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Conflict, of all types, is chaotic. There are many forces and interests that can come into play, any of which may be entirely incomprehensible or unforeseen, and any action may ultimately prove beneficial or harmful to the one who takes it. This is not what the audience wants. People instinctively expect the world to be a sensible and just place, and we expect it to be portrayed as such in fiction. From this expectation comes the idea that Right Makes Might, and the deserving are always victorious. But that's not dramatic, either. A hero whose virtue makes him invincible quickly becomes boring, and an ineffectual villain likewise. Moreover, conflict depicted in this way is not realistic, and rings false to the viewer. One trope that lies in the middle ground between the idealistic view and the cynical one is the Advantage Ball. This is a status that is bestowed to one side at a time in conflict. Whoever holds the Ball is not necessarily invincible, but certainly more effective, more skilled than usual, less likely to fall prey to bad luck or Diabolus ex Machina. Similarly, their adversary is confused, fallible, less accurate in their attacks, more likely to make mistakes. Ownership of the Ball is determined primarily by morale. Whichever side is more confident has the advantage. This tends to result in Hollywood Tactics: using your resources strategically is not as important as making a show. If you can break the spirit of your enemy, you are probably going to win even if they greatly outnumber you and have a far superior position. On an individual scale, if a combatant is unsure of either his chances or his reasons, he will fare poorly. But once he has an epiphany, is reminded of what he's fighting for, receives supportive words from his allies, wins the respect of a neutral observer, or gets news that help is on the way, he will instantly become much stronger, even to the point of forgetting previous injuries. A well-placed "No More Holding Back" Speech or "The Reason You Suck" Speech can render his enemy demoralised and weakened. In media dealing with sound, a Theme Music Power-Up is almost required for these occasions. Visually, this trope often expresses itself in a Pendulum War, with the side in possession of the Ball advancing and the other clearly retreating. Once conditions change, the Ball may bounce elsewhere and those who were advancing suddenly find themselves falling back. It's noteworthy that it happens at both large and small scales, with whole armies or just two combatants. When one side holds the Advantage Ball throughout an entire fight, it's a Curb-Stomp Battle. |
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In the Belgariad, Garion realises that the battle between him and Torak is one of wills, not strength, and that Torak has been dealt a mighty mental blow by Polgara's refusal of him. All Garion has to do is defy him, and the dark god loses all control and is defeated with relative ease. | |
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The 4th Edition of Big Eyes, Small Mouth introduces Edges and Obstacles, a mechanic similar to Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition's Advantage and Disadvantage. Whereas a normal skill check uses 2d6, with an Edge you roll 3d6 and keep the two highest dice, while with Obstacles you keep the lower two. There are also Major Edges and Obstacles, where you roll four dice and keep the highest or lowest two. | |
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Bleach plays with this a lot. In most fights, the ball even gets tossed between combatants at times. Very often strategic use of the Advantage Ball (by the author) results in wins or losses the fandom did not expect. | |
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In DEATH BATTLE!, because the fights are made after the research is made and are for viewing purposes only, the ball is passed around like a hockey puck between the combatants. An exception is Rainbow Dash vs. Starscream, where Rainbow holds the Advantage Ball for pretty much the entirety of the fight. Its noted its almost a character trait of Starscream not to hold the ball regardless of circumstances. Another exception is in "Scrooge McDuck vs. Shovel Knight", where Shovel Knight holds the Advantage Ball for almost the entire fight countering or even No Selling his opponent's attacks against him, up until the end where Scrooge whips out his Anti-Inertia and Neutra-Friction Rays to turn the match completely in his favour. A point in Goku vs Superman is that Superman consciously keeps his strength at just enough to win the fight. As Goku powers up, Superman holds back less and less and in using the Solar Flare and blasting him to the sun Goku actually handed Superman the ball a few times. |
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Throughout The Matrix, agents are unstoppable, due both to their superior programming and the terror the other side has for them. But after Neo's awakening as The One, he can dispatch them with ease (and his team can at least hold their ground). Justified in the first and most of the second. The third doesn't even try to justify Neo's god-like abilities. | |
