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The Guns of the South

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The Guns of the South	comment	The Guns of the South is a Science Fiction Alternate History novel by Harry Turtledove, set during The American Civil War.In January of 1864 the Army of Northern Virginia is in winter quarters at Orange Court House, trying to deal with its massive supply problems and the looming specter of defeat when operations resume come spring. General Lee is approached by a strange man with a strange name, who wishes to show the General a new breech-loading repeating rifle, with an unmatched rate of fire, which he claims to be able to deliver in almost endless quantities. He calls his weapon an AK-47...Needless to say, the Confederacy wins the war pretty handily and gains its independence. The book follows the war, and the aftermath, from the perspectives of General Lee and Nathaniel Caudell, a Nashville Schoolteacher and First Sergeant of the 47th North Carolina. Notably, the war itself occupies only the first third or so of the novel, with the remainder focusing on the development of the Confederacy as a nation and how both Lee and Caudell are forced to change their thinking as time progresses.
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The Guns of the South / int_112daba0	comment	Retired Badass: When the Rivington men attack Lee's inauguration, several civilians pick up weapons dropped by slain bodyguards and shoot back. When Jefferson Davis calls for a guard for Lee, the narration remarks that it's probably the highest-ranking guard in history since several generals came in order to see one of their own take office. Jubal Early, one of Lee's most aggressive generals - whom Lee liked to call his "bad old man" - is killed while charging the AWB with pistol in hand, and Jeb Stuart is wounded in the same incident. It's not recorded whether Stuart survived, but in real history he was gut-shot at the Battle of Yellow Tavern in May 1864 and died the following day.
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The Guns of the South / int_125eb76c	type	This Is My Boomstick
The Guns of the South / int_125eb76c	comment	This Is My Boomstick: This trope is heavily Deconstructed. The AWB present many future devices to the Confederates, but until explanations start coming out, much of it is accepted as simply an advanced part of their own world; this produces a funny moment early on, for example, when Rhoodie is somewhat disappointed that Lee isn't very impressed by his dehydrated MREsnote As Lee points out, the US military has desiccated vegetables, but not whole meals (and what they did have was of dubious quality, leading to wisecracks about "desecrated" vegetables. It is not until Rhoodie explicitly states that he is from the future that Lee even begins to suspect such an event. While working with 1860s level technology, the brilliant General Gorgas is able to reverse engineer the AK 47 from scratch. Just because the Confederates live in the "past" doesn't mean they're stupid, and the Rivington men are from only 150 years in the future, so they're not using ray-guns or hover-tanks that might seem like magic. Instead, Lee pretty much recognizes their tech as reasonable advances on technologies they already have. The explicit comparison Lee uses is wondering what a general in the Napoleonic wars, fifty years ago, would have predicted about advances in technology by Lee's time: steam-trains alone have drastically altered the mobility of warfare, to a level that would have shocked Napoleon, but the basic technology behind steam-trains did exist in prototype form at the time. (Speaking of trains, this leads to an amusing moment when Lee, while conversing with Rhoodie about the wonders of the future, mentally speculates whether every town in 2014 has railroad tracks running down every street - not, of course, knowing about streetcars and trams, which were in widespread use less than half a century after the Civil War.) But then there are one or two examples of things the Confederates don't really have an equivalent for, such as computers. Turtledove is reportedly not a fan of this trope in general and dissects it in several of his stories, including this novel, his Worldwar series, and the short story A Death in Vesuna.
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The Guns of the South / int_13646b1b	type	My Friends... and Zoidberg
The Guns of the South / int_13646b1b	comment	My Friends... and Zoidberg: The Confederates repeatedly refer to the Federal commissioners as "Our honored guests, and Gen. Butler" or words to that effect (Lee calls them "the gentlemen and Mr. Butler" at one point, for example). They feel that Butler's actions during the war merit far worse (the South pledged to hang him without a trial, in fact), and limit themselves to such zingers because he now has diplomatic immunity.
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The Guns of the South / int_1501e2dd	type	Hero Antagonist
The Guns of the South / int_1501e2dd	comment	Hero Antagonist: Abraham Lincoln is the President of the United States of America, and is the main obstacle in the first act due to opposing the Confederacy's attempts to rebel in the name of maintaining slavery.
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The Guns of the South / int_1616e13	type	Ripped from the Headlines
The Guns of the South / int_1616e13	comment	The readers are perfectly aware from the start that Rhoodie is not only a time traveller, but also a sinister one. The Confederates spend most of the book completely oblivious to this, welcoming him and his men with open arms. Also, when the book came out in the early 90s, people were far more familiar with AWB, so the fact that Rhoodie's coffee mug in the very first chapter has their logo and the abbreviation on it was making it all that more obvious who he is and what he really wants.
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The Guns of the South / int_191a3673	type	Graceful Loser
The Guns of the South / int_191a3673	comment	Graceful Loser: After Lee wins the 1867 elections, Forrest goes to his house to personally concede — a deliberate contrast to their first meeting, also at Lee's house, where their vocal disagreement over slavery led to Lee asking Forrest to leave. Forrest says that he still disagrees with Lee politically, but not personally, and he wants to make sure that Lee understands this; Lee is more than happy in this regard, since he doesn't like the idea of personal enemies.
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The Guns of the South / int_1994ba0b	type	Gone Horribly Right
The Guns of the South / int_1994ba0b	comment	Gone Horribly Right: The Afrikaaners set out to change the Civil War, hoping to create a country that hates black people as much as they do. While the Confederacy does win the war, they end slavery in a gradual, peaceful manner that will more than likely ensure better race relations in the future, to say nothing of the idea that the two American nations might re-unite somewhere down the line.
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The Guns of the South / int_1e4a1e0e	type	I Owe You My Life
The Guns of the South / int_1e4a1e0e	comment	I Owe You My Life: The reason Henry Pleasants is so loyal to Nate Caudell, as he explains later. Pleasants lost his wife in childbirth, later joining the Army in the hopes that he'd be killed and could join her in the next life. Caudell showing up and convincing him to move South gave him a new purpose in life, as well as the chance to deal with the pain of losing his family in a more constructive manner.
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The Guns of the South / int_1ed05659	type	No Hero to His Valet
The Guns of the South / int_1ed05659	comment	No Hero to His Valet: Lee's wife does believe him a national hero, but is also understandably disillusioned with how little he can be present for her and their family, with the duty of serving the nation always foremost on his mind.
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The Guns of the South / int_1fc8335e	type	Deal with the Devil
The Guns of the South / int_1fc8335e	comment	Deal with the Devil: Lee knows that the Confederacy is making one with AWB when they accept Rhoodies' help, and actually reflects on the story of the last temptation of Jesus. Unfortunately, even though he sees the trap, the South is desperate. When Lee and the AWB began to break apart, Rhoodie tries to tempt Lee again, this time with the offer of medicine to heal his crippled wife. Lee finds the temptation almost too great to refuse, but this time he does refuse.
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The Guns of the South / int_20860a0e	type	Punch-Clock Villain
The Guns of the South / int_20860a0e	comment	Punch-Clock Villain: Ben Butler opens the negotiations between the USA and the CSA by uttering an antisemitic remark intended to infuriate Judah P. Benjamin. When Benjamin coolly deflects the insult, Lee is surprised to see that Butler does not seem upset, and then realizes that Butler does not actually care that Benjamin is Jewish, he had only uttered the insult as a ploy to open negotiations. Lee is repulsed at such calculated effrontery, but recognizes that it reflects Butler's sharp mind and political drive.
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The Guns of the South / int_213dc284	type	Closest Thing We Got
The Guns of the South / int_213dc284	comment	Closest Thing We Got: Avram Goldfarb is a Jewish immigrant from Aachen, who spend large part of his life doing cross-border trade between Prussia and the Netherlands. As such, he's the best qualified person in Richmond to understand and translate Afrikaans, even if he struggles, complains and curses how "this is Dutch spelled as if the devil had written it, and I must sometimes guess what it means".
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The Guns of the South / int_2231e5b7	type	Parodied
The Guns of the South / int_2231e5b7	comment	The general idea is Parodied with the main hotel built in Rivington, the Notahilton.
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The Guns of the South / int_280973fd	type	Future Society, Present Values
The Guns of the South / int_280973fd	comment	Future Society, Present Values: The novel was first published in 1992, and the AWB men act more like they come from that time period, rather than 2014-2018. It should be noted, however, that the only AWB men whose ages are mentioned are in their mid-late forties, and as such are just the right age to have joined a pro-Apartheid militia group right before it ended.
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The Guns of the South / int_28c40e81	type	Trapped in the Past
The Guns of the South / int_28c40e81	comment	In an ironic twist of fate, the AWB men, who first showed up in the past to preserve the Confederacy as a slave-owning state, end up Trapped in the Past and given a "choice": death by hanging for treason and political assasination, or being reduced to enslaved technicians and experts on as much future knowledge and technology as they can explain. Benny Lang even points out the similarity of the Germans captured by the Soviets after the WW2.
