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The Innocents

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The Innocents	comment	The Innocents is a 1961 British horror film adapted from Henry James' novella The Turn of the Screw, directed by Jack Clayton and starring Deborah Kerr.Miss Giddens (Kerr), a young governess in her first position, is sent to look after two children at a country manor called Bly. At first Miss Giddens loves the house and gets along wonderfully with the two children, but she soon starts to see other people in the house. When she sees a man up close, she describes him to the housekeeper and is informed that the man in question died over a year ago. The man was Peter Quint, the master's valet. Upon learning that Quint was in a torrid relationship with the previous governess Miss Jessel (also deceased), she starts to see her ghost too. Miss Giddens becomes convinced that the two servants are trying to possess the children.The film is notable for leaving the existence of the ghosts up to debate; like in Henry James's original book, it's never confirmed whether the ghosts are real or a product of Miss Giddens' imagination. It has also been the basis for other horror films such as The Others (2001) with Nicole Kidman, and its soundtrack was sampled for the cursed tape in The Ring. Deborah Kerr considered this to be her best performance, calling the film "criminally underrated".For the 2021 Norwegian thriller, see The Innocents (2021).
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The Innocents / int_113472aa	type	Miles Gloriosus
The Innocents / int_113472aa	comment	Miles is Latin for "soldier", like Miles Gloriosus. Miles is bold and daring - but it just serves to go with his Troubling Unchildlike Behaviour.
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The Innocents / int_121b3725	type	Age Lift
The Innocents / int_121b3725	comment	Age Lift: The governess in the novella was stated to be twenty. Deborah Kerr was forty when she played Miss Giddens and, while she certainly didn't look that age, the governess appears to be a few years older.
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The Innocents / int_14ee9ce	type	Dream Melody
The Innocents / int_14ee9ce	comment	Dream Melody: Miss Giddens, as a result of hearing Flora humming "O Willow Waly" at night.
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The Innocents / int_1777688d	type	Genre Savvy
The Innocents / int_1777688d	comment	Genre Savvy: Miss Giddens, though it is suggested she is merely making the story up on her own.
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The Innocents / int_18d15922	type	Title Drop
The Innocents / int_18d15922	comment	Title Drop: Miss Giddens refers to the children as "the innocents".
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The Innocents / int_1f6983f7	type	Ambiguous Situation
The Innocents / int_1f6983f7	comment	Ambiguous Situation: Mrs Grose describes Quint and Miss Jessel's relationship to us and it's not entirely clear whether it was straight up abuse, mutually toxic or even some form of BDSM (she mentions seeing Quint hit her and Miss Jessel enjoying it, which has several interpretations).
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The Innocents / int_20f689e9	type	Adaptational Villainy
The Innocents / int_20f689e9	comment	Adaptational Villainy: In the original novella, there was no mention of Peter Quint striking Miss Jessel. The ghosts themselves were neutral entities in the novella; whether they were real or not, if they were, there was good reason to interpret them as simply keeping the children company. It's the governess who assumes they were evil. Here, Quint's ghost appears very malevolently. Ironically their Ghostly Goals are softened from the novella; there, the governess thought they wanted to murder the children. Here, Miss Giddens think they want to possess them so they can continue their relationship.
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The Innocents / int_23473ae7	type	Adaptation Expansion
The Innocents / int_23473ae7	comment	Adaptation Expansion: The backstories of Peter Quint and Miss Jessel are expanded. In the novella, they were merely in love. In the film, it's expanded into being a toxic relationship that was either abusive or involving some BDSM. Miss Giddens's own sexuality is incorporated into the story; suggesting she may be attracted to Quint's ghost in some way, and giving her some questionable subtext with Miles.
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The Innocents / int_23ff95fb	type	Brutal Honesty
The Innocents / int_23ff95fb	comment	Brutal Honesty: The uncle bluntly says he has no room in his life for children, nor is he willing to make any.
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The Innocents / int_269e82c1	type	Death of a Child
The Innocents / int_269e82c1	comment	Death of a Child: Miles dies at the end.
