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The Competence Zone gets intimate with the Rule of Perception: The physical appearance (and sometimes emotional maturity) of the cast isn't determined as much by their age, but rather their characterization and relative position within the cast. This can seemingly place them outside the normal Competence Zone, until you find out their true age. In short, the more competent or mature you are, the older you look. And the inverse is true. A character in a position of leadership may look five to ten years older than they really are, while the youngest character will often look, and sometimes act, like a kid. This is especially true with preteen and teenaged characters, for whom their level of maturity is often mirrored by their physical development. A prime cause of Younger/Older Than They Look. Compare Methuselah Syndrome, Acceptable Targets, Old Master, and Vague Age. |
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Desperate Housewives: In the later seasons, Bree started dating a younger man. The character was nominally in his mid to late 30's (like his actor Brian Austin Green) but in order to make the age gap seem a bigger issue he usually acted and dressed at least a decade younger, coming across as more like a twenty something slacker. | |
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Naruto often uses this. 15-year old Haku has an androgynous, boyish look to emphasise his (relatively) innocent nature, while the 16-year old Sound Nin from the "Sasuke retrieval" arc all look like they're in their 20s to emphasise their villainous natures. Kakashi was 6 when he was made chunin and Itachi was 12 in the flashbacks to the Uchiha massacre, yet both look years older to show off their tough upbringings. | |
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In the earlier Harry Potter books, when Ginny was outside the Competence Zone, she was described as "little" and in general made to sound like she was practically still sucking on a dummy, despite being only one year younger than the trio. Although the events of the second book suggest there might be an element of Unreliable Narrator to this description, as Harry doesn't really get to know her firsthand until much later and Ron's perspective might be skewed by the fact he doesn't always get on with his sister. This ended after she Took a Level in Badass. Lampshaded when Harry tries to keep her out of the fifth book's adventure, only to be reminded she's older than he was when he fought Voldemort over the Philosopher's Stone. | |
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Discworld: Subverted in Wintersmith, where Tiffany tells Annagramma that just because a woman is old and toothless doesn't mean she's wise, just that she's been stupid for longer. | |
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In World of Warcraft: Thrall calls Garrosh Hellscream "boy" after he challenges him to a duel for the Warchief title. This fits with the roles of the two characters, with Thrall being the wise spiritual leader and Garrosh being the Hot-Blooded upstart warrior, however Fridge Logic dictates Garrosh is actually older than Thrall by at least a few years. Thrall was born on Azeroth after the end of the second war. Garrosh was born on Draenor, which means he must have been born or at least conceived before his father Grom Hellscream went through the Dark Portal at the start of the first war. Many of the non-human races can live for centuries or millennia. This is almost never considered in regard to characterization; most characters will act according to how old they look relative to the human cast. Tyrande, for instance, is reckless and hot-headed, and needs to have basic battle strategies explained to her despite being 10,000 years old and having led troops into battle countless times. Velen, one of the few characters to actually be treated as having the knowledge and wisdom one might expect from an ancient being, is also one of the few to have visibly aged. |
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X-Men: First Class does this in many ways with Mystique. She is about as old as Xavier. But as a shapeshifter, she chooses to look younger, and she prefers to stay with the teenage recruits. And according to Hank, her body ages slower. | |
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Land of Oz: Princess Ozma is an example of A Child Shall Lead Them but how old she is fluctuates in official art. Even within the same book, illustrations will dramatically change her age. Generally she's depicted as a teenager (with the books claiming she looks no older than sixteen) while other times she looks prepubescent like Dorothy. A few illustrations also depict her looking adult and womanly. As a rule of thumb, she's generally at her oldest when she contrasts with the Kid Hero Dorothy, but she's depicted as a little kid when the mature sorceress Glinda is also in-shot (with Ozma almost never reaching above Glinda's shoulders). Ozma's Gender Bender self from when she was Raised as the Opposite Gender, Tip, is consistently depicted as a little boy to emphasise his childish nature. | |
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Avatar: The Last Airbender: Sokka explicitly stating that he can't remember his mother without Katara's face, because she has been acting as such since their mother's death. She is his younger sister. Ozai, the Big Bad, looks to be in his late thirties or early forties. Iroh, a Cool Old Guy and mentor figure, looks like he's in his sixties or seventies. It's never stated exactly how old they are or how big the age gap between them is, but they're supposed to be brothers. They look more like a father and son. Although it's never made clear in the show itself, Word of God eventually clarified that Iroh is indeed about 20 years older than Ozai. |
