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Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_1'); })Ensemble Dark Horse the character.Created by the late Steve Gerber for Marvel Comics, the Foolkiller is clearly an offbeat character in the same vein as Howard the Duck. The only difference is, he's played totally straight. The name is inspired partially by the O. Henry story of the same name and the novel by Helen Eustis, the latter of which was made into a movie starring, appropriately enough, Anthony Perkins. There is also a minor character of this name in L. Frank Baum's "The Enchanted Island of Yew".The original Foolkiller was introduced in Man-Thing #3 (March, 1974) and killed in the following issue. Several individuals have adopted the mantle of the Foolkiller, such as Ross G. Everbest, Greg Salinger, Kurt Gerhardt, and Mike Trace. Trace's incarnation appears in the Marvel MAX universe. Each incarnation modified the definition of "fool" to fit his mission. Everbest, being a devout Christian, sought out those whom he considered sinners. Salinger, on the other hand, hunted those who he deemed lacked a poetic soul. Gerhardt's razor-sharp definition of fool caused him to target those whom he judged to be guilty of pursuing "momentary gratification" at the expense of others.Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_2'); })The second Foolkiller, Greg Salinger, unexpectedly reappeared in 2016's Marvel NOW! relaunch as a member of Deadpool's "Mercs for Money": a sort of satellite organization of mercenaries and freelancers who ostensibly worked under Deadpool's command. Due to the unexpected popularity of the Mercs for Money spinoff book, Salinger received a solo book in late 2016, by Max Bemis and Dalabor Talajic. It follows Salinger as he attempts to retire his costumed persona in favor of a life as a successful psychologist, but naturally, it doesn't quite take.A version of Salinger appears as the primary antagonist of the third and final season of Netflix's Jessica Jones, portrayed there by Jeremy Bobb. In the series, Sallinger is a disgruntled, psychotic serial killer who wants Jessica (and all other super-powered people) dead.Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_3'); })
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No Celebrities Were Harmed
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No Celebrities Were Harmed: Mal Flapton is Reverend Al Sharpton. Darren Waite is a thinly disguised Donald Trump. Runyan Moody is Morton Downey Jr, right down to a thinly disgused version of the Loudmouth logo. This creates a dilemma as the Marvel Universe is supposedly a mirror of the real one. Therefore, Sharpton, Trump, and Downey allegedly do exist in the Marvel Universe as some of them have been referred in dialogue or briefly visually depicted, which is protected under satirical rights.
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Goggles Do Nothing
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Goggles Do Nothing: Greg's second Foolkiller costume is equipped with an ever-present and seldom-used pair of goggles. The glasses he wears as a psychologist are also phony though they're meant to prop up his image as a respectable mental health care specialist.
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Heroic BSoD
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Heroic BSoD: An aging barfly who befriends a depressed Gerhardt unkowingly shows him something that blows his mind and helps solidify his definition of fools. Mavis points him to a sign that she says renews her faith in her own intelligence. Gerhardt stares at it for a very long time oblivious to everything around him. The sign in question is a mechanic's advertisement where they mispell the word alignment (as in auto alignment) as alinement. Mavis' point being that "A fool is someone who would trust his car to someone who can't spell what he does for a living''
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Comic-Book Time
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Comic-Book Time: Curiously averted, partially. In the 1990-91 limited series, The Runyan Moody Show dates the activities of the First Foolkiller as far back as the early seventies. Salinger, in explaining his inspiration for taking on the mantle, refers to elements of the same decade that he found annoying. He refers to the shallow banality of the music ("Disco back then") and the testimonies at the Watergate hearings. The 1990-91 limited series is clearly set during the year of publication. The aversion, however, is not without faults. Spider-Man is not 10-15 years older like Salinger obviously is. In the 2016 series, Greg acknowledges that he missed most of The '90s, not because he was too young to remember, but because he was locked up for the decade. This evidently places his original Foolkiller years at least twenty years ago in his time.
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Calling Card
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Calling Card: All the Foolkillers have their own calling card which they either send to intended victims or leave at the scene of the killing.
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Chekhov's Gun
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Chekhov's Gun: The flask of sulfuric acid seen in Merle's apartment. It was part of some backstory between her and Salinger. She would use it to help Gerhardt later.
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Mythology Gag
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Mythology Gag: The Marvel Max series has a prison called the Gerhardt Detention Facility and a bookstore named Salinger's. The alias that Gerhardt goes by as seen at the very end of the series is Gregory Ross Curtis, a pastiche of all the three Foolkiller's first names. The picture seen on his driver's license looks like the face of Richard Rory. In the 2016 Marvel NOW series, Salinger recalls that there was a comic book roughly based on the Foolkiller. The panel with this narration shows a picture of the Marvel MAX incarnation of the character. This isn't uncommon as it has been established that Marvel Comics actually exist in the Marvel Universe and that they do publish fictionalized adventures of characters who exist in their version of real life.
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It's What I Do
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It's What I Do
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It's Not You, It's Me
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It's Not You, It's Me: This is exactly how Kurt breaks off his relationship with Linda.
