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The Anglo/American – Nazi War
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An Alternate History in which World War II grinds to a stalemate following the defeat of the Soviet Union. By the time that full-scale fighting resumes in the early 1950s, the Third Reich has had the opportunity to implement much of its manifesto. A very different war resumes in a very different Europe, to put it mildly.Now published by Sea Lion Press.Read it here (or here without readers' comments, although these comments are useful to understand the story). | |
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Dressing as the Enemy | |
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Dressing as the Enemy: The Nazis actually weaponize this at one point. Following the destruction of Paris, members of the Werewolf "B" Detachment start to dress in captured Allied uniforms, speak English, and commit horrifying atrocities against civilians, leaving plenty of witnesses to spread the word. Although it was an obvious ploy to most people even in the Reich, it still sowed seeds of distrust between civilians and troops in Allied-occupied France, to the point that over one-third of the country is deemed unsafe for unarmed Allied soldiers. | |
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The Sociopath | |
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The Sociopath: Many Nazis are this, but Heinrich Himmler is arguably the worst, treating the many genocides of Nazism as normal, day-to-day affairs. | |
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Conditioned to Accept Horror | |
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Conditioned to Accept Horror: The A4 powers are entirely willing to inflict massive civilian casualties in order to avoid anything that might lead to WWIII. For instance, they kill 275,000 people in Stettin because they're rebelling in order to reunite Germany and the Allies are convinced, judging by what happened last time, that a reunited Germany will start World War III, leading to hundreds of millions of people dead. | |
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The Purge | |
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The Purge: Needless to say, Stalin doesn't take the loss of Stalingrad well. Most of the Soviet High command, including Georgy Zhukov and Semyon Timoshenko, as well as virtually every surviving general officer and Commissar on the Southwest Front, are all executed. This proves to be even more of a disaster for the Red Army than the loss of the city itself, one that it never fully recovers from. With no Cold War, the American occupying Japan could afford to purge numerous Japanese ultra-nationalists and war criminals. | |
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Hiding the Handicap | |
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Hiding the Handicap: Hitler has a brain death shortly after the Allies take the supposedly invulnerable Arras complex. | |
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Crapsack World | |
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Crapsack World and A World Half Full: Continental Europe is salted and burned during this timeline's titular war, with its cultural heritage intentionally destroyed by the retreating Nazis, and Japan suffers famine and depopulation from the protracted Pacific War, and God help you if you have the misfortune to be born in what used to be Germany. However, large parts of the rest of the world are better off than our own. An unpartitioned India is the world's largest economy, while South America is much more politically stable with Brazil and Argentina being developed countries. Open wars are less common due to the threat of A4 intervention, genocides are prevented, and Africa is less prone to civil wars and famines. China avoided the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution... but is a population time bomb and a political mess, about to reach 2 billion people, and whose leaders have been compared unfavorably, per Word of God, to North Korea, known to engage into Unit 731 stuff and multi-generational sentences for dissenters. It’s become a dangerous Wild Card in the affairs of the world internationally veiled support for taboo Prussia reunification, and supporting guerillas in the Korean Revolution. | |
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Good Is Not Dumb | |
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Good Is Not Dumb: Played With. Rommel used slave labor to build the Reich's Atlantic coastal defenses. But one of the reasons they worked so well is he actually gave decent rations to the forced laborers under his watch. | |
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Good Is Not Soft | |
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Good Is Not Soft: The members of the A4 are devoted to promoting democracy, human rights, and global security. But they have little problem going apeshit on those who dare challenge those ideals. | |
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Failure Is the Only Option | |
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Failure Is the Only Option: Nothing that Vyacheslav Molotov could possibly have done would have saved the Soviet Union. By the time the Allies have secured France, there is nothing left that can prevent the Reich from losing the war. Of course they won't accept it. | |
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Offing the Offspring | |
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Offing the Offspring: Just like OTL, Joseph Goebbels tries to kill his whole family to prevent them from "living in a world without national socialism". Fortunately for his daughters, they are now fully grown up and some escape their father's ire. Also a case of Terrifying Rescuer since the allied troops that discover them are the Poles who suffered massively at the hands of the Nazis and thus are out for their blood. | |
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Dragon Ascendant | |
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Dragon Ascendant: Heinrich Himmler takes control of the Reich after Hitler's death. | |
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Allohistorical Allusion | |
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Allohistorical Allusion: The most controversial decision of Harry Truman's presidency is not dropping the A-Bomb on Japan. (The remnants of the NKVD had managed to convince the Nazis that A-Bombs were not possible, and so the US didn't dare demonstrate otherwise to the Nazis until it was too late for the Nazis to develop their own nukes.) | |
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Awesome, but Impractical | |
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Awesome, but Impractical: Hitler is fascinated by the flying-wing aircraft designed by the Horten brothers, which results in the Luftwaffe wasting years-worth of R&D as flying wings are too unstable to use in combat without artificial stability (which was impossible with 1950s computer tech). | |
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He Who Fights Monsters | |