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The Knight Sabers in Bubblegum Crisis. Primarily in the characters of Priss and Nene, who despite being only a year apart in age look like there's closer to four years between them, although Nene being decidedly Fun Sized doesn't help. | |
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Tales of Symphonia presents the rare triple subversion. When the characters are introduced to Presea, she's clearly a child, but strikes the characters as remarkably mature and capable (among other things, being responsible for single-handedly maneuvering a giant log that two grown men can't handle). The characters find out later that she's less mature than numb, and once fixed, she seems slightly more childlike. As the game moves on, she's revealed to be twenty-eight, having been locked as a child for sixteen years, and presents herself as being both young and mature. Characters like Raine and Regal are played straight, however, as they seem rather older than their respective ages (mid-twenties, early thirties). Of course, that's also somewhat justified, as Regal is The Atoner, and Raine got a Promotion to Parent when she was eleven. |
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The Steel Dragon Battle Group in Super Robot Wars: Original Generation. Compare BFS-swinger Sanger Zonvolt to XO-slash-Captain Tetsuya. Both are the same age (27), but as Sanger is a battle-hardened veteran, he looks noticeably older than Tetsuya, who over the course of the series is just starting to grow into the role of a capable commander. Another example is fellow captain Lefina Enfield, who looks noticeably older than her 19 years would suggest. | |
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In Final Fantasy XV, Gladiolus and Ignis, the respective Team Dad and Team Mom, are both very tall and look and sound like fully-fledged adults, while Noctis (Hero Protagonist) and Prompto (Plucky Comic Relief) are shorter and look and sound like they're in their late teens. Noctis and Prompto are 20. Gladiolus is 23 and Ignis is 22. | |
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Noted by Trian in the first book of The Death Gate Cycle. "Wars and kingship age a man. Magic does not." Zigzagged in that while he appears quite young, he has the power to act on behalf of the king, but he ultimately has very little power in the broader scope the series takes. Zigzagged further with Alfred. He is often described as old and balding, but takes little initiative and displays far less power than the more youthful Haplo. He is specifically contrasted with Samah who displays far more power and who is in some ways older (they were both preserved in stasis for very long periods of time) but who is not described to be nearly as old in appearance. In truth, Alfred is the most powerful - magically speaking - of his people when he actually is able to bring himself to achieve his potential. |
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While the more mature characters in One Piece not necessarily look old compared to their age, a case could be made for the two least mature members of the Straw Hat Pirates, Luffy and Chopper. Luffy is 19 and looks and acts like a kid that could be anywhere from 5 to 13 depending on the situation. Chopper is a teenage reindeer who is very naive and does not know much about the world except for medicine, and he looks like a cute little teddy bear in his usual form. | |
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Final Fantasy: In Final Fantasy XV, Gladiolus and Ignis, the respective Team Dad and Team Mom, are both very tall and look and sound like fully-fledged adults, while Noctis (Hero Protagonist) and Prompto (Plucky Comic Relief) are shorter and look and sound like they're in their late teens. Noctis and Prompto are 20. Gladiolus is 23 and Ignis is 22. Dissidia Final Fantasy is forced to deal with this problem because the more High Fantasy-style Final Fantasy entries treat young characters as adults, and the Urban Fantasy entries tend to treat them more like modern people of their age. The game plays this for intentional irony in places. The oldest Warrior of Cosmos is Cloud, who is 21 and looks and acts like it, making him seem much less mature than Cecil, who is 20 and acts and appears like a mature grown-up. Cloud is also treated as junior to Firion, who is 18. Bartz is also 20, and spends much of his storyline being babysat by the 17-year-old and more grown-up-looking Squall (who is treated in his own game as being a teenager, though one who acts very grown-up for his age). In a particularly cute application, Onion Knight (13) considers himself Terra's (18) big brother. |
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El Goonish Shive: Pandora is essentially a one-fairy version of this trope, shifting between adult and childish forms depending on how mature she feels like being. | |
