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A character does something worthy of punishment, but an alternate version, personality, clone or even past self (usually innocent or ignorant of the other's crimes) gets punished for it. Bewildering Punishment may ensue if the alternate self truly has no idea what they're being blamed for. Don't count on them causing the Death of Personality for the guilty one, because that may not always be possible. Related but distinct from Cartesian Karma, when someone is held accountable for crimes they "committed" because they were mind-controlled. Just as likely to be boiled down to Moral Luck. Compare Revenge by Proxy and Amnesiacs are Innocent. See also Karma Houdini, Alternate Identity Amnesia, Precrime Arrest, Criminal Doppelgänger, Doppelgänger Gets Same Sentiment, and Jekyll & Hyde. May overlap with Fantastic Legal Weirdness. |
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In Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Sarah is very hateful and distrustful of the T-800 assigned to protect John, as it looks and sounds like (and is the same model as) the machine that tried to murder her and succeeded in murdering Kyle Reese, even though this T-800 has done nothing but fight tooth and nail to keep her son alive. In the extended cut she even tries to destroy it by smashing its chip, forcing John to appeal to her cold pragmatism to (just barely) convince her to spare it by pointing out they need it as proof of Judgment Day. By the end of the movie though, while she's not moved to tears by its Heroic Sacrifice like John is, she at least has come to accept and admire it enough to give it an approving handshake and see it as more than just a machine. | |
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Star Trek Online has a couple of bizarre examples where this got crossed with a Stable Time Loop to become a Cycle of Revenge. In the Backstory to the game, the Iconians blew up the star Hobus (with assistance from some Quislings in the Tal Shiar), causing the destruction of the Romulan home system. In the mission "Midnight", at which time the Iconians are invading Earth, the Player Character travels back in time with several NPCs to ancient Iconia, where Sela kills several Iconians before being stopped. The surviving Iconians' present-day selves are the ones who blew up Hobus—revenge against the entire Romulan people for the actions of one—and are waging the war. A similar scenario happens between the Na'Kuhl and the Tholians in the Temporal Cold War storyline. The Tholians steal a superweapon and use it to deactivate the Na'Kuhl sun. Years later (in one of Cryptic Studios' story blogs), Na'Kuhl terrorists blow up a Tholian hatchery to avenge their homeworld, which triggers the original attack. |
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The second Runaways series opens with the Runaways hunting down Victor Mancha because his alternate-future self killed an alternate-future version of Gert. Thankfully, they soon realized how unfair this was and decided to conscript him to their team instead. | |
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In the manga adaptation of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Zelda explains that, after Ganondorf's defeat at the end of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, her previous incarnation turned back time seven years to undo all of the harm Ganondorf had caused... and, when he showed up for an audience with the king as expected, had him imprisoned and executed. However, once he's dead, Ganondorf sees why he was treated this way and continues his plan of world conquest anyway. | |
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A popular meme on Tumblr in the mid-2010s declares that anything uncouth the poster may have done is not their fault because it was done by "...my alter ego, Countess Boochie Flagrante". | |
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Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal: Dork has a kid inform a bully that he's going to clone the bully, lock it in an airless room, and just before it dies, tell it that it's because the 'real' bully took the kid's lunch money. | |
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Discworld: In Carpe Jugulum, Agnes' more vicious personality Perdita makes a nasty comment about Granny Weatherwax and gets slapped by Nanny Ogg for it... or rather, Agnes gets slapped for it since they share a body. | |
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Ayakashi Triangle: Chirizuka Kaiou initially mistakes Suzu for their previous life who sealed them away, not realizing it took over a hundred years for them to break out. When Garaku points out the difference, Kaiou considers them both equivalent. They'd be right for any other incarnation, who seemingly consider themselves one being, but Suzu uniquely managed to maintain a separate consciousness. The Gogyosen, the leaders of the Exorcist Ninja Association, hold a grudge against Suzu because her very first incarnation foiled their takeover of Japan nearly two millennia ago. Despite acknowledging that the lustful high-school girl is absolutely nothing like Iyo, they still want her dead. |
