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Avengers Forever (Comic Book)
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Avengers Forever is a twelve-issue comic book limited series of The Avengers published from December 1998 to November 1999 by Marvel Comics. The series was written by Kurt Busiek and Roger Stern and drawn by Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino. It has a massively complex plot, with a battle between Kang the Conqueror (a Conqueror from the Future) and Immortus (a Guardian of the Multiverse); actually, Immortus is the future self of Kang.Let's try to make it short. Rick Jones suffers a strange paralysis, and the Avengers send him to the Supreme Intelligence of the Kree (who's held "captive" at the Blue Area of the Moon), to see if he could heal him. Immortus tries to kill Rick Jones, but Kang intervenes on his behalf. Rick Jones, with the help of Libra, uses the "Destiny Force" once more, an all-powerful force he once wielded during The Kree/Skrull War, summons several Avengers from many points of time: Henry Pym and The Wasp (from the present), Yellowjacket (Henry Pym when he had a mental disorder; yes, he summoned the same man from 2 time periods), Captain America (right after the Secret Empire storyline, demoralized by it and on the verge of giving up the superhero thing), Hawkeye (right after the Kree-Skrull War) & Songbird and Captain Marvel (Genis-Vell) (from two separate future times). The fight moves to Chronopolis, Kang's stronghold: Immortus destroyed it and turned it into the "Forever Crystal", which allows him to change timelines or destroy them at will.The Avengers use Kang's time machine to escape into the timestream, where Immortus would not locate Rick. Not knowing what Immortus is up to, or why he wants to kill Jones, the Avengers explore 3 points of time, to no avail. Then, they visit Limbo, Immortus' stronghold, and take a Space Phantom captive. They then learn Immortus' motives: with the "Destiny Force", humanity would become a ruthless intergalactic empire. Immortus spent years manipulating human development to keep humanity confined to planet Earth, to keep the Time Keepers from destroying it, but Rick Jones' death was non-negotiable. Immortus then captures the Avengers and sends them to a trial.The Time Keepers decide that humanity is a menace and that they should destroy most of the timelines, leaving the bare minimum needed to guarantee their own existence. Reinforced by Kang, Rick, and the Supreme Intelligence, the Avengers follow the Time Keepers to the end of time, where they are finally destroyed.For the 2021 series, see here. | |
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Psychological Torment Zone | |
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Psychological Torment Zone: Limbo is designed to mess with the psyches of anyone who enters. Then it turns them into Space Phantoms. | |
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Continuity Porn | |
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Continuity Porn: Kurt Busiek lets loose with his full knowledge of Avengers lore. The final battle in issues #11-12 features a clash between two armies of Avengers from across the Multiverse, with the appendix listing where they all come from in exhaustive detail. Characters from various sources like What If?, A-Next, Earth X, Spider-Man 2099 and even the The Avengers: United They Stand cartoon all make appearances. | |
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Order Versus Chaos | |
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Order Versus Chaos: Immortus is firmly on the side of preserving universal stability and order, while Kang wants to preserve his freedom at the cost of bringing down the multiversal timeline like a house of cards. | |
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The Cameo: A ton of them, but one of the most notable instances would be the presence of Marvel U.K. characters Motormouth and Killpower during the final battle. | |
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The McCoy: Hawkeye. | |
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The Spock: Libra. | |
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Deal with the Devil | |
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Deal with the Devil: One is made between Yellowjacket and Immortus. It's even described as such by both parties. | |
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Aborted Arc | |
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Aborted Arc: Both Songbird and Genis-Vell are from the near future, where they are (unlike in the present day) members of the Avengers. Since Kurt Busiek was writing the main Avengers book at the time, it seemed that he would eventually introduce Songbird and Genis into the Avengers roster there, with the present day catching up with their future. But this never happened, and none of the later Avengers writers have chosen to follow up on Busiek's foreshadowing either. (In 2015, 616-Songbird finally became a member of the New Avengers, but even though the writer of that book Al Ewing is very big on Continuity Porn, Songbird eventually left the team without Ewing having made any references to this story.) Genis is even harder to reconcile with Busiek's depiction here, as the following years saw him lose his connection to Rick Jones, change his superhero name to Photon (with the Captain Marvel title later passing to Carol Danvers, who has used it since 2012) and ultimately get Killed Off for Real during a Thunderbolts storyline, all without ever officially becoming an Avenger. | |