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The Innocents / int_2764d432	type	Bitch in Sheep's Clothing
The Innocents / int_2764d432	comment	Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: Flora is a curious example. She's the only character always shown wearing white and, while she may or may not be evil, she is definitely mischievous and she does have a rather dark sense of humour.
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The Innocents / int_297ab1b9	type	Parental Abandonment
The Innocents / int_297ab1b9	comment	Parental Abandonment: The children are orphans and their uncle refuses to be saddled with them.
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The Innocents / int_33029735	type	Dies Wide Open
The Innocents / int_33029735	comment	Dies Wide Open: Miles in the final scene. Peter Quint also reportedly died this way. For added creepy factor, Miles was the one that found him.
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The Innocents / int_33d5b7f2	type	Adapted Out
The Innocents / int_33d5b7f2	comment	Adapted Out: The novella had a Framing Device involving an acquaintance of the now-deceased governess reading her account of the events.
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The Innocents / int_3b79029a	type	Crapsaccharine World
The Innocents / int_3b79029a	comment	Crapsaccharine World: Bly is a beautiful country house with gardens that overflow with flowers and sculptures. But of course there are dark shadows everywhere, and the house may be haunted. There are frequent shots of insects emerging from statues or decaying flowers — which was a touch by Truman Capote to show "the skull beneath the skin".
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The Innocents / int_3d2c6d30	type	Skewed Priorities
The Innocents / int_3d2c6d30	comment	Skewed Priorities: Mrs Grose wants to avoid people talking or causing a scandal rather than possibly getting help for the children. Miss Giddens is astounded.
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The Innocents / int_3f45f1e6	type	Adaptational Heroism
The Innocents / int_3f45f1e6	comment	Adaptational Heroism: The Turn of the Screw left it open whether Mrs Grose was good or not. She's an ambiguous figure, with it sometimes hinted she was secretly trying to drive the governess out of Bly. She also turned a blind eye to the ghostly happenings or the children's very real problems. This film's version of her clearly cares for the children very much, and tries to help and support Miss Giddens; with any objection to her theory being fear of a scandal or the children's safety.
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The Innocents / int_40cad744	type	Flower Motifs
The Innocents / int_40cad744	comment	Flora is the Latin for "flower", and Flower Motifs abound in the house. Miss Giddens is often tending to flowers that fall apart or decay, just like how Flora appears angelic but is deeply troubled.
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The Innocents / int_4814d132	type	Big Fancy House
The Innocents / int_4814d132	comment	Big Fancy House: Bly is full of lavish rooms and long corridors decorated with all sorts of finery.
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The Innocents / int_4864031b	type	Informed Attractiveness
The Innocents / int_4864031b	comment	Informed Attractiveness: Mrs Grose and Miles do make a big fuss of how pretty Miss Giddens is, though in Miles's case he's probably trying to be flattering to distract her.
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The Innocents / int_49d59be9	type	Scenery Porn
The Innocents / int_49d59be9	comment	Scenery Porn: Several long and lovely shots of the English countryside, as well as the grounds and gardens of the house itself. Miss Giddens loves it so much she gets out of the carriage at the gates and walks the rest of the way to the house.
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The Innocents / int_4b0ef86e	type	Advertised Extra
The Innocents / int_4b0ef86e	comment	Advertised Extra: Peter Wyngarde only appears in brief shots as Quint's ghost. It adds up to only a minute or so of screen time.
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The Innocents / int_4fe1aa4c	type	Gorgeous Period Dress
The Innocents / int_4fe1aa4c	comment	Gorgeous Period Dress: Miss Giddens has some splendid crinoline dresses and bustle skirts, with High-Class Gloves — possibly a bit too splendid for a modest parson's daughter.
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The Innocents / int_53e1ce4e	type	Please Wake Up
The Innocents / int_53e1ce4e	comment	Please Wake Up: Miles did this on discovering the dead Quint. As does Miss Giddens with Miles at the end.
