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Sometimes, debates in legislatures can get a little too heated. The result: a scuffle—or occasionally even a full-blown brawl—breaks out on the floor of the chamber. This sort of thing tends to occur most frequently in non-Anglophone legislatures and has provided material for satirical TV programs for years. More dramatic slants, especially in Western fiction, often draw upon the assassination of Julius Caesar or Shakespeare's famous dramatization of it. In the United States, this actually was surprisingly common prior to the Civil War and its immediate aftermath, when the issue of slavery (and, later, the treatment of the recently-freed slaves) aroused tempers in the North and South alike. Often started by a Fisticuff-Provoking Comment and may be the only interesting thing that Not-So-Omniscient Council of Bickering will ever do. Compare "Cavemen vs. Astronauts" Debate when the debate is over something mundane or silly. Note: In Real Life, while actual fist-fights are generally considered a bad thing, regular heated verbal debates (of the kind that only very occasionally erupt into physical violence) are paradoxically a sign of health for a country's democracy. If politicians are fighting in parliament, it means their opinions differ, and differ publicly, and that the legislature is actually a powerful enough institution to be worth fighting over. Dictatorships tend to have very polite, well-mannered legislative bodies (in effect, rubber stamp assemblies). On the other hand, heated debates regularly exploding into open violence can often be a warning sign of a country descending into civil war. In the past, or in more Cultured Badass settings, more gentlemanly politicians would want to settle offenses by Throwing Down the Gauntlet calling for duels — either to the death or (more often) to the first blood. |
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The Dark Assembly in Disgaea often devolves into fighting... because you can instigate them after they reject one of your proposals. Might Makes Right if you win — your bill passes if you defeat the nays. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, beating down a Nay vote causes them to like you even less, making them more likely to vote against you the next time you pass a proposal. The Dark Assembly is less about bribes and trying to sway them to your side and more yet another reason for Level Grinding. | |
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There's a passing mention in Honor Harrington that the San Martin legislative process centers around "debates, arguments, shouting matches and occasional fistfights". | |
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The Simpsons had Homer's and Mel Gibson's remake of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, in which Mr. Smith goes on a random killing spree during his famous filibuster, stabs the evil Senator to death with a flagpole, and even beheads the President after he enters the Senate. The test audiences and executives are horrified. | |
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In The Cat in the Hat, Ms. Kwan turns on the TV and watches a political scuffle; Conrad and Sally turn to each other and say "Taiwanese parliament". Apparently this isn't the first time they've had to watch it. | |
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John Dickinson and John Adams get into a stick fight during the Continental Congress in 1776. | |
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One episode of The Rick Mercer Report was broadcast during an NHL lockout. In an attempt to satisfy the audience, Mercer attempted to create a montage of greatest all-time hockey fights. The NHL said no, so he went with Taiwanese political fights instead... with a hockey song still playing underneath. | |
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The opening cinematic for Homefront: The Revolution shows a Times Square news bulletin depicting a brawl in the United States Senate as part of the montage showing how everything went From Bad to Worse and ended up with North Korea controlling America. | |
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In one of the novels from Star Trek: The Fall, the Parliament Andoria finally boils over as the Andorians' ongoing crisis reaches a climax, and its members start fighting in a mass brawl. At a later point in the story, they pelt the Presider and Speaker with thrown objects after the former issues an unpopular executive decree and the latter seconds his call for an immediate recess. | |
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Robert Harris's Imperium trilogy is a series of historical novels about the life of Cicero and the collapse of the Roman Republic. So naturally, the third book, Dictator, includes the assassination of Caesar. Harris exercises Artistic License – History and places Cicero at the scene. | |
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In Exalted, it's mentioned that brawls have broken out in the Deliberative of The Realm. Since the representatives are all Super Soldiers, this is a very bad situation for the merely-mortal guards. And one time after the Deliberative vetoed one decree of hers too many, the Scarlet Empress had the exits blocked, then sent in the army to slaughter all the representatives. The next batch of legislators learned their lesson. | |
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Discussed, or at least alluded to, in The Next Frontier when the Kerbals watch some alien TV and see a number of local worthies get into a very heated debate on what seems to be a political discussion show. | |
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Dragon Age: Origins: If you pick Lord Harrowmont as the new king of the dwarfs, Prince Bhelen, and some of his supporters go hostile and try to kill you and the newly crowned king. Similarly, a fight breaks out at the Landsmeet when the new ruler is decided, no matter who it is. There can be both a formal duel and an all-out brawl there. Sadly, you cannot nominate your dog as your designated champion in the duel... |
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300: Queen Gorgo speaks to the Spartan gerousia (senate), hoping to convince them to send the full army to reinforce King Leonidas. Theron betrays her and mocks her fidelity for having slept with him. Gorgo's rebuttal is a sword to his rib, followed by a ruthless Ironic Echo of the words he used against her during said tryst (which was anything but consensual). | |
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The Commonwealth Provisional Government in Fallout 4 was an early attempt to form a legislature in the post-war Commonwealth. The way Nick Valentine tells it, an Institute Synth murdered every representative in the room, bringing this endeavor to a swift end. Father tells it differently, claiming that the Synth was the only one left after all the other representatives killed each other. Old holotapes corroborate this narrative. | |
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In Traveller, Emperor Cleon III was known for settling debates in his cabinet by shooting his most vocal opponents. The Imperial Moot created the Right of Assassination in order to get rid of him. | |