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The Guns of the South / int_2a035a26	type	Allohistorical Allusion
The Guns of the South / int_2a035a26	comment	Allohistorical Allusion: When Lee and Ulysses S. Grant meet after the armistice, they briefly discuss their previous meeting during the Mexican-American War. At the real-life surrender of Lee to Grant at Appomattox, the two of them had also reminisced about their first meeting to briefly put off the primary subject of the meeting. Forrest's Trees, Nathan Bedford Forrest's supporters in the 1867 election, are loosely modeled after the Ku Klux Klan (notably wearing robes and peaked hoods), which Forrest helped found in our real universe. An In-Universe version happens late in the book, when the Confederates are invading Rivington, General Forrest calls a cease-fire to try and get the AWB to surrender. When Andres Rhoodie refuses to back down, Forrest says that he's more than willing to overrun the AWB with sheer numbers, a strategy that worked for the Union "until you came along". This goes over the heads of all the nearby Confederates except Nate Caudell, who read the Picture History of the Civil War and realizes that Forrest is talking about how the war went in the other timeline.
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The Guns of the South / int_2a090d00	type	Lampshade Hanging
The Guns of the South / int_2a090d00	comment	Along with being the premise of the novel itself, it is actually meta-lampshaded in the first chapter by the characters themselves:
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The Guns of the South / int_2ae29c0d	type	The Dreaded
The Guns of the South / int_2ae29c0d	comment	The Dreaded: Nathan Bedford Forrest strikes fear into the heart of all men, black and white. His Hot-Blooded nature and unrefined ways are big part of it, as nobody can be ever sure what the general will do when angered.
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The Guns of the South / int_2b706ca	type	More Dakka
The Guns of the South / int_2b706ca	comment	More Dakka: The AK-47 isn't as impressive as some other examples, but it's so far beyond the capabilities of anything being brought to the field in 1864 that once it's introduced it gives this impression off to the Union soldiers who end up facing it. When AWB breaks with the Confederacy and attempt to kill Lee, they deploy Uzis and machineguns in their attacks and defenses, respectively, which outguns the Southerners badly.
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The Guns of the South / int_319e4a2f	type	Even Evil Has Standards
The Guns of the South / int_319e4a2f	comment	Even Evil Has Standards: Even the other Rivington men look down upon Piet Hardie, who is a sexual abuser of some kind and is even harsher on his slaves than they are. His depredations drove a slave to suicide after a failed runaway attempt ensure that no white prostitute in Rivington will serve him, although we never get specific details.
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The Guns of the South / int_34dcfc96	type	Kick the Dog
The Guns of the South / int_34dcfc96	comment	Kick the Dog: Benny Lang destroys whatever goodwill he might have built up with the readers in the first couple of chapters by going berserk when he sees a black Confederate auxiliary with an AK-47 and does everything in his power to get it taken away; this leads to the man running away and getting shot dead by a picket guarding the border. A little earlier, he literally kicks slaves for unloading too slowly. Some Confederates, much to Lee's consternation, see nothing wrong in enslaving or killing black POWs that served the Union.
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The Guns of the South / int_35022c20	type	No Plans, No Prototype, No Backup
The Guns of the South / int_35022c20	comment	No Plans, No Prototype, No Backup: Colonel Gorgias notes the AK-47 is such a leap in design that there should be a lineage of weapons making incremental improvement between it and their guns, but it seems to have appeared fully-formed out of nowhere, and even a less efficient prototype to the AK-47 would far outclass any weapon currently wielded by either the Union or Confederate Armies. However, the Confederates are to develop their own versions by imitating it, and once they capture some, the Union quickly catch up too.
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The Guns of the South / int_3b113b7	type	Character Development
The Guns of the South / int_3b113b7	comment	Character Development: The book's two focus characters, Robert E. Lee and Nate Caudell, both gradually accept blacks as regular people over the course of the story. After seeing regiments of black soldiers and later guerillas holding off General Forrest, Lee comes to realize that blacks are inferior to whites only by circumstance. Meanwhile, Caudell's interactions with individual blacks lets him see them as people and not just a faceless mass, and seeing the harsh treatment they suffer for the crime of "existing while black" chafes his sense of justice.
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The Guns of the South / int_3c5ae1a1	type	Schizo Tech
The Guns of the South / int_3c5ae1a1	comment	Schizo Tech: More elements of future technology are introduced throughout the book, sometimes quietly slipping into Confederate society and sometimes being glaringly out of place.
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The Guns of the South / int_3d2c6d30	type	Skewed Priorities
The Guns of the South / int_3d2c6d30	comment	Skewed Priorities: Slavery is looked at as a skewed priority from both sides. When Lee talks to Lincoln, he says that he couldn't go against his home state of Virginia. Lincoln chuckles that Lee acts as if that explains everything and Lee is confused as, from his viewpoint, it does. General Lee and several other members of the Confederacy do not understand why the rest of the world is so intensely focused on the sole issue of slavery. To them, the world's condemnation of the Confederacy for slavery while ignoring all of its other merits is a bizarre fixation. The rest of the world condemns the Confederacy for slavery and view all of their other lofty and philosophical claims to fall by the wayside of this singular horror. At several times they point out that the Confederacy's proud claims are false within their own borders.
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The Guns of the South / int_3e8d9cd3	type	Historical Hero Upgrade
The Guns of the South / int_3e8d9cd3	comment	Historical Hero Upgrade: While the second Act of the novel treats him as the primary antagonist, Nathan Bedford Forrest receives surprisingly sympathetic treatment for being a founder of the Ku Klux Klan (which he noticeably doesn't do in the revised timeline, given that the South wins, although his political supporters "Forrest's Trees" wear similar outfits as an Allohistorical Allusion).
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The Guns of the South / int_453871ec	type	What Could Have Been
The Guns of the South / int_453871ec	comment	What Could Have Been:invoked Along with being the premise of the novel itself, it is actually meta-lampshaded in the first chapter by the characters themselves: This is something of a Running Gag with Turtledove; when Lee and Lincoln run into each other in 1865, Lincoln says he might write a book about how things would have been better if Lee and the South hadn't won. An acknowledged moment occurs when Lee reads the Picture History of the Civil War and sees that in the original timeline, Lincoln was killed on Good Friday of 1865; Lee shudders when he remembers that he spoke to Lincoln on that day.
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The Guns of the South / int_4604fd4d	type	Worthy Opponent
The Guns of the South / int_4604fd4d	comment	Worthy Opponent: A common theme is the story is that even you can find yourself respecting your opponent, even if you disagree with their cause. Lee has several, including Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and later Nathan Bedford Forrest. Lee also comes to feel this way about the black soldiers fielded by the US, who later become guerilla rebels after the South wins the war. Seeing them fight with the same courage and spirit as white soldiers goes a long way to convincing him to support freeing the slaves entirely.
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The Guns of the South / int_469e3e2f	type	In-Universe
The Guns of the South / int_469e3e2f	comment	An In-Universe version happens late in the book, when the Confederates are invading Rivington, General Forrest calls a cease-fire to try and get the AWB to surrender. When Andres Rhoodie refuses to back down, Forrest says that he's more than willing to overrun the AWB with sheer numbers, a strategy that worked for the Union "until you came along". This goes over the heads of all the nearby Confederates except Nate Caudell, who read the Picture History of the Civil War and realizes that Forrest is talking about how the war went in the other timeline.
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The Guns of the South / int_474a2a5e	type	Cultural Posturing
The Guns of the South / int_474a2a5e	comment	Cultural Posturing: After Ben Butler makes a snide remark about the Confederates trying to "jew" money out of the US, Judah Benjamin (who actually is Jewish) responds with "While your ancestors were boar-hunting cavemen, mine were princes of the Earth". This is based on an actual rejoinder made to an anti-Semite in Parliament by Benjamin Disraeli.
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The Guns of the South / int_498a6a21	type	Badass Teacher
The Guns of the South / int_498a6a21	comment	Badass Teacher: Nate Caudell, though he would definitely not consider himself as such.
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The Guns of the South / int_4a30bc29	type	Coincidental Dodge
The Guns of the South / int_4a30bc29	comment	Coincidental Dodge: Robert E. Lee benefits from this twice during the story. During the Missouri and Kentucky voting campaign, he barely avoids an escaped slave's assassination attempt, though Lee himself also attributes the fact that the man shot at him through a window that was reflecting the bright morning sun. Years later, during his inaugural address as President, his hat gets blown off by the wind and he stoops down to pick it up just as a Rivington man attempts to snipe him.
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The Guns of the South / int_4e324321	type	Single-Issue Wonk
The Guns of the South / int_4e324321	comment	Single-Issue Wonk: The AWB members only care about one thing, and that's making sure black people stay on the bottom rung of society. Anything else they do is in support of this singular goal. During the Confederate election of 1867, one of Robert E. Lee's talking points is that he plans on rebuilding the South's shattered economy and infrastructure, while Nathan Bedford Forrest only has "one drum to beat", namely the slavery issue.
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The Guns of the South / int_5313c266	type	Bookends
The Guns of the South / int_5313c266	comment	Book Ends: The book begins with General Lee drafting a letter to President Davis when he is interrupted by Rhoodie and his AK-47 demonstration. The last chapter has President Lee drafting a letter to British Minister Lyons, and is interrupted by a crowd of reporters informing him that his repeal of slavery has just passed in the Confederate Senate.