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In Justice League the ball usually goes to whoever has the greatest impact and investment to the plot. Superman almost never has the ball, one notable instance involving John Stewart's old friend turned into Metamorpho. Metamorpho was able to turn his body into kryptonite despite it being explicit that he must know the chemical mixture to turn into something. His lack of being able to hold the ball is such that when in an Enemy Mine with Luthor to stop Darkseid, he makes a "No More Holding Back" Speech and really starts giving it all he's got while Lex goes on a vague mission to the outer reaches of the universe. Who do you think stopped Darkseid? | |
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This follows naturally in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, where, thanks to Spiral Energy, confidence is combat ability. Except for wild cards like the Mugann, the Ball is in the court of whoever is delivering a Badass Boast at the moment. | |
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Naruto has a bunch of advantages when he has to fight Pain, including a bunch of strong toads to fight alongside him, a new Super Mode, the Ninetails, information on Pain's abilities, and Pain's temporary loss of his Gravity Master powers. His earlier fight against Sasuke followed the Dragon Ball Z approach of passing the Advantage Ball for a few rounds by unlocking increasingly more power. Sasuke relies heavily on this in his battle against Deidara. He happens to have the correct chakra nature to overcome Deidara's bombs, the Sharingan to see through nano-sized bombs, and when he still has a tough time, the author throws him Plot Armor in the form of The Great Snake Escape. Choji uses colored pills during his battle with Jirobo, who during the battle counters this by using his cursed seal. Unfortunately for Jirobo, he only has two stages of his cursed seal while Choji had three pills. |
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In Tom Riddle's Schooldays, Tom usually holds this, although he occasionally passes it to Marca. | |
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In The Redemption of Althalus by David Eddings, the protagonists are a tightly-knit group of Fire-Forged Friends (a family in all but blood), they have the full support of a major goddess and full access to her extradimensional house, and several armies of the best soldiers in the world on their payroll (and stationed in said house so they could be deployed anywhere at any time). The antagonists mirror all this at first glance, but their core group all hate and distrust each other, their sponsoring god commands them with terror (which is the only reason they even work with each other), their house is a terrifying hell full of fire, and their armies are primitive to the point of being at a stone age level (solely due to the aesthetic preferences of their commander). It's a credit to the author's writing skill that the series didn't end after the first battle. | |
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Harry Dresden starts grabbing this after having been through one too many Indy Ploys. In Turn Coat and Skin Game he knows that he's going to be outnumbered and out-powered, so he does a sanctum invocation, allying with the Genius Loci of a powerful island and uses a Xanatos Gambit and Gambit Roulette in the first instance, and gets Odin's advice and recruits Goodman Grey before even starting out in the second. | |
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The Church Knights of the The Elenium and Tamuli, being Paladins, have superlative training and political support. Moreover, they have a fierce (deserved) reputation, very large war-horses and armour which not only protects them, but is also intimidating at the same time. Combining this with the extra plot protection that the named protagonists enjoy, the Knights have the ability to steamroll over practically any force, almost regardless of the opposition's numbers, tactics or equipment. This is taken even further at the climax of the Elenium, when Sparhawk is driven into an Unstoppable Rage and kills probably dozens of enemy combatants without effort or personal damage. Soon after, however, he faces The Dragon, a man with considerable anthropic weight, and barely defeats him in single combat. In Tamuli there is some discussion on the topic, with the knights having trouble with keeping up with Atan levels of physical conditioning, recent advantages in crossbows and dealing with the overwhelming heat during the campaign in Cynesga. Vanion specifically mentions feeling near-obsolete, but concludes that he can still pull his weight, at least. | |
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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts: The ball is held very definitively by the Terrorcons in their first battle with the Autobots. While they never go down too far in threat as the movie goes on, at the museum they have levels of competency and strength that they don't display again. Scourge overpowers Optimus Prime with one hand with little effort but in all other confrontations expends much more energy keeping up with the Prime. | |
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Dungeons & Dragons uses a system of advantage and disadvantage in combat and for skill checks which translates to "roll two die and use the highest/lowest". In combat this is most often seen by two allies surrounding an enemy, and many abilities and items involve forcing disadvantage on a roll (pack-hunting creatures only need to be next to each other to gain advantage, bards can insult a target to make them more likely to miss, heavy armor makes stealthy movement harder, etc.). | |
