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Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_1'); })Due to the long history of Atlantis, merpeople, sea monsters and other myths about the ocean, people are fascinated by the mystique of the sea. Most Speculative Fiction stories, particularly in the fantasy vein, may well try to explore or add to the setting by introducing the presence of some sentient underwater species inspired by merpeople. Futuristic science-fiction oriented series will have humans colonize the ocean floor in undersea domes - or perhaps people have discovered that cetaceans are actually sentient and have been in hiding all along. In the horror genre, there may be an Eldritch Abomination and its spawn waiting at the bottom of the ocean. An alien race or precursor artifacts might be down there somewhere, too. Plus, the ocean has pirates. You'd think that all of this might make for a really cool setting for stories. Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_2'); })You'd be wrong. The ocean is boring to humans. All of the conventions of human society are missing from the ocean. Even with the addition of colonies to the seafloor, you can't really write a story down there as easily as you could on land. There are probably no ocean theme parks, no underwater romantic restaurants, no ability for the cast to move around. Also, like it or not, the basis for about 80% of fantasy, science fiction, drama, and adventure stories is They Fight Crime!. But there's hardly going to be any crime to fight — there are no underwater bank robberies. Also, everything underwater is typically depicted in various shades of blue. This will get depressing and boring alike after a while. The fact that things tend to move more slowly underwater doesn't help, either. As Larry Niven once said, humans mostly only use or think about the top of an ocean. From the perspective of most humans, the ocean has only one environment: water. There are no forests to get lost in, deserts to be stranded in, mountains to scale, swamps crawling with disease, or cities to have adventures in. It's just water and fish. This is a vast oversimplification of the incredible diversity in underwater ecosystems and biomes to the point of outright falsehood — any oceanographer would tell you there are forests, mountains, barren wastelands, briny mires, plenty of places to put Atlantis, and much more — but it's the popular perception. Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_3'); })As a result, settings that have a rich undersea world will inevitably ignore it. Writers just can't figure out what to do with it. It will be pushed into the background, forgotten about, or openly mocked. Tabletop game expansions that take place underwater are just going to produce a heck of a lot of unused character templates - because creating an underwater setting or making a character that has to have saltwater poured over their gills regularly is hard. Besides, it's rather hard for a being without lungs to survive out of the water, so their utility outside their intended setting is limited. And living your life in a futuristic sterilized bubble colony at the bottom of the sea where there are no intergalactic battles or intrigue would just be plain boring when you could set a story on a space station! Speaking of which: Space settings share something of the same problem, with the side-benefit that space, given FTL travel, is a route to other planets where humans might find useful environments. Humans, like other animal species, have an environmental niche which we require to exist. A race of undersea sapients would likely find land stories boring, because they can't experience land directly, just as humans can't experience undersea (or space) directly. Any being has a limited range of environments it can ever directly experience. See Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale, All Planets Are Earth-Like, Single-Biome Planet, Rubber-Forehead Aliens, and Planet of Hats. For related underwater tropes, see: Water Is Air, This Looks Like a Job for Aquaman, Flying Seafood Special, Under the Sea, Token Aquatic Race. Contrast Awesome Underwater World. Examples |
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And The Snorks did this to a lesser extent (at least the characters SWAM). | |
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Lampshaded in the book How to Be a Superhero in the section addressing aquatic superpowers. There's no places to conquer or rob underwater, so there isn't much point to underwater superheroes. | |
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Thankfully averted in Subnautica where the environment ranges from colorful shallows to verdant kelp forests to ominous depths lit by bioluminescent corals. | |
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Digimon: The smallest group of Mons is the Deep Savers - Digimon based on aquatic animals or monsters like Cthulhu and Leviathan. There are only a couple of dozen of them, while every other group has about 100 monsters each. To make things even worse, you don't have to breathe in the Digital World - in other words: there's absolutely no point to having an aquatic monster. In Digimon Adventure 02, Iori/Cody's Mon got a transformation into a submarine. It was used exactly four times in all 50-something episodes. (This despite If It Swims, It Flies being in effect; Submarimon is perfectly capable of making you eat missiles out of the water.) |
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In Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Endless Frontier, the player can't explore the aquatic realm of Varna Kanai save for Wilkurkind's ruins. | |