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Time Stands Still | |
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Time Stands Still: Seen in the bad future that begins the story, and before Immortus tried to kill Rick Jones. | |
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Noodle Incident | |
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Noodle Incident: Genis comes from after a time when he'd prevented Ego from using Eon's corpse for a nefarious scheme. Exactly how does future Rick Jones end up losing an arm and wearing an outfit that includes Ghost Rider's jacket, Falcon's boots, Superman's cape, and Batman's utility belt? The world may never know. | |
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Bittersweet Ending | |
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Bittersweet Ending: The Avengers are ultimately victorious and the Time-Keepers are defeated. However, they're each sent back to their respective timelines with no memory of the incident, and in some cases, where they end up is quite dark. Captain America gets it especially bad, as not only is he still traumatized by having just witnessed Number One's suicide, but now he also has the lingering subconscious anguish of realizing he could have used the Forever Crystal to prevent it. In Black Panther's future, the vast majority of the human race has been wiped out, and Wakanda lies in ruins. However, the Martians have successfully been driven off the planet, Jocasta has safely given birth to her baby, and now the survivors can begin rebuilding their society. | |
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Dropped a Bridge on Him | |
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Dropped a Bridge on Him: Ravonna, and indeed all the inhabitants of Chronopolis, are killed offscreen and then crushed down into the Forever Crystal by Immortus. All but one of the Anarchronauts, Kang's Quirky Miniboss Squad are also killed. | |
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Worthy Opponent | |
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Worthy Opponent: Kang treats the Avengers as such. | |
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Someone to Remember Him By | |
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Someone to Remember Him By: Machine Man was killed during the war with the Martian invaders, but Jocasta carries his child. Giant-Man is fascinated by the idea that two machines could produce an offspring in this manner. | |
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Humans Are the Real Monsters | |
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Humans Are the Real Monsters: The motivation of the Time Keepers. Nothing stops the march of the First Terran Empire, as no race in the universe proves to be a match for the human drive or the power of the Destiny Force. | |
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Fish out of Temporal Water | |
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Fish out of Temporal Water: Hawkeye's from the Avengers' 70s exploits, so he's a little befuddled by some things, as opposed to a more modern Hawkeye, who'd take things in stride. | |
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Development Gag | |
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Development Gag: The final issue features alternate universe versions of Wasp, Iron Cross, Thor, and Hercules who sport their designs from Avengers: World in Chains, the rejected Avengers project Kurt Busiek and Carlos Pacheo had pitched before Avengers Forever. | |
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Disproportionate Retribution | |
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Disproportionate Retribution: The prologue gives a good indication of how awful the human empire is when they wipe out 34% of the Alpha Centurian race just because twelve of them are with the resistance. | |
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Broad Strokes | |
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Broad Strokes: Despite all the Continuity Porn on display, there are a few tidbits that can't be spelled out directly. A panel showing Doctor Octopus escaping prison with Lex Luthor in tow from Superman vs. the Amazing Spider-Man is mentioned in the annotations as being Doc Ock and a "striking-looking bald man." | |
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Hero of Another Story | |
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Hero of Another Story: The various characters the Avengers encounter while traveling through the timeline. Of note, Captain America and Giant-Man arrive in Black Panther's future at the tail end of a bloody, years long conflict with Martian invaders. Songbird also notes that she, Yellowjacket and Hawkeye have arrived in Tombstone just in time for a wholly unrelated battle between Kang and some of Marvel's old cowboy heroes like the Rawhide Kid and Kid Colt. | |
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Enemy Mine | |
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Enemy Mine: The Avengers fight alongside Kang, Libra and the Supreme Intelligence. | |
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Heel–Face Turn | |