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"Roko's basilisk" is a hypothetical situation in which an artificial super-intelligence creates simulations of people who did not work to bring it into existence for the purpose of punishing them. When the concept was proposed by Less Wrong user Roko in July 2010, site creator Eliezer Yudkowsky was so alarmed by the concept — and the fact that Roko had posted it online, potentially putting readers in the basilisk's crosshairs — that he deleted Roko's post and banned all discussion of the topic for five years. | |
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Schlock Mercenary has an attempted inversion: At some point the crew arrests the gate-clone of a criminal, who argues only the original should be punished. He is rebuffed because he committed the crime before he was duplicated, and the process makes a perfect copy with all personality and memories. | |
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Shen Yuan transmigrates into the body of the villainous rival of a harem novel he was reading in SV Wishes. Almost immediately, he is punished for his host body's scheming and attempted sabotage despite having nothing to do with it. | |
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The Powerpuff Girls (1998): In the episode "Mime For A Change", Rainbow the Clown is transformed by a bleach spill into the evil Mr. Mime. The Powerpuff Girls manage to transform Mr. Mime back into Rainbow, then they beat up Rainbow and send him to jail even though he was Not Himself. Fortunately, in "Birthday Bash", he's seen entertaining at the Girls' birthday party, indicating that he had been forgiven. | |
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Pathfinder: Wealthy people who are worried about their fate in the afterlife sometimes create Shabti, Golem-like simulacra with copies of their memories, to suffer divine judgement in their place. Psychopomps try to get Shabti Rescued from the Underworld so they're not punished for their creators' misdeeds and can live out their own lives. | |
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Samurai Executioner: One of the criminals Asaemon has to execute is a woman whose Split Personality is a pyromaniac, but is completely unaware of what she does when in her trances. As Asaemon is against killing people who don't know why they're being killed, he arranges for fireworks to go off during the execution, causing the woman's other personality to take over, letting Asaemon execute the guilty personality with the innocent one (instead of just the innocent). | |
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Avatar: The Last Airbender: In "Avatar Day", Aang finds out too late that the titular Avatar Day is, for the local people he just stumbled upon, the day to desecrate the Avatar's image because of what the past Avatar (Kyoshi) did to their greatest king in the past. Upon finding out Aang is the current Avatar, they capture and immediately try to execute him. Played with in that all Avatars are the reincarnations of the previous one, and upon the execution, Kyoshi's soul briefly takes over Aang's body to... admit that she did kill the king, because said king was a tyrant conqueror who threatened her group. This just makes the villagers even angrier until Fire Nation thugs raid the village, forcing them to rely on Aang and friends to fend them off. | |
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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Dax". The Trill are a race of humanoid aliens. Some of them have another slug-like sapient alien implanted into their bodies, with the two combined beings forming a joint consciousness. The Trill Jadzia Dax is the combination of the Trill Jadzia and the symbiont Dax. During the episode she is arrested for a murder and treason allegedly committed thirty years ago by a previous Trill/symbiont combination named Curzon Dax, a merger of the Trill Curzon and the same symbiont Dax. The extradition hearing is based on the question of whether the current Jadzia/Dax combination can be held responsible for the crimes allegedly committed by the past Curzon/Dax combination. Ultimately the issue gets sidestepped when it turns out that Curzon Dax was framed in the first place. | |
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Steven Universe: Rose Quartz was a notorious rebel leader who turned against her Diamond, ultimately killing her. Steven inherited her gemstone, which makes him as much her reincarnation as her son. Numerous villains think it means he is Rose Quartz, and want to punish her for her crimes. Then it's revealed that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond all along and Pink Diamond's death was faked. And while her sisters are happy she's alive, they're still ticked that she didn't tell them anything when things started going too far out of control. | |
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The Flash (2014): a metahuman named Griffin Gray kidnapped Harry Wells, blaming him for Griffin's rapid aging. Only problem is, Harry is just the doppelganger of the guy who actually did do it- he's from Earth 2, while the real culprit is his Earth-1 counterpart who was actually Eobard Thawne/the Reverse Flash in disguise. | |
