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Even in a series where the characters aren't traditionally good or evil, there will be one who is an idealist. Perhaps they seem to have a strange compulsion to help others even when it isn't convenient, or perhaps they live by a set of principles. From the point of view of the others, that character will be completely untrustworthy; everyone else can be depended upon to act in their own self-interest, but nobody can predict the idealist, especially when they decide to uphold their ideals over their own apparent self-preservation. This trope is a hallmark of Lawful Neutral characters of Type 2 and 3, as well as Chaotic Good characters, and is a major contributor to their frequent Flanderization into Lawful Stupid. Compare Knight Templar and Good Is Dumb. Contrast Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. |
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Saxony Canterbury of Thunderstruck, who forms uneasy alliances with a Knight Templar organization willing to kill for sex in a chapel, a witch who killed his sister for a Human Sacrifice and Satan himself...all for the sake of two teenage girls. | |
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Victor Cachat, the young spymaster for the New Republic of Haven in the Honor Harrington series, is an idealist. He puts himself through and into Hell over his moral issues. He is also the most ruthless SOB in the entire setting when he needs to be. Several of Honor's own rivals have been left aghast at her willingness to drag some odious maneuver of theirs out into the open when they had assumed that she would "play the game" the same way they would. It helps that her very refusal means they have no ammo for doing the same to her. |
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Heroes: In the second season, Mohinder gets caught up in some morally-grey subterfuge. But, unfortunately, he's an idealist, he doesn't want anyone to get hurt, he tells the truth at the worst possible time and seems terribly inexperienced at fibbing, and he tends to switch sides just because he trusts too easily. So he repeatedly manages to blow up everybody else's plans. Peter Petrelli, as his brother Nathan explains to fellow schemer Tracy, is a similar type: |
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The fact that Fighter is not a sociopath is often an obstacle the Light Warriors of 8-Bit Theater must overcome, such as here. | |
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From Harry Potter, Snape doesn't really lie to Harry. He hates him, his father, his untameable hair. He doesn't really lie to Dumbledore. He was a Death Eater because he wanted to be one. He doesn't dislike the cause. He detests Muggles and his lineage. It's nigh impossible to lie to Voldemort. He even told him he fancied Lily Potter, Voldemort just wouldn't hear of it. Fans spent years debating whether his attitude yet conflicting behavior meant he was on the good side, on the bad side, or on his own, but he was never that much of a chessmaster and his goal was never that complex. He was just a Death Eater who made a Heel–Face Turn because he really loved Lily Potter. | |
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In The Resurrection of Father Brown, the titular priest immediately and repeatedly denies that there was anything miraculous about his seeming resurrection from the dead. It later turns out that his mock death and resurrection had been arranged by his enemies, who were planning to later denounce him as a fraud. They couldn't imagine that Father Brown would be too honest and humble to claim a miracle for his God and Church. | |
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The Reverend Darren Englund, in the Whateley Universe stories. He's so idealistic and so concerned about protecting the planet from demonic threats that he hires assassins to kill a schoolgirl, which leads to an invasion of the Superhero School Whateley Academy. On the other hand, the girl in question is prophesied to become The Kellith, whose spawn will wipe humans from the earth. Interestingly enough, before the incident, she had already killed her own future self, theoretically negating that possibility. Also, if anything would make Kellith go evil, the stuff this guy does would. Considering his 'hate-filled sermons', he might just be a straight-out Knight Templar. Him helping to rescue Kerry in "Angel in Father John's Basement" helps. | |