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Bland-Name Product
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Bland-Name Product: Burger Clown! A seeming pastiche of two real life major fast food chains.
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Hollywood Hacking
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Hollywood Hacking: How else is Salinger able to get the modem on a computer in a mental institution connected to a computer bulletin board (the 1990 version of the internet) so that he may secretly communicate with Gerhardt? Salinger was given access to the computer with the assumpton that he was writing a book. The 1991 Marvel Year in Review lampshades this somewhat when Salinger states "My shrink still lives in the Freudian age of paper and pencil. He didn't even think to check it out.". Although this is years before internet tracking, it is before cable modem, it should have at least shown up on the institution's phone bill if anywere, especially as they log and monitor all phone activity in and out of the facility.
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Insanity Defense
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Insanity Defense: This is why Salinger is in a mental hospital in Indiana and not a prison or death row. Also, the only fool that he is publicly known to have successfully killed was an annoying second string supervillian named Blockbuster. His other publicly known actions were all failures to kill his intended targets.
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Beard of Sorrow
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Beard of Sorrow: Greg Salinger in the 1990-91 Foolkiller limited series. Now he really does look like a poet.
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Sword Cane
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Sword Cane: As discussed, this is just about the only weapon Mike Trace uses.
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Mad Artist
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Mad Artist: Mike Trace is one of the only heroic examples you'll find, elaborately staging the bodies of his victims to make a grand artistic statement relevant to their misdeeds. Since the subjects range from child molesters to white supremacists, it's hard to say he's going too far.
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Rule of Cool
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Rule of Cool: The Foolkiller's mission could easily be carried out with any old gun. But then again, he'd just be a clone of The Punisher.
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Hell-Bent for Leather
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Hell-Bent for Leather: Gerhart trades the Zorro-style costume of his predecessors for this. In the 1991 Marvel Year in Review, Salinger, during an interview, explains "He kept the gun but made himself a more fearsome costume. I guess he's not as flamboyant as my predecessor or me." There is a certain irony to his statement since Gerhardt's costume would not be out of place in a BDSM scenario.
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Confess to a Lesser Crime
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Confess to a Lesser Crime: In the 2016 series, Greg goes after his patients who instead of addressing their very serious malefic actions (such as, but not limited to, rape, assault, and murder), opt to talk about their more banal compulsions such as OCD, Chronic Bedwetting, and being a Furry.
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NameDrop
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Name Drop: Gerber mentions Reagan, Bush, and Willie Horton, all on the same page in issue 2. But he had a good reason.
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Early-Installment Weirdness
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Early Installment Weirdness: Salinger's first appearance in Omega The Unknown #9. His costume consisted of a cowboy style hat with no red sash, a simple domino mask, and a cape. This variation of the costume never appeared again.
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Motive Decay
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Motive Decay: Kurt and Greg both came to suffer from this, going from vigilantes to hired guns in their own ways although after leaving the Mercs for Money, Greg's appetite for slaughtering fools is coming back.
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The Dragon
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The Dragon: Drug lord Backhand to Emilio Mendoza who in turn is this to Darren Waite. Interestingly, Backhand survives the story, Waite and Mendoza don't.
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A Pupil of Mine Until He Turned to Evil
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A Pupil of Mine Until He Turned to Evil: After he was released from the mental institute, Greg game to regret helping Kurt become the third Foolkiller due to his more extreme (and deranged) brand of crimefighting.
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RecycledINSPACE
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Recycled INSPACE!: A member of the Order of the Foolkillers appears in an issue of X-Men 2099.
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Psycho Psychologist
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Psycho Psychologist: Greg is an interesting offshoot of one of these. If you're willing to change your ways and become a better person, you get an understanding and sincere psychologist. If you decide to stay a bad guy, well, you get the psycho.
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Iconic Outfit
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Iconic Outfit: Foolkiller's Zorro-esque classic outfit.
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Unlikely Spare
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Unlikely Spare: Foolkiller was defeated by the Defenders and Spider-Man. In both cases, it would be logical to assume that his purification gun was confiscated at the time. None of the Foolkillers appeared to have the technical know how to build their own purification guns, so it is reasonable to assume that it is the same gun that is passed on to each successor. The apparent uniqueness of the gun (as well as the deliberate lack of explanation of the exact origin and nature of the gun) seems to support this. Therefore Everbest (the original Foolkiler) must have had a lot of spare guns to begin with. In The Marvel Universe, there's plenty of sources for items like this gun; some villains even make weapons to order for others. The Foolkiller was a suspect of the Scourge of Crime supervillain killings (in the Captain America series.) But he wasn't involved. The Scourge turned out to be a whole group of self-righteous vigilantes, organized by an old WWII hero, The Angel. Maybe there's a similar setup for the Foolkillers.
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Serial Killer
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Serial Killer
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Exactly What It Says on the Tin
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Exactly What It Says on the Tin: He kills fools.
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Villain Protagonist
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Villain Protagonist: In the '90s mini-series.