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Heel–Face Turn: The future version of Songbird has fully completed her reformation and become an official member of the Avengers. Giant-Man, who only knows her as a member of the Thunderbolts and the Masters of Evil during his time, initially doesn't trust her. Former Zodiac member Libra assists the heroes, claiming that he lost interest in crime as time went on and became more interested in studying the concept of balance. Iron Man's old nemesis Crimson Dynamo (or at least someone wearing his armor) is part of Black Panther's future Avengers team. The group also includes Thundra, who, while not strictly a villain, has battled various Marvel heroes and usually cares more about her own personal agenda than the greater good. | |
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We Have Reserves | |
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We Have Reserves: Immortus does not go to war himself, he simply uses his time manipulation to summon soldiers from all ages (from antique Babylon to futuristic soldiers and everything in-between). All 100% loyal to him, and it does not matter how many Kang kills, because Immortus can summon hundreds, thousands, millions, billions, just by wishing so. | |
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Sequel Hook | |
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Sequel Hook: Several. While talking about the threat humanity poses, the Time Keepers mention "the mechanations of the Infinites." They appear in the Avengers: Infinity miniseries. After the heroes win, Kang regains his zest for life and conquest and leaves to rebuild his empire. This will be followed up in The Kang Dynasty. After everyone else leaves, the Supreme Intelligence summons the Forever Crystal. This was followed up on in the Maximum Security event. | |
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Meaningful Echo | |
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Meaningful Echo: Captain Marvel has two big secrets that he's isn't telling: That he was bound to an older Rick Jones, and that he loves Songbird; but this one was from before that. In both cases, he delivers some lines here and there that hint at these things. | |
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Historical Domain Crossover: During the final battle, the Time Keepers summon all evil and destructive Avengers from the past, present and future. Rick Jones reinforces the goods guys by using the Destiny Force to summon every other Avenger from all the myriad timelines. | |
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Love Transcends Spacetime: Songbird and Captain Marvel | |
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Animal Eyes | |
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Animal Eyes: The older Black Panther that Cap and Giant-Man encounter in one of the Bad Futures has eyes like an actual jungle cat. | |
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He's Back! | |
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After the heroes win, Kang regains his zest for life and conquest and leaves to rebuild his empire. This will be followed up in The Kang Dynasty. | |
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Chronoscope | |
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Chronoscope: There are several here and there. The sensors of the time machine, Immortus' machines in Limbo, the visions that appear when entering Limbo, images summoned by the Time-Keepers, and so on. | |
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The Chosen One | |
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The Chosen One: Rick Jones. | |
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Reed Richards Is Useless | |
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Reed Richards Is Useless: Deconstructed. Someone might wonder, with all the fancy technology available in the Marvel universe, which includes ships capable of going to other galaxies, why does Earth still has the overall technological level of the real world? Answer: Because Immortus, Guardian of the Multiverse, is arranging things to stay that way until mankind's technology does not outstrip its moral judgments. | |
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Lawyer-Friendly Cameo | |
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Lawyer-Friendly Cameo: In a single panel, there's the presence of Thorion, from the Amalgam Universe, which is an amalgamation of Thor with Orion. He's shown only partially and not named, as Marvel shares ownership over him by DC Comics, as with all the other characters from the Amalgam Universe. A pic can be seen in Thorion's page at Comicvine. | |
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Ret-Gone | |
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Ret-Gone: The timeline visited by the Wasp and Captain Marvel is erased by Immortus. | |
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Heel Realization | |
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Heel Realization: When Yellowjacket realizes the ultimate plan of the Time-Keepers, he declines his deal with Immortus and silently calls in the cavalry. | |
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Not So Above It All | |
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Not So Above It All: The Time-Keepers are not gods. They are beings, just Sufficiently Advanced Aliens with great technology, but just technology, which may be countered by other technology. Also for Kang. In his place of greatest strength, backed by all his armies, he fights against his most hated enemy, for the highest stakes he could conceive...and loses. | |