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Black Mirror: In "White Christmas", there are things called "Cookies" where people basically make perfect digital clones of themselves to work as personal assistants who live in simulated environments that can be controlled from outside; one Cookie was interrogated by the police over the actual person committing murder, and after confessing (to a crime they didn't commit personally, being the clone) they were punished with listening to Christmas Every Day on constant repeat... with the time slowed down so that just listening to it over Christmas break in the real world felt like over two million years in his time. | |
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League of Super Redundant Heroes: During an arc where the cast keep running into and through alternate timelines, one person encountered is thought to be the local (and female) version of an internet lowlife, one so abhorrent they leave just on the off-chance she's anything like the original (despite displaying no hostility or rudeness). | |
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Animorphs: In one alternate timeline, World War II is fought against a Franco-German alliance (with no Nazis in sight) and Hitler is just an army chauffeur with a particular mustache. Tobias (in Hork-Bajir morph, an alien with blades on its arms) instinctively puts him in a headlock despite Cassie pointing out that this Hitler isn't responsible for the Holocaust. He ends up with his throat slashed anyway (possibly accidentally). | |
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Dragon Quest VI: After the Evil Chancellor is ousted from the realm in the real world, his dream self (a rich and arrogant merchant) is arrested by the king in the dream world despite being completely unrelated to (and ignorant of) the crimes his real-world self committed. | |
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Planescape: Torment: The Nameless One wakes up at the start of the game with no memories. This turns out to be because they have Resurrective Immortality- each time they die, they'll regenerate but with no memories of anything they've done before (though for unexplained reasons, they've stopped losing their memories upon death now). This means that they've lived countless lives before and have done some pretty horrible things across those lives. There are many individuals in the game who remember previous incarnations of The Nameless One and still hold them accountable for those incarnations' deeds. In particular, the Mercykiller Vhailor will attempt to kill The Nameless One should he ever discover some of the character's previous crimes. The only way to stop him is to convince him that the endless suffering The Nameless One experiences as a result of their immortality is a far worse punishment. There's a magic item called the Elixer of Horrific Separation that can be found in a shop. The shop owner tells you that it was crafted for a woman who'd discovered that she had an alternate personality that was a depraved serial killer- the elixer would have split them into two separate people. Unfortunately for her, she was caught by the Mercykillers and executed for a series of murders before she could drink it. |
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An odd version in Avengers: Endgame: In the aftermath of Thanos ending half of all life in existence, the heroes manage to assemble what's left of the team and beat the crap out of Thanos... who has taken up the Call to Agriculture and barely puts up any resistance. He doesn't even have the Infinity Stones anymore, having used their own power to destroy them, greatly weakening himself in the process. The Avengers kill him anyway, but it's obvious they feel no satisfaction or justice from doing so. Fortunately, they go back in time to retrieve the stones to undo the damage and are followed by pre-snap Thanos, resulting in a Thanos who is very much satisfying to kill, even if he technically hadn't (yet) killed half of all life. It helps that, having seen the results of only killing half of it, he decides to kill the entire Universe and start over so no one will be "ungrateful" at him for it. | |
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The twin androids Popola and Devola in NieR: Automata are not the same units responsible for the demise of humanity in NieR, but all androids are hard-coded to shun and dislike them as punishment for the sins of their forebears. | |
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The Fairly OddParents! episode "The Switch Glitch" has Timmy wish Vicky was a five-year-old so he can have a turn as her Babysitter from Hell. Vicky has none of her memories of tormenting Timmy as a teenager, so he alternates between being unsatisfied with his payback and too spiteful to care—right before Timmy's fairy godparents are reassigned to Vicky because he made her so miserable. After tricking her into giving them back, Timmy has learned his lesson and decides to make it up to child-Vicky before aging her back up offscreen. | |