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Any video game with a story that ping-pongs the narrative between characters like the new Mortal Kombat, many Transformers games and Devil May Cry 4 gives the ball to whoever is under player control. Oftentimes because victory is the only way to proceed thus the player has to overcome obstacles and enemies that may have once been under player control. | |
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This actually comes up in Dynasty Warriors and, to a lesser extent, Samurai Warriors. When you accomplish specific tasks, your side gains morale, which buys you more time and progress to defeat the enemy general, by adding or removing soldier units from the battlefield. Especially in Dynasty Warriors, even if you're being completely creamed, if you get over 1000 soldier kills, you get unlimited morale. Then you have hundreds of troops rush in and push back the enemy, for no particular reason than that you're now so cool. | |
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In the Battle of Doldrey in Berserk, in terms of confidence the battle starts off fairly evenly matched, with the Tudor forces having all the material advantages (overwhelming numbers, a fortified position) and the Hawks having grit, determination, and the knowledge that Griffith has A Plan(TM). After Guts goes Straight for the Commander and Casca's unit takes the castle by sneak attack (a purely symbolic victory as they've had no time to dig in and fortify the place), the Hawks firmly grasp the Ball and the Tudor's Decapitated Army beats a hasty retreat despite still having overwhelming numbers and a more-or-less equal playing field to use them. | |
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Batman almost always holds the Ball in direct conflict. Three guys with knives or a dozen Mooks with machine guns, it makes no difference. Therefore, the general method of his rogue's gallery to deal with him is to attack him indirectly, especially by undermining what he believes in and threatening those he values. One notable exception is in Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. Batman does not hold the advantage in his first fight with the much younger and stronger leader of the Mutants, and is almost killed before Carrie rescues him. Batman learns his lesson and the next time they fight, he chooses the battleground and pulls out every dirty trick in the book to beat him. This time the Ball is firmly in Batman's court and he wins decisively. | |
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The second season of Transformers: Prime had the ball being minded back and forth. With the acquisition of powerful relic after relic, the ball was handed to whoever got the newest one. Notably in the finale a full assault was carried out by the team despite Optimus still holding the same weapon Megatron himself viewed as the Decepticons' "darkest hour" when he got it. | |
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Most stretches of dialogue in Girl Genius can be described according to this, with the butt of the jokes being the ones not currently possessing the humorous Advantage Ball. | |
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Tex's ability to handle the ball in Red vs. Blue is subject to the Rule of Funny, she will beat entire teams into the ground when its funny and nothing is on the line and fail miserably when something actually is. This turns out to be a part of her character, she's an artificial intelligence based on a woman who died in the line of battle. | |
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In the Batman: The Animated Series episode "The Clock King", we have the eponymous villain, a middle-aged efficiency expert, fighting Batman. This should have been a Curb-Stomp Battle, but Fugate has studied footage on Batman's fighting, so he knows that it takes Batman exactly 1/20 of a second to throw a punch. As improbable as it sounds, Fugate manages to fight Batman to a standstill with using Blocking Stops All Damage, Nonchalant Dodge and Deadly Dodging. | |
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In Devil May Cry the ball is always in Dante's court, the only person to bat it out of his hands was his Evil Counterpart Vergil a fact actually used against the both of them once. Its telling when Nero has the player ball in the fourth game, Dante still has his own ball that easily eclipses his. | |
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Happens in Truancy Origins when Umasi reaches his resolve. This allows him to defeat Zen in battle after being defeated easily in the last fight and not training at all, unlike Zen. | |
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In The Bible, the Israelites' success in any conflict is based on how faithful they're being to God at the time. When they're faithfully worshiping Him, they wipe out hordes of Canaanites with a couple hundred men, and suffer no losses. When they're ignoring God or worshiping Ba'al or some other being other than God, they tend to get conquered, looted, and generally knocked around by any nation that cares to fight them. In one battle it's determined by whether Moses is holding his staff in the air, which he quickly needs help to maintain. | |