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The Guns of the South / int_543a0278	comment	Villain Respect: In the run-up to the election, Nate meets Forrest and Forrest asks if Nate will vote for him. Nate says that he'll stand by Lee, whom he followed to Washington. Forrest gives him a nod of approval, saying that it's nice to meet a man whose loyal and not afraid to show it.
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The Guns of the South / int_54d6f53f	type	Ripple-Effect-Proof Memory
The Guns of the South / int_54d6f53f	comment	Ripple-Effect-Proof Memory: Lampshaded and Discussed by Rhoodie and Lee after the former admits that he and his comrades come from the future. Rhoodie notes that his information will no longer be of use to the Confederates once things change too much from the (for lack of a better analogy, though Rhoodie's wording is different) "original history" due to the AWB's influence.
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The Guns of the South / int_5628a3	type	Vindicated by History
The Guns of the South / int_5628a3	comment	Vindicated by History: In-Universe, the Confederates were convinced that while slavery was far from ideal, future generations would recognize that it was the best way for blacks and whites to co-exist. The Picture History of the Civil War shows the exact opposite, which causes a lot of people to rethink their stances on slavery and helps President Lee pass a bill that will abolish slavery over time.
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The Guns of the South / int_56698261	type	Our Time Travel Is Different
The Guns of the South / int_56698261	comment	Our Time Travel Is Different: The time machine used is a square platform, a few meters in size, that travels forwards and backwards exactly 150 years. It dematerializes travelers in much the same way as the transporter in Star Trek.
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The Guns of the South / int_58273a71	type	Set Wrong What Was Once Made Right
The Guns of the South / int_58273a71	comment	The book also deconstructs Set Wrong What Was Once Made Right; the racist Afrikaners want an independent Confederacy in the hopes that apartheid South Africa would have a strong ally in the future. However, they find to their chagrin that while many Southerners are racists and white supremacists who look down on people of color, they are put off by the rabidly reactionary mindset of the AWB, and the more pragmatic Southern establishment would reject their hardline behavior as detrimental to the nation. Lee is extremely unhappy to discover that the AWB was planning to use his people as a pawn. Even the strongest ally of the Afrikaners, Nathan Bedford Forrest, turns on them after seeing their horribly treasonous behavior.
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The Guns of the South / int_588d766f	type	BlackAndGreyMorality
The Guns of the South / int_588d766f	comment	Black-and-Grey Morality: The AWB are vicious, wretched slavers who wish to ensure white supremacy. But most whites are still pro-slavery and/or anti-black, and even the nicest characters in the book are still somewhat patronizing toward black people. The man who takes the AWB down is the already brutal and racist Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was appalled by their treasonous behavior. And while General Lee ends slavery, black people in the Confederacy still don't have equal rights.
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The Guns of the South / int_5aa8d3d8	type	Friendly Enemy
The Guns of the South / int_5aa8d3d8	comment	Friendly Enemy: Abraham Lincoln, despite losing the Southern states (and much of his reputation) and in despair over the permanent breakup of the Union, remains genial toward Robert E. Lee, offering him advice about governing, and sending him condolences after the AWB kill his wife Mary. General Grant, as well, remains genial toward Lee, while disagreeing over his decision to fight for the Confederacy. The two work together to keep the peace in Kentucky as it votes to secede from the Union as well.
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The Guns of the South / int_5ac34441	type	Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp"
The Guns of the South / int_5ac34441	comment	Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp": The Confederates do not know the names for much of the future technology they encounter, and come up with their own names. They refer to a belt-fed machine gun as an 'endless repeater' and a computer as a 'qwerty', after the letters on the keyboard. MREs are known as "desiccated meals", based on similarities to their own desiccated vegetables. Since the AWB are from South Africa, they occasionally slip into Afrikaner terms for things and have to correct themselves. The most notable is calling black people kaffirs, especially when they're angry.
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The Guns of the South / int_5d9b8c3a	type	Femme Fatale Spy
The Guns of the South / int_5d9b8c3a	comment	Femme Fatale Spy: Molly Bean is not an intentional spy, but after the war she becomes a favored bed mate of several of the Rivington men and stumbles across many of their secrets. When she ultimately finds herself in possession of a history book from the future, she smuggles it out of Rivington and brings to Robert E. Lee.
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The Guns of the South / int_617f0563	type	Heelâ€“Face Turn
The Guns of the South / int_617f0563	comment	This is also the reason given for Gen. Forrest's Heel–Face Turn at the end of the book. He claims he'd never known the true depths of the AWB.
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The Guns of the South / int_638b65bc	type	Armor Is Useless
The Guns of the South / int_638b65bc	comment	Armor Is Useless: Averted. An AWB member wearing a bullet-proof vest in the assault on Washington survives a point-blank bullet to the chest, to the shock of the Confederate soldiers fighting with him. When AWB tries to assassinate Lee, the assailants are all wearing bullet-proof vests, necessitating headshots to kill them. One of them, who is taken alive, has been severely wounded in the legs and tells Lee that he'd rather be hanged than have his legs amputated.
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The Guns of the South / int_63b02752	type	Hair-Trigger Temper
The Guns of the South / int_63b02752	comment	Hair-Trigger Temper: Nathan Bedford Forrest, as in real life, with the book even referencing an infamous incident where he stabbed a man to death with a pen knife. He's shown getting quite angry a few times in the book, such as when Robert E. Lee questions the Rivington mens' loyalty to the South, and during the Battle of Rivington when Andres Rhoodie calls him predictable, which causes Forrest to almost violate the cease-fire and kill him on the spot.
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The Guns of the South / int_6760ff37	type	Secret Secret-Keeper
The Guns of the South / int_6760ff37	comment	Secret Secret-Keeper: Nate and Molly assume he's the only one in their unit who knows "Melvin" is really a woman. When Molly rejoins the unit to take on the Rivington men, Nate is worried her growth will expose her. When their commander cracks "Melvin, haven't you grown a beard yet?" Nate realizes the man (and probably several other officers with the unit) had figured out the truth long ago but kept quiet out of respect for Molly's bravery.
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The Guns of the South / int_697b5232	type	Those Wacky Nazis
The Guns of the South / int_697b5232	comment	Those Wacky Nazis: As previously mentioned, the AWB is what remains of the South African branch of the National Socialist Party, kiddies.
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The Guns of the South / int_6bccf2ba	type	Supreme Chef
The Guns of the South / int_6bccf2ba	comment	Supreme Chef: Henry Pleasants' cook, Hattie. A hotel owner later tries to buy her, only to learn (to his disgust) that she's a freedwoman. Richard Dabney, the caterer in Richmond. No-one who's anyone in Richmond dares throw a party of any size without having him on the payroll.
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The Guns of the South / int_6cb4cb70	type	Improperly Placed Firearms
The Guns of the South / int_6cb4cb70	comment	Improperly Placed Firearms: Justified, and the whole point of the book. Turtledove wanted to explore an alternate history with anachronistic weaponry.
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The Guns of the South / int_6ec80360	type	Science at the Speed of Plot
The Guns of the South / int_6ec80360	comment	Science at the Speed of Plot: Averted and lampshaded. When Colonel Gorgas states his disappointment at not being able to figure out smokeless powder, General Lee bluntly states that The Smart Guy having the Applied Phlebotinum rejiggered and ready exactly when The Hero needs it is something that only happens in novels, and that he does not share Gorgas' disappointment in any way.
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The Guns of the South / int_729c69f3	type	Politically Incorrect Villain
The Guns of the South / int_729c69f3	comment	Politically Incorrect Villain: The Rivington men just have "evil racist scum" written all over them. Given they're fanatical members of the AWB (in English, Afrikaner Resistance Movement), an offshoot of the National Socialist Party that is so racist they were actually banned in apartheid-era South Africa in real life, this isn't surprising.
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The Guns of the South / int_730c2e3	type	Void Between the Worlds
The Guns of the South / int_730c2e3	comment	Void Between the Worlds: During the book's climax, Nate Caudell destroys the Rivington mens' time machine while one of them is in the middle of "beaming" back to the future. As he escapes the burning building he briefly wonders what happened to the man, if he was dumped off in another time period or if he was stranded in a time limbo, but the book never resolves the question for obvious reasons.
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The Guns of the South / int_7315fd38	type	Covers Always Lie
The Guns of the South / int_7315fd38	comment	Covers Always Lie: Harry Turtledove had heard the cover of another author's book described as being as anachronistic as Robert E. Lee holding an Uzi. Afterwards, he wrote this book to explain how such a thing might come to pass.
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The Guns of the South / int_745a226c	type	Easy Logistics
The Guns of the South / int_745a226c	comment	Easy Logistics: Averted. The difficulties of supplying an army in the field come up a number of times, both for soldiers of the time and the AWB — when Lee asks if the AWB can also supply rations, Rhoodie admits that his people only really anticipated shipping weapons and ammunition and will need some time to work out the logistics, but they do eventually get MREs and other supplies for the Confederates. At one point, after having a violent disagreement with Rhoodie over taking black Union soldiers as prisoners of war instead of killing them, Lee worries that the Rivington men might cut off the Army of Northern Virginia's cartridge supply and seriously contemplates having some soldiers return to the scene of the previous battle - in the Wilderness - to retrieve as many cartridge cases as they can; however, Rhoodie, recognizing that he needs Lee and his army to bring the AWB's plans to fruition, thinks better and a few days later the next supply trains from Rivington arrive at Orange Court House, the ANV's supply head, on schedule.