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Discworld: Carrot from the Watch novels frequently triumphs because he is so honest and straightforward that the scheming, backstabbing people of Ankh-Morpork don't know how to deal with him. (Being strong enough to knock out a troll in a bar fight helps too...) Later on, he acquires a good dose of cunning but maintains the image and scrupulous honesty - in Men at Arms he's trying to get some information out of a Guild leader, and tells him, with a very serious air, that if the guildmaster doesn't do what he wants, he will, unfortunately and very much against his will, be forced to "carry out the order I was given just before entering." Said order? To leave quietly if the guildmaster refused to help. However, the guildmaster assumes it to be more along the lines of "break a few arms" and, in a panic, relents. His then commander, Sergeant Colon, is astonished that someone would not simply bluff on a bad hand, but with no cards. Cohen the Barbarian. Not because of his own honesty, but because he assumes everyone else is just as honest as he is. Thus in Interesting Times, when a soldier says, "I would rather die than betray my emperor", Cohen kills him. It doesn't take long for people to stop saying this unless they mean it. Sam Vimes, (Carrot's superior) also gets treated like this on some occasions. Notably, the city's Magnificent Bastard lord, Vetinari, has said that someone who is too honest to play the game makes those who are playing (like the city's nobility) nervous, and Vetinari finds that to be quite useful. Also, when Vimes goes back in time in Night Watch, Vetinari's aunt makes a similar observation. William de Worde in The Truth not only Will Not Tell a Lie himself (it was almost literally beaten into him) but is scrupulously dedicated to the truth and to making sure everyone gets the chance to hear it. Even when they're more interested in stupid stories. This makes him a dangerous monkey wrench in the works of the latest plan to unseat Vetinari because he doesn't gloss over what happened and take the visible facts to be the truth, he goes looking for the actual truth. And he's fond of using Exact Words to persuade people of things without actually lying. |
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The Quest for the Legends: Robin's insistence that Honesty Is the Best Policy threatens to tear the team apart when they can't agree on whether or not May should tell the police about her Tyranitar. | |
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Shinji Kido of Kamen Rider Ryuki fits this trope to a T. The other Riders consider him somewhat of a Wild Card (an outlook mostly enforced in the 13 Riders TV special, where they gang up on him) because his fumbling is threatening the status quo. He is also a Spanner in the Works of nearly cosmic degree. | |
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Nao Kanzaki starts the Liar Game described accurately as "Foolishly Honest," meaning she expects everyone else to be just as honest as she is by nature. As the Game progresses, however, Nao begins to prove herself perfectly capable of deception and manages several Crowning Moments of Awesome through it. In fact, her lies have frequently relied on people being aware of her honest nature, since no one stops to think she might be lying. She also makes use of her honest nature to become a Magnetic Hero, as she's the only person in the game who can be trusted to not have Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. | |
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In "All Too Well" the singer accuses her boyfriend of using honesty as an excuse to be cruel after their relationship ended. | |
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Euphemia terrifies politicians in Code Geass: The Prepared Rebellion because she's determined to root out corruption in Area 11 and can't be bought off. Since they can't comprehend the idea of an honest politician, they assume Euphemia can't be bought because she's already been bought and waste time trying to figure out who bribed her and what their motives are. | |
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The Owl House: Belos refuses to keep his promise to free The Collector even after he learned so much magic and many secrets from them, since he doesn't trust that he won't start sharing the same magic with others. This comes bite him in the ass later when King promises to be The Collector's playmate if they stop Belos' plan and they fulfill it since, for such a Chaotic Neutral creature of godlike powers, they consider a Pinky Swear nothing less than a sacred oath. | |
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Remus of Sanders Sides fame is a unique example in that his honesty is precisely why he's feared; Remus is the personification of imagination that exclusively creates ideas that Thomas finds too disturbing, violent or sexual to explore and usually experiences in the form of intrusive thoughts. As such, Remus has absolutely no filter and will torment Thomas and the other sides with every R-rated thought that crosses his mind. | |
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Cohen the Barbarian. Not because of his own honesty, but because he assumes everyone else is just as honest as he is. Thus in Interesting Times, when a soldier says, "I would rather die than betray my emperor", Cohen kills him. It doesn't take long for people to stop saying this unless they mean it. | |
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In Record of Grancrest War, Siluca's upbringing in an academy full of backstabbing, greedy assholes made her capable of dealing with any social situation...except conversations with country boy Theo. His Love Confession is actually hilarious because of this — you can see Siluca going through her mental toolbox and coming up short. Though after taking a minute to think, she shows that she can be honest about her feelings too. | |