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The Innocents / int_557838d1	type	Adaptational Attractiveness
The Innocents / int_557838d1	comment	Adaptational Attractiveness: The estate of Bly, a non-human example. In the book Bly is described as being fairly ugly. In the film it's a gorgeous house full of quirky architectural details and with grounds overflowing with flowers and life.
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The Innocents / int_58d31a8b	type	Body Motifs
The Innocents / int_58d31a8b	comment	Body Motifs: Hands. The film opens up with a pair of old, wrinkly hands brought together in prayer. When Miss Giddens discovers the statue of a cherub beneath a large rose bush, viewers can notice that he's holding a pair of disembodied, smaller hands in his own.
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The Innocents / int_590eb583	type	Domestic Abuse
The Innocents / int_590eb583	comment	Domestic Abuse: It's left open if Quint and Miss Jessel's relationship was this - Mrs Grose saying she once saw him knock her to the floor.
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The Innocents / int_5924454b	type	Cerebus Call-Back
The Innocents / int_5924454b	comment	Cerebus Call-Back: Flora's pet tortoise Rupert is the subject of some lighthearted moments early on in the film. He appears again near the end where Miles throws him through the greenhouse wall in a fit of rage.
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The Innocents / int_59f4d283	type	Ominous Music Box Tune
The Innocents / int_59f4d283	comment	Ominous Music Box Tune: It's revealed that the music box Flora has was given to her by Miss Jessel, making it a Tragic Keepsake. She plays it and hums the tune at night.
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The Innocents / int_5e2e55e4	type	The Casanova
The Innocents / int_5e2e55e4	comment	The Casanova: The uncle is said to be this. Miles has elements of it as well.
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The Innocents / int_61375e57	type	BigDamnKiss
The Innocents / int_61375e57	comment	Big Damn Kiss: Miles asks Miss Giddens to kiss him goodnight — and plants one of these on her, startling the hell out of her. When he dies, she kisses him on the lips as well.
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The Innocents / int_62434fe2	type	Sanity Slippage
The Innocents / int_62434fe2	comment	Sanity Slippage: The film leaves it open as to whether this is what's happening to Miss Giddens. Flora suffers this after the governess tries to get her to confront Miss Jessel's ghost.
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The Innocents / int_6459cc02	type	I See Dead People
The Innocents / int_6459cc02	comment	I See Dead People: Present but it's never stated whether Miss Giddens is seeing ghosts or just imagining. Flora and Miles possibly too. Mrs Grose denies seeing them, but that doesn't mean she's telling the truth.
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The Innocents / int_66479d0	type	Our Ghosts Are Different
The Innocents / int_66479d0	comment	Our Ghosts Are Different: Miss Giddens is convinced that getting the children to admit the ghosts are there will get rid of them.
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The Innocents / int_6bda9a30	type	Meaningful Name
The Innocents / int_6bda9a30	comment	Meaningful Name: The children's ties into the symbolism. Flora is the Latin for "flower", and Flower Motifs abound in the house. Miss Giddens is often tending to flowers that fall apart or decay, just like how Flora appears angelic but is deeply troubled. Miles is Latin for "soldier", like Miles Gloriosus. Miles is bold and daring - but it just serves to go with his Troubling Unchildlike Behaviour.
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The Innocents / int_6d332aea	type	Driven to Suicide
The Innocents / int_6d332aea	comment	Driven to Suicide: Miss Jessel drowned herself in the lake after Quint died.
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The Innocents / int_6d89ad1a	type	The Ophelia
The Innocents / int_6d89ad1a	comment	The Ophelia: Miss Jessel is portrayed this way, and is said to have completely despaired after Quint was found dead. Like Ophelia, she drowned herself. And if there are no ghosts, then it would appear Miss Giddens has become this by the end. She even gets a scene wandering around in a nightgown with her hair loose — convinced she's hearing voices.
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The Innocents / int_71748a39	type	Named by the Adaptation
The Innocents / int_71748a39	comment	Named by the Adaptation: The governess is unnamed in the book but called Miss Giddens in this. Miss Jessel is also given "Mary" as a first name.