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The Guns of the South / int_76db0ef5	type	Slobs Versus Snobs
The Guns of the South / int_76db0ef5	comment	Slobs Versus Snobs: A running theme of the book is how slavery interacts with the socioeconomic status of Southern whites. As Lee - quite possibly the Confederacy's richest (non-time-traveling) man - begins leaning more toward abolitionism, both the Rivington men and Forrest accuse him of highhandedly dictating how poorer whites should treat blacks. On the other side of the coin, Caudell's old squadmate Dempsey Eure mocks the town mayor for touting Forrest's pro-slavery stance, when most of the town is too poor to even think about owning a slave.
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The Guns of the South / int_77eeb348	type	The Big Bad Shuffle
The Guns of the South / int_77eeb348	comment	The Big Bad Shuffle: The title of main antagonist shifts over the course of the book. The first act antagonist is Abraham Lincoln, opposing the Confederate protagonists' bid for independence. The second act antagonist is Nathan Bedford Forrest, Lee's main opponent in the 1867 presidential election. The third act antagonist is Andries Rhoodie, leader of the AWB and instigator of the plot to maintain white supremacy.
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The Guns of the South / int_78410584	type	She Is Not My Girlfriend
The Guns of the South / int_78410584	comment	She Is Not My Girlfriend: After Nate Caudell returns home, he starts exchanging letters with Molly Bean. Raeford Liles, who handles Nashville's mail, repeatedly teases him about having a "sweetheart", which Nate always denies. His attitude changes over time, and at the end of the book they get married; at the wedding Liles gently teases Nate by bringing all this up, and Nate responds that he's glad he was wrong.
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The Guns of the South / int_79974fb8	type	Rock Beats Laser
The Guns of the South / int_79974fb8	comment	Rock Beats Laser: And strategically placed TNT can beat a whole passel of future weapons.
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The Guns of the South / int_79a60aec	type	For Want of a Nail
The Guns of the South / int_79a60aec	comment	For Want of a Nail: In-universe, a gust of wind is what saves Lee from getting a bullet to the brain.
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The Guns of the South / int_7a277296	type	Airport Novel
The Guns of the South / int_7a277296	comment	Airport Novel: On a long train journey, Robert E. Lee decides to partake of the then-new phenomenon of a railroad novel. He originally tries to purchase Ivanhoe, but the owner refuses to sell it as it is his last copy, so he buys Quentin Durward instead. Later in the story it is revealed that he never finished the book.
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The Guns of the South / int_7a614b0c	type	San Dimas Time
The Guns of the South / int_7a614b0c	comment	San Dimas Time: Justified. The time machine only works over a period of 150 years; the AWB stole it in 2014, so they could only go back to 1864 and no earlier. This prevents them from interfering with the earlier portions of the war, such as the crippling Battle of Gettysburg which is mentioned repeatedly throughout the story.
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The Guns of the South / int_7aa989ea	type	Token Evil Teammate
The Guns of the South / int_7aa989ea	comment	Relatedly, while Gen. Forrest is almost certainly the most anti-black Confederate in the book, even he admits to freeing slaves on several occasions. Even this gets him dirty looks from the Rivington men.
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The Guns of the South / int_7d89315b	type	"The Reason You Suck" Speech
The Guns of the South / int_7d89315b	comment	"The Reason You Suck" Speech: Robert E. Lee gives a couple of these, once by Shaming the Mob when he encounters a mob of Richmond workingmen trying to accost and beat up a free black man whom they accuse of stealing their livelihood (and a policeman who is not only doing nothing to stop the rioters, but joining in with them), and then again when he calls out Rhoodie after learning about the AWB's deception and true intentions.
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The Guns of the South / int_7e74d66f	type	Politically Correct History
The Guns of the South / int_7e74d66f	comment	Politically Correct History: Defied and arguably Lampshaded. As noted elsewhere, the AWB men travel from (initially) 2014 to 1864 in order to help the Confederacy win the American Civil War with the expectation that Apartheid Era South Africa will gain a useful (and racist) ally on the global stage and last well into the 21st Century in the resulting Alternate Timeline. They instead find out that a vast majority of the Confederates are only racist because their whole world is for the most part, and (with only a couple exceptions) are in fact even better than most with regards to said issue. Their actions eventually result in (presumably) a new timeline with better race relations than the "Prime" timeline.
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The Guns of the South / int_81c4faa3	type	Entertainingly Wrong
The Guns of the South / int_81c4faa3	comment	Entertainingly Wrong: When Lee and Mr. Goldfarb are trying to figure out what a computer is, Goldfarb calls it "a qwerty", pointing at the keyboard. Lee stares all over the object, finds an Apple logo and word "Macintosh" on it... but eventually agrees that the term coined by the merchant is a better fit for the alien object.
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The Guns of the South / int_8334ba2e	type	Big, Bulky Bomb
The Guns of the South / int_8334ba2e	comment	Big, Bulky Bomb: The Battle of the Crater that, in this timeline, takes place in North Carolina against the AWB, not the Union.
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The Guns of the South / int_8437cb10	type	Made a Slave
The Guns of the South / int_8437cb10	comment	Made a Slave: General Forrest's plan to deal with the ongoing former slave rebellion is to simply kill anyone resisting and recapture any survivors back into chains. The infeasibility of such action becomes a major plot point. In an ironic twist of fate, the AWB men, who first showed up in the past to preserve the Confederacy as a slave-owning state, end up Trapped in the Past and given a "choice": death by hanging for treason and political assasination, or being reduced to enslaved technicians and experts on as much future knowledge and technology as they can explain. Benny Lang even points out the similarity of the Germans captured by the Soviets after the WW2.
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The Guns of the South / int_863fa679	type	What Happened to the Mouse?
The Guns of the South / int_863fa679	comment	The minor character Billy Beddingfield is never punished for killing surrendering black soldiers, becoming a case of What Happened to the Mouse?.
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The Guns of the South / int_875615dd	type	Truth in Television
The Guns of the South / int_875615dd	comment	General Benjamin Butler. He is despised for his nasty occupation of New Orleans, where he said any woman who criticized the presence of the Union army should be considered nothing more than a whore. His presence at the peace talks is considered an insult, and at the opening to the negotiations he mocks Judah Benjamin for being a Jew solely as a negotiating advantage.
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The Guns of the South / int_8829dfa0	type	What the Hell Is That Accent?
The Guns of the South / int_8829dfa0	comment	What the Hell Is That Accent?: Robert E. Lee thinks of Rhoodie's Afrikaner accent as "not-quite-British" and is constantly guessing where this man originated from. He later thinks they're Dutch when he hears them speaking Afrikaans, from which the language arose originally, and a Jewish man who speaks Dutch describes it as a "mish-mash".
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The Guns of the South / int_8ab096bd	type	Dehumanization
The Guns of the South / int_8ab096bd	comment	Dehumanization: When Robert E. Lee announces his plan to free the slaves, the arguments against him largely consist of this, ranging from those who cite the Curse of Ham as proof that blacks are being punished by God for their wickedness to those who use evolutionary theory to claim that they're closer to apes than humans. Lee is thoroughly disgusted by all these ideas.
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The Guns of the South / int_8ae880f7	type	Deconstruction
The Guns of the South / int_8ae880f7	comment	Deconstruction: The book takes a bit of a sledgehammer to the idea of the Confederate victory. While the South does manage to win its political independence thanks to the AK-47s, its slavery system would still be untenable in the long run: aside from its moral failures and global condemnation from a world becoming ever more opposed to slavery, the massive revolt against it by slaves who were freed by the Union would become inevitable, and Robert E. Lee recognizes this would pose a long-term threat to the stability of the nation. Not only that, but while the North may have lost the war, it still possesses significant industrial and numerical advantages over the Confederates, which means they could be crushed in a future war. Indeed, in the last few pages of the book, we learn that the United States has begun to deploy its own versions of weapons reverse-engineered from captured samples in its war with the British in Canada, which, in Lee's mental reflections, is the reason why the Confederacy needs to keep the additional technology they captured from the AWB at Rivington a secret as long as possible. On top of that, while being victorious in the war, the Confederacy is already in ruin by 1864 and has a really hard time recovering, even despite receiving help from a group of time travellers, who just can't replace the sheer monetary and material investments of the US government for the sake of the Reconstruction. During the 1867 election campaign, George Lewis, who is running for the North Carolina state legislature, makes this very point in a stump speech for Lee, during which he points out that repairing and improving the currency is one of Lee's numerous plans, as opposed to Forrest, who doesn't seem to have any real policies to offer aside from keeping slavery in place. The book also deconstructs Set Wrong What Was Once Made Right; the racist Afrikaners want an independent Confederacy in the hopes that apartheid South Africa would have a strong ally in the future. However, they find to their chagrin that while many Southerners are racists and white supremacists who look down on people of color, they are put off by the rabidly reactionary mindset of the AWB, and the more pragmatic Southern establishment would reject their hardline behavior as detrimental to the nation. Lee is extremely unhappy to discover that the AWB was planning to use his people as a pawn. Even the strongest ally of the Afrikaners, Nathan Bedford Forrest, turns on them after seeing their horribly treasonous behavior.