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Death by Irony | |
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Death by Irony: Averted. The Time-Keepers try to give one to Kang: as they can't kill him without creating a temporal paradox (he has to live on to become their servant Immortus, whom they had just killed), they seek to punish him and neutralize him as a threat by speeding up his transformation and turn him into Immortus right there. But they can't, Kang's will is just too strong and he remains Kang. Also for the Time-Keepers themselves. They're defeated by the indomitable human drive, the very thing they tried to destroy. | |
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What Measure Is a Non-Human? | |
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What Measure Is a Non-Human?: Black Panther spares Mourning Prey's children and allows them to continue living in the vibranium mine despite them being a bunch of bug-like monsters. The fact that Jocasta and her baby might die during childbirth is also treated with seriousness despite the two of them being machines. | |
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Continuity Nod | |
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Continuity Nod: Plenty. Not for nothing the collected edition comes with an appendix, because it needs it. Rick Jones starts the series paralyzed due to having been injured in Peter David's The Incredible Hulk run. The Supreme Intelligence is also now imprisoned by S.H.I.E.L.D. on the Blue Area of the Moon as a result of the then-recent Live Kree or Die crossover. While time-traveling, the team witness the Avengers' first run in with Immortus, which none of them remember because the events of it gave them Laser-Guided Amnesia. One of the glimpses the team gets of Immortus' machinations is him having some part to play in Major Victory meeting Vance Astrovik and diverging their timelines. Kang's flashbacks in issue #9 cover all the major events he's been through, including his run-in with Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four annual #2. Rama-Tut's weird behavior there is acknowledged as him playing to Doom's ego. His involvement in the events of Infinity War are explained as being sheer boredom. As an explanation of what he did while bored, Kang flashes back to the battle between Tempus and Alioth, seen at the end of The Terminatrix Objective. Kang broke their stalemate, setting Alioth on the TVA. It's also implied he killed Revelation, Ravonna's future counterpart from that series. In Limbo, Jan hears several soundbites from her and Hank's long and fraught history. Hawkeye sees statues of his past and future outfits. Songbird is tormented by the ghosts of friends and loved ones, including her crappy parents and her dead partner, Angar the Screamer. | |
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Imposter Forgot One Detail | |
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Imposter Forgot One Detail: In the Old West, Hawkeye, Yellowjacket and Songbird meet with the Black Rider, Reno Jones, and Kid Cassidy, who talk on learning of their adventure from telegrams from the Two-Gun Kid, who'd they met earlier. They agree to pool resources, Hawkeye smiling as he shakes Cassidy's hand, noting how "I never thought I'd be meeting the real Kid Cassidy...especially considering by 1873, he was dead!" The Avengers swiftly subdue the "cowboys" who turn out to be the Space Phantoms. | |
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Did You Actually Believe...? | |
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Did You Actually Believe...?: Much of the Space Phantom's reaction in #8 to how he and his kind can't believe the Avengers actually bought so many of the wild stories and plans Immortus pulled off. Averted when Hank Pym hears it was Immortus, not Kang, in The Crossing and muses "that means Immortus caused my breakdowns." | |
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Deliberate Values Dissonance | |
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Deliberate Values Dissonance: On full display with the '50s Avengers, who are more concerned with the threat of commies and pinkos than, oh, alien infiltration (or worse, alien commie pinkos). | |
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No-Sell | |
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No-Sell: Marvel Boy tries blasting Genis with a beam of light, but for someone who's used to more cosmic matters, and knows the Quantum Bands better than he does, it doesn't do squat. | |
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Nice Job Fixing It, Villain | |
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Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: Immortus had to make the Avengers return to Earth immediately after "Operation: Galactic Storm", so he influenced the Avengers with xenophobia, so that they refused to stay among alien races. He miscalculated: this xenophobia led them to execute the Supreme Intelligence for destroying its own empire (long story). And worse: this would begin actions that laid the first steps of the Avengers Stellar Corps, the antecedent of the First Terran Empire...the very timeline that Immortus was instructed to prevent! | |