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The third title of the Monster Hunter series averted this as listed below, but then played completely straight in the fourth title when they removed the swimming mechanic that the previous game advertised and used so much entirely. | |
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Kingdom Hearts II limited the The Little Mermaid section of the game to nothing more than a singing minigame. | |
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Bodies of water in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild are in the same category as Wind Waker: you cannot dive, and swimming is limited by a stamina gauge, so exploring them is limited. The most you can do below the surface is pull out metal objects with Magnesis and interact with some fish. The ocean that makes up the east end of the map mostly just contains islands, and the resident race of fish people are located by a waterfall and lake rather than under the sea. Oddly, there is a patch of detailed coral in the seaside village that cannot be seen clearly in-game without careful manipulation of the camera, suggesting that more underwater exploration may have been a planned thing at some point in the game's development. | |
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Sub-Mariner suffers from some of the same problems as Aquaman. It got to the point that Marvel went out of their way in one of his previous miniseries to have him spend nearly the entire story AWAY from Atlantis and ended the series blowing it up and moving his people to Latveria, of all places. Atlantis was recovering... until Fear Itself, which dealt a serious blow to Namor's self-confidence. | |
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Old World of Darkness There were a couple of underwater races (weresharks, merpeople, and, bizarrely, mervampires) and settings that were largely ignored by the player base. The trope title was lampshaded in the underwater sourcebook Blood-Dimmed Tides, with a sidebar explaining that the book doesn't say anything about Atlantis because it has been done to death. The book featured a great deal of material for getting regular groups underwater, but nobody really paid any attention, and the new threats (like the Lovecraftian Chulorviah) were left alone in later books. |
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This is probably the reason why My Little Pony hasn't featured hippocampi in ages, except in a spinoff where their aquatic origin didn't really matter. This was averted in Season 8 of Friendship is Magic. When the CMC transform and visit the underwater city of Seaquestria, Scootaloo actually prefers it to the surface world. |
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Somewhat averted in Alpha Centauri, since you can build aquatic cities (or submerge existing ones) and the alien fungus which is one of the best resources later in the game grows just as well in the sea. | |
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Invoked in the Sesame Street song "I Don't Want to Live on the Moon" in a verse about living in the sea: "I might stay for a day there, if I had my wish, but there's not much to do when your friends are all fish." | |
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Doraemon: Nobita and the Castle of the Undersea Devil have Atlantis being a dead world thanks to A.I. Is a Crapshoot. As it turns out, the ancient Atlanteans created robots as servants, but their robots malfunctioned and wipes out everything alive in it, before sealing Atlantis in a single force-field. They're now at war with another underwater world, the peaceful kingdom of Mu, and the AI controlling the robots of Atlantis, Poseidon, have plans to invade the surface world. | |
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It's a plot point in Golden Sun: The Lost Age with Lemuria, aptly named after another supposed sunken landmass. Much of the story starting in the second half of the first game revolves around attempts to get to this fabled civilization within an impassable sea that is known to possess a fountain of youth, and then when you finally get there... not much is happening. Turns out, being sealed off from the rest of the world isn't very good for cultural development, and it's directly linked to the sealing of Alchemy, which is what the lost age in the title is referring to. Two children even complain how there's nothing to do, and there really isn't, other than a gambling game and a collectible or two. | |
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DuckTales (2017) has an episode in which the cast ventures to the city of Atlantis. The setting is almost completely irrelevant to the plot with the main conflict coming from Scrooge's nemesis Flintheart Glomgold. Even the story behind Atlantis' downfall is largely unimpressive; they just didn't build a good enough foundation. Many places have very little history or were simplified to make room for jokes and main cast relations. There is even a running gag of Launchpad finding far more interesting stories offscreen. This could have been a main source of comedy and family dynamics, but the writers probably found it too distracting. |