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The Innocents / int_7c0bfb83	type	Obviously Evil
The Innocents / int_7c0bfb83	comment	Mrs Grose seems very offended when Miss Giddens mentions the children lying to her, and is appalled when she says that Miles took a letter she was planning to send. Lying in particular was seen as one of the worst things a child could do in the Victorian era, and usually the marker of someone being Obviously Evil.
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The Innocents / int_805deb6e	type	Small Role, Big Impact
The Innocents / int_805deb6e	comment	Small Role, Big Impact: The Uncle, played by Michael Redgrave. He appears for five minutes max but is continually discussed by Miss Giddens and Mrs Grose, reflecting the former's infatuation with him. It doesn't help that Miles is said to greatly resemble his Uncle. Also, the Uncle is largely to blame for what happens at the end, because had Miss Giddens been able to consult him, she might not have taken the drastic steps that lead to Flora's breakdown and Miles' death.
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The Innocents / int_829aeb5d	type	Mad Love
The Innocents / int_829aeb5d	comment	Mad Love: Miss Jessel for Quint.
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The Innocents / int_83a903f6	type	Stepford Smiler
The Innocents / int_83a903f6	comment	Stepford Smiler: Miles is a bit of a type C.
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The Innocents / int_8bff32a8	type	Creepy Doll
The Innocents / int_8bff32a8	comment	Creepy Doll: Flora's wax doll, which only appears once it's clear she's not 100% innocent.
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The Innocents / int_8d0461e2	type	Destructive Romance
The Innocents / int_8d0461e2	comment	Destructive Romance: Peter Quint and Miss Jessel had a disturbing courtship that went on for the whole household to know about; Mrs Grose alluding to them not even caring if the children walked in on them using rooms "as though they were dark woods". After Quint died, Miss Jessel ended up drowning herself in mourning.
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The Innocents / int_91672d3e	type	Children Are Innocent
The Innocents / int_91672d3e	comment	Children Are Innocent: Flora talks about a time where she felt bad that so many of the rooms in the house were unused and describes Mrs Grose as being "quite startled" when she wished it was possible to sleep in several rooms at once. Oh, Flora...
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The Innocents / int_963e36bd	type	Boarding School of Horrors
The Innocents / int_963e36bd	comment	Boarding School of Horrors: Inverted. The boy who got sent away to school was expelled because he was the one scaring all the students.
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The Innocents / int_96a33f11	type	Riddle for the Ages
The Innocents / int_96a33f11	comment	Riddle for the Ages: The film is as ambiguous as possible about whether there are ghosts haunting Bly. Miss Giddens sees and hears other people, but she never sees a ghost up close until she's seen a picture. The children act creepy but that could just be from all the trauma they've suffered. When Miss Giddens tries to get Flora to admit that Miss Jessel's ghost is across the lake, Flora's only response is to scream that she can't see anything. Either she's telling the truth, or she's in denial.
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The Innocents / int_9a158325	type	Gothic Horror
The Innocents / int_9a158325	comment	Gothic Horror: Taking place in a big country mansion, with several night time scenes involving thunder and wind — as well as using shadows to great effect in the corridors.
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The Innocents / int_9d12bbc1	type	Foreshadowing
The Innocents / int_9d12bbc1	comment	Foreshadowing: The first night at Bly, Flora wonders if God sometimes leaves people to wander around on earth. The first night as well, while Miss Giddens sleeps, Flora looks out her window to the courtyard. This is where the final confrontation will take place. "Sometimes waking a child from a bad dream is worse than the nightmare. It's the shock..." Miles dies of shock after apparently expelling Quint's ghost.
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The Innocents / int_a4414a05	type	Adaptation Dye-Job
The Innocents / int_a4414a05	comment	Adaptation Dye-Job: Peter Quint was red-haired in the book but is dark-haired in the film (it's in black and white but Miss Giddens says he has dark hair).
