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The Ledge

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The Ledge	label	The Ledge
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The Ledge	comment	The Ledge is a 2011 American drama film written and directed by Matthew Chapman and starring Charlie Hunnam, Terrence Howard, Liv Tyler, and Patrick Wilson.Experienced cop Hollis Lucetti (Howard) is having a really, really bad day. First he finds out that he's sterile — so his two kids can't possibly be his own. And then there's Gavin Nichols (Hunnam), who is standing on a ledge, preparing himself to jump to his death. It seems like Gavin doesn't really want to die, but believes that someone else will die if he doesn't jump.The situation is quickly revealed to be about a Love Triangle. Two men, one woman, and it seems likely that at least one of the three is insane. Gavin and Joe are fighting over Shana (Tyler). Gavin is her employer and also an atheist, Joe (Wilson) is her husband and also an evangelical Christian. But is their conflict really about the woman, or is it about their clashing beliefs?The story is mostly a psychological drama with heavy focus on philosophy. Especially the interaction between worldview and self-image. The film also has an obvious thriller element, although this is a far smaller part of the story than the second scene would have the audience believe.Because of its themes, the film was heavily promoted as one of the first in which the hero is an atheist which doesn't fit with the existing preconceptions of atheists in fiction.Not to be confused with Man on a Ledge or Stephen King's short story.
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The Ledge / int_11efa116	type	Prayer of Malice
The Ledge / int_11efa116	comment	Prayer of Malice: This is how Gavin interprets Joe's prayer for gay people. And that's how their conflict gets started: Joe mistakes Gavin for being gay, and Gavin reasserts his identity as a non-homophobic heterosexual by deciding that Shana is too good for Joe.
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The Ledge / int_137f2d7	type	Card-Carrying Villain
The Ledge / int_137f2d7	comment	Card-Carrying Villain: Joe, he is the fundamentalist Christian in a pro-atheist film.
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The Ledge / int_17f88647	type	Egocentrically Religious
The Ledge / int_17f88647	comment	Egocentrically Religious: With Shana, it's merely that the nature of the universe conforms to her personal emotional needs. Joe takes things several steps further. The universe he lives in revolves around himself and his personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
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The Ledge / int_1c445e86	type	Poor Communication Kills
The Ledge / int_1c445e86	comment	Poor Communication Kills: Lampshaded by Hollis: if Gavin had just told him about the reason he was on the ledge from the beginning, he would have been able to inform the other police and stop Joe.
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The Ledge / int_1e020735	type	Heroic Suicide
The Ledge / int_1e020735	comment	Heroic Suicide: It turns out this Gavin's motivation be up on the eponymous ledge. He's been blackmailed by Joe into killing himself, in return for Shana living. In the end, he does.
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The Ledge / int_21d70919	type	Crapsack World
The Ledge / int_21d70919	comment	Crapsack World: Joe argues that the world is a crapsack, but his argument is quite egocentric. It's all about him having made bad choices in his life and living a shitty life until he found Christ.
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The Ledge / int_272abb98	type	Shoot the Shaggy Dog
The Ledge / int_272abb98	comment	Shoot the Shaggy Dog: Gavin kills himself to save Shana’s life, Joe goes to jail for his crimes, and Shana is deprived of the two most important people in her life, making it likely that she’ll go back to her old life of prostitution and drugs. Nice job “saving” her, Gav.
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The Ledge / int_2cc736e4	type	Bondage Is Bad
The Ledge / int_2cc736e4	comment	Bondage Is Bad: One of the problems in the marriage between Joe and Shana is his desire to dominate her sexually. This desire for dominance is definitely not discussed in terms of Safe, Sane, and Consensual. Once he kidnaps his wife, his first priority is to get her Bound and Gagged. Naked, of course. The camera angles are very modest about this: the fetish fuel is for Joe only, not for the audience.
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The Ledge / int_37fcf16	type	Death Is Cheap
The Ledge / int_37fcf16	comment	Death Is Cheap: Discussed. Joe claims to be brave on the basis that he will go to heaven when he dies, so that death doesn't really cost him anything. Gavin doesn't think that this is really brave at all; that it would be braver for someone like him who doesn't believe there's an afterlife to risk his life.
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The Ledge / int_382a6399	type	The Hero Dies
The Ledge / int_382a6399	comment	The Hero Dies: Gavin kills himself in order to save Shana from Joe’s ultimatum.
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The Ledge / int_38bb862f	type	Don't You Dare Pity Me!
The Ledge / int_38bb862f	comment	Don't You Dare Pity Me!: Gavin does not take kindly to Joe worrying about Gavin living an empty life without God and ending up in hell.
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The Ledge / int_40c57041	type	Manipulative Bastard
The Ledge / int_40c57041	comment	Manipulative Bastard: Gavin straight out admits (and is shown) using emotional manipulation on Shana in order to make her fall for him.
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The Ledge / int_4b316d47	type	Break the Cutie
The Ledge / int_4b316d47	comment	Break the Cutie: Poor, poor Shana at the end of the film.
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The Ledge / int_4eaa9b84	type	Author Tract
The Ledge / int_4eaa9b84	comment	Author Tract: Pre-release marketing touted this film as atheist-friendly, since it was going to be one of the few movies to have an openly atheist hero that averted the Hollywood Atheist trope; also the director, Matthew Chapman, is the great-great grandson of Charles Darwin.
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The Ledge / int_50b05d30	type	Disproportionate Retribution
The Ledge / int_50b05d30	comment	Disproportionate Retribution: After Joe expresses pity for Gavin's "empty life without God", Gavin decides to sabotage Joe and Shana's marriage.