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The Guns of the South / int_8f612013	comment	Token Good Teammate: Benny Lang of the Rivington men, despite being a bigot (furiously demanding that the Confederates take the the AK-47 away from a black soldier), is otherwise portrayed as a decent and honorable person who treats his slaves fairly well (especially when compared to his compatriots) and is genuinely fond of Mollie Bean. At the end of the novel, President Lee decides to offer the remaining AWB members a limited and conditional release, and chooses to make the offer to Lang first because of his positive traits and level-headedness.
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The Guns of the South / int_8f70bc54	comment	Self-Defeating Prophecy: The AWB men travel back in time and help the Confederacy to ensure white supremacy stays forever. However, they end up debasing their own cause with their wretched behavior. Their brutal treatment of black slaves forces moderate people like Nate to see the ugly truth behind slavery, and alienates even pro-slavery whites. Rhoodie's increasingly hostile attitude toward Lee is what drives the retired General to seek the Presidency when he otherwise wouldn't have. Their attempt to assassinate Lee goes horribly wrong for them: it erases what goodwill they have in the Confederate States, drives supporters like Forrest away from them, and allows Lee to access their historical materials, which allows him to convince other Southerners to abolish slavery for good.
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The Guns of the South / int_90e31482	type	Laser-Guided Karma
The Guns of the South / int_90e31482	comment	Laser-Guided Karma: Piet Hardy, the vicious woman-abusing Rivington man, gets killed in the Battle of the Crater — his neck gets broken some time around when the bomb goes off, meaning he died slowly and painfully. Nate discovers his body during the battle and taunts him by saying he won't be able to hurt any more women now.
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The Guns of the South / int_93311f8e	comment	The Squadette: Molly fought at Gettysburg, y'all.
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The Guns of the South / int_941896b	comment	Shaming the Mob: Happens literally in one scene where a mob, egged on by a Rivington man, attempts to lynch a free black blacksmith. Lee comes upon the incident and gives the men holy hell, defusing the situation, though the Rivington men later try to use Manipulative Editing to make Lee look bad. What they claim is so over the top though that no one really believes it.
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The Guns of the South / int_970c790a	comment	Big Bad: Andries Rhoodie, the leader of the AWB.
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The Guns of the South / int_973d4e8	type	Loved I Not Honor More
The Guns of the South / int_973d4e8	comment	Loved I Not Honor More: A recurring thread in Robert E. Lee's sections of the plot is his devotion to his duties. His wife Mary understands that he's an important person to the Confederacy, but is still upset that being a General has kept him away from his family for so long, and is likewise dismayed when he agrees to oversee the Missouri and Kentucky elections since it means another six months apart. And as much as he would love to retire to the life of a gentleman farmer, Lee runs for President because he wants to keep the AWB away from the levers of power. Tragically, Mary is one of the casualties when the AWB attacks Lee's inauguration. In one conversation, Mary sarcastically quips President Davis ordered her husband to fetch a coal from Satan's stove, he would say his goodbyes and be off without a second thought. Robert admits that she's probably right, but adds that he'd either return with that coal or else give "Old Nick" a battle he'd remember until the end of time.
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The Guns of the South / int_97522514	type	Heel–Face Revolving Door
The Guns of the South / int_97522514	comment	Nathan Bedford Forrest's opinions and Heel–Face Revolving Door are rather close to his actual denouncing and dissolution of the Klannote At least in its original form in Real Life, after it went from a legally-organized political group to a terror organization. He also later sought reconciliation with black Southerners and supported them fighting for their rights, leading to his denunciation by former comrades.
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The Guns of the South / int_997ce6ad	comment	Boyfriend-Blocking Dad: At one point Rhoodie tries to scare Lee by asking if he likes the idea of his daughters marrying a black man; Lee's unspoken response is that he's not too keen on the idea of his daughters marrying anyone.
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The Guns of the South / int_9d6427ec	comment	Time Travel: The time machine which the AWB possess can go backwards and forwards exactly 150 years.
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The Guns of the South / int_9eb11fac	comment	Weak, but Skilled: Beddingfield, a soldier with a huge build, and his fellow soldiers are amazed when Benny Lang throws him to the ground with his "fancy wrasslin'" (judo).
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The Guns of the South / int_a0db7803	type	It's Personal
The Guns of the South / int_a0db7803	comment	It's Personal: After Lee and Forrest have a heated exchange about slavery, Forrest leaves in a loud and bitter rage. Lee reflects that previously all his adversaries had been professional enemies in his duty as a soldier, and Forrest is his first personal foe. He does not enjoy the prospect. After Lee wins the 1867 election, however, Forrest, while congratulating him, apologizes and makes it clear that he regards Lee as a political opponent, not a personal enemy. Lee already had plenty of disagreements with the Rivington men before, but once they killed his wife Mary during their assassination attempt the gloves came off.
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The Guns of the South / int_a18d407b	comment	Samus Is a Girl: "Melvin" Bean is introduced as just another Confederate soldier being taught how to use the AK-47, but the next scene reveals "he" is actually Mollie Bean.
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The Guns of the South / int_a1b141f4	type	My God, What Have I Done?
The Guns of the South / int_a1b141f4	comment	My God, What Have I Done?: Many of the Confederates have this sort of reaction to seeing the assortment of books from the future all describing slavery in such drastically evil terms.
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The Guns of the South / int_a39d6056	type	Nice to the Waiter
The Guns of the South / int_a39d6056	comment	Nice to the Waiter: The treatment of a black servant is a good gauge on a person's behavior. Henry Pleasants, the ex-Union officer who moves to North Carolina and is described as having a disposition matching his name (i.e. very pleasant), was an abolitionist and hires only free labor to work his farm. Robert E. Lee, a man of great honor, treats his servants with respect and gradually frees his remaining slaves as the novel progresses. The AWB men who treat their slaves horribly are bastards who even most Southerners can't stand.
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The Guns of the South / int_a55ab01e	comment	Jerkass Realization: Though not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination, Nate Caudell grows out of the institutionalized racism pervasive in the South by interacting with blacks, and especially by seeing how horrifically they're treated by people like the Rivington men.
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The Guns of the South / int_a70223	type	Karma Houdini
The Guns of the South / int_a70223	comment	Karma Houdini: The minor character Billy Beddingfield is never punished for killing surrendering black soldiers, becoming a case of What Happened to the Mouse?. Nathan Bedford Forrest not only suffers no repercussions for his war crimes, but ends up seen as one of the good guys by virtue of fighting the AWB.
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The Guns of the South / int_a8217606	type	Sweet Polly Oliver
The Guns of the South / int_a8217606	comment	Sweet Polly Oliver: Mollie Bean, who disguises herself as a man to serve in the Confederate army. She returns to the guise when the CSA takes on the AWB and her commander's reaction ("Haven't you grown a beard yet?") makes it clear he (and most of the rest of their squad) had figured out she was a woman but kept quiet out of respect for her bravery (plus the fact she keeps up her old profession of prostitution). The only person truly fooled is President Lee, as he has only a single interaction with "Melvin" - and even he can spot the holes and inconsistencies in the story he's told.
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The Guns of the South / int_a8371e84	type	Giving Radio to the Romans
The Guns of the South / int_a8371e84	comment	Giving Radio to the Romans: Actually the inspiration for the book as a whole; Turtledove mentions that fellow author Tanith Lee described the cover of her latest novel as being as incongruous as "Robert E. Lee with an Uzi", and decided to explain how such a thing could happen. It is also subverted for the most part: the ABW supplies the Confederacy with AKs and few shipments of MRE for direct war contribution, but withholds from there any other future knowledge and science and doesn't really bother with the post-war situation either other than throwing some gold specie around. But it plays on their sinister goal for the Confederacy to remain a slave-owning country - keeping the tech unaltered is a great way to make sure loads of manual labour will be needed.
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The Guns of the South / int_aabe2fb	type	Deliberate Values Dissonance
The Guns of the South / int_aabe2fb	comment	Deliberate Values Dissonance: The racism of the AWB, born from a white nationalist perspective rather than the paternalistic conservatism of the Confederates, is so extreme and cruel that even dyed-in-the-wool racist Southerners find it disturbing and illogical. During the 1867 Confederate election, Robert E. Lee is perplexed by seeing Forrest and his AWB supporters campaigning openly. At the time, such campaigns weren't seen as proper etiquette.
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The Guns of the South / int_ab2df806	type	Red Baron
The Guns of the South / int_ab2df806	comment	Red Baron: Nathan Bedford Forrest receives the nickname "Hit 'Em Again Forrest", since he turns a blind eye to the armistice order and tears up the Northern supply lines in Tennessee, which the common soldiers compare to hitting them one more time just to remind them that they lost.