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The Innocents / int_aabe2fb	type	Deliberate Values Dissonance
The Innocents / int_aabe2fb	comment	Deliberate Values Dissonance: The film's Victorian setting gives us a few. Mrs Grose seems very offended when Miss Giddens mentions the children lying to her, and is appalled when she says that Miles took a letter she was planning to send. Lying in particular was seen as one of the worst things a child could do in the Victorian era, and usually the marker of someone being Obviously Evil. The idea that Quint and Miss Jessell had a sexual relationship outside of marriage is also shown as another sign of their depravity - although in this case, it's treated more as a bad thing because the children may possibly have seen them. Even then, it's never said that the children did; just that they weren't very discreet about being together. Miles is expelled from school because he is considered a bad influence to the other children. No one saw anything wrong with a boy who literally found his only father figure dead - and later lost an authority figure in quick succession - being forced to go to a boarding school in the middle of the grieving process. Mrs Grose is perfectly willing to let abusive relationships and Troubling Unchildlike Behaviour go on behind closed doors in favour of solving the problem or looking for help out of fear of a scandal.
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The Innocents / int_ab48ea8	type	Preacher's Kid
The Innocents / int_ab48ea8	comment	Preacher's Kid: Miss Giddens's father was a parson, so of course she's the one possibly having sex fantasies or seeing ghosts everywhere.
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The Innocents / int_abc60c5d	type	Harmful to Minors
The Innocents / int_abc60c5d	comment	Harmful to Minors: Miss Jessel and Quint — on multiple levels.
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The Innocents / int_ac5364fe	type	Chekhov's Hobby
The Innocents / int_ac5364fe	comment	Chekhov's Hobby: Miss Giddens tells the Uncle that she does have a very big imagination. This proves essential to the plot, where she may or may not be imagining the children being possessed by ghosts.
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The Innocents / int_affc0c98	type	Significant Wardrobe Shift
The Innocents / int_affc0c98	comment	Significant Wardrobe Shift: Miss Giddens wears lots of white and brighter clothes when she first arrives at Bly. As the film goes on, she's shown in black more often. In the final sequence, her dress resembles Miss Jessel's. Miles too subtly changes his wardrobe over the film, in the final scene wearing clothes like those of Quint.
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The Innocents / int_b9af5ef3	type	The Film of the Book
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The Innocents / int_c0068b0f	type	FlowerMotif
The Innocents / int_c0068b0f	comment	Flower Motif: White roses with falling petals appear in several key scenes throughout the film to symbolize the corruption of purity. It's also crossed with Animal Motif, as Miss Giddens moves away the branches of a rose bush to discover the statue of a little cherub. At first, she is charmed, but recoils in disgust when a large, ugly insect falls from its mouth...
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The Innocents / int_c5835f29	type	Ghostly Goals
The Innocents / int_c5835f29	comment	Ghostly Goals: Miss Giddens believes that the two ghosts are trying to possess the children so they can continue their relationship.
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The Innocents / int_c868a42a	type	Freudian Excuse
The Innocents / int_c868a42a	comment	Freudian Excuse: Whether or not the children are possessed, it's understandable they aren't the best behaved little people. First of all, they're orphans and can't be any older than eight years old. Secondly their only living relative couldn't care less about them and doesn't bother to take care of them. Third of all, they had to live in a house with an open abusive relationship going on in front of them (where they both looked up to both people). Fourth of all, Miles found Quint dead on the steps and Miss Jessel then killed herself. Fifth of all, Miles gets sent away to school and Flora is pretty much alone in the house with only the servants until Miss Giddens gets there. And if she wasn't messed up before she arrived...
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The Innocents / int_c92bd7ed	type	Spiders Are Scary
The Innocents / int_c92bd7ed	comment	Spiders Are Scary: One of the earliest signs that Flora is a Creepy Child is when Miss Giddens finds her excitedly watching a spider eat a butterfly.