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I Warned You | |
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I Warned You: At the beginning of hyper-complex Continuity Porn that is issue #8: | |
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Face–Heel Turn | |
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Face–Heel Turn: Yellowjacket. | |
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What You Are in the Dark | |
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What You Are in the Dark: After a prolonged war with the Martians that has wiped out damn near all of mankind and outright all of Wakanda, Black Panther wants to go after the Martians and kill them all. But the vibranium supplies are needed to keep Mourning Prey alive, so he acquiesces. | |
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Selective Obliviousness | |
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Selective Obliviousness: Don't tell Yellowjacket that it's pointless for him to hate Henry Pym, that he is Henry Pym: he will deny any relation whatsoever with him. Back in The Celestial Madonna Saga, Kang denied that Immortus was his future self. Not anymore. He accepts as a fact of life that Immortus is him; but he still hates him more than anything else, and refuses to let himself become him. | |
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Retcon | |
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Retcon: A lot of this story is basically damage control for The Crossing, revealing that it was Immortus and not Kang who was the main villain, that Iron Man was only under Immortus's control since the events of Operation: Galactic Storm (and that Iron Man leading half of the Avengers to kill the Kree Supreme Intelligence was an attempt to keep the Avengers out of intergalactic affairs that backfired) and not since the Avengers first fought Kang; the "Mantis" who worked with "Kang", Moonraker (who claimed to be Mantis's father, Libra) and many other of his minions were Space Phantoms; and that Kang didn't cause Hank Pym's breakdowns. Also retcons the idea that the Space Phantoms were aliens from a planet called Phantus. They're really anyone who gets stranded in Limbo long enough for their identity to erode away, turning them into identityless shapeshifters.note This has since been ret-retconned, and now the Space Phantoms are actually the Dire Wraiths that Rom Spaceknight exiled to Limbo. Rom's "Limbo" had previously been said to be a totally separate dimension that shared a name with Immortus's realm, but now they're officially one and the same. Well, Depending on the Writer, anyway. | |
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Take That! | |
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Take That!: One of the evil alternate universe Avengers who shows up to fight Kang in issue #12 is the maligned Heroes Reborn version of Captain America. | |
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Internal Homage | |
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Internal Homage: Captain Marvel saves Rick Jones' life, fusing himself with him, in the same manner than the original Captain Marvel did at The Kree/Skrull War. | |
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Future Me Scares Me | |
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Future Me Scares Me: Taken up to eleven with Immortus and Kang, respectively. Here, "Future me is the single being I hate the most in all the multiverse." It also counts, in a lower degree, for Yellowjacket towards Giant-Man. It gets so bad he makes a deal with Immortus that would allow him to stay as Yellowjacket. | |
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Cool Ship | |
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Cool Ship: The Avengers commandeering Kang's Time Machine (which takes the form of a Sphinx) as their temporary headquarters. | |
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Lost Aesop | |
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Lost Aesop: Everything was set in motion because, in the future, humanity may become The Empire. As things go on, the Time Keepers become the villains of the story, then they die and everything is right again. But...what about those bad futures? What's preventing them from coming to pass? A mere lecture from Captain America and that's it? At least they could have used the Forever Crystal to erase the "Destiny Force" from the human race. Potentially justified as meddling with the timestream in that manner is exactly what the Avengers had just condemned the Time-Keepers for in the first place, and the odds are still in favor of the bad futures not coming to pass. | |
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Let's You and Him Fight | |
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Let's You and Him Fight: That old superhero stable comes up with Wasp and Genis meeting the Avengers of the 1950s. 3-D Man overheard Wasp saying that Nixon has to get to China, and comes to the conclusion the two are filthy Commie spies, and refuses to let Wasp explain what's going on. A belligerent Genis starts a fight. It's not until Marvel Boy uses his telepathy to read her mind that he learns what's up. | |
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But You Were There, and You, and You | |