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The Guns of the South / int_ab5eea65	type	Dramatic Irony
The Guns of the South / int_ab5eea65	comment	Dramatic Irony: At the beginning of Chapter 3, there's a brief interlude where Robert E. Lee thinks about George Washington and how he would surely be more at home on a Southern plantation than in a bustling Northern factory town, were he to somehow "whirl through time" to the 1860s. In other words, Lee contemplates the notion of Time Travel without realizing that his brand-new allies are time travelers themselves. The readers are perfectly aware from the start that Rhoodie is not only a time traveller, but also a sinister one. The Confederates spend most of the book completely oblivious to this, welcoming him and his men with open arms. Also, when the book came out in the early 90s, people were far more familiar with AWB, so the fact that Rhoodie's coffee mug in the very first chapter has their logo and the abbreviation on it was making it all that more obvious who he is and what he really wants.
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The Guns of the South / int_aba8065b	type	Fatal Flaw
The Guns of the South / int_aba8065b	comment	Fatal Flaw: For the Rivington men, their fanaticism means they are completely inflexible, which is what starts driving Confederates away from them. Even the rank-and-file soldiers, who themselves have little use for blacks, get put off when they see how harshly the AWB treats slaves. When Rhoodie tries to horrify Lee by telling him that there are blacks in the British Parliament who always push for more black rights, Lee asks how they can be blamed if they're properly elected and merely represent what their constituents wants, which gets Rhoodie red in the face and halfway to starting a fight before Lee calms him down. Later on, after receiving The Picture History of the Civil War, Lee claims Rhoodie's extreme hatred for blacks makes him as much an outcast as John Brown's radical abolitionism, which infuriates Rhoodie.
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The Guns of the South / int_acf33d00	type	Nice Job Fixing It, Villain
The Guns of the South / int_acf33d00	comment	Nice Job Fixing It, Villain: The inauguration massacre not only fails to kill Lee, but hands him the trump card he needs to get the manumission bill passed, meaning this South will likely have better race relations than its real-world counterpart. Most of what the AWB does after the first couple of chapters fits this trope, as their fanatical, borderline psychotic hatred of blacks manages to alienate all but the most extreme Confederates; even those who originally supported slavery find themselves asking "Do I really want to be on the same side as these madmen?" and begin reevaluating their opinions.
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The Guns of the South / int_ad1db87c	type	Oh, Crap!
The Guns of the South / int_ad1db87c	comment	Oh, Crap!: Lee when he realizes that the main ingredient in the explosives used in the AK-47 ammunition is nitroglycerine — the medicine the AWB men have been giving him for his heart condition. He briefly thinks they have been trying to kill him. After a moment he calms down and realizes that it is a very clumsy and roundabout way to get rid of him, if the pills have not exploded after so much jostling in combat then they probably will not explode at all, and the pills, after all, do work as advertised.
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The Guns of the South / int_ad9fbc1e	type	Pyrrhic Victory
The Guns of the South / int_ad9fbc1e	comment	Pyrrhic Victory: The Confederacy may have gained independence, but the war has already freed many slaves throughout border states, many of which have begun a fierce rebellion. Aside from a newfound moral stance, Lee recognizes that the only way to prevent societal collapse is to abolish slavery. There is also the fact that prior to the sudden victory, the Confederacy as a nation was on its last leg and even with the help of the Rivington men, they still lack resources, manpower and infrastructure for an equivalent of the real-life Reconstruction, having to do it all on their own. While, at the end of the book, the United States is both governed by Democrats who are in favor of a better relationship with the Confederacy (including trade which gives the CSA a significant leg up on rebuilding), and also embroiled in full-scale war with Great Britain over Canada, President Lee recognizes that at some point in the future the North may develop both the desire and ability to begin a new war against the South, which is why he wants to keep the additional 20th- and 21st-century technology captured in Rivington as secret as possible so as to have an ace in the hole.
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The Guns of the South / int_adfd3165	type	For the Evulz
The Guns of the South / int_adfd3165	comment	For the Evulz: It's a small moment, but during the invasion of Rivington, Nate Caudell comes across a plantation house that has slave huts but no fields, implying that the AWB man who lives there wanted to own slaves simply because he could.
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The Guns of the South / int_affd30b0	type	Stupid Evil
The Guns of the South / int_affd30b0	comment	Stupid Evil: The AWB take their bigotry and cruelty to outright self-destructive levels. They buy up all of the slaves on auction purely to torture them for their own sadistic satisfaction, and when Lee refuses to buy into their turboracist rhetoric, they try to kill him, erasing any goodwill the Confederacy had towards them for their part in winning the Civil War and turning public opinion against slavery. This is even lampshaded in-universe, where Lee is taken aback by the fact that ABW considers both fanaticism and radicalism to be valour rather than a hindrance to whatever cause a man could stand to, contrasting with his pragmatic attitude of a career officer.
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The Guns of the South / int_b2cdd776	type	Bottomless Magazines
The Guns of the South / int_b2cdd776	comment	Bottomless Magazines: Averted. The soldiers are carefully instructed that full-auto is actually mostly useless except in extreme circumstances — it's the ability to fire single shots without stopping to reload that is their primary advantage.
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The Guns of the South / int_b4a6ae4c	type	Everyone Has Standards
The Guns of the South / int_b4a6ae4c	comment	Everyone Has Standards: The book analyzes the difference between two different kinds of racism. Most Confederates possess conservative, pseudo-paternal bigotry, being okay with blacks as individuals but hating them as a group because it's what "they" say (whomever "they" may be), while some hold the belief that slavery may be the only way the two races can peacefully co-exist. The Rivington men, on the other hand, have a reactionary, outright malicious hatred of blacks, as if blacks have personally wronged them simply by existing. This is demonstrated in early chapters where one of Caudell's squadmates observes Benny Lang bossing around some slaves and says that he'd make a good overseer, but recants after he sees just how much Lang hates blacks, saying that his attitude would cause a lot of runaways or even an outright rebellion. When Forrest's army assaults Rivington at the end of the book, Caudell and his mates come across some of the AWB's slaves and are horrified by their skeletal, terribly abused appearance, and then are amazed that the slaves greet the arrival of "gummint sojers" with genuine joy. This is also the reason given for Gen. Forrest's Heel–Face Turn at the end of the book. He claims he'd never known the true depths of the AWB. Relatedly, while Gen. Forrest is almost certainly the most anti-black Confederate in the book, even he admits to freeing slaves on several occasions. Even this gets him dirty looks from the Rivington men. Raeford Liles, Nate's shopkeeper acquaintance, isn't the most enlightened guy, but he's uneasy with Forrest allowing himself to be bought by the Rivington men. He was also willing to hire a freed black man to help out around the shop, despite his misgivings about ending slavery, since even he recognizes that progress happens whether or not you like it.
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The Guns of the South / int_b55e8979	comment	Science Hero: That being said, Gorgas makes incredible progress in reverse-engineering the AK47s and building them using downtime technology. This is Truth in Television: historically, Gorgas was able to build an entire arms and ordinance industry in the South from scratch, and his department was one of the few in the Confederate government that functioned throughout the war.
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The Guns of the South / int_b7b1aa73	type	And Then What?
The Guns of the South / int_b7b1aa73	comment	And Then What?: Lee is asked this several times as the war comes to a close, first by Abraham Lincoln and then by Lord Lyons, the British Minister to the USA. They both tell him that he must put the Confederacy on a course for the future, and wonder what kind of nation it will become. Lee's response is that, whatever type of nation they become, they will be a nation.
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The Guns of the South / int_bdb5c651	type	Real Men Love Jesus
The Guns of the South / int_bdb5c651	comment	Real Men Love Jesus: Part of what convinces General Lee early on toward Rhoodie is the fact that he found him, in the middle of the night camp, reading the Bible and clearly meaning it, rather than putting up an act. Of course, this just ties in with AWB being famously Church Militant, with Afrikaner Calvinism being one of the cornerstones of their ideology.
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The Guns of the South / int_bddb820f	comment	Must Have Caffeine: Even when some of Lee's officers remain suspicious about the AK-47's, the AWB men win them over by presenting - among other rations - instant coffee. The South is so pinched by the Union blockade that even the officers haven't drank anything but chicory substitutes for years.
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The Guns of the South / int_be239f55	comment	Noble Confederate Soldier: Robert E. Lee, of course, gets this treatment in the book. He's a Reasonable Authority Figure as CSA President and works to free the slaves soon after the war ends.
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The Guns of the South / int_c2288824	type	A Nazi by Any Other Name
The Guns of the South / int_c2288824	comment	A Nazi by Any Other Name: AWB is an Afrikaner Neo-Nazi group that props the Confederacy up out of sheer anti-black hatred, and act in accordance with their ideology. Their flag and insignia is given particular attention by the narrative and is described on more than one occasion. If all that wasn't obvious enough to the reader, the narrative makes it clear when Lee later goes through their materials from the future and finds a book that speaks approvingly of Adolf Hitler.
