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There's an insidious school of thought circulating among the world's pop-culture enthusiasts and critics. It states that comedy is not and indeed cannot be True Art. Since True Art Is Angsty and offensive (if not downright incomprehensible), it logically follows that something lighthearted, created to inspire joy and laughter amongst the public, must not be true art, right? Sadly, many people seem to think so. For instance, can you remember the last time a comedy film won the Academy Award for Best Picture? Exactly. And the numbers predict that it's pretty unlikely.note To be fair, if you include dramedy films, then the genre has averaged a win once every five years, though there have been longer gaps such as the nine years between 2002's Chicago and 2011's The Artist. Exclude them though, and one could argue that no comedy film has gotten the award since 1963's Tom Jones. Perhaps for this reason, the Golden Globe Awards have separate categories for comedies and dramas. This rule tends not to apply to minor technical awards: For instance, at the 1988 Oscars, the Disney/Amblin partly-animated fantasy-comedy film Who Framed Roger Rabbit won three competitive Academy Awards, but these were for film editing, visual effects and sound effects. (A special award was given for the film's animation.) Compare Animation Age Ghetto and Sci-Fi Ghetto for similarly flawed ideas. For the fandom version, see Maturity Is Serious Business. For comedies that managed to avoid this stigma, see Out of the Ghetto. Particularly good satire and Black Comedy may be exempt such as with Life Is Beautiful, an ostensible comedy set during the Holocaust which got director/star Roberto Benigni the Best Foreign Language and Best Actor Oscars in 1998. But a movie that simply wants to be funny without an obvious message? Low-brow trash. Note that this rule applies primarily to film. Television is normally exempt as the Emmy Awards have separate categories for comedy. In theater, comedies often do well at the Tonys, such as when The Book of Mormon cleaned house in 2011, winning nine awards including Best Musical, Best Score, and Best Actress (Nikki M. James). A primary cause of Tom Hanks Syndrome, where a comedic actor who wants to be Taken Seriously will switch to drama. Examples |
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Averted when both Aquaman (2018) and SHAZAM! (2019) took a lighthearted comedic approach and were acclaimed for it (especially because unlike Suicide Squad, they were planned that way to begin with instead of having the tone changed during production - the same can be said for the films with characters from Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey (2020) and The Suicide Squad, both of whom had dark and violent elements but still leaned heavily on the comedy). | |
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CMLL exotico Maximo is an exception that proves the rule. Foreign viewers came under the assumption the promotion was more comedy based when they saw him as World Heavyweight Champion. It's not, the world heavyweight title simply isn't the end all be all of CMLL, where all weight classes are respected and of all the other world titles, none of them had contemporary titleholders to Maximo who were also comedy luchadores. In fact the only other champion you could call such was National Welterweight Champion Bárbaro Cavernario. Not to take away from their success, World anything is good and the Welterweight is the most prestigious of any level but it is more so the fact Mexican majors are just more open to giving pushes in general. Similarly, Los Psycho Circus were AAA's most popular trio but if they could be called a comedy group they still operated in what was otherwise one of AAA's most Darker and Edgier periods where they were the only 'comedy' champions. | |
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There was a stretch in the 1940s where Tom and Jerry dominated the Best Animated Short Oscar category by winning a staggering total of seven Oscars. | |
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Avengers: Age of Ultron especially was attacked by a few fans for the characters making "too many jokes." Whether they have a point is up for debate, though the movie does get serious and contains many situations that aren't Played for Laughs. | |
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The Bonzo Dog Band were mostly seen as a novelty act throughout their career because of their silly antics and Stylistic Suck playing. They are often overlooked when discussing the great bands of The '60s. Nevertheless, both The Beatles and Monty Python have named them as a huge inspiration. | |
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Very prominent throughout the history of animation. For example, with regards to Looney Tunes, Tex Avery was only nominated twice for the Best Animated Short Oscar. He never won it. Bob Clampett was never even nominated at all (ironically, one of his unfinished shorts after he left the studio, Tweetie Pie, won the studio their first Oscar after Friz Freleng finished it). Likewise, Chuck Jones received nominations for his later "True Art" shorts, but not for "The Dover Boys", "One Froggy Evening", or "Duck Amuck". He did, however, win an Oscar for the Pepé Le Pew short For Scent-imental Reasons. Averted at least once by Friz Freleng. His cartoon "Knighty Knight Bugs" was the only Bugs Bunny cartoon to win an Academy Award. |
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Eddie Guerrero got away with it and is a notable aversion, possibly because his comedic cheating ways had become so endeared by fans, and unlike many "comedy wrestlers" that do comedy to cover up the fact that they're just not very good wrestlers Eddie was an excellent technical wrestler (and a pretty great in-ring worker in general) that always put on fantastic matches, so the smart fans were very forgiving. | |