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But You Were There, and You, and You: When Songbird returns to the future, with a vague memory of the Destiny War. She meets with the Wasp and Jack of Hearts, and tells the Wasp that "you were there". | |
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Enemy Without | |
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Enemy Without: Yellowjacket for Giant Man. He's the same man, Henry Pym, but lives in denial. | |
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Shout-Out | |
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Shout-Out: On arrival in the Bad Future, a street sign can be glimpses saying "Wells Street". As in H.G. Wells, who wrote War of the Worlds. 3-D Man quips that unlike a certain other superhero popular in the '50s, he can't duck into a phone booth to change identities. | |
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Legacy Character | |
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Iron Man's old nemesis Crimson Dynamo (or at least someone wearing his armor) is part of Black Panther's future Avengers team. The group also includes Thundra, who, while not strictly a villain, has battled various Marvel heroes and usually cares more about her own personal agenda than the greater good. | |
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Evil Knockoff | |
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Evil Knockoff: The main army of the evil empire in the future is comprised of evil Avengers knock-offs, with Captain Americas, Iron Men, Thors (whose hammers, mercifully, pack less punch than Mjolnir), Ant-Men and Visions. | |
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Hitler's Time Travel Exemption Act | |
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Hitler's Time Travel Exemption Act: With the Forever Crystal, Captain America could have changed history. And not simply creating an alternate timeline, the Crystal allows him to actually change history. He could have erased Nazi Germany from history and prevented World War II (as well as resurrecting Rick Jones, Bucky and erasing the Secret Empire from U.S. history), he's tempted by the idea, but realizes that Reality Warping Is Not a Toy. | |
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Screw Destiny | |
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Screw Destiny: All this was because the indomitable warrior Kang, as a time traveler, knows that he will eventually become Immortus, a scholar who relies on manipulation and schemes. He hates the idea, fights against the universe to prevent himself from becoming Immortus...and wins. | |
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There Are No Coincidences | |
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There Are No Coincidences: Captain America and the future T'Challa note how convenient it is that they're faced with a choice that requires them make a choice between vengeance or helping others. It's part of Immortus' plan. | |
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In Spite of a Nail | |
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In Spite of a Nail: The Time-Keepers wanted to prevent the existence of the sons of the Scarlet Witch, but Immortus tried to do so without killing anyone. He arranged things that prompted her romance and marriage with The Vision, as he reasoned that she could not have any children if she was married to a machine. But "Immortus is not infallible, and destiny requires careful handling: it does not like to be thwarted". Using magic, the Scarlet Witch had sons anyway, so Immortus had to help Mephisto to vanish them from existence. | |
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Hypocrite | |
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Hypocrite: The Time-Keepers are out to prevent humankind becoming an oppressive empire, because they've seen all those bad futures where it happens. All well and good, until the Avengers ask how many universe it happens in. Turns out that it's not even 42% of all realities. Meanwhile, there's all those realities where the eggs that become the Time-Keepers become the Time-Corrupters. As the Avengers point out, by that logic, the Keepers should be after themselves. | |
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Race Lift | |
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Race Lift: The Old Skull of Killraven was unmistakably a white guy. The version Cap's team encounters in their time travel jaunt is a black man. | |
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Arc Welding | |
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Arc Welding: From over thirty years of Kang and Immortus appearances, tied together to make a (mostly) coherent (if headache inducing) sense, including stuff from Silver Surfer, Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, West Coast Avengers, The Celestial Madonna Saga, Operation: Galactic Storm, and The Crossing. | |
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Pregnant Badass | |
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Pregnant Badass: Jocasta is one of the few surviving Avengers in Black Panther's future, and is pregnant to boot. | |
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Bad Future | |
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On arrival in the Bad Future, a street sign can be glimpses saying "Wells Street". As in H.G. Wells, who wrote War of the Worlds. | |
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Throwing Off the Disability | |