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Doctor Who. The Doctor is, of course, ancient but is also characterised strongly by their physical apparent age in that incarnation. (This is further complicated by every actor to have taken the part deliberately playing the character with mannerisms that hint at ages of both ends of the spectrum.) For a few more specific examples: The First Doctor was the youngest Doctor and in many ways very naive and unsure of himself, but also the oldest-looking and the one characterised most typically by his old age (implied by later stories to be a façade disguising his relative youth). In several stories he comes across as childish and sometimes even like a sulky rebellious teen, but his basic trope is that of the absent-minded old man. Unlike all of the Doctors until very recently, he's also defined in terms of his familial responsibility — specifically, towards his granddaughter (and string of substitute granddaughter figures). In multi-Doctor stories he tends to take charge from his younger-looking but more mature other selves, who defer to his judgement comfortably. The Fourth Doctor, the youngest man cast at the time, was initially conceived as an "eternal student" character to take advantage of the actor's youth (then considered a shock development — for reference, the actor was 40 — hardly as young as the revival series got). This goes some way to explaining the unusual outfit he wears in his first season (preppy Oxbridge by way of Starving Artist and general tastelessness). This concept was dropped in favour of a Byronic aesthetic, but some elements of it stuck around, particularly in Season 17 which dealt a lot with his university education and had a story set in Cambridge. His personality was also much more childish than his predecessors — impulsive, petulant, prone to mood swings and attention-seeking, with a childish disrespect for responsibility and a tendency to act cute to get his way. The Fifth Doctor, played by a man still in his 20s, was often shown to struggle to appear credible and authoritative, a problem that rarely plagued any of his older former selves. This was despite his basic personality being a lot more mature and emotionally healthy than at least his direct predecessor, if not all others. He related to his companions as a big brother figure rather than as a paternal or pedagogic one, and was characterised much by his innocence and the horrible things this caused him to go through. The Seventh Doctor, by the time of the TV Movie, appears and acts rather old. So he gets killed off, and regenerates into the Eighth Doctor, who appears as an extremely handsome man in his thirties and promptly celebrates it by doing more kissing than he'd ever managed on screen before that point. The War Doctor, while he started out relatively youthful, was grim from the start and ended up as a grizzled old man. Consequently, he initially found his older-but-younger-loving selves, Doctors 10 and 11, profoundly exasperating in their Buffy Speak, catchphrases, and more actionised styles, mistaking them for his future self's companions at first ("they get younger every year!"), demanding to know what makes them so afraid of acting like grown-ups. Especially 11. He even asks if they're his manifestation of a midlife crisis. The answer, of course, is him and the Time War, and it's turned on its head: he looks older and acts like a Grumpy Old Man, but the other two are horribly traumatised with between 100 and 400 years on him and beneath the Younger and Hipper looks, irreverence, and Buffy Speak is "the man who regrets" (10, haunted by the Time War), and "the man who forgets" (11, who tries very hard to put it behind him and forget). Clara puts her finger on it when she says that his eyes look so much younger. The Ninth Doctor is a middle-aged man with a largely grim and serious demeanour, straight out of the Time War, who everyone takes seriously because of his hard features and forceful personality, with barely concealed rage bubbling away underneath and a rampant case of PTSD. However, he's got a heart of gold and a dazzling smile, and chooses coward rather than killer. The Tenth Doctor was younger, Hotter and Sexier, flirty straight of the gate and a conscious charmer by comparison with Nine and War's awkwardness (and even 8's charm seemed more accidental than anything else) - something heavily implied to be for Rose's benefit. A blatant romantic and as close as any Doctor has come to a classic Action Hero who was in love with one companion, accidentally seduced another, and generally drew a lot of female attention (and sometimes male, too), he was also very bouncy and excitable when faced with new things, with 12 grumpily comparing him in one comic to an excited puppy, seeming to be in love with life and reinvigorated under Rose's influence. However, as soon as Rose disappears, he starts acting much older and less goofy, musing on mortality, simultaneously clinging onto life (as 11 observes, he had a vain streak) and remarking that "a longer life isn't always a better one", being acutely aware of how he was going to outlive all his companions and loved ones, verging on an outright Death Seeker - and even early in his tenure, he was ruthless and cold-blooded beneath the bouncy facade, coldly informing one villain, "I'm so old now. I used to have so much mercy. You get one chance. That was it." The Eleventh Doctor acts like a complete child, and despite being the oldest is initially looked at as the youthful idiot who refuses to take anything seriously in the 50th Anniversary by 10 and War. This is entirely intentional, however, as he's depicted as an old Absent-Minded Professor in a young man's body, right down to quirks and obliviousness to social cues, all as a way of trying to avoid his past and his immense age. Clara's uncomfortable feelings towards the Twelfth Doctor in Season 8 are based partially on the fact that he appears drastically older than he had been when she'd first met him. "Deep Breath" even explained that his previous prettyboy Hipster incarnation was in part an act of denial — looking young allowed him to convince himself that he was, even allowing himself to think of himself as Clara's "boyfriend". His return to an older appearance was finally being honest to himself about his age, and freeing himself of the lie allowed him to pursue his Nightmare Fetish. The Thirteenth Doctor, meanwhile, is full of a zest for life and being played by a woman in her 30s, seems drastically younger than most of the other incarnations, much in the same way that 10 and 11 were, representing both 12's decision to give it one more go and re-embrace the wonder of the universe and other people, and an extension of both his increased laxity towards taking life seriously and his loneliness, being one of the most sociable and emotionally involved incarnations. |