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Emma avoided the ghetto on NXT. Her gimmick was that of a Cute Clumsy Girl who thought she was a good dancer. Despite the comedy gimmick, she was still pushed as a (somewhat) serious title contender. On the main roster however, her character was Flanderised and she fell headlong into the ghetto – eventually finding herself back on NXT trying to restart her career with a Face–Heel Turn. | |
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LayCool are female aversions. The two were essentially exaggerated versions of the Alpha Bitch Valley Girl and yet managed to dominate the women's division for over a year. Notably Michelle had been pushed as a serious ruthless heel before that, and fans were indifferent. When Michelle showed she had a knack for comedy, she was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap for many. Likewise Layla's comedic antics caused her to become an Ensemble Dark Horse. | |
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All Elite Wrestling is a permanent resident to some fansnote Just take a look at the very first match they ever aired if you want to know why some fans think this, often being described as "PWG with a TV deal", and considering that a lot of the same people hold high ranking positions in both companies it's not an unfair comparison. Subverted somewhat in that AEW CEO/booker Tony Khan really likes the comedic sort of wrestling (case in point, he's called Orange Cassidy his favorite wrestler, and it shows by the way Cassidy is booked) and much of this is by design, and he doesn't consider this trope a bad thing. | |
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Averted with Supernatural. Comedic episodes like "The French Mistake" and "Mystery Spot" tend to get ranked as high as dramatic episodes like "Swan Song" and "What Is and What Should Never Be". | |
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Even after becoming Bullet Club's cleaner, there are fans that complain that Kenny Omega is too much of a cartoon character for New Japan Pro-Wrestling. These same complainers loved his Dramatic Dream Team work though and stand firm in their belief he is perfect for that promotion. To his credit, Omega went on to usurp Karl Anderson's leadership position and deport the stable's centerpiece AJ Styles. | |
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The comedic tone of Batman: The Brave and the Bold drew criticism throughout its run from fans of Darker and Edgier Batman incarnations, so much so that one episode punched the fourth wall in the face to deliver an eloquent defense of Lighter and Softer adaptations. | |
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These same fans awaited Sonic Boom with dread as the list of names of the show's creative team came in and they are all comedy writers. Amusingly, this actually got subverted with time; while their fears were met for the first season, the constant shafting from both Cartoon Network and Boomerang gave the writers more confidence to do more surreal stuff in the second season; if no-one's ever going to see it, why not get creative? | |
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Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) is even more comedic than the others, and the trailers played up the comedy aspects. It was widely expected to bomb, though whether that was because of the comedy or the fact that its comic was pretty obscure is up for debate. Needless to say, the film is one of the highest-rated entries in the Marvel Cinematic Universe – effectively breaking out of the ghetto. | |
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Jillian Hall initially avoided this - as she was still presented as a competent threat with her Hollywood Tone-Deaf gimmick. But around 2008 she suddenly became the go-to Diva for losing a Squash Match or getting a Humiliation Conga. She eventually stopped winning altogether, though she was granted one Divas' Championship reign – which lasted about a minute. | |
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Despite the fact Turning Red still has Pixar’s emotional storytelling, many people have been turned off from this movie due to having a bigger emphasis on comedy than the average film from the studio. | |
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On NXT Summer Rae was treated as a serious competitor. There was a time when she had an undefeated streak. On the main roster as the dance partner to Fandango, she was instead presented as a bimbo who could only get fluke wins. Creative presumably realised she had a better affinity for playing a Brainless Beauty rather than an Alpha Bitch – but her Jobber status still raises eyebrows. | |
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Almost any time a sitcom starts to make an attempt at major Emmy nominations, the episode for consideration is almost always a Very Special Episode. The laughs come fewer and farther between, a much more serious issue is addressed, and it can often be a Lower-Deck Episode if a Supporting Actor award is being considered (the episodes of Roseanne when Jackie was a victim of domestic abuse stand out as this in syndication). | |