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He Who Fights Monsters: It's open for discussion whether the A4 post-war have themselves become monsters. At the very least, they've become extremely cynical. The author himself has described the A4 as nanny-style dictators in both the best and worst senses. Author's ending words: "Is safety, security and peace worth having a nanny watching you all the time?" The significant portion of the readership that answered in the negative often referred to Benjamin Franklin's warning: "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." The Allies are at their nastiest when, after the Nazis unleash bioweapons and chemical weapons on Britain and kill tens of thousands of people (including the Queen Mother), the British respond with a massive anthrax attack on Berlin and Nuremberg. Afterwards, it's estimated that those cities won't be inhabitable for centuries – the author described them as making Chernobyl "look like a broken water main". | |
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Ax-Crazy | |
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Ax-Crazy: Many Nazis involved in the war are complete psychopaths that are in it just to act out their violent urges, but the crowning achievement for this goes to Himmler, who orders his forces to destroy any towns they come across, along with killing any civilians they find while retreating, for the simple sake of sowing death and destruction. | |
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Ghost City | |
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Ghost City: Berlin and Nuremberg, rendered uninhabitable by British anthrax bombing. They won't be safe until the late 23rd century, if ever. | |
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False Flag Operation | |
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False Flag Operation: The Nazis and their collaborators disguise themselves in Allied uniforms to massacre French civilians, to turn the French population against their liberators. | |
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The Bad Guy Wins | |
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The Bad Guy Wins: Nazi Germany manages to defeat the Soviet Union and secure dominance over all of continental Europe...at least for a while. | |
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Watching Troy Burn | |
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Watching Troy Burn: The Reich televises the wholesale destruction of Paris, and some of it intentionally gets broadcast to Britain. | |
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Even Evil Has Standards | |
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Even Evil Has Standards: Hitler refuses to use chemical and biological weapons against the Allies. Heinrich Himmler has no such qualms. | |
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Kick the Dog | |
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Kick the Dog: The Nazis do it constantly. Highlights include the massive destruction and depopulation of most of Eastern Europe, an almost total Holocaust, the destruction of Paris and many parts of Western Europe, and the use of chemical and biological agents with no regard to the collateral damage. | |
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Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism | |
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It's open for discussion whether the A4 post-war have themselves become monsters. At the very least, they've become extremely cynical. The author himself has described the A4 as nanny-style dictators in both the best and worst senses. Author's ending words: "Is safety, security and peace worth having a nanny watching you all the time?" The significant portion of the readership that answered in the negative often referred to Benjamin Franklin's warning: "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." | |
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Deadly Gas | |
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Deadly Gas: As in real life, Hitler didn't like it ever since he was exposed to it in the battlefields of World War I, but unfortunately Acting Führer Himmler is rather fond of using it. | |
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Psychopathic Manchild | |
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Psychopathic Manchild: Discussed. Some people see the Nazis' brutal trashing of European culture as a temper tantrum. But the In-Universe author sees it more like a divorced husband who destroys his assets to spite his ex-wife. Children lash out because they don't know any better while the Nazis act in deliberate spite. | |
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Curb-Stomp Battle | |
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The Chamberlain tank certainly qualifies. To put in context, during the liberation of France 14 Chamberlains were employed by the 26th Tank Battalion to rout an SS tank group three times their size with only minor damage to one tank's tracks. Said tank still scored 26 kills. | |
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Bittersweet Ending | |
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Bittersweet Ending: One the hand the Nazis were defeated, and much of the world has managed to prosper. On the other hand...tens of millions of Slavic civilians were slaughtered, so few Jews made it out of Europe, that Israel could not be established, much of Western Europe's cultural heritage and farmland were utterly trashed, and Germany was permanently broken apart. | |
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Zerg Rush | |
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Zerg Rush: Many inexperienced commanders (especially on the Nazis' side) employ this tactic. | |
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Dropped a Bridge on Him | |
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Dropped a Bridge on Him: Albert Speer, who hides "in the wrong bunker at the wrong time" and most likely gets nuked to death. Considering what he did in our timeline and on this timeline, including organizing the Nazi slave labour system, it counts as a case of Asshole Victim. During the war, Himmler's response to Italy's defection from the Axis and Molotov's slowdown of deliveries. | |
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Worthy Opponent | |
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Worthy Opponent: The Western Allies have this reaction to Heer veterans once they're called out of retirement to defend the Reich, and not just because of their obvious mental advantage over the SS. | |
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The Resenter | |
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The Resenter: France becomes this toward the Allies after the war. Once a Sixth Republic takes power, albeit through what's widely seen as a sham election, they begin regularly opposing and decrying the A4, calling for the withdrawal of all foreign troops and the return of the Channel coast, which they refer to as "Occupied France." It especially wishes to regain its colonies, insistently demanding they regain them to “guide� their lost subjects. | |
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Expanded States of America | |
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Expanded States of America: The Russian Far East becomes the US state of West Alaska, because the Soviet Union has collapsed into anarchy. Later on, the Marianas Islands become the 52nd state. It also incorporates the Netherlands Antilles and the Ogasawara Archipelago as territories, as well as 99-year leases on Okinawa and territory around the Persian Gulf. Likewise, the United Kingdom incorporates the northern coast of France, closes similar leases around the Middle east and extends its 99 claim on Hong Kong, with the option for another 99 years. Portugal reaches a similar deal for Macau. Canada grows to incorporate Martinique and Guadeloupe | |