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More than once, Batman has had to keep facts from, and even lie to Superman or the other members of the Justice League, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way (Depending on the Writer). More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines Silent Scapegoat, Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work, and I Did What I Had to Do. It's often implied that Superman knows this... and Batman knows Superman knows this. The lie is mostly to satisfy the rest of the league (Superman may dislike Batman's tactics, but he trusts that Bruce knows what he's doing and where to draw the line; however, if this became public, it might give license to less careful heroes to imitate Batman). Superman not acknowledging Batman's less savory tactics means the disagreement never spills into a more public setting. Similarly, Batman will make it painfully clear to anyone who catches him in his lie and threatens to report him (thus making it an issue) that Superman probably already knows and hasn't done anything about it. If someone as honest as the Big Blue Boy Scout is cool with it, then it's cool. |
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In Gunnerkrigg Court Jones warns Antimony about Coyote, stating that "Coyote is no liar, therein lies the danger." | |
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Tamiya attempts to wrest back control of the Lychee Light Club from Zeera once the group approaches the Moral Event Horizon. Very fittingly, his epithet is "Bullet of Truth" and he is often shown as the most obviously upstanding member of the nine. | |
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Over a hundred years previously, Barok van Zieks was the same way. Despite his scary reputation, the man is genuinely committed to finding the truth and really wouldn't mind losing if people didn't mysteriously turn up dead every time that happened. The conspiracy behind all the murders of people Barok failed to convict had to keep him in the dark, because he would absolutely turn them in if he knew, despite one of the major players being his boss. | |
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Kamen Rider: Shinji Kido of Kamen Rider Ryuki fits this trope to a T. The other Riders consider him somewhat of a Wild Card (an outlook mostly enforced in the 13 Riders TV special, where they gang up on him) because his fumbling is threatening the status quo. He is also a Spanner in the Works of nearly cosmic degree. This applies to other lead Riders to a lesser extent, given their usual Nice Guy tendencies. Kouta in Kamen Rider Gaim and Emu in Kamen Rider Ex-Aid are good examples, both being Incorruptible Pure Pureness characters caught up in Crapsack World story against decisively more amoral people, who despise them for this. |
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Yoh Hinamura of Crying Freeman discovers that a large group of assassins dressed like civilians are converging on him in the “Journey to Freedom” story arc. They expect him to panic and try to fight his way to safety (and be killed, naturally). They are horrified to learn that he instead called the police on himself, confessed to a murder, and was transported away safely to jail because they realize that he will not be detained or prosecuted and is now free to seek revenge on them all. | |
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A Supe of a Man: Clark may well be the one Supe in his Crapsack World who doesn't have any skeletons in his closet. He's also not stupid, and his commitment to doing his job right means that Vought's usual tactics simply won't work on him. | |
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In Transformers: Prime, Dreadwing loses faith in the Decepticon cause and betrays Megatron by giving the Autobots the Forge of Solus Prime, giving them a fighting chance, when he realizes that Megatron doesn't really appreciate honor and loyalty. | |
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In Audrey, Wait!, the protagonist uses her national, live TV interview as a chance to spill the beans on everything leading up to this point, thus dispelling the gossip and rumours surrounding her and helping out her friend Evan in the process by exposing their duplicitous label — on live television. | |
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Matsuda from Death Note. He's honest and idealistic to a fault, and more often than not makes a nuisance of himself. However, his attempt to infiltrate the Yotsuba Group provides vital information, even though it backfires, and when Light Yagami reveals himself as Kira and starts gloating, Matsuda quick-draws his sidearm and shoots Light four times. This is, incidentally, something like the true inverse of Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work — the closest surviving thing to a good person does the shooting. | |
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Michael in Prison Break. Linc knows he is going to be executed, but at least he has the satisfaction of knowing that Michael went to college and will have a good life. Except not, because Michael cannot let Linc die for a crime he didn't commit so he gets himself sent to prison on purpose to rescue him. Michael's idealism is a source of conflict throughout the show. It takes place in a Crapsack World so they should probably run far away, but Michael wants to take down the company. |