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The ocean is really just an obstacle in Civilization. Aside from some seafood, there are no resources all the way until the Industrial Era (when you can build oil platforms), and it takes massive amounts of time to earn the necessary techs to cross it. Navies mean very little on almost every map type. Most civilizations only care about the ocean in terms of getting land units across it and onto the next continent as soon as possible. Especially egregious when one considers the massive influence that the ocean and seapower has had on the course of human development. Somewhat averted in Alpha Centauri, since you can build aquatic cities (or submerge existing ones) and the alien fungus which is one of the best resources later in the game grows just as well in the sea. Civilization V moves away from this a little bit; sea resources are available from almost the very beginning, maritime trade routes are far more lucrative than their land-based counterparts, and barbarian encampments will send out ships to pillage those trade routes (so you have to send your navy to protect them). Unfortunately the AI is pretty bad at naval warfare, so their fleets are never a very significant or interesting threat. |
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Street Sharks. Granted, the show had other obvious problems, but the big one was that the boys turned into shark-hybrids that swam through the streets. | |
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Tellingly, the New 52 Aquaman title is the most popular in decades, and Atlantis didn't appear until over a year into the book — Aquaman is headquartered out of a lighthouse and claims to not even know where Atlantis is. Naturally, his adventures are still primarily oceanic, but he didn't live underwater for a good while. Eventually (and inevitably) he did reclaim the throne of Atlantis, with stuff like rival kingdoms and usurpers keeping things interesting. | |
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The Sega Saturn game Deep Fear somehow manages to make a survival horror game at the bottom of the ocean (which has the inherent advantage of perfectly justifying why no one can leave) into a dull, monotonous, boring experience. A lot of it had to do with the endless backtracking, slow action, and being near bereft of challenge. It's really, really boring. It certainly doesn't inspire any kind of fear, especially not of the deep variety. | |
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Most of the aquatic supplements for Dungeons & Dragons were ignored. Or any tabletop RPG, really. There's also the sunken cities of the Aboleth. But then few adventurers would survive a visit, so it rarely comes into play. The "Savage Tide" adventure path published in Dungeon magazine kept getting close to providing aquatic adventures, but never quite delivered. The adventurers explore an ancient ruined Aboleth city, and find that it's in ruins because a magical artifact drove all the water out of it leaving it stranded in an enormous air bubble. Then later the plot takes the party to a plane known as "The Deep", home realm of an evil deep-sea god, and it turns out to be a pretty ordinary island in a storm-tossed but otherwise normal ocean surface. The most common demonic minions encountered there were the vulture-like Vrocks. 5e's tritons are an amusing inversion- they spend their lives fighting underwater threats like kraken and sahagin, but because it all happens underwater, people on the surface tend to belittle or mock their legitimate accomplishments. It's kind of a running joke among roleplaying gamers that aquatic races exist to pad out the page count of monster manuals. |
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In Harry Potter, a tribe of merfolk inhabit the lake on Hogwarts grounds. They are one of the least-explored of the series' various fantastic creatures and races, appearing in one chapter of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and showing up again to sing at Dumbledore's funeral and that's it. | |
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The Xandri Corelel book Tone of Voice focuses on sapient sea creatures, but aside from one scene, most of the action takes place either on the surface or on a land mass. | |
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Commander Keen had an underwater level (The Well of Wishes), and it was boring. No more jumping, no more pogoing, no more shooting or anything interesting, just 8 directions, a maze and some things that can kill you. If you don't start drawing a map... Though at the same time, you have to give it some credit for introducing the Dopefish. |
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The Legend of Zelda: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: This is especially weird because the entire overworld is the ocean, and yet it's little more than something to traverse. There's no diving and even simply trying to swim can cause you to run out of breath. The one underwater location magically acts as if it isn't completely submerged. Bodies of water in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild are in the same category as Wind Waker: you cannot dive, and swimming is limited by a stamina gauge, so exploring them is limited. The most you can do below the surface is pull out metal objects with Magnesis and interact with some fish. The ocean that makes up the east end of the map mostly just contains islands, and the resident race of fish people are located by a waterfall and lake rather than under the sea. Oddly, there is a patch of detailed coral in the seaside village that cannot be seen clearly in-game without careful manipulation of the camera, suggesting that more underwater exploration may have been a planned thing at some point in the game's development. |
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TigerSharks, which was ThunderCats underwater. It only lasted one season. Their main enemy was a hydrophobic crime boss, on a world covered in nothing but water. What part of this seemed like a good idea? | |
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Atlantis in Invincible is the most boring place in the world, at first. Second time it appears, it's actually interesting. | |