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The Ledge / int_537dd8fe	type	Affably Evil
The Ledge / int_537dd8fe	comment	Affably Evil: Joe, other than being a fundamentalist Christian and some Condescending Compassion, is shown at first as being a very nice, affable and easy-going fellow... except when he loses his patience when debating religion. Then, after discovering his wife's affair, he goes off the deep end.
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The Ledge / int_561dab6b	type	Mistaken for Gay
The Ledge / int_561dab6b	comment	Mistaken for Gay: Gavin, when Joe assumes that he is in a gay relationship with his roommate.
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The Ledge / int_5bb60a3c	type	The Presents Were Never from Santa
The Ledge / int_5bb60a3c	comment	The Presents Were Never from Santa: Gavin argues that Shana's inner strengths and weaknesses come from herself, not from God or the Devil.
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The Ledge / int_738d1a0f	type	Because You Were Nice to Me
The Ledge / int_738d1a0f	comment	Because You Were Nice to Me: Shana explains that the reason she fell in love with Joe was because he took care of her and saved her from her lifestyle of drugs and prostitution to pay for it when nobody else would.
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The Ledge / int_77473d35	type	God Is Evil
The Ledge / int_77473d35	comment	God Is Evil: Discussed by Gavin.
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The Ledge / int_7fbb2a3	type	Nice Job Breaking It, Hero!
The Ledge / int_7fbb2a3	comment	Nice Job Breaking It, Hero: Yeah Gavin, nice job ruining the life of Shana in the end, in which she ends up all alone, with her marriage destroyed and her husband in jail. Although, all this cost you was your own life...
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The Ledge / int_80251be3	type	How We Got Here
The Ledge / int_80251be3	comment	How We Got Here: The movie starts with Gavin climbing onto the ledge and Hollis trying to convince him to step down. Gavin then starts telling Hollis the story of the love triangle.
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The Ledge / int_89434320	type	Protagonist-Centered Morality
The Ledge / int_89434320	comment	Protagonist-Centered Morality: Gavin's actions of deliberately destroying Joe and Shana's marriage (who were not doing anything wrong other than the husband's disapproval of atheism and gays) was based only on his idea of becoming Shana's "savior".
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The Ledge / int_8b9bebb1	type	Lover's Ledge
The Ledge / int_8b9bebb1	comment	Lover's Ledge: Twisted in a very cruel way. The choice of place for Gavin's upcoming death is no accident.
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The Ledge / int_921932c7	type	Activist-Fundamentalist Antics
The Ledge / int_921932c7	comment	Activist-Fundamentalist Antics: Taken to a very deadly level as Gavin is about to "die for his beliefs".
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The Ledge / int_957e5fc2	type	Villainous Breakdown
The Ledge / int_957e5fc2	comment	Villainous Breakdown: Joe starts acting unhinged only when he realizes that his wife Shana has been cheating on him with Gavin.
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The Ledge / int_9d0cfdb9	type	Sex Is Evil, and I Am Horny
The Ledge / int_9d0cfdb9	comment	Sex Is Evil, and I Am Horny: In his past, Joe was led into the temptation of self-destructive and abusive sexual behavior.
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The Ledge / int_9f5e99a7	type	DistressedDamsel
The Ledge / int_9f5e99a7	comment	Distressed Damsel: Shana was rescued from her self-destructive lifestyle by Joe prior to the events of the movie. In the climax she has to be rescued FROM Joe.
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The Ledge / int_a551c7ee	type	Homosocial Heterosexuality
The Ledge / int_a551c7ee	comment	Homosocial Heterosexuality: It's really all about Gavin and Joe.
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The Ledge / int_a808063f	type	Black-and-White Insanity
The Ledge / int_a808063f	comment	Black-and-White Insanity: Living in his own personal world of strictly black and white morality, Joe has a life that is very good but also very fragile. When reality doesn't conform to his over-simplified world-view, everything crumbles.
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The Ledge / int_b53077b3	type	Take That!
The Ledge / int_b53077b3	comment	Take That!: The opening shot shows a cross with a polluting oil refinery in the background. Bonus points for revealing that Joe works in the refinery.
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The Ledge / int_b7e0c5ff	type	Love Triangle
The Ledge / int_b7e0c5ff	comment	Love Triangle: Gavin and Joe fighting over Shana.
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The Ledge / int_ba907fe2	type	Entitled to Have You
The Ledge / int_ba907fe2	comment	Entitled to Have You: Gavin sees himself as Shana's appointed savior from an oppressive life.
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The Ledge / int_d6b5863	type	Driven to Madness
The Ledge / int_d6b5863	comment	Driven to Madness: Joe, mostly because of Gavin's actions.
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The Ledge / int_da46a2c0	type	Hollywood Atheist
The Ledge / int_da46a2c0	comment	Hollywood Atheist: Averted with Gavin, as mentioned above. He did suffer a great loss, but it isn't shown as having led him to his atheism.
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The Ledge / int_f76842b1	type	The Fundamentalist
The Ledge / int_f76842b1	comment	The Fundamentalist: Gavin doesn't see Joe as having much personality beyond this trope. Shana does, however.
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The Ledge / int_f88f2449	type	Downer Beginning
The Ledge / int_f88f2449	comment	Downer Beginning: Hollis finding out that he is sterile, meaning that he is not the real father of his children, and that he must now try to talk Gavin out of suicide.
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The Ledge / int_faf4a043	type	Good Adultery, Bad Adultery
The Ledge / int_faf4a043	comment	Good Adultery, Bad Adultery: The film attempts to portray Gavin and Shana's affair as a case of Good Adultery. Keyword being "attempts".
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