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Anaiya of the Blue Ajah in The Wheel of Time is described this way. Her lack of deceit continues to confuse the other plotters in the White Tower. Also, Cadsuane does this deliberately. Galad is probably the best example in the series of this trope. His stepsister says of him, "He always does the right thing, no matter who it hurts." He is introduced to the main characters and the reader when he calls the guards to deal with a peasant boy (Rand) who has fallen over the wall of the royal palace and is being taken care of by the crown princess. She's apparently in no danger, and her brother is with them too, and no one wants Rand to be possibly thrown in jail over an innocent accident, but to Galad the rule about how to handle intruders doesn't allow for exceptions. Later, he joins the Whitecloaks on the strength of their ascetic philosophy, even though his mother and sister are members of or at least connected to the Aes Sedai, who the Whitecloaks all see as Satanic witches. Still later, when he suspects that his superior officer in the Whitecloaks raped and killed his stepmother, he kills him. In a perfectly legal ritual duel, no less, and gets Valda's rank and Blademaster status afterwards. She's alive, but his superior did sexually assault her, and taunts Galad about it. Bad idea. He later moderates this stance somewhat after a talk with his stepmother, who observes she should have tried to break him of the Black-and-White Morality illusion earlier, and uses a few Armor Piercing Questions to make him think. |
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Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney: In a world where many of the prosecutors are Amoral Attorneys who just want to 'win', Klavier Gavin actually wants to do his job properly and make sure guilty people are convicted- note, guilty people, not scapegoats. This infuriates the killers when they try to frame whoever Apollo's defending, as they fully expect Klavier to back up their false testimony in order to obtain a guilty verdict. He doesn't. Not even when the killer is someone he knows personally. Over a hundred years previously, Barok van Zieks was the same way. Despite his scary reputation, the man is genuinely committed to finding the truth and really wouldn't mind losing if people didn't mysteriously turn up dead every time that happened. The conspiracy behind all the murders of people Barok failed to convict had to keep him in the dark, because he would absolutely turn them in if he knew, despite one of the major players being his boss. |
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While Wonder Woman's (usual) insistence on truth, trying to reform her enemies, and taking down her opponents without killing them fits right in with the heroes she spends time with, they're not the only ones she interacts with, nor is Earth the only realm she operates on. To gods and monsters, her motivations and behavior are much more likely to be upsetting, confusing, and surprising. | |
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Daredevil (2015): When Wilson Fisk does speak the truth, he's careful with his words as he's twisting the truth to get people to do things that benefit him. He convinces Ray Nadeem that he's a reliable source by providing information on an Albanian syndicate that the FBI is desperate to shut down. Then, after cementing his credibility, Fisk is able to spin the truth to trick Nadeem into thinking Nelson & Murdock were accomplices to him when they were actually the ones who put him away. | |
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A Song of Ice and Fire: Ned stark is probably the most well-known example. He puts Honor Before Reason and inadvertently furthers Petyr Baelish's plan purely because he insists on being honest and giving his treasonous opponents a fair chance. Indeed, it is precisely the fact that he puts Honor Before Reason that leads Baelish to regard him as expendable; he is too unpredictable and incapable of being negotiated with. The High Sparrow is a more politically-savvy version of the trope. The first High Septon could be manipulated because he was corrupt, and the second because he was Weak-Willed. The High Sparrow is neither; he is genuinely devoted to the Faith of the Seven, he will not be persuaded to stray from his ideals, and he is most definitely not going to stand for petty power-plays from nobles who think that everything and especially the church exist to serve them. Which Cersei finds out after she put him in power because she thought she could manipulate him like every other man in her life. |
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The Unexplored Summon://Blood-Sign: This trope is why the White Queen is so infuriating to Kyousuke. She is and has always been so much stronger than everyone else that their knowledge of her evil plans matters not a whit — she will succeed anyway, and effortlessly, because that is who she is. Deception is for mortals. Kyousuke himself is also this trope. He is so rational and wounded that he has essentially no pride, and therefore no ego that can be exploited or punctured. Max Layard lost against him because he incorrectly assumed Kyousuke would have arrogance in keeping with his high rank. |