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Ocean Girl was a live-action Australian kid's series about an amphibious alien girl called Neri that befriended boys living in an underwater base. It was incredibly long-running, and actually somewhat interesting - but most of the episodes took place on dry land (on the nearby islands) or in the base. And the main point of the series was less adventuring in the ocean, and more trying to keep up a Masquerade of not letting anyone know the girl can breathe underwater before getting progressively more arc-based, with themes such as Neri's origins, the discovery of her sister and another male alien, an alien artifact scattered in pieces across the world that's the key to preventing the End of the World as We Know It and culminating in a three way battle between the main cast, a couple of evil aliens who want to melt the polar icecaps allowing their race to take over the Earth and Australian agents. | |
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Ever since the introduction of the move Dive in the third generation of games, its use to go underwater on certain areas has only made one comeback (if you don't count the third generation remakes). Presumably, this is because underwater environments in their first appearance where very uniform and monotonous, and they only featured three different Pokemon to find and catch (and of those, only two were new, one was Chinchou, which debuted on the previous generation), no matter where you dived. | |
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The underwater level of the second Jimmy Neutron game was quite tedious, relying on attempting to fit your sub through obnoxiously tight spaces while dealing with monotonous environment design and music. In contrast to the fast-paced gameplay which set Jimmy Neutron vs Jimmy Negatron apart from its predecessor, this level was extremely slow and long. | |
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There was going to be an Atlantis level in God of War II, but it was cut. Although Atlantis would later become the main setting of God of War: Ghost of Sparta, it was its pre-sinking version, and Kratos left before Thera sank it. | |
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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne. It's a product of its time and reads like one, but even a mid- to late-19th century novel should be called up on the carpet for including paragraph upon paragraph of the names of exotic sea creatures and plants with only occasional description. If ever there was justification for not paying authors by the word, this would be it: But he did more or less avert the trope with battles with sharks, forests of seaweed and other adventures under the ocean. They actually do visit Atlantis. It's just a collection of ruined buildings, though. All of the Les Voyages Extraordinaires are written like that though, Five Weeks in a Balloon was rejected for being "too scientific". What Hetzel published was toned down. The sequel, The Mysterious Island, included the same detailed description of the plants and animals on the island. It also included detailed instructions on how to make dynamite with only natural materials. |
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Sea routes in Pokémon are easily the most boring and frustrating areas in the main games. It's due to little variety of trainer classes (pretty much limited to swimmers and their variants) and Pokemon to find (most of them being Wingull, Tentacool and Basculin), along with long stretches of nothing but open sea. The Hoenn region games are probably the worst offenders, since half of the region consists of various islands scattered throughout the ocean. Ocean that you have to Surf through several times, before you eventually become able to get around by Flying, at which point you'll probably avoid traveling by sea whenever possible. Ever since the introduction of the move Dive in the third generation of games, its use to go underwater on certain areas has only made one comeback (if you don't count the third generation remakes). Presumably, this is because underwater environments in their first appearance where very uniform and monotonous, and they only featured three different Pokemon to find and catch (and of those, only two were new, one was Chinchou, which debuted on the previous generation), no matter where you dived. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the third generation remakes, introduced some changes to try and avert this. Travel and exploration by sea was made much easier with more checkpoints for the player to fly to and the introduction of Sharpedo as a Power Up Mount that was faster than usual, and the underwater zones got their own unique trainer classes (Scuba Divers and Free Divers) and an upgrade to the scenery. However, if the infamous "Too much water" IGN review is anything to go by, the success of these changes was limited. This trope is probably the reason why Alola, a region based on Hawaii, has no water routes between the main islands (unlike Hoenn). Water trails do exist, but the ones you have to cross to beat the game are few and far between. Also, sea routes are limited to coastal areas where you're not too far away from land at any given time. Water-type Pokémon themselves avoid this trope. They're slightly the most common type, and there are plenty of fan favorites among them such as Squirtle and Gyarados. It helps that they all are fully utilizable on land. Fish and other legless Pokemon just swim in the air when used on land without comment by the games, but this is for the player's convenience and not considered canon. |