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Throwing Off the Disability: Rick Jones begins the story paralyzed due to injuries he sustained in an encounter with the Hulk. He manages to heal himself with the Destiny Force. | |
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Mama Bear | |
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Mama Bear: Mourning Prey, the insect creature that the future Avengers encounter in the remains of Wakanda's vibranium mines. She initially appears to be hostile, but turns out to only be protecting her babies. | |
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Ridiculously Human Robots | |
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Ridiculously Human Robots: The Jocasta Cap and Giant-Man meet in the bad future has managed to become pregnant by her reality's Machine Man. | |
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Composite Character | |
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Composite Character: The appendix notes that while Mourning Prey's insect children were already existing characters prior to this series, their depiction in issue #6 more closely resembles Jakarra, a Wakandan who was mutated by exposure to vibranium in Jack Kirby's Black Panther run. | |
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Army of The Ages | |
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Army of The Ages: Kang's and Immortus' armies. | |
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The Kirk | |
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The Kirk: The Wasp. | |
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Laser-Guided Amnesia | |
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While time-traveling, the team witness the Avengers' first run in with Immortus, which none of them remember because the events of it gave them Laser-Guided Amnesia. | |
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Freudian Trio | |
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Freudian Trio: The McCoy: Hawkeye. The Kirk: The Wasp. The Spock: Libra. | |
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Who Wants to Live Forever? | |
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Who Wants to Live Forever?: Tempus keeps whining about this. | |
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Jerkass | |
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Jerkass: Yellowjacket is Hank Pym in the middle of a serious mental breakdown, spending a lot of his time being a bad-tempered chauvinistic ass. | |
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Spotting the Thread | |
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Spotting the Thread: Hawkeye, Yellowjacket and Songbird have a run in with some Western heroes, and have a nice campfire with them. Then Hawkeye quite suddenly punches one of them, because thanks to his in-depth knowledge of the era, he knows they're dead by that point. It's actually a bunch of Space Phantoms. Before that, all three Avengers had realized there was no way someone in 1873 could afford to put so much information on Kang in telegrams. Shortly thereafter, Yellowjacket notes Songbird suddenly knows an awful lot of specific detail about how Kang's base works, and cold-cocks her. Because she's actually a Space Phantom. | |
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Beethoven Was an Alien Spy | |
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Beethoven Was an Alien Spy: In this case, Richard Nixon has been replaced by a Skrull. He had already been discovered, and the men in black were going to deal with him; but Immortus simply erases the whole timeline as a result. He couldn't risk humanity arming against enemies from the stars. | |
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Expendable Alternate Universe | |
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Expendable Alternate Universe: Averted. The casual destruction of alternate timelines is not just an undesirable thing, it's the very thing that the Avengers are fighting to prevent. Wasp is horrified when she witnesses the destruction of timeline the '50s Avengers come from. | |
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Sufficiently Advanced Alien | |
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The Time-Keepers are not gods. They are beings, just Sufficiently Advanced Aliens with great technology, but just technology, which may be countered by other technology. | |
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Downer Beginning | |
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It begins with one. Earth and humanity become The Empire of the Universe, and the Avengers are the Praetorian Guard as humanity carves a campaign of subjugation across the cosmos. | |
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The Remnant | |
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The Remnant: In the Bad Future, humanity has been reduced to a mere fifty thousand people, thanks to the Martians. | |
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Well-Intentioned Extremist | |
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Well-Intentioned Extremist: The Time-Keepers have very legitimate concerns about humanity becoming The Empire. Their solution? Exterminate countless timelines. A mass-murder that would leave Galactus or even the Anti-Monitor as mere amateurs. | |
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