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Disproportionate Retribution | |
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Disproportionate Retribution: The A4's postwar philosophy to war and non-A4 sanctioned space launches. For instance, to stop a pro-German unification insurgency in Stettin (which they had already almost defeated through conventional means), the A4 hit the city with a 10-ton kinetic round launched from a mass driver on the Moon, impacting with the force of 57.5 kilotons. Stettin and its 275,000 inhabitants are wiped from the map. After that demonstration, the entire pro-unification movement collapses. | |
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BlackAndGreyMorality | |
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Black-and-Grey Morality: Although the Allies' greyness is very pale in comparison to the pitch-blackness of the Reich, the morality of the Allies in the postwar world is open to a little more debate. The description of what the Nazis do to Europe once they've won the 1939-1943 war however is terrifying and worse, all of it is what they planned to do in real life as well. | |
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Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp" | |
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Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp": The internet, opened to civilian use in 1995, is referred to as "The Grid." | |
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The Berserker | |
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The Berserker: Some of the more fanatical Waffen-SS troops approach this, particularly those recruited from the Hitler Youth. | |
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Kangaroo Court | |
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Kangaroo Court: Stalin's trials for the Red Army members who lost Stalingrad each last a grand total of six minutes and end with a bullet between the eyes. | |
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Four Eyes, Zero Soul | |
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Four Eyes, Zero Soul: Heinrich Himmler. | |
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Super Prototype | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_5e782d0c | comment |
Eleven Maus tanks appear near the death throes of Nazi Germany. They're quickly beaten once their glaring performance and armor weaknesses are discovered. | |
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Blind Obedience | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_674e8192 | comment |
Blind Obedience: The German people display an almost incredible faith in the Nazi leadership, and many younger soldiers especially display a willingness to become suicide bombers. Even the nuking of a dozen cities doesn't shake that faith at all. Somewhat justified by the regime's total control of the media and the ridiculously high standard of living enjoyed by the German people thanks to the wholesale plundering of Europe. | |
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If I Can't Have You… | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_6774150c | comment |
If I Can't Have You…: The Nazis destroy culturally-significant cities, including Paris, in preference to them falling into Allied hands. Paris is not just destroyed but its region rendered uninhabitable by biological agents, so that post-war, the French capital has to be moved to Lyon. Hitler had planned to do this in our timeline. The key difference is that the Heer general governing Paris in our timeline was unwilling to carry out the order, unlike the SS in this one. | |
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Russian Guy Suffers Most | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_6ada388a | comment |
Russian Guy Suffers Most: The USSR is brutalized by the Nazis, suffering 62 million civilian dead alone. And their country goes through another civil war after the Nazis decapitate their leadership. | |
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Hopeless War | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_6b510ace | comment |
Hopeless War: For nearly everybody involved. | |
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Driven to Suicide | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_6d332aea | comment |
Driven to Suicide: Many Germans after Hitler's death and once it becomes apparent that the Nazis will lose the war. | |
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Burn Baby Burn | |
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Burn Baby Burn: A favorite tactic of the Nazis, but most prominent during the destruction of Paris. The Einsatzgruppen officially kick off the event by setting multiple fires and opening gas mains with explosives, allowing the city to burn unimpeded. | |
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Godzilla Threshold | |
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Godzilla Threshold: When Germany uses biological weapons in Britain and Italy, the British bomb Berlin and Nuremberg with anthrax, leaving them uninhabitable for centuries. | |
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Politically Incorrect Villain | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_729c69f3 | comment |
Politically Incorrect Villain: The Nazis of course. In stark contrast to the more tolerant Allies, the Nazis shamelessly project their racism and mass murder on Slavs, Jews and other undesirables. This bites them in the ass due to their supremacist mindset driving them to make many strategic blunders, on top of earning the hatred of the rest of the world. | |
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Les Collaborateurs | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_768ae1c9 | comment |
Les Collaborateurs: The various European governments had to collaborate with their Nazi overlords. When the Allied forces came, most of them secretly surrender to the Allies while trying to avoid annihilation by the Reich. The trope namer had to continue the charade since the Vichy French Head of State was executed by the Gestapo. | |
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Depopulation Bomb | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_76933235 | comment |
The Cabal's plan is to develop a Depopulation Bomb to exterminate all non-Chinese, so that their swollen population can recolonize the entire planet. If either the A4 or India got wind of what the Cabal were up to, they'd likely nuke China from end to end. | |
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Hated by All | |
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Hated by All: All of the Nazis' horrible decisions have made them, and by extension Germans, the most despised people in the world. | |
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From Bad to Worse | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_7870735b | comment |
From Bad to Worse: Repeatedly. Especially for the Soviet Union and France, and poor, poor Poland. | |
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Balkanize Me | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_7913833c | comment |