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The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: This is especially weird because the entire overworld is the ocean, and yet it's little more than something to traverse. There's no diving and even simply trying to swim can cause you to run out of breath. The one underwater location magically acts as if it isn't completely submerged. | |
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The underwater base the team infiltrates in We Are The Wyrecats is located in the Marianas Trench, but as the comic is largely focused on action during that chapter, there isn't much focus given to the undersea life or landforms. | |
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The developers of the Twisted Metal series set out to make Critical Depth, a submarine version of Twisted Metal. As it turned out, you can't take a franchise with rooftop jumping, drift-by shooting and bouncing around in a temple flooded with lava and replace it all with "you can go left, right, up, down, forwards and backwards". The identical blue water used in every environment from a coral reef to the polar sea and an alien base wasn't helping. At least the game had mechanical piranha swarms. | |
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seaQuest DSV. That setting had some potential—the ocean floor was heavily enough colonized to have a full range of human activity for the characters to have adventures with—but the writers weren't up to it. The show did have its moments. | |
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If you get a submarine in a Final Fantasy game you can explore the entire bottom of the sea but there will be only a single dungeon and maybe one or two secret treasures on the entire worldmap. in Final Fantasy X you don't even get the benefit of the sub. | |
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Magic: The Gathering: Despite being one of the original iconic races, complete with their own lord right from the first print run, merfolk ended up taking something of a back seat to land-dwelling creatures like elves or goblins, culminating in no more being printed at all after the Invasion block ended. Six years later, Lorwyn finally brought them back... as river dwellers. Somewhat averted with the merfolk of the Odyssey block, whose civilization was at war with itself and, with the exception of Ambassador Laquatus, only really became involved in the larger plot when other characters had to come down there. In the Zendikar block and on many other planes visited after that, merfolk are depicted as bipedal, allowing them to be used in surface plotlines. Some early cards representing sea creatures were designed with the weakness that they couldn't attack unless the defending player controlled islands and would die immediately if their own controller didn't control any islands, the idea being that these are aquatic things that can't survive on dry land. But that raises more questions than it answers. (Why can't dragons destroy forests with a breath? How can anything except Mountain Goats attack a player with mountains?) If the lands represent the actual terrain that battles are taking place on, then no creatures native to water could fight on the land or vice versa. Under that theory, Atlantis would have to be boring, and so they cut back on purely aquatic creatures. |
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In Gender Bender DNA Twister Extreme a lot of characters gain the ability to become Half-Human Hybrids of animals, and inevitably one of them becomes a mermaid. It makes no bones about how fast this gets boring, and when she confronts her friend about it later she holds back nothing about how no, it was not awesome. | |
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The submerged areas in the Metroid Prime series are a somewhat interesting case. They do have some nice puzzles and you do get an upgrade that takes away the mobility reduction, but they suffer from reduced coloring and visibility. This was not helped at all in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes by having That One Boss and several Demonic Spiders in there. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption just removed water altogether. | |
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Played completely straight with hololive's Gura Gawr, whose official backstory says that she's an Atlantean who got bored with the ocean and decided to see what the surface world was like. | |
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Aquaman's titles suffer from this, badly. In the case of the eponymous character himself, they keep on trying to avert this, but it never takes. Their first big attempt in one of his more recent series was making him into an underwater retread of the King Arthur story. This was followed by having San Diego turn into an underwater city and all of the inhabitants turned into merpeople so that Aquaman could fight crime. "Sub Diego" proved somewhat popular and managed to last until the book was reworked to star a new Aquaman. In universe the arc played the trope straight for all it was worth for the new inhabitants who had their entire lives upended and often dealt with boredom over now missing all the on land activities and amenities they took for granted. Before Sub Diego, the later issues of Aquaman's previous title rather desperately tried to provide him with crime to fight by suddenly giving Poseidonis (Atlantis's capital city) dark alleys, racial prejudice, a drug problem (hallucinogenic fish) and a humanoid-shark mob boss. The only part of this that rung even vaguely true to the city's portrayal up until then was the racial prejudice (these were the same people who left young Arthur to die because he had blond hair). Tellingly, the New 52 Aquaman title is the most popular in decades, and Atlantis didn't appear until over a year into the book — Aquaman is headquartered out of a lighthouse and claims to not even know where Atlantis is. Naturally, his adventures are still primarily oceanic, but he didn't live underwater for a good while. Eventually (and inevitably) he did reclaim the throne of Atlantis, with stuff like rival kingdoms and usurpers keeping things interesting. |