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The Abridged Series lampshades it: | |
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Star Wars Rebels has this between Leia and Ezra, who are both sixteen when they first meet. Leia's been raised as a diplomat and rebel in a royal household while Ezra is physically and emotionally stunted from his time on the streets. As such, Leia comes off as much older despite actually being slightly younger than he is. | |
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The best duelists are or look older in Yu-Gi-Oh! (cf. Seto and Dark!Yugi). Yugi himself is a good example, especially in the anime, where his change from his innocent normal self to Dark!Yugi is accompanied by him actually growing taller and more mature-looking. The Abridged Series lampshades it: |
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Slam Dunk: Done most obviously with Akagi, Uozumi, and Maki, who are all captains of their basketball team and all look about 30 (atleast). Subverted later on when the very boyish-looking Miyagi's made captain. | |
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: While Dawn could be bratty and overall very young-teenage-acting in seasons 5 and 6 (since she was a young teenager), there was a shift in her maturity during season 7. She was certainly as mature as Buffy who shirked her responsibilities and lied to her Watcher, mom, and friends so she could go make out. | |
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Pretty much the entire female cast of Negima! Magister Negi Magi. Gentle, motherly (but scary when she wants to be, just like a real mother) Chizuru looks to be the third oldest of the class. The first and second, veteran mercenary Mana and wise Ninja-girl Kaede, can't even get their student discount at the movies. Meanwhile, the two least mature members of the class, the Narutaki twins, look younger than their ten-year-old teacher, even though they're about a month older than Chizuru. Another prime example is Chizuru's roommate Natsumi, who's pretty underdeveloped, even goes as far as to use a variant of the "Oneechan" (Big sister) honorific when addressing Chizuru despite being a few months older than her. Negi himself falls under this. Later in the series, he spends a good chunk of time magically aged up a few years...and it fits his personality perfectly. Plenty of people comment that he doesn't really act like a ten year old. He does occasionally subvert it however: He still occasionally smiles like a ten-year-old. It also works in reverse where characters who he has seen naked many many times in the bath (he doesn't like to wash his hair) and other places without a problem suddenly give him the Megaton Punch after a slightly embarrassing situation. |
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Dissidia Final Fantasy is forced to deal with this problem because the more High Fantasy-style Final Fantasy entries treat young characters as adults, and the Urban Fantasy entries tend to treat them more like modern people of their age. The game plays this for intentional irony in places. The oldest Warrior of Cosmos is Cloud, who is 21 and looks and acts like it, making him seem much less mature than Cecil, who is 20 and acts and appears like a mature grown-up. Cloud is also treated as junior to Firion, who is 18. Bartz is also 20, and spends much of his storyline being babysat by the 17-year-old and more grown-up-looking Squall (who is treated in his own game as being a teenager, though one who acts very grown-up for his age). In a particularly cute application, Onion Knight (13) considers himself Terra's (18) big brother. | |
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Eyeshield 21 plays this trope to ridiculous extremes. Almost all of the cast is aged 15-18, yet you have characters like Komosubi who look and act like they're about 10 and characters like Mr. Don who look older then their own parents. | |
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Sailor Moon: Despite great variations in their appearance, most of the senshi are aged within a year of each other, with any grade differences being a product of also being transfer students. This is obscured the fact artists draw Haruka and Michiru as much older looking than the other characters, who gushed about how mature they seemed. The '90s anime even poked fun at the idea that Haruka's hobby of car driving doesn't really make legal sense. For those who are unaware Usagi and the Guardian/Inner Senshi are 14 when the first anime starts (and 15 when the outers are introduced and 16 when the show ends) Uranus and Neptune are 1 year older, while Setsuna is hard to pin due to time travel but is physically in her 20s (and attends college). Hotaru is twelve years at the time of her introduction but due to age-downs and ups it's hard to pin. Chibiusa is physically around 5 then around ages to around 10. In the manga she's really 900 years old. In each case, she physically cannot age until her senshi powers were awakened. |
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Revolution: Charlie and Danny Matheson seem to come across as little kids at times, but they are at least older teenagers and young adults at most. There is Nate Walker, who's treated like a kid, even though the actor playing him, J. D. Pardo, is actually 33 years old. | |
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