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Suzaku of Code Geass — because of his idealism, he acquires a major case of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. And Euphie, ultimately, but it's not her fault! This world was made for Magnificent Bastards. To break themselves against, like Cuchulain fighting the sea, but at least they have a shot. Mao, as well, tries to be as honest as possible, and he can see through anyone's lies because he can read minds; but he's a very dangerous villain. Lelouch frequently has this happen to him actually. He can typically work around it but he does often get frustrated when he runs on cold hard logic only for someone else to opt for the idealistic choice no matter how counterproductive it is instead. |
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Hakuryuu from Magi: Labyrinth of Magic is honorable, started the story as very naive and his Djinn describes him as "painfully honest". He's also a Knight Templar with Black-and-White Insanity who only cares for his last remaining sibling and is unable to leave his hatred behind. | |
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Skullgirls: Beowulf is a hammy professional wrestling send-up who loves to promise outlandish things, like defeating the Skullgirl, to his fans. The thing that separates Beowulf from most attention hogs is that he is totally honest about his intentions; even though the Skullgirl is a Person of Mass Destruction, if he says he'll beat her, he means it. Double's manipulation of him is based on the assumption that he's your run-of-the-mill Glory Hound and Fake Ultimate Hero who wouldn't actually want to fight the Skullgirl, and she tries to upset him by taunting him with his most famous victory being a fraud, but this doesn't faze him in the slightest; he has no problem confessing this to his fans, even knowing it'd probably cost him his reputation. Instead, he just decides to do something genuinely awesome and heroic and gets even more determined to fight the Skullgirl. | |
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Game of Thrones: Stannis is feared by schemers like Varys and Littlefinger because his self-righteousness and refusal to compromise make him much less amenable to providing an environment for their unhindered scheming. Cersei also says it when she declares to Sansa that her first defense after losing the battle would be to seduce the victor, but this would be useless against Stannis. This proves to be part of what makes the High Sparrow troublesome in Season 5. On the one hand, Lady Tyrell discovers that she can't bribe him with anything to get her grandchildren off the hook; on the other hand, Cersei discovers that her tactical patronage of his movement won't stop him turning and giving the same punishment for her many sins that he would give anyone else in that position. |
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The titular villain of Hook is amused when accused of lying about his belief that parents all resent their children and parental love is a lie: | |
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Cheating At Pai Sho: Played for Laughs with Kyo, a crew member on the Wani. Kyo possesses such an "easy-to-eat-alive" air that instantly draws in all of the local gossips at any port they visit, something the rest of the crew exploits to get free drinks. And since none of his stories sound believable anyway, he's able to be completely honest as he recounts his tales of things like finding an airbender with his pet bison without selling anyone out. | |
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In Deus Ex: Human Revolution, David Sarif is an idealist who believes that augmentation can uplift humanity. He's willing to do shady things to fulfill this ideal like augmenting a comatose man above and beyond what was needed to save his life, circumventing the law to get information, compromise his own company's network to run secret background checks, and even frame an anti-augmentation organization for biological warfare based terrorism. Compare him with the other two guys Adam can help at the end of the game: Hugh Darrow, a guy willing to cause global chaos and mass murder out of a bitter jealousy of augmented people which he hides behind ostensibly noble reasons, and Taggart, an Illuminati stooge who is just trying to maintain the Illuminati's power over the world. The Illuminati initially wanted to recruit Sarif but gave up when they realized that he was too idealistic to go along with their agenda. | |
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In Tales of the Questor, Quentyn agrees to take a high-risk quest he has little chance of returning from to fulfill an ancient contract. It is revealed that the bad guys overlooked this simple possibility, and consequently have no contingency plan. | |