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SpongeBob SquarePants deserves a special mention here, since there's hardly any recognition that the series takes place underwater at all. There's no swimming, people drive on the floor in boats, fires are lit - etc. Basically, the setting is purely cosmetic. There is swimming, but they only do it in the beach. Yes, an underwater beach in which some fish drown. Granted the place is called "goo lagoon", so it's probably some kind of low-oxygen brine. And The Snorks did this to a lesser extent (at least the characters SWAM). |
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Back in the 90s, they put out Man O War, a naval combat game set in the Warhammer world. Despite plenty of support, the game did poorly, to the point where it is one of the handful of games whose rules are not available from GW's Specialist Games site. | |
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In the Team Fortress 2 comics, the people of New Zealand sunk their country and made a underwater domed city to live in. However they aren't really happy about it as the Sniper's father bankrupted the city, and made a huge hole in the glass dome, flooding the city, when he tried to send Sniper into space, but ended up in Australia instead. | |
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Minecraft was arguably an example of this trope in its earlier versions. There was a single aquatic mob (squid), and the player could create an epic underwater base and ruins, but otherwise there wasn't much to do underwater. The 1.8 (post full release) update added underwater temples, a hostile aquatic mob, an aquatic boss, and a plethora of blocks that can only be obtained underwater. The 1.13 update (Update Aquatic) averted the trope even further by adding more aquatic mobs, corals and seaweed, as well as Underwater Ruins and shipwrecks. Some players in multiplayer have taken advantage of this trope by building bases underwater exactly because they're boring to be around, and hence rival players are less likely to loot it. | |
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Sealab 2020 was a Hanna-Barbera cartoon about a colony under the sea that may have been one of the most boring shows in the history of television. Its parodic sequel series, Sealab 2021 had a lot of stuff going on, mostly at the behest of the Too Dumb to Live crew. One episode was a full ep of 2020 (with 2021 cast) just to show how boring it was. Interestingly enough, the International Space Station has a DVD copy of ''Sealab 2021'' season 1 as part of the crew recreational media, since space can get kind of boring, too. |
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Its parodic sequel series, Sealab 2021 had a lot of stuff going on, mostly at the behest of the Too Dumb to Live crew. One episode was a full ep of 2020 (with 2021 cast) just to show how boring it was. Interestingly enough, the International Space Station has a DVD copy of ''Sealab 2021'' season 1 as part of the crew recreational media, since space can get kind of boring, too. |
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In Digimon Adventure 02, Iori/Cody's Mon got a transformation into a submarine. It was used exactly four times in all 50-something episodes. (This despite If It Swims, It Flies being in effect; Submarimon is perfectly capable of making you eat missiles out of the water.) | |
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This trope is probably the reason why Alola, a region based on Hawaii, has no water routes between the main islands (unlike Hoenn). Water trails do exist, but the ones you have to cross to beat the game are few and far between. Also, sea routes are limited to coastal areas where you're not too far away from land at any given time. | |
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The ability to create an aquatic race in Spore was probably axed for reasons related to this. | |
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Baywatch eventually had issues writing around this - you can only have so many children get trapped in underwater air pockets. Fortunately, the show compensated in other areas. | |
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Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the third generation remakes, introduced some changes to try and avert this. Travel and exploration by sea was made much easier with more checkpoints for the player to fly to and the introduction of Sharpedo as a Power Up Mount that was faster than usual, and the underwater zones got their own unique trainer classes (Scuba Divers and Free Divers) and an upgrade to the scenery. However, if the infamous "Too much water" IGN review is anything to go by, the success of these changes was limited. | |
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Ariel certainly holds this view of Atlantica and undersea life in general in The Little Mermaid (1989). Sebastian tries to convince her otherwise, but to no avail. | |
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In Roverandom, the titular dog visits the undersea kingdom after living on the ridiculously imaginative moon, making the sea seem dull in comparison. | |
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