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Mutually Fictional
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Mutually Fictional: The MAX and mainstream Marvel characters seem to be. Mike Trace shoplifted some comics featuring the Everbest Foolkiller, and the 2016 series starring Greg Salinger made mention of the MAX series as a comic book.
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Heel Realization
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Heel Realization: During his battle with Spider-Man, Greg Salinger, the second Foolkiller, runs into a bum that tells him that only a fool would want to fight Spider-Man, as Spidey is a genuinely good person who puts himself into danger to protect innocents. As soon as he realizes this, Salinger tries to turn his purification gun on himself, but Spidey stops him.
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On the Next
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On the Next: So what exactly was "Greg's Secret Sorrow"? That's what was promised in the blurb at the end of issue 9 of Omega the Unknown (Salinger's first appearance). But we were left hanging due to the unexpected cancellation of the series with issue 10. That issue, instead was dedicated to trying to tie up all the loose ends with the title character Omega. Actually, they didn't manage to do even that.
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My Nayme Is
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My Nayme Is: Unlike other noted uses of the name (Eustis, O. Henry, Baum), Foolkiller is one word instead of two.
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Ray Gun
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Ray Gun: Foolkiller's purification gun.
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DoubleStandard
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Double Standard: A certain way to get a death sentence in this series: And one issue later: And five issues later, the coup de grâce: Regarding a sexism issue at Empire State University:
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Logical Fallacies
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Logical Fallacies: You don't want to resort to these when trying to debate the Foolkiller, especially not in the 1990s limited series. As demonstrated by the following: This, by the way, is an example of a "tu-quoque" fallacy, a variant on the ad-hominem.
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Berserk Button: FOOLS!
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Accidental Hero: In the '90s mini-series, Kurt is seen as a hero by the public when he starts killing off criminals and other unsavory individuals in New York. Things however change when he goes after corrupt authority figures that hold an image of being benevolent, and the public begins to hate him and demand his capture.
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Non-Human Sidekick: Mike Trace's dog, a Rottweiler mutt named Jester. He's well-behaved but attacks on command.
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Show Within a Show
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In the 2016 Marvel NOW series, Salinger recalls that there was a comic book roughly based on the Foolkiller. The panel with this narration shows a picture of the Marvel MAX incarnation of the character. This isn't uncommon as it has been established that Marvel Comics actually exist in the Marvel Universe and that they do publish fictionalized adventures of characters who exist in their version of real life.
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Present Day: Clearly dates the story as it gives the year of the mugging/killing of Gerhart's dad (1989 as seen on the tombstone) and takes place during Operation Desert Storm.
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Shout-Out: In the Marvel NOW series, while musing on the history of his alter ego, Greg mentions the O. Henry short story, the Helen Eustis novel, and the Anthony Perkins film all as inspiration for his predecessor, Everbest's adoption of the Foolkiller identity.
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Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better
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Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better: Greg and Kurt have both appeared to have given up the purification raygun and adopted conventional firearms and weapons, probably because the purification gun(s) were confiscated or destroyed and they don't know how to build their own or where to get more.
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Out Gambit: Richard Rory agreed to take his friend Salinger to meet the Defenders (friends of Rory). Salinger expressed interest in joining them. Rory anticipated that the Defenders would realize that Salinger was a danger and find a way to non-violently put him out of action. Salinger, however, actually secretly planned to kill the Defenders as he deemed them fools for letting supervillain Lunatik escape.
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Suspension of Disbelief: The exact nature of the purification gun is never explained. As mentioned above, this appears to be deliberate on the part of Steve Gerber. It also never seems to run out of power, hence the noticable absence of power cells or energy packs. The Marvel Max series dispenses with the Zorro-like costume and the purification gun. Instead, his favorite weapon is a sword cane (which you could purchase in the real world). However, whether or not real sword canes can cleanly decapitate arms or legs is rather subject to its own criticism. We are also meant to accept that 90 pound weakling assassin Sickle Moon can also do the same with his impractical looking glaive. It should be noted that the continuity of the MAX series with the mainstream Marvel universe isn't 100% official. Some of its stories seem to be apocryphal, similar to Ultimate Marvel.
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Continuity Snarl: In the Raft Breakout in New Avengers and his appearances in Deadpool, Gerhardt is wearing his original face. The last issue of the '90-'91 miniseries makes that highly improbable. As part of his plan to vanish, he uses the sulfuric acid to destroy his original face as a pretext for needing extensive reconstructive surgery.
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Absurdly Sharp Blade
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Absurdly Sharp Blade: Mike Trace's blade is basically a lightsaber in a katana suit, able to behead multiple mooks with a one-handed swing.
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Strawman Political: Kurt Gerhardt's victims included exemplars on both sides of the political spectrum.
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Catchphrase: Salinger: "Live a poem or die a fool.": Gerhardt: "I kill fools"
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The Fundamentalist
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The Fundamentalist: Everbest believed that all criminals, sinners, and dissidents were fools that needed to be eliminated by an acting agent of God and that he had been chosen by God to be that agent.
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Master of Disguise: Gerhardt's incarnation more than any of the others.
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