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Pirates of the Caribbean: Jack Sparrow hangs a lampshade on this in the first movie. In the third movie, he pulls it off himself: Pirates can only be counted on to be greedy bastards, which is why there hasn't been a Pirate King in a while (the position is democratically-elected, and they all vote for themselves). So when the vote comes up, Jack surprises everyone by voting for Elizabeth, making her win with two votes. He is definitely not an example himself, as he lies constantly and even the page quote is him being dishonest about his dishonesty. | |
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Illuminatus! references "Celine's Laws", #3 of which is, "An honest politician is a national calamity." Meaning that while ordinary dishonest politicians are usually content to line their pockets and preserve the status quo, the true believers who try to change society only end up passing more restrictive laws. | |
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In the Morgaine Cycle, Morgaine invokes this trope with her memorable statement, "With devils, there is dealing. Sometimes far easier than with an honest man." She has learned this by bitter experience. | |
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Komaeda in Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair. He's chaotic, unpredictable, suicidal, and absolutely obsessed with his vision of hope. He's also totally honest about his goals and how they might contradict those of the other students. He cannot be swayed to commit murder because he hides no secret desires for Monokuma to prey on, but he also has no problem with participating in the Killing Game as a victim because of his bizarre views about tragedy leading to hope, and happily tells the rest of the class that if they want to kill him, he'd help out. The only piece of information he deliberately hides is the one that drove him across the Despair Event Horizon; the fact that the class, himself included, were former members of Ultimate Despair. | |
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Tenma from Monster is deemed untrustworthy by his director for choosing to operate on the patient who came first, as opposed to the patient off of whom he'd profit more. | |
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In Beast Wars, Dinobot has no problem with Megatron's plan of going to prehistoric earth to kill the original Optimus Prime while he was in his 4-million-year stasis. His initial problem with Megatron was he got them stranded on the incorrectly assumed wrong planet and Megatron's cowardice in the face of a challenge to honorable combat when called out on his incompetence. Later, when Megatron is proven right, Dinobot temporarily switches sides back to Megatron until Megatron proves to be the liar once again. Throughout his time with the Maximals, Dinobot makes no secret that he still views himself as a Predacon and will return to them once they get back to Cybertron. | |
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Survivor: Redemption Island. After Phillip got stuck on the wrong side of an alliance war, he was asked about what was going down. And promptly told the entire plan, despite his fellow alliance members trying to use him as a scapegoat. This distanced himself from the losing side and proved his honesty enough to successfully join in Boston Rob's alliance. It has to be seen to be believed, and was one hell of a way to start Redemption Island. | |
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In Towards the Sun, Sokka notes that Zuko's dangerous because he's so honest that he never intentionally manipulates anyone. Azula similarly observes that her brother's sincerity causes him to easily inspire loyalty in others, turning them against Fire Lord Iroh without ever intending to do so. | |
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In A Confederacy of Dunces, Ignatius is not necessarily evil, but his convictions and rigidity drive the entire plot. At the very outset, his obstinance almost gets him arrested, and things spiral from there. | |
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Meursault in The Stranger. It never occurs to him to lie, even to save his own life. Why would his life need saving? Oh, because he's facing the death penalty for having shot a man. For no reason. Unless "the sun was bright" counts as a reason. | |
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Gravity Falls: In Mabel's story in "Bottomless Pit!", she tricks Grunkle Stan into wearing a set of magic dentures that force him to always tell the truth. Things quickly take a turn for the worst as Stan blurts out every truth that comes to his head, and nearly confesses his many crimes to the police. | |
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Star Trek: The Next Generation: Data doesn't lie. Supposedly ever. Which makes it all the more devastating when he does because nobody believes he can possibly be telling an untruth. An entire episode, "Clues", revolves around this concept, with Data forced into lying by an order from his captain — who doesn't know that he gave the order. It even helps him get away with attempted murder in "The Most Toys" when he uses Exact Words to imply that he had not fired a weapon intentionally just as they beamed him out ("Perhaps something happened during transport"). | |
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