Balkanize Me: Germany has been permanently divided into fifteen Administrative Regions as per the Treaty of Barcelona, forbidden to reunite on pain of being nuked. France is so devastated by the war that the relatively less-damaged region along the Channel coast chooses to become part of the UK. Martinique and Guadeloupe seek union with Canada, while French Guiana splits off and merges with Suriname and British Guiana.. Not only was the Soviet Union broken up into its constituent SSRs, but Ukraine is split in two, and Russia proper is divided between a restored Tsarist state in European Russia, a rump Soviet state in Siberia, and the US state of West Alaska. The Netherlands Antilles join the U.S. as a territory. Attempted by Muslims who seek separation from India, but ultimately proves unsuccessful. | |
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Shell-Shocked Veteran | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_7a143509 | comment |
Shell-Shocked Veteran: As the war in Europe comes to a frightening close, many veterans of the Pacific War are so traumatized by seeing the horrors of Japan come alive, they resign their posts rather than relive those horrors. | |
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I Reject Your Reality | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_7a1856ba | comment |
I Reject Your Reality: In July 1959, when the Allies are closing in on Berlin, Himmler offers a "Peace with Honor", which would force the Allies to recognize all Nazi claims in the East and accept that no trial would occur for crimes perpetrated by the Reich. Naturally, the Allies reject the offer. | |
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Sliding Scale of Alternate History Plausibility | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_7c3dda61 | comment |
Sliding Scale of Alternate History Plausibility: Pushed into Type II by Hitler's decision to move 250,000 troops from North Africa to the Eastern Front turning the Battle of Stalingrad in their favor. The author has admitted it is a stretch, even with Stalin's decision to purge his best generals afterward for their failure, but the rest of the timeline manages to be much closer to Type I. | |
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Sore Loser | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_7cc8d769 | comment |
Sore Loser: The Nazis, once they see the writing on the wall, commit themselves to horrifyingly brutal acts of vengeance over the shame of defeat. | |
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Vestigial Empire | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_81c72ad5 | comment |
Vestigial Empire: The Soviet Union becomes this due to first being defeated and utterly emasculated by the Nazis and then losing the Russian Far East (which becomes West Alaska) and Central Asia after the Nazis bomb their capital of Krasnoyarsk and the civil war which follows. By the "present day", the USSR is reduced to Western and Central Siberia. With France effectively becoming a Nazi ally, the Allies have no intention of restoring its colonial empire post-war. They support Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam (which goes on to send special forces to fight the Nazis in France itself) and the British occupy France's colonies in North Africa, which are granted independence after the war's end. | |
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Stepford Smiler | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_83a903f6 | comment |
Stepford Smiler: After the Nazi's ill-advised attack on Britain and America, many European civilians happily celebrate the "strategic blow" against the Allies to avoid being seen as defeatist. Privately, these citizens were actually horrified by the Nazis' willingness to pick a fight with two major powers. | |
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Made a Slave | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_8437cb10 | comment |
Made a Slave: The Nazis enslaved the Slavic populations of Eastern Europe, and worked to death Soviet forced laborers sent by Molotov. | |
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Truth in Television | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_875615dd | comment |
Hitler had planned to do this in our timeline. The key difference is that the Heer general governing Paris in our timeline was unwilling to carry out the order, unlike the SS in this one. | |
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Murder-Suicide | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_87a38662 | comment |
Murder-Suicide / Pater Familicide: Many German families are the victims of these when the war starts ending. | |
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Evil Colonialist | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_954ad71c | comment |
Evil Colonialist: The Reich established colonies in Eastern Europe, with the treatment of the natives going from "medieval" to "extermination through work". | |
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Villainous Breakdown | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_957e5fc2 | comment |
Villainous Breakdown: The Nazi leadership all undergo one when the reality of their imminent defeat at the hands of the Allies compromises their ability to believe their own propaganda. Unfortunately, this comes with apocalyptic consequences for the people of western Europe. | |
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Wild Card | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_95a4c6df | comment |
Wild Card: The "Cabal" who take over China from the Guomindang after World War II seem to be this. Their paranoid isolationism, seemingly-suicidal level of population growth, and obviously appalling living standards (to the point that in some winters, tens of thousands of Chinese die attempting to escape to India on foot across the Himalayas) are making the world anxious. The Cabal's plan is to develop a Depopulation Bomb to exterminate all non-Chinese, so that their swollen population can recolonize the entire planet. If either the A4 or India got wind of what the Cabal were up to, they'd likely nuke China from end to end. | |
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Defiant to the End | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_966da803 | comment |
Defiant to the End: Joseph Goebbels dies in Berlin as the allied Polish troops raid his bunker, Himmler also commits suicide in another facility. | |
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Big Bad | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_970c790a | comment |
Big Bad: Nazi Germany. Hitler and Himmler in particular. | |
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Never My Fault | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_973d220f | comment |
Never My Fault: Following the Operation Victory nerve gas bombings, Himmler publicly puts the Allies at fault for the deaths and demands a surrender and reparations to prevent further attacks. | |
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Dirty Communists | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_9c47b23b | comment |
Dirty Communists: Averted. With the destruction of the Soviet Union during World War II, communism isn't feared that much anymore. | |
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Nuclear Option | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a08b0736 | comment |