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The Mystery of Mamo starts with a clone of the main character, a notorious thief called Lupin III, being hanged in the place of the real version. Everybody believes the real one has been executed except Inspector Zenigata. | |
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In The Trader of Stories Chapter III Myo returns to the village she grew up in and discovers she, let's say, wasn't the nicest girl around. Most of the problems she needs to solve are the fault of her pre-amnesiac self, and she takes the fact in her stride, including a Bitch Slap from someone who only just learns she was the one who wronged them. | |
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Alya and the Harem Reality: Downplayed. Stommp doesn’t outright attack Alya for her past self interfering with Hawk Moth's wish and indirectly causing Master Fu's death in the new timeline thanks to Trixx's vouching for her, but Stommp emphasizes not wanting to stay with her because of it . | |
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Unedited Footage of a Bear: Donna, who is addicted to the fictional anti-depressant Claridryl, has multiple "clones" running around during the short; the main one, who is depicted as cruel and abusive to her children, representing her addicted personality. She hits Donna with her own car and then leaves to torment the children, leaving Donna to crawl back home. When Donna makes it, it's clear she's too late to do anything, as flashing red and blue lights approach her. In her addictive state she'd at least hurt her kids, causing police intervention, but it's staged as though the sane and injured Donna is innocent and the cruel, abusive Donna clone is the criminal. | |
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Empire Earth: After Grigor II (a giant robot with an AI powerful enough to serve as Grigor's heir) becomes a totalitarian dictator, Molotov (a true believer in Grigor's cause) returns to the past in the hopes of convincing Grigor of taking Novaya Russia down another path to avoid turning the revolution that returned Russia to a global superpower into a fascist nightmare. Unfortunately, Grigor turns out to have no problem letting things turn out this way as long as he's in power. Molotov shoots him dead and returns to the future, but the ending doesn't show whether this was for good or bad. | |
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Chrono Trigger: Ozzie VIII is the leader of Medina when you first meet him, using his kinship to the first Ozzie (The Dragon in the first part of the game) to boss other monsters around. It's possible to dethrone Ozzie in the past so when you return, Ozzie VIII is now a servant being bullied by the other monsters. While the player and the PCs know what happened, it's a Bewildering Punishment to Ozzie VIII since he was never a bully in this timeline. | |
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Doctor Who: In "The Impossible Astronaut", Amy, Rory, and River receive a mysterious summons by the Doctor to meet him in Utah, where they have a picnic by a lake. While there, someone dressed as an astronaut emerges from the lake, the Doctor goes to speak with them as if this is totally expected, and he is promptly shot dead, leaving his horrified and distraught friends to witness his murder and dispose of his body. After this traumatic experience, the three are in a diner discussing the purpose of what just occurred when in walks the Doctor, or rather a version of himself that's 200 years younger. River promptly slaps him for what his future self just put her through, and he quickly deduces that it was for something he's going to do in the future and that he's "looking forward to it". The episode "Let's Kill Hitler" introduces a team of time travelers who hunt down historic Karma Houdinis at the end of their lives and submit them to torture so that they face some sort of punishment. Ideally, they aren't altering the timeline, since the subject is about to die anyway (and, when necessary, their ship transforms into a copy of the person to live out the rest of their life). Except their ship is about as reliable as the TARDIS, and they wind up targeting Hitler 7 years early (he's plenty guilty already, true, but they're still including crimes he hasn't committed yet in his sentence), and they stumble on River Song the very day she's going to first attempt (and fail at) the crime they're targeting her for. |
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Dragonball Z Abridged: Trunks comes back from the future to tell the Z Fighters about two androids that are going to kill most of them and terrorize the rest of the world, and they resolve to kill them before they get the chance. Four of the two androids (Trunks didn't know about all of them) are antagonistic from the outset, so attacking them is justified without the future knowledge. The sixth is neutral. The seventh is identified while in a larval stage, before he's even emerged or had a chance to do anything, good, evil, or neutral. Trunks recognizes this and wonders about the morality of killing it before it's committed any crimes. Krillin drops the metaphor and announces "We're aborting Cell!" before blowing his incubator to smithereens. | |