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Star Trek: In Star Trek: Destiny, when President Bacco calls the ambassadors from the major galactic powers together for an emergency conference, Klingon ambassador K'mtok and Romulan ambassador Kalavak end up fighting. After a series of accusations and insults regarding events in prior novels (particularly in Star Trek: Articles of the Federation), the two begin to physically scuffle, until separated by Federation security. In one of the novels from Star Trek: The Fall, the Parliament Andoria finally boils over as the Andorians' ongoing crisis reaches a climax, and its members start fighting in a mass brawl. At a later point in the story, they pelt the Presider and Speaker with thrown objects after the former issues an unpopular executive decree and the latter seconds his call for an immediate recess. |
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Joked about in America (The Book) (from The Daily Show). The writers quipped that after Preston Brooks beat Charles Sumner half to death on the floor of the Senate (see Real Life), only "wiffle canes" were allowed in the Senate. They also claim that, after going down, Sumner retaliated with the Sumner Triple Suplex, thus retaining his title. In a later article about the Army-McCarthy hearings, the "have you no decency?" exchange was met with "Yes, but I believe I left it on your mother's nightstand." Then out came the wiffle canes. |
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Rome: The second episode had a full-on fight break out in the senate when Pompey's supporters passed a motion that called on Caesar to return and surrender or be labeled a traitor and condemned to death. Caesar's supporters did not take this well, as might be expected. The fight actually prevented Mark Antony from vetoing the motion, which was what Pompey wanted in the first place (it was supposed to show Caesar he was alone, nothing more). The show also depicted Caesar's assassination, of course. And there was a scene where Cicero sent a message to be read in the Senate in his absence, which turned out to be a scathing attack on Antony. Antony demanded that the clerk read out the whole thing and then bludgeoned the poor bastard to death with the scroll. Antony previously had pretended he was appalled by this trope, but in his usual insincere but lovable fashion he was only using stealth puns or indirect insults. Octavian threatens this when he has a group of centurions barge into the Senate Chamber and unsheathe their swords, to the terror of the Senators. Octavian gets his way, as usual, and no blood is actually spilled. |
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Quest for Glory III is mostly based around gathering two warring groups (a warrior tribe of cattle ranchers, and magical shapeshifting leopard men) for a peace conference in a neutral city. When you finally get the two leaders together, they start talking... for five seconds, before they murder each other. | |
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In Broken Worlds, the tabletop game adaptation of the universe of Kill Six Billion Demons, the Hall of the Mighty is where the populace of Ashton (one of the districts of Throne) meets to air arguments, which aleviates the tensions between the different groups who live there. The building is so big and so crowded that there is always at least three to four brawls taking place at a time. An entire guild even formed itself to organize bets on those fights. | |
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News footage of this has been used many times on Have I Got News for You, to the point where when a Guest Host tried to lead the teams to an answer about "something" that had happened in a foreign legislature that week, Paul Merton immediately assumed it had been a fight. The earliest version of the opening credits also showed Michael Heseltine grabbing the mace and threatening the Labour frontbenches with it, which he did in The '80s. | |
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Defied in Tales of the Emperasque — expecting the human-eldar negotiations to end this way, Taldeer makes her daughter part of the diplomatic expedition, using the fact that Lofn has a passive calming field around her, which helps to keep everyone's tempers in check. | |
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The death scene in Julius Caesar. Kinda because it really happened (see Real Life). | |
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Happens pretty consistently in Hetalia: Axis Powers, particularly amongst the Allies; it's not uncommon for meetings to end with the characters physically fighting each other. | |
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In The Court Of The Air, physical duels between politicians are apparently a standard practice in Jackels' Parliament, being conducted one-on-one with batons called "debating sticks" when reconciliation by other means proves unfeasible. An area of the parliamentary meeting hall is set aside for this purpose. | |
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The Brethren Court in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End erupts into violence between the pirate lords as they attempt to figure out how to survive the British East India Company, much to the astonishment of the newest captain. | |
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Carnival Row: Absalom Breakspear attacks his political rival Ritter Longerbane in Parliament after publicly claiming he's behind his son's abduction. | |
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Napoléon: The Directorate is aware that Napoleon is staging his own coup on 18 Brumaire and attempt to assassinate the General when he tries to talk them down. This is the final straw for Napoleon, who has the entire assembly disbanded. | |
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Get Smart has the Chief go after the Vice President. | |
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Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: Due to being elected as Senator, Abraham Lincoln is a witness to Brooks' attack on Sumner, and his attempt to help the former is prevented by Keitt threatening him with a gun. This event causes Lincoln to radicalize in his opposition to slavery. | |
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Along Came a Spider, much like its source material, includes a case of this, when an ambitious Crusader, Conal Ward, attempts to bring charges against his own Khan, a strong proponent of the rival Warden faction in order to bring him down. His aide, Vlad, was as ardent a Crusader, but was more devoted to his Clan than his cause, and leaked the emails about his plans to his Khan, then held back info that Conal’s nominee for the junior Khan post had been killed in battle less than 2 days earlier. In a rage, Conal declares a trial of grievance against Vlad immediately after the vote, and has his neck broken in the ensuing fight. | |
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In Star Trek: Destiny, when President Bacco calls the ambassadors from the major galactic powers together for an emergency conference, Klingon ambassador K'mtok and Romulan ambassador Kalavak end up fighting. After a series of accusations and insults regarding events in prior novels (particularly in Star Trek: Articles of the Federation), the two begin to physically scuffle, until separated by Federation security. | |
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