Nuclear Option: After the Saint Patrick's Day Bombings, the US and UK decide against immediately counterattacking the Reich with nukes because there's no guarantee it will defeat them and, worse, might give the Reich enough time to develop their own nukes before an invasion can be put together. Eventually, once the Western Allies do start nuking the Reich, their fears about a lack of surrender are proven right. Thankfully it's too late for the Nazis to develop their own bombs. Five years into the Korean Revolution, America drops four low-yield nukes onto their last remaining columns. While controversial, it proves to bring A4 casualties down by 95% and bring an end to the conflict. | |
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It's Personal | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a0db7803 | comment |
It's Personal: The 2nd (Free Polish) Fusiliers regiment. When faced with the 53rd SS Grenadiers, they unsurprisingly gave the Nazis no quarter. | |
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Back from the Brink | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a37e27db | comment |
Back from the Brink: Russia, Poland, the Baltic States, two Ukraines, Czechia and other long-dead states are restored after the end of the war. | |
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Overpopulation Crisis | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a59e28a9 | comment |
Their paranoid isolationism, seemingly-suicidal level of population growth, and obviously appalling living standards (to the point that in some winters, tens of thousands of Chinese die attempting to escape to India on foot across the Himalayas) are making the world anxious. | |
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Cool Train | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a632f7fa | comment |
Cool Train: Post-war, the United States invests a great deal of money into creating a transcontinental maglev transit system for itself, Canada, and Mexico. This was done to develop and refine the technology needed for a mass driver, which offered the benefits of cheap space flight and a Moon-based kinetic bombardment weapon system. | |
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Alternate History | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a86069f | comment |
Alternate History: The Nazis stalemate World War II... for a while. The Arab–Israeli Conflict: Ultimately averted. Despite desires for a Jewish state in Palestine, too few Jews managed to settle there before the Nazis exterminated their co-religionists in Europe, and a self-determination plebiscite in 1963 results in them being outvoted 69% to 31% by the majority Arab population. | |
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Final Solution | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_a969c74a | comment |
Final Solution: Almost fully implemented. The total number of surviving European Jews is in the low four figures. Poland also loses roughly 85% of her pre-war population. | |
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Good Cannot Comprehend Evil | |
| The Anglo/American – Nazi War / int_abe1e24e | comment |
Good Cannot Comprehend Evil: The Allies are utterly baffled by the Nazis' viciousness and brutality when they destroy much of Western Europe in a massive scorched earth policy. | |
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Nuke 'em | |
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Germany has been permanently divided into fifteen Administrative Regions as per the Treaty of Barcelona, forbidden to reunite on pain of being nuked. | |
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Nice Job Fixing It, Villain | |
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Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: The Nazis have secured domination over Europe and pressured the Allies into accepting a de facto ceasefire. Then they launch the St. Patrick's Day Bombings and reignite the war. Hitler replacing Raeder as head of the Kriegsmarine with an SS officer results in the Kriegsmarine being all but annihilated, giving the Allies near uncontested control of the seas and enabling them to launch their invasions of Europe. The German razing of Paris and the USSR ultimately leads to the rest of the world severing ties with the regime with Spain, Portugal and Turkey all declaring war on the Third Reich. | |
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Sanity Has Advantages | |
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Sanity Has Advantages: Explored. Some of the most formidable troops for the Axis are in fact the remnants of the Heer who participated in the initial invasion of Europe in the 1940's, pressed back into service in their forties and fifties by 1958 with mostly obsolete weapons they used back then. Their methodical and rational approach to battle means that despite these disadvantages, the "old bastards" manage to perform well, even sometimes impressively against superior Allied forces. Meanwhile the SS and Hitler Youth forces made up of young men and kids brainwashed by Nazi propaganda and armed with modern weapons fight like maniacs with little regard for their safety or tactics, being scary to face but easy to beat. The Nazis' obsession with their supposed racial superiority and racist beliefs screw them in the long run. They get wrecked in a fight because their strategy wasn't based on anything rational: they thought the Polish soldiers were racial inferiors, and thus easy to beat. | |
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Omnicidal Maniac | |
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Omnicidal Maniac: Horrifyingly, the Nazis become this when pushed far enough. Unlike Hitler in real life, acting Führer Heinrich Himmler is under no delusion that the war is winnable once the Allies start steamrolling them out of France, and so he gives the order for all SS military forces to basically flee out of France across the Rhine and destroy everything and everyone unfortunate enough to be in the way as they leave, for the simple sake of it. Several irreplaceable cultural landmarks and artifacts are destroyed in their rampage along with tons of vital civilian infrastructure, and that's not mentioning the massive civilian loss of life. | |
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Feudal Overlord | |
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Feudal Overlord: Nazi officials and veterans were given landed estates in the East, with Slavic serfs bound to work. | |
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Everyone Has Standards | |
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Everyone Has Standards: After the nerve gas bombings in London, the Allies tell air crews that their next mission will involve civilian targets and they would permit anyone whose moral code would be violated to not take part. The Allied leadership expected a third of crews to drop out, but in the end less than one percent actually do. | |
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Epic Fail | |
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Epic Fail: The St. Patrick's Day Raids. During a de facto ceasefire, the Germans send hundreds of super-heavy bombers and thousands of airmen on a transatlantic bombing raid that has no purpose at all except massacring American and British civilians. The Luftwaffe force is almost totally destroyed in a Curb-Stomp Battle, with only a small fraction of the bombers getting to carry out their attacks before being shot down. In the end, the Germans lose four airmen for every civilian killed on the ground, and directly results in a renewed war that ends with the Reich's total dissolution. The entire thing is so shockingly stupid that it is generally attributed to Hitler finally losing it. | |