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Hellblazer: In order to escape Hell, John Constantine creates a kind of Evil Twin by removing all his more unsavory aspects (baser urges, demonic blood, clinginess over an ex-girlfriend...) and leaving it in his place. This screws him over later when Demon Constantine is on Earth and ends up raping John's niece Gemma (during John's wedding). Believing it was the real John, Gemma summons a vengeance demon and sics it on her uncle. While the misunderstanding is cleared up, their relationship is irreparably broken (and John considers her right to hate him). | |
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Within the OneyPlays community, this is the premise of a famous discussion on the show: If you had your own pocket-sized clone (or "perfect copy") of Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Laden, would you feel personally justified in torturing them? Most of the debate in the discussion comes from clarifying Chris' bizarre definition of a clone, actually. | |
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This is the defining characteristic for Angel on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and later on his own show.: When Angelus is cursed by gypsies, he is given a soul, creating the alternate personality Angel. As someone who was a soulless vampire for over a hundred years before having his conscience restored by a curse, he suffers from terrible guilt for the things he remembers doing (which started with killing his entire family and escalated from there). Exactly how culpable he is for them is left vague - some characters seem to regard Angel and his evil persona Angelus as two different people, while others see him as a mass murderer who shouldn't be left off the hook just because he's started feeling bad for his crimes - but Angel himself at least accepts enough of the guilt to have dedicated the rest of his immortal existence to doing good in repentance. | |
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In Everything Everywhere All at Once, Jobu Tupaki hates and attacks Evelyn because of how an alternate universe version of Evelyn pressured Jobu, her daughter, into traveling between universes so often it broke her mind into becoming a Straw Nihilist experiencing every universe at once. | |
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A double variant in the seventh Captain Underpants book: In Book 7, Melvin and Mr. Krupp go through a "Freaky Friday" Flip, which results in Krupp being rude to Miss Anthrope and causing trouble as Captain Underpants, while in Melvin's body. When Melvin gets back into his own body, an angry mob arrives to chase after him, believing him to be responsible for the actions done by his flipped version. Melvin deserves what he gets, though not for the things they're mad about. | |
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In Babylon 5, the Earth Alliance's standard method of capital punishment is Death of Personality. In "Passing Through Gethsemane", a group of people related to a serial killer's victims attempts to take revenge on the person he's become post-mind wipe, a Trappist monk. They, however, hire a telepath to bring back the monk's memories of his crimes in an attempt at defying this trope, but only partially succeed — nothing of the monk's previous personality returns and, horrified at who he used to be, he accepts his upcoming death as proper punishment (at least he gets the answer to the question he was seeking for spiritual enlightenment right before they pull the trigger). | |
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In The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye, a launch accident causes the spaceship Lost Light and its crew to be duplicated in a different part of space. An investigation of the duplicate by the survivors of the "original" crew finds all of its occupants murdered in terrible ways. It also reveals that the ship's resident scientist is, in fact, a Decepticon spy, and begins an arc with him as the primary antagonist. While it later becomes apparent that he was acting for the greater good, he is still judged guilty and briefly imprisoned for selling out the crew to a Decepticon hit squad, something that his quantum duplicate was technically responsible for. | |
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Masako X - Dragon Ball What-If What if Trunks met Kid Bulma?: After a time-traveling Trunks in early Dragon Ball Z [gets called out by Goku for letting Piccolo kidnapped Gohan for "training" without even knowing if Piccolo has turned good yet, he decides to return to his original objective of preventing the androids by killing Dr. Gero before he finishes building the android. This gets Deconstructed, as both his mother Bulma and Yamcha are horrified that he just killed the man for no discernable reason. Defied in What if Goku Had a Sister?, where after Bad Launch shoots Jocha with the intent to kill just because she was getting close to Tien, Tien goes to take her down only to find a horrified Good Launch instead. Tien bitterly thinks that Bad Launch knew he would Never Hurt an Innocent, though he lets Launch know that her Bad self is no longer welcome in his home. |
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