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The Guns of the South / int_c25c7890	type	Fun with Acronyms
The Guns of the South / int_c25c7890	comment	Fun with Acronyms: When Lee asks Rhoodie what the AWB sign means, he claims it stands for "America Will Break". It is later revealed to actually stand for Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging ("Afrikaner Resistance Movement"), which is the name of a real-life South African racist group.
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The Guns of the South / int_c271fe08	type	Machiavelli Was Wrong
The Guns of the South / int_c271fe08	comment	Machiavelli Was Wrong: Early in the novel, Nate discusses how Lang is putting himself in the crosshairs by making his slaves hate his guts. Eventually, Rhoodie gets it from one of his abused slaves. Despite the danger to themselves, many escaped slaves continue their rebellion. While General Forrest believes they can be crushed, Lee himself starts to realize that rebellion will only grow.
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The Guns of the South / int_c2b28f75	comment	A.K.A.-47: Averted. The rifles are specifically referred to as the AK-47 and their care and maintenance is based on the real rifle. All other real-life guns that make an appearance are also given their proper names by the Rivington men. The general idea is Parodied with the main hotel built in Rivington, the Notahilton.
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The Guns of the South / int_c3478f1d	comment	Badass Bookworm: Henry Pleasants. Two engineering degrees and a Lt.Col. commission in both the Union and Confederate armies, by the end of the book
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The Guns of the South / int_cb0743c0	comment	Lame Pun Reaction: Lee has one to his son Custis as they're discussing hiring black people to spy on the AWB.
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The Guns of the South / int_cc7fae30	comment	Outside-Context Problem: Abraham Lincoln and the Union are lain low in the American Civil War by time traveling neo-Nazis from 2014, a curveball nobody could have foreseen or countered.
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The Guns of the South / int_cdfe12c3	type	Nothing Is Scarier
The Guns of the South / int_cdfe12c3	comment	Nothing Is Scarier: In-universe, Caudell sees Josephine, a sex slave, escape from one of the AWB men, only to be recaptured. Later, he learns from one of Mollie's letters that Josephine hung herself. Caudell wonders what that man did to push the slave into such a response. He is so shaken by the possibilities he immediately tears up the letter. Molly also tells him she and the other prostitutes all refuse to see him, though without explaining why.
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The Guns of the South / int_cf331024	type	Camp Follower
The Guns of the South / int_cf331024	comment	Camp Follower: Mollie Bean is a prostitute as well as Sweet Polly Oliver.
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The Guns of the South / int_cf92fea8	type	Cassandra Truth
The Guns of the South / int_cf92fea8	comment	Cassandra Truth: Subverted. When Rhoodie comes clean about being a time traveler, Lee quickly accepts it as truth, since the weapons of the Confederacy are more advanced than anything that can be produced in the 1860s.
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The Guns of the South / int_d028e0da	type	An Arm and a Leg
The Guns of the South / int_d028e0da	comment	An Arm and a Leg: Since this was the late 1800s, medicine and surgery aren't exactly the best. Several references are made to people losing arms and legs in battle; Confederate General Richard Ewell, who lost his right leg earlier in the war, interacts with Lee a few times. During the invasion of Washington City, it's mentioned that a Rivington man had to have his leg amputated, but his fellows took him to one of their doctors who managed to break the septic fever he suffered before it could claim him.
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The Guns of the South / int_d0a09849	type	Feeling Oppressed by Their Existence
The Guns of the South / int_d0a09849	comment	The book analyzes the difference between two different kinds of racism. Most Confederates possess conservative, pseudo-paternal bigotry, being okay with blacks as individuals but hating them as a group because it's what "they" say (whomever "they" may be), while some hold the belief that slavery may be the only way the two races can peacefully co-exist. The Rivington men, on the other hand, have a reactionary, outright malicious hatred of blacks, as if blacks have personally wronged them simply by existing. This is demonstrated in early chapters where one of Caudell's squadmates observes Benny Lang bossing around some slaves and says that he'd make a good overseer, but recants after he sees just how much Lang hates blacks, saying that his attitude would cause a lot of runaways or even an outright rebellion. When Forrest's army assaults Rivington at the end of the book, Caudell and his mates come across some of the AWB's slaves and are horrified by their skeletal, terribly abused appearance, and then are amazed that the slaves greet the arrival of "gummint sojers" with genuine joy.
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The Guns of the South / int_d243518d	type	In Spite of a Nail
The Guns of the South / int_d243518d	comment	In Spite of a Nail: The Rivington men get involved in the presidential election, offering Nathan Bedford Forrest not only their personal and financial support but, more importantly, modern-day campaigning (and smearing) techniques to sweep the tide of the election. This greatly expands the support for the otherwise very narrow political platform of Forrest - but still not enough to win against General Lee, who sticks to the contemporary, indirect campaigning but has a far less radical platform, tacking over many more issues than just the "one drum" of slavery.
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The Guns of the South / int_d30dfd1c	type	Ridiculous Exchange Rates
The Guns of the South / int_d30dfd1c	comment	Ridiculous Exchange Rates: The Confederates are befuddled by the Rivington men selling their AK-47s for 50 Confederate dollars, given the currency's complete worthlessness. They also buy merchandise and pay Confederate soldiers with gold, which is worth far more than the face value of the currency/pay vouchers.
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The Guns of the South / int_d397657d	type	Hoist by His Own Petard
The Guns of the South / int_d397657d	comment	Hoist by His Own Petard: Andries Rhoodie is killed when one of his slaves stabs him in the throat with a broken bottle. The Confederates soldiers present ignore the law and let the slave go, having learned how horribly Rhoodie (and indeed most of AWB) treated their slaves; one soldier even remarks "Reckon the son of a bitch had it coming."
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The Guns of the South / int_d3f16712	type	Dramatization
The Guns of the South / int_d3f16712	comment	Dramatization: In Turtledove's author notes, he reveals that he took names and occupations for the 47th North Carolina Infantry from real life service records, but made up their personalities based off of details (such as Billy Beddingfield being portrayed as a hot-headed Jerkass based on the real Beddingfield repeatedly gaining and losing non-commissioned rank).
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The Guns of the South / int_d68c925d	type	Creator Provincialism
The Guns of the South / int_d68c925d	comment	Creator Provincialism: At no point do the men of AWB try to reach out to the Boers in South Africa, even though their detailed knowledge of future history and technology would secure the Boers for decades against British encroachment. Instead, they decide to meddle in the American Civil War. They do nothing to contact ZAR even after they succeed in their initial mission, despite the impending First and much worse Second Boer War - the focus remains squarely on the Union and the Confederacy. From the other side, it seems an odd omission that no Confederate, even those such as Lee himself to whom the AWB men have revealed their true origins, ever makes the connection between them and their Boer ancestors who are living at that very moment, given that events like the Great Trek and the Battle of Blood River, already several decades in the past, should be known to anyone who is well-informed on world affairs.
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The Guns of the South / int_d9ffec82	type	Curb-Stomp Battle
The Guns of the South / int_d9ffec82	comment	Curbstomp Battle: The firepower advantage the AK-47 gives the Confederates is so massive that Union armies are thrashed by much smaller Confederate formations, and single-handedly causes the South to win. That being said, the Union soldiers still fight with all their muster and still inflict severe casualties against Confederate armies. In the Battle of the Wilderness, massed Union artillery manages to beat back a Confederate assault successfully, and a little later on, the heavy Union artillery in the forts ringing Washington inflicts heavy losses on the attacking Confederates before they manage to break through with a little help from the Rivington men's grenade launchers.
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The Guns of the South / int_dae5c997	type	Action Girl
The Guns of the South / int_dae5c997	comment	Action Girl: Mollie Bean, who fought at Gettysburg before the start of the novel and marches with the Army of Northern Virginia.
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The Guns of the South / int_db54633f	type	Can't Take Criticism
The Guns of the South / int_db54633f	comment	A lot of the AWB are pretty awful. Aside from their sadistic treatment of slaves, they have pretty nasty and aggressive tempers towards anyone who disagrees with them, even during polite conversation. Rhoodie himself blows up at Lee on several occasions.
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The Guns of the South / int_db99b292	type	Mondegreen Gag
The Guns of the South / int_db99b292	comment	Mondegreen Gag: Nate mishears "flak jacket" as "flapjack."
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The Guns of the South / int_dca70c44	type	Reasonable Authority Figure
The Guns of the South / int_dca70c44	comment	Reasonable Authority Figure: Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America. Though numerous characters point out that he can be extremely fractious and lets his personal animosity affect his ability to work with certain people, he is on extremely good terms with General Lee throughout the course of the novel. He supports Lee in all his military campaigns, agrees with him regarding the dangers of the AWB, and pushes Lee to run for President himself. In the end, Davis willingly, indeed enthusiastically, subordinates himself to Lee and agrees to join Lee's Cabinet as Secretary of War - the job he always really wanted in the first place, having been U.S. Secretary of War (and a highly competent and well-regarded one) before the war - saying that if he wants to continue his career in public service, it will necessarily have to be at a lower level of authority. Lee and his daughter remark on it at a party, noting that Davis appears to be far happier as Secretary of War than he ever was as President.