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You Have GOT to Be Kidding Me! | |
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You Have GOT to Be Kidding Me!: Many soldiers, as well as the In-Universe narrator, react to not only the scale of Nazi atrocities, but the insane degree of allegiance Nazi soldiers has to their government and the colossally inept decisions of the Nazi leadership. | |
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Ignored Expert | |
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Ignored Expert: Erich Raeder, the head of Kriegsmarine, urges Hitler to wait to challenge the Allies by sea, as their ships are woefully outclassed. Hitler responds by removing him from command and puts an SS officer in charge, and the Kriegsmarine is all but destroyed in battle with the Allies. | |
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Germanic Efficiency | |
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Germanic Efficiency: This is often zigzagged. On the one hand, the German war effort is unusually formidable despite the numerical odds, and the Nazi government does provide the German people a decent standard of living albeit through the brutal exploitation of much of Europe. On the other hand, the Nazis waste many of their resources and make numerous strategic blunders due to ideological inflexibility, racism, or just straight-up petty cruelty. | |
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A Nazi by Any Other Name | |
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A Nazi by Any Other Name: How the Western Allies come to view the French and, later, the New Homeland youth movement. | |
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Cutting the Knot | |
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Cutting the Knot: The Allies want to avoid a Stalingrad-style protracted urban combat meatgrinder, so the standard response when the Germans commit to the defense of a city is to simply pound the place to rubble. | |
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Willing Suspension of Disbelief | |
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Willing Suspension of Disbelief: Somehow, the author manages to maintain this, despite the Viet Cong and US Marines fighting together against the SS in Nazi-occupied France. | |
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Cannon Fodder | |
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Cannon Fodder: The Reich's attitude towards the "Pan-European" soldiers conscripted from its client states. | |
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The Alliance | |
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The Alliance: During the titular war, Brazil, India, and the Vietnamese play important roles alongside the US and UK in Europe. Post-war, the Alliance is codified as the Atomic Four (A4): America, the UK, Australia, and Canada. The A4's snub towards India causes it to become a peaceful rival for global influence. | |
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Child Soldiers | |
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Some of the most formidable troops for the Axis are in fact the remnants of the Heer who participated in the initial invasion of Europe in the 1940's, pressed back into service in their forties and fifties by 1958 with mostly obsolete weapons they used back then. Their methodical and rational approach to battle means that despite these disadvantages, the "old bastards" manage to perform well, even sometimes impressively against superior Allied forces. Meanwhile the SS and Hitler Youth forces made up of young men and kids brainwashed by Nazi propaganda and armed with modern weapons fight like maniacs with little regard for their safety or tactics, being scary to face but easy to beat. | |
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We ARE Struggling Together | |
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We ARE Struggling Together: While the members of the A4 are more or less committed to defeating the Nazis, they do have some disputes over methods. The British Prime Minister tried to attack the American secretary of state for suggesting a cooling-off period following the murder of members of the British royal family. | |
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Word of God | |
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However, the Nazi leadership often wastes those resources on idiotic white elephants. They also make foolish military decisions for no other reason than their obsession with their supposed racial superiority and promptly make themselves so hated they unite the entire world against them. Word of God states the Reich would have eventually collapsed on its own once it ran out of cheap resources to steal. | |
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Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better | |
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For instance, to stop a pro-German unification insurgency in Stettin (which they had already almost defeated through conventional means), the A4 hit the city with a 10-ton kinetic round launched from a mass driver on the Moon, impacting with the force of 57.5 kilotons. Stettin and its 275,000 inhabitants are wiped from the map. After that demonstration, the entire pro-unification movement collapses. | |
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Tank Goodness | |
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Tank Goodness: The Chamberlain tank certainly qualifies. To put in context, during the liberation of France 14 Chamberlains were employed by the 26th Tank Battalion to rout an SS tank group three times their size with only minor damage to one tank's tracks. Said tank still scored 26 kills. Also keep in mind that at this time, the Nazis are using Panther Mk.IIIs as their main battle tank. Not Panzer IIIs, Panther Mk.IIIs. A heavy armor and armament upgrade to the already fearsome and one of the most well known WWII Nazi tanks that would have made it HELL for the Allies in the original timeline. The Panther III still performs respectably in tank combat in this timeline, and early encounters with it were what persuaded the Allies to delay the invasion of France until they had built some comparable heavy tanks of their own. Eleven Maus tanks appear near the death throes of Nazi Germany. They're quickly beaten once their glaring performance and armor weaknesses are discovered. | |
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Nuclear Weapons Taboo | |
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Nuclear Weapons Taboo: Thoroughly averted in-universe. Nuclear weapons aren't treated as overly special weapons, and radiation doesn't gain the aura of danger it does OTL in the popular imagination. Their future development and use is, however, restricted by fiat to A4 members, although India maintains her own stockpile as a deterrent. | |
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Schmuck Bait | |