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure uses this trope in an interesting way: While the battles can be physical in nature, they rely mostly on smarts and finding a way out of your current situation. In order to keep things exciting, whoever loses the advantage ball automatically gets to be the POV character of the following chapters, as it's now his or her turn to turn the tides of battle. | |
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In Seasons 7 and 8 of "Game of Thrones", the advantage ball is passed back and forth between Cersei and Daenerys's armies. Witness Cersei's ally Euron curbstomping Dany's fleet and killing Rhaegal in "The Last of the Starks" before Dany on Drogon wipes out the entirety of said fleet plus most of Cersei's army in the very next episode. | |
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In The Fifth Act, Cloud consistently has the advantage over the other characters due to having a decade of experience, better weapons and better equipment. Although he loses this when he gives the Ribbon to Kunsel, allowing Genesis to take Cloud down without killing him. | |
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Insult Sword Fighting in the Monkey Island games implicitly relies on this. Fencing requires a certain amount of underlying skill, but what really matters is throwing a withering comment at the opponent that will sap their morale. Depending on a player's skill level, they might be curb-stomped, go back-and-forth for ages, or easily crush their opponent with the right combination of insults and comebacks. | |
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Much like Dragon Ball, Pokémon: The Series passes the ball whenever a mon evolves and/or learns a new move. This doesn't necessarily mean coming back with a new move though. | |
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Handed out by Kevin Flynn in TRON: Legacy. At one point he enters a club where an apparently civilian resistance is fighting- and getting slaughtered by- Clu's enforcers. All he does is kneel and touch the ground, and the momentum of the battle immediately shifts in favor of the civilians (and visibly and audibly; there's an accompanying in-universe shift in the scene's lighting and music). Justified in that he is, effectively, the god of the computer universe. | |
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In Diablo III, this is more of a story fluff than a real effect. In theory there are other people fighting the forces of Hell, but because success in the game is dependent entirely on the actions of the player's character, the game makes the NPCs seem to have some significance by showing their effectiveness be proportional to the progress of the hero, specifically because it gives them hope. | |
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The Ball is carefully minded throughout A Knight's Tale. At the beginning, William and Adhemar are evenly matched, and the latter wins by his greater experience. In the final, decisive joust, Adhemar holds the Ball at first due both to the efforts of his herald and copious amounts of cheating, but after Geoffrey Chaucer gives an impassioned speech, the audience changes sides and William wins without even his armour. | |
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In the Star Wars Legends there's Jedi Battle Meditation: an in-universe Advantage Ball. The side supported by the meditating Jedi is filled with confidence and clarity, while the opposing side is assaulted with despair. Grand Admiral Thrawn once quantified this; apparently, supported by battle meditation, his fighters performed up to 40% better in every category of pilot performance. He also suspects that this is why the Imperial Remnant was so seemingly incompetent for much of the civil war after the Emperor died; they had unknowingly become completely dependent on it. | |
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His earlier fight against Sasuke followed the Dragon Ball Z approach of passing the Advantage Ball for a few rounds by unlocking increasingly more power. | |
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The Battles of Helm's Keep and Minas Tirith from The Lord of the Rings saga. In addition to many other lapses in tactical realism, advantage in battle seems to be principally a matter of who makes the most badass entrance, regardless of such matters as numbers and equipment. | |
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Destroy the Godmodder: Lots of it, usually swings around as new summons hit the field, although not always. There are a handful of players the advantage ball likes to gravitate towards, things generally get very interesting very fast when those players clash. |
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The final battle of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance minds the ball back and forth. At first Armstrong is invulnerable to both sword and hand to hand. When Sam's sword becomes available, Raiden is able to face him on even footing with or without it - in fact, the easiest way for the player to take off a large chunk of his health is to trigger a quick-time event that causes Sam's sword to fly out of Raiden's grasp and forces him to punch Armstrong several times. | |
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