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The Guns of the South / int_ddf56e0a	type	Amoral Afrikaner
The Guns of the South / int_ddf56e0a	comment	Amoral Afrikaner: The AWB is a South African white supremacist group that traveled back in time to preserve white power in the Confederate States of America (they're a real group with these views).
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The Guns of the South / int_de0d9b2a	type	Alter Kocker
The Guns of the South / int_de0d9b2a	comment	Alter Kocker: Mr. Goldfarb, a Jewish merchant living in Richmond who knows fluent Dutch, whom Lee recruits to translate the AWB's Afrikaner language books.
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The Guns of the South / int_de306ba6	type	Worst Aid
The Guns of the South / int_de306ba6	comment	Worst Aid: The Civil War's medical techniques are, of course, the stuff of nightmares to people from 150 years in the future. Several AWB members state they'd rather die than let Confederate surgeons operate on them.
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The Guns of the South / int_deb39de3	type	Bad Future
The Guns of the South / int_deb39de3	comment	Bad Future: The AWB claim to come from a world of perpetual interracial strife and domination by black people, where the American South is an occupied territory. As the story progresses, it is revealed that the world they come from is the actual world, and they had made up most of their "facts" about the future. In the real world's 2014, Barack Obama was President of the United States, which might have been the final straw for the AWB to cause them to come up with their plan to change history.
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The Guns of the South / int_e624f0e8	type	Suspiciously Specific Denial
The Guns of the South / int_e624f0e8	comment	Suspiciously Specific Denial: The Notahilton (Not A Hilton).
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The Guns of the South / int_e83503c8	type	The Heckler
The Guns of the South / int_e83503c8	comment	The Heckler: During the 1867 Confederate Election, Nashville's mayor delivers a speech in support of General Forrest. Caudell and his former squadmate Dempsey Eure both heckle the man for being a rich, out-of-touch coward (he bought a substitute so he could avoid the draft, calls General Lee a coward, and rails about him "taking away our slaves" in a county where most people are subsistence farmers and way too poor to even think about owning slaves). Later, Captain Lewis (Caudell's former commanding officer) gives a speech in support of Lee and likewise has to deal with a heckler. Rather than trying to ignore him, Lewis addresses his "points" head-on, including dismissing the man's complaints about freeing slaves by pointing out "All you ever do is complain about how lazy and useless your slaves are, so what difference does it make to you?"
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The Guns of the South / int_e83f211c	type	O.O.C. Is Serious Business
The Guns of the South / int_e83f211c	comment	O.O.C. Is Serious Business: Late in the book, when Henry Pleasants meets General Forrest face-to-face, he says "Now I wish I'd voted for you in the election!" Everyone present expects to see the legendary Forrest temper, but instead the general very seriously says "If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have voted for myself", explaining that the Rivington men lied and manipulated him, and he intends to pay them back with interest.
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The Guns of the South / int_e9f517e1	type	Artistic License â€“ Geography
The Guns of the South / int_e9f517e1	comment	Artistic License – Geography: In one scene, Lee looks all the way down into the heart of Washington D.C. from a nearby hill; in the author's notes Turtledove observes that this is impossible, but "Sometimes geography has to bend to suit the author's wishes." The town of Rivington, North Carolina does not and has never existed. While it could have been written it off as the AWB men founding the town themselves, but Mollie Bean says it's her hometown so it would had to have existed for at least a decade or two before they ever entered the picture.
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The Guns of the South / int_eb8ec7c8	type	Jerkass
The Guns of the South / int_eb8ec7c8	comment	Jerkass: General Benjamin Butler. He is despised for his nasty occupation of New Orleans, where he said any woman who criticized the presence of the Union army should be considered nothing more than a whore. His presence at the peace talks is considered an insult, and at the opening to the negotiations he mocks Judah Benjamin for being a Jew solely as a negotiating advantage. A lot of the AWB are pretty awful. Aside from their sadistic treatment of slaves, they have pretty nasty and aggressive tempers towards anyone who disagrees with them, even during polite conversation. Rhoodie himself blows up at Lee on several occasions. Erstwhile-Corporal Billy Beddingfield has a generally unpleasant personality, kills surrendering black soldiers, and nearly puts a bullet in Abraham Lincoln.
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The Guns of the South / int_ec0ce986	type	Spotting the Thread
The Guns of the South / int_ec0ce986	comment	Spotting the Thread: Lee immediately believes that the AWB are from the future without question in part because he notices Rhoodie repeatedly slipping up with regards to information that he otherwise couldn't possibly know, as well as the fact that the AK-47's they have are much too advanced to have been created and manufactured in this time.
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The Guns of the South / int_ec87ed0	type	Timeline-Altering MacGuffin
The Guns of the South / int_ec87ed0	comment	Timeline-Altering MacGuffin: The Picture History of the Civil War, a real (and very well-known) basic, and profusely illustrated, history of the American Civil War written by the eminent historian Bruce Catton, is what really causes Lee and the Confederates to turn away from the Rivington men, realizing just how badly they will be viewed for supporting slavery in the future. When Mollie Bean finds the book in Benny Lang's bookcase, she is struck at first by how superior the reproduction of illustrations - including photographs - is to the books she knows, and then, when reading the text, realizes that something is WAY off, which is what impels her to steal the book and take it to Nate Caudell, setting the main plot of Act 3 into motion.
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The Guns of the South / int_ecaab580	type	Technology Levels
The Guns of the South / int_ecaab580	comment	Technology Levels: Discussed. At the end of the book, Lee asks Benny Lang if the captive Rivington men could build him a computer. He replies that the Confederates not only lack the technology to make it, but they lack the technology to make that technology, and probably a few more steps back from that too.
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The Guns of the South / int_ed2bbf8a	type	You Are in Command Now
The Guns of the South / int_ed2bbf8a	comment	You Are in Command Now: In the chaos of the Battle of the Wilderness, Nathaniel Caudell, a first sergeant, finds himself twice as the highest-ranking soldier, having to command. First, he simply separates from his own unit and ends up commanding a small squad of random soldiers, also separated from their unit, too. Later, when holding an improvised road barricade, the officer commanding that effort ends up catching a bullet with his forehead, with Nate being next in the chain of command.
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The Guns of the South / int_f1d6144a	type	War Is Hell
The Guns of the South / int_f1d6144a	comment	War Is Hell: Even though the South wins in this timeline, none of the main characters are particularly nostalgic for the actual fighting. When Nate returns home after the war, shopkeep Raeford Liles asks him how it was, and his unspoken response is "Filthy, boring, hungry. Terrifying past any nightmare." After he resumes his job as a teacher, some of his students ask him about the war and he very plainly tells them that there's nothing glamorous or heroic about it; Nate's comments echo William T. Sherman's famous real-world admonition to an audience of schoolboys, "You may think war is all glory, but boys, it is all hell."
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The Guns of the South / int_f32d85ab	type	20 Minutes into the Future
The Guns of the South / int_f32d85ab	comment	20 Minutes into the Future: The Rivington Men are from 2014. Besides fitting the idea of a time machine that can only travel a neat 150 years, Turtledove probably chose this date because it was just enough years ahead for a time machine not to be totally absurd, but still close enough for the Rivington men's weapons and technology to basically be equivalent to the then-present day of 1992.
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The Guns of the South / int_f364de89	type	Make Wrong What Once Went Right
The Guns of the South / int_f364de89	comment	Make Wrong What Once Went Right: The villains' scheme is this.
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The Guns of the South / int_f9f2c33	comment	This is something of a Running Gag with Turtledove; when Lee and Lincoln run into each other in 1865, Lincoln says he might write a book about how things would have been better if Lee and the South hadn't won.
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The Guns of the South / int_fb3576b2	type	The Dog Bites Back
The Guns of the South / int_fb3576b2	comment	The Dog Bites Back: After the Rivington men are defeated and captured, one of Andres Rhoodie's slaves runs in and stabs him in the throat with a broken bottle, leaving him to bleed to death. As an added twist of the knife, the Confederates present let the slave go free after seeing how horribly Rhoodie had mistreated him, and because (as one soldier puts it) "Reckon the son of a bitch had it coming."
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The Guns of the South / int_fe10cf42	type	Alien Space Bats
The Guns of the South / int_fe10cf42	comment	Alien Space Bats: The Trope Namer was a direct reference to this story.
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The Guns of the South / int_ffad4e9f	type	Shown Their Work
The Guns of the South / int_ffad4e9f	comment	Shown Their Work: Very much so, as Turtledove is quite the expert on The American Civil War. An appendix describes the history of the real 47th North Carolina Infantry, and the contemporary characters are mostly drawn from real people. He also calculated out the election results in the United States of the novel (1864, just after losing the Second American Revolution), and that of the Confederacy in 1867. And explains how he calculated it, state-by-state. Much of the slave auctioneer's patter is verbatim from an 1850s account of a real slave auction, as is the curious mention of the slave oiling the train wheels in Rivington being more careful than slaves elsewhere. Nathan Bedford Forrest's opinions and Heel–Face Revolving Door are rather close to his actual denouncing and dissolution of the Klannote At least in its original form in Real Life, after it went from a legally-organized political group to a terror organization. He also later sought reconciliation with black Southerners and supported them fighting for their rights, leading to his denunciation by former comrades.
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