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Schmuck Bait: The Allies' "False Peak"* A reference to a mountain climber's term describing an optical illusion wherein a mountainface a climber is scaling is revealed, upon reaching the summit, to be a foothill or outcropping concealing an even taller peak beyond. strategy. An invasion site is chosen and bombarded with huge numbers of bombs, artillery shells, and naval guns for hours, targeting any infrastructure and coastal defense points. The sheer amount of materiel being used can only mean that a massive allied invasion is imminent, so the moment the bombardment stops, Germany rushes their quick reaction force to the site to meet them at the beaches and hold the line. Those divisions see landing craft on the horizon, speeding towards the coast, ready to discharge amphibious tanks and troop carriers to seize the beachheads. The ship bay doors open... revealing hundreds of concealed missile batteries that fire all at once, reducing everything on the beach down to their component atoms. The entire sequence was designed to get a crack German force into just the right place to be blown to smithereens without putting a single allied life at risk. The analysis goes that it should never have worked: The amount of ordinance needed was prohibitive, the delay between the bombings and the supposed invasion was too great, letting the targets reach the beaches just in a nick of time, all of it was too suspicious to an impartial outside observer. The Allies thought that it might work once if they were lucky, but the German strategic inflexibility meant that it worked not only once, but several times, enough so that by the time the real invasion came, the Allies could choose the most advantageous ports to land on without need of elaborate deception tactics. | |
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Break Out the Museum Piece | |
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Break Out the Museum Piece: The Nazis do this after realizing they are going to lose the war, using obsolete or captured tanks (and in some cases obsolete captured tanks). | |
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Richard Nixon, the Used Car Salesman | |
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Richard Nixon, the Used Car Salesman: Muammar Gaddafi is just a mere cab driver. Charles de Gaulle is the disgraced one time leader of Free France who was, perhaps unjustly, blamed for much of what befell France post-war. Died in Tangiers, in self imposed exile. Richard Nixon served two terms in House of Representative, one term as Governor of California, and Secretary of Veteran's Affairs during second Goldwater Administration. Unsuccessfully sought Republican nomination for President in 1976. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Navy Chaplin who died on Green Beach 2 and was awarded a Navy Cross posthumously. Nikita Khrushchev died at Stalingrad Kim Il-Sung dies in insane asylum Saddam Hussein served as a Captain in the Arab Legion Ronald Reagan serves six terms as President of Screen Actor's Guild. Elvis Presley was reported as MIA after the loss of a B-52 where he was a tail-gunner, later being declared KIA 1972. Earl Warren was a three Term Governor of California, later being a Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. George Wallace serves as a Captain in the Alabama National Guard, later killed in action near Bremerhaven. Jim Jones died from being struck by a bus in October 1955. Nelson Mandela was killed by South African authorities during the 1985 Revolution. Clement Attlee serves as Prime Minister of Britain from 1947 to 1950, later serving against from 1953 to 1955. Fidel Castro plays for the Boston Red Sox and is an 186 game winner. The Beatles never become popular if not never forming at all in this world. Margaret Thatcher was a Senior Research Chemist at DuPont UK. Golda Meir was a Zionist political leader, later returning to her childhood hometown of Milwaukee when the efforts to establish State of Israel sponsored by the UN Right of Self Determination failed. Later became Lt. Governor of Wisconsin from 1970-1974. Augusto Pinochet was a Chilean Army officer and politician who attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government of Chile. He ended up serving 12 years in prison for his failed Coup attempt, later attempting to run for political office with little success. John McCain graduates Annapolis in 1958. His service record includes 53 combat missions over Germany in the closing months of war. Nominated for Navy Cross during the Korean Intervention, and was awarded Silver Star. Later became a member of Arizona's House of Representatives, representing the state's 12th District from 1994 to 2008. | |
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Hypocrite | |
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Hypocrite: The Nazis call the Allies "butchers" for bombing (and nuking and anthraxing) Germany, but ignore their own crimes against humanity across the continent of Europe and don't bat an eye at murdering entire German towns for "cowardice" (i.e. trying to surrender). | |
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Screw This, I'm Outta Here | |
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Screw This, I'm Outta Here: After Mussolini's death from a heart attack in 1953, Italy spends years secretly negotiating with the allies, finally leaving the Axis camp and surrendering on December 5th, 1958. This comes just a month after Himmler's mobilization of this "Victory" forces, and the last remnants of the Italian army who aren't demobilized are those who remain near the northern border, ironically supplemented by American and Brazilian troops based out of Sardinia. Needless to say, the SS cracks down on all the remaining satellite states in Europe and Germany even wastes ten highly valuable rockets just to destroy Rome, Genoa and Florence in retaliation. | |
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Spin-Off | |
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Spin-Off: An Anglo-American Nazi War ISOT, where the Nazis from in-universe, prior to the St. Patrick's Day Raids, are transported to our world in 2014. | |
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Hand Wave | |
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Hand Wave: The author willingly admits that the Reich's victory over the Soviet Union is a bit of a stretch, even given Stalin's enraged purge of his generals after losing at Stalingrad, but there would be no story otherwise, so... | |
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Argentina Is Nazi-Land | |
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Argentina Is Nazi-Land: Utterly averted. The Nazis become so hated that they aren't even welcome in South America. | |
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Monumental Damage | |
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Monumental Damage: In their retreat from occupied Europe, the Nazis deliberately target landmarks and other cultural artifacts for destruction so as to deprive postwar Europe of its cultural heritage. | |
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Culture Chop Suey | |
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Culture Chop Suey: With Algeria granted independence by its wartime British occupiers instead of having to fight a bloody war of independence against France (and with France itself utterly devastated by Nazi bioweapons and Allied nuclear weapons), the pieds-noirs remain in independent Algeria, thus making it a bicultural state. | |
