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That Was Then... This Is Now
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Mark and Bryon are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them has ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers— pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Bryon can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they come to see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at is shot. An innocent guy gets beaten half to death. Drugs show their effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Bryon had estimated him to be. Should Bryon turn in someone closer than a brother to him?That Was Then, This Is Now is a 1971 coming-of-age novel by S. E. Hinton, the acclaimed author of The Outsiders and Rumble Fish. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greaser culture in 1960s Tulsa, Oklahoma. A film adaptation was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Emilio Estevez (who also wrote the screenplay) as Mark and Craig Sheffer as Bryon. | |
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Sharp-Dressed Man | |
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Sharpdressed Man: Mark is said to always know what to wear even though he doesn't seem to care. | |
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Title Drop | |
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Title Drop: The title is only said twice during the course of the book, but both instances set up a devastating Ironic Echo: When Bryon talks with Mark about how they've grown up since they stopped getting involved in gang fights, and when Mark makes it clear he hates Bryon after he got him sent to prison for drug dealing. | |
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The Sociopath | |
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The Sociopath: It's implied at the end that this is what Mark became without Bryon's influence to keep him in check any longer. | |
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The Cameo | |
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The Cameo: As this book (and several more that followed) take place in the same setting as The Outsiders, not only Ponyboy makes a cameo in the book, so does Tim Shepard. | |
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Chekhov's Gun | |
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Chekhov's Gun: As we come to learn, Mark keeps a spare carton of cigarettes under his mattress. As Bryon comes to learn when trying to get it, it's also where Mark hides his pill bottle. | |
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Pervert Dad | |
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Pervert Dad: Angela's husband's dad "slaps her bottom". | |
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TheSixties | |
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The '60s: The novel takes place circa 1965-66. | |
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Traumatic Haircut | |
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Traumatic Haircut: Mark cuts all of Angela's curly long hair to the scalp off while she is passed out drunk. | |
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Tranquil Fury | |
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Tranquil Fury: Even though he realizes that it's not likely the pills Mark was selling were the same that caused M&M's LSD freakout, the second Bryon connects both in his head, the fact that drugs in general ruined M&M's life, it causes him to become "very cool" and call the cops on Mark. | |
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"Could Have Avoided This!" Plot | |
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"Could Have Avoided This!" Plot: When it starts to click for Mark that Bryon was legitimately upset about him selling drugs, he begins pleading that he'll stop if it's bothering him so much. It almost makes you wonder what would've happened if Bryon held off on calling the cops. | |
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What Could Have Been | |
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What Could Have Been: invoked At the end of the book, after visiting Mark in prison, and realizing that his former friend, the closest thing he had to a brother, wants him dead, Bryon re-examines everything that had transpired over the course of the book, and gets hung up about wondering how things could've been different: | |
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Downer Ending | |
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Downer Ending: Bryon turns in Mark to the police. Mark goes to prison and become a sociopath due to being betrayed by the only person he loved. Bryon is left wondering if he did the right thing and where he's going to go from here. It gets worse two books later on, in Tex: Mark breaks out of prison, hunts down Bryon, and shoots him... but doesn't kill him, mainly because the thought bored him; instead, he tries to force the titular character to drive him to the state line, only to wind up getting gunned down by the cops when he tries to flee. | |
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Wham Line | |
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Wham Line: Throughout the book, Mark has been earning money to help out around the house, but doesn't explain where he's getting it. Bryon winds up finding out the hard way towards the end of the book, when he tries to find some cigarettes: | |
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Heroic Sacrifice | |
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Heroic Sacrifice: Charlie dying in a shootout against two Texans that Bryon and Mark had hustled winds up being the driving force in Bryon's plotline, as it forces him to start growing up. | |
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Lack of Empathy | |
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Lack of Empathy: Part of the reason Mark can get away with so much is because he does not care about anyone but Bryon. He completely disregards all authority and is unfeeling and unmoved by things happening. | |
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Grey-and-Gray Morality | |
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Grey-and-Gray Morality: As Mark saw it, him selling drugs was the best way he could get money to help out around the house, as his criminal record meant finding a legitimate job was unlikely, and he didn't even need to take them to sell them. | |
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From Bad to Worse | |
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It gets worse two books later on, in Tex: Mark breaks out of prison, hunts down Bryon, and shoots him... but doesn't kill him, mainly because the thought bored him; instead, he tries to force the titular character to drive him to the state line, only to wind up getting gunned down by the cops when he tries to flee. | |
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Foreshadowing | |
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Foreshadowing: Early on, Bryon says in his narration that Angela would look beautiful even with all her hair cut off—as Mark actually does later. Mike's story of how he got sent to the hospital (due to being falsely accused of hurting an African American girl, Connie) has two key things of note attached to it: Mike admitting he harbors no hatred over what happened to him, mirroring how Bryon will decide against getting revenge on the Shepards after he gets assaulted in response to Mark cutting Angela's hair, and Mark's own reaction to the story mirrors how he will come to hate Bryon after he gets arrested: "I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would—I still do. I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy." | |
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My God, What Have I Done? | |
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"I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would—I still do. I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy." | |
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Dramatic Irony | |
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Dramatic Irony: In the fourth chapter, we learn that the bartender of the bar/pool hall Bryon and Mark frequent, Charlie, had gotten his draft notice. One chapter later, he reveals that the military changed their mind upon discovering his police record. This is also the same chapter he dies. | |
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Trademark Favorite Food | |
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Trademark Favorite Food: M&M loves M&Ms, to the point where (per Byron's narration) he practically eats them nonstop, day after day. | |
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Be Careful What You Wish For | |
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Be Careful What You Wish For: When Angela is drunk, she expresses a wish to cut off her prized long hair. The boys do exactly that to her as revenge when she's passed out. | |
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Coming of Age Story | |
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Coming of Age Story: By the end of the book, after everything he experienced (including Charlie dying defending him and Mark from those two Texans, M&M's violently negative reaction to LSD, and having to turn Mark over to the cops for dealing drugs), Bryon comes to realize that there's nothing he wouldn't give more for being able to make sense of life again: | |
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Sweet Tooth | |
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Sweet Tooth: This is the reason why M&M is called "M&M": | |
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"Eureka!" Moment | |
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"Eureka!" Moment: After discovering the pill container under Mark's mattress, Bryon describes his reaction as a machine going off in his head, "[going] click, click, click[, until] it came up with an answer [he] didn't want." | |
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Drugs Are Bad | |
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Drugs Are Bad: If it wasn't painfully obvious, given how two major plot points involve Mark selling drugs in secret, and M&M having a violent reaction to LSD that even a doctor says he'll never fully recover from, that is one of the key messages of the book. | |
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No Good Deed Goes Unpunished | |
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No Good Deed Goes Unpunished: Early on in the book, Bryon and Mark come across a boy their mother is friends with, Mike Chambers, in the hospital. As it happens, he was hanging out with a gang by a grocery store, when a black girl, Connie, went in to buy cigarettes. When they start harrassing and threatening her, Mike makes them back off, and offers her a ride home, even making a point of giving her a handkerchief when he sees she's crying. But upon dropping Connie off, a group of people who know Connie assume Mike had something to do with her crying, and pull him out of his car, and accuse him of hurting her. Mike tries to point out he didn't, but when Connie is asked her side of events, she does the following: | |
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Sailor Earth | |
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Sailor Earth: Tim and Curly Sheppard had appeared in The Outsiders, with no mention of a sister. Angela appears for the first time in this book. | |
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