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The Innocents / int_cb70651c	type	Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane
The Innocents / int_cb70651c	comment	Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane: It's deliberately ambiguous about the ghosts. The camp that suggests they're imagined cites that Miss Giddens is established to have an imagination, she jumps to conclusions about the ghosts off circumstantial evidence, ignores the fact that the children could easily be acting out due to all the trauma they've suffered, and never sees a ghost up close until after she's seen Quint's picture in the attic. The camp that suggests they're real says that Miss Giddens sees and hears things in the house long before she knows information that would lead her to suspect ghosts. Whenever she sees people, she first assumes they're servants she hasn't met yet, and actually says she wants to believe she only dreamed or imagined seeing Quint's ghost. Other characters deny seeing the ghosts, but there's enough evidence to suggest they're lying or in denial. Miles also dies rather suddenly by shock, which is rather coincidental for an otherwise healthy young child.
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The Innocents / int_ccfc0535	type	Letting Her Hair Down
The Innocents / int_ccfc0535	comment	Letting Her Hair Down: Miss Giddens's hair is down for the part of the film where Miles plants a big kiss on her.
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The Innocents / int_d22a7df2	type	Troubled, but Cute
The Innocents / int_d22a7df2	comment	Troubled, but Cute: Miles is a very young example. He's The Charmer who can flatter any woman. But he was expelled from school for "corrupting" other children, and has a very twisted sense of humour.
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The Innocents / int_d485cb13	type	Psychotic Smirk
The Innocents / int_d485cb13	comment	Psychotic Smirk: Both of the children flash these at points.
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The Innocents / int_dbca2c99	type	Red Herring
The Innocents / int_dbca2c99	comment	Red Herring: Anna the maid is sometimes assumed to be who Miss Giddens sees or hears before she starts to believe it's Miss Jessel.
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The Innocents / int_dcb9c541	type	Ship Tease
The Innocents / int_dcb9c541	comment	Ship Tease: Some rather odd subtext going on between Miles and Miss Giddens. He asks her to kiss him goodnight and then gives her a rather passionate kiss on the lips. She also kisses him on the lips after he dies.
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The Innocents / int_e543a655	type	Light Is Not Good
The Innocents / int_e543a655	comment	Light Is Not Good: Flora and Miles appear to be two of the most angelic children around, Flora emphasizing this by wearing white all the time. Whether or not they are being possessed they are extremely manipulative and seem to enjoy terrorising Miss Giddens.
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The Innocents / int_eb24d076	type	Freud Was Right
The Innocents / int_eb24d076	comment	Freud Was Right: The filmmakers inserted a few phallic symbols to highlight Miss Giddens's repressed sexuality. Notably the pointed corners on the tower where she first sees Quint, and the candlesticks she's often carrying.
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The Innocents / int_f0c4ce7d	type	The Lost Lenore
The Innocents / int_f0c4ce7d	comment	The Lost Lenore: Quint was this for Miss Jessel after he died. She eventually couldn't take it and jumped in the lake to join him.
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The Innocents / int_f22dda19	type	The City vs. the Country
The Innocents / int_f22dda19	comment	The City vs. the Country: The uncle defies this, refusing to move to his country home to look after the children and instead hiring other people to look after them.
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The Innocents / int_f288cf3	type	Innocent Innuendo
The Innocents / int_f288cf3	comment	Innocent Innuendo: Flora mentions startling Mrs Grose with the thought that it should be possible to sleep in several rooms at once to avoid making the house feel too empty. Given that it's later revealed Quint and Miss Jessell used plenty of rooms "as though they were dark woods", it's not hard to guess what her first thought was.
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The Innocents / int_f3d5d15f	type	Creepy Child
The Innocents / int_f3d5d15f	comment	Creepy Child: Both of them. Flora has her humming of the song "O Willow Waly" to herself and responding to questions she doesn't like with "I don't think I remember". Miles with giving Miss Giddens a long, lingering kiss and being played by Martin Stephens (from Village of the Damned).
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The Innocents / int_f3fd818b	type	Dark Reprise
The Innocents / int_f3fd818b	comment	Dark Reprise: The song "O Willow Waly" is a little creepy at the start but gets even worse as it's discovered Miss Jessel used to sing it to Flora.
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The Innocents / int_f42f96fa	comment	Would Hit a Girl: Mrs Grose says she saw Quint strike Miss Jessel and knock her to the floor several times.
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