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History Repeats | |
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History Repeats: Just 93 years after unifying, Germany is once again split into multiple states by the Treaty of Barcelona. | |
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May It Never Happen Again | |
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May It Never Happen Again: Once the Allies end World War 2, they become determined to ensure that a conflict of its sheer scale can never happen again. This means permanently dividing Germany into 15 districts, and orbitally bombarding the city of Stettin, killing 275,000 people, because there was an armed bid at reunification within its borders. | |
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Hate Sink | |
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Hate Sink: Unsurprisingly, the Nazis, due to their mindlessly destructive and cruel actions. It is little wonder that the Allies forcibly broke the German nation up postwar. At one point, a nuclear commander resigns when his request to drop a nuke on Hitler's funeral is denied. | |
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Alternate-History Nazi Victory | |
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Alternate-History Nazi Victory: A more realistic and unique example. While the Nazis do defeat the Soviets, they don't go on to invade and conquer Britain and then the world. Instead, the war is stalemated and they hold control over continental Europe. Temporarily, at least. | |
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Point of Divergence | |
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Point of Divergence: Hitler, in a moment of clarity, decides invading North Africa would be a bad idea. So the 250,000 German troops who would have been used up in the doomed Axis campaign in ended up at the Battle of Stalingrad… so the Nazis, not the Soviets, won. So this leads to the Nazis defeating the Soviet Union in 1943. | |
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Kill It with Water | |
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Kill It with Water: The Nazis destroy the dike system that protects the Netherlands from the North Sea, contaminating much of their farmland with salt water and destroying their economy. | |
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Fascist, but Inefficient | |
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Fascist, but Inefficient: This is zigzagged regarding the Nazis: On the one hand, they manage to build a degree of prosperity for the German people in the early 1950s, albeit through the ruthless plunder of Europe. However, the Nazi leadership often wastes those resources on idiotic white elephants. They also make foolish military decisions for no other reason than their obsession with their supposed racial superiority and promptly make themselves so hated they unite the entire world against them. Word of God states the Reich would have eventually collapsed on its own once it ran out of cheap resources to steal. This is played straighter with Molotov's Soviet Union: Molotov can't coordinate what meager forces he has to fight the Nazis because he has to spend much of his time and energy keeping his hold on dictatorial power. When the Nazis obliterate his power base, Soviet Siberia collapses into anarchy with dozens of factions competing for power. | |
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The Generation Gap | |
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The Generation Gap: By the 2000s, European teens in the former Reich protest the unfairness of them being held to account for the crimes of their grandparents. When the Prussian wing of this movement makes an armed bid for independence and reunification, they convince the A4 to bomb them from orbit. | |
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Suicide Attack | |
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Suicide Attack: As the Allies steamroll through occupied Europe, the increasingly desperate and irrational Nazis begin employing suicide bombers. Some are the more fanatical SS troops, and horrifically, some are members of fascist youth organizations as young as 12 years old. The latter become known as "Banzai Bunnies" to Allied troops. | |
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War Is Hell | |
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War Is Hell: The Four Horsemen gallop through Japan into 1946, then throw quite a hell of a party in Europe until 1960. | |
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Evil Cannot Comprehend Good | |
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Evil Cannot Comprehend Good/Psychological Projection: The Nazis are puzzled by the fact that "the English" deign to waste valuable medical supplies on the wounded among their Indian "slave troops", i.e. that the English don't treat them like Cannon Fodder, as the Nazis do with their own "Pan-European" auxiliaries. It just doesn't occur to them that the English don't actually buy into the whole "Master Race" bullshit. | |
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The Remnant | |
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The Remnant: Israel never comes to be in this timeline because there aren't enough surviving European Jews left to populate a small town, never mind build a country. Post-war estimates suggest the figure is in the low thousands. | |
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Forever War | |
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Forever War: The European theatre of World War II officially lasts a grand total of 7,499 days, or over 20 years and six months. And that's only the war aspect, not even counting pockets of resistance or holdouts who continue fighting long afterward. | |
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Well-Intentioned Extremist | |
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Well-Intentioned Extremist: The A4 (post-war alliance of the United States, Canada, the UK and Australia) will do just about anything to prevent World War III. | |
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Evil Is Petty | |
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Evil Is Petty: As the war comes to a close, the Nazis devote a ridiculous amount of resources for no other purpose than effecting horror onto the people of Europe, and is compared In-Universe to a divorced husband who destroys his assets just so his wife can't have them. Special mention goes to the deployment of the Fieseler 362 missiles, an upgraded form of the V1 rocket that has greater range, speed and a compartment that can hold a CBU dispenser. These weapons are easily years ahead of what the Allies have and are noted as being difficult to make, with only sixteen manufactured before the Ukrainian factory that made them was destroyed. And after all that, Himmler orders that only six of them be targeted at useful military installations in England, while the remaining ten are launched at Rome, Genoa and Florence in retaliation for Italy surrendering to the Allies. | |
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Shown Their Work | |
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Shown Their Work: Hell yes. The author went out of his way to research every nook and cranny for the timeline. | |
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