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe is sometimes hit with this by fans who dislike the light-hearted approach many of the movies take: Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) is even more comedic than the others, and the trailers played up the comedy aspects. It was widely expected to bomb, though whether that was because of the comedy or the fact that its comic was pretty obscure is up for debate. Needless to say, the film is one of the highest-rated entries in the Marvel Cinematic Universe – effectively breaking out of the ghetto. Avengers: Age of Ultron especially was attacked by a few fans for the characters making "too many jokes." Whether they have a point is up for debate, though the movie does get serious and contains many situations that aren't Played for Laughs. Ant-Man broke out of the ghetto as well, despite many predicting it would become the MCU's first ever failure for being notably more comedic than the rest of the franchise. In fact, the comedy elements were praised, while the film's low points were the dramatic ones. It grossed $500 million worldwide and earned an 80% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. While the Spider-Man films Homecoming and Far From Home have been well-received, they tended to get less praise than other films in the MCU, since they primarily served as Breather Episodes between more serious fare. By contrast, No Way Home was much Darker and Edgier, and not only made more money than any Spider-Man film prior, but managed to receive the most critical acclaim out of all the MCU Spider-Man films. |
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Happy Death Day is a clear Horror Comedy, but the filmmakers rejected the label, which is apparently deemed by producers as hard to sell to audiences, and instead the film was dubbed "horror fun" by them. | |
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Thespis, the first Gilbert and Sullivan operetta, ends with a Take That! at the notion that tragedy is the higher art, suggesting that it is unwanted by the public. The angry Jupiter sends the Thespians away with this punishment: | |
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Teen Titans (2003) was, in its day, often dismissed by older audiences for its frequent comedic tone. Granted, the series was something of a Cerebus Rollercoaster, to the point that the show itself saw fit to regularly clue the audience into the tone of a given episode via the opening theme song: English lyrics meant the show's usual tone, which could occasionally veer to more serious, dramatic adventures; meanwhile, Japanese lyrics meant you were about to watch an unabashed Bizarro Episode. Its Denser and Wackier spinoff series Teen Titans Go! garnered high disdain from many fans of the original Teen Titans cartoon for being a pure comedy, which isn't helped by a number of such fans viewing the prior 2003 series through a Nostalgia Filter as being more "mature" and "serious" than it actually was. This is even referenced in Teen Titans Go! vs. Teen Titans, where both incarnations meet and insult each other over this, before running into other alternate selves that are more serious (the DC Universe Animated Original Movies) and more childish (Tiny Titans) than either of them. |
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Speaking of superhero cinematic franchises, the DC Extended Universe tends to invert this; one of the most frequent criticisms for several of the movies so far released in it have received is that they're too dark, humorless and introspective, and could probably stand to lighten up and take themselves a bit less seriously like the MCU does. Suicide Squad (2016) was much more comedic in tone, and generally seen by some as the worst film in the DCEU so far. One common sticking point is that the film was an obvious attempt to ape the success of both the aforementioned Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) and Deadpool (2016) after it was clear the tone of both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice went too far in the opposite direction, so the comedy felt forced. Averted when both Aquaman (2018) and SHAZAM! (2019) took a lighthearted comedic approach and were acclaimed for it (especially because unlike Suicide Squad, they were planned that way to begin with instead of having the tone changed during production - the same can be said for the films with characters from Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey (2020) and The Suicide Squad, both of whom had dark and violent elements but still leaned heavily on the comedy). Zack Snyder's Justice League — to the surprise of many — managed to turn this reputation for the first two Zack Snyder-directed DCEU films on its head. While the film is still serious and solemn with a darker color palette, it also has a decent amount of levity and humor that feels much more organic and balanced overall, especially when compared to the quips and awkward moments in the theatrical cut from the Joss Whedon rewrites and reshoots that were criticized for feeling like Mood Whiplash. |
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While the Spider-Man films Homecoming and Far From Home have been well-received, they tended to get less praise than other films in the MCU, since they primarily served as Breather Episodes between more serious fare. By contrast, No Way Home was much Darker and Edgier, and not only made more money than any Spider-Man film prior, but managed to receive the most critical acclaim out of all the MCU Spider-Man films. | |
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There has been much discontent from fans of Sonic the Hedgehog (well, more so than usual) when Ken Pontac and Warren Graff started writing the cutscenes and dialogue for the games, as they yanked the narrative style from the rather bleak and serious tone of games like Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) to the heavily comedic Sonic Colors and Sonic Lost World. And that's not even mentioning the actual quality of their writing, which according to most of the fanbase ranges from decent to pretty awful. Another issue is the fact that SEGA's mandates are so restrictive in some areas that there is little that even can be done when even those up-top see the games as fluff for kids. These same fans awaited Sonic Boom with dread as the list of names of the show's creative team came in and they are all comedy writers. Amusingly, this actually got subverted with time; while their fears were met for the first season, the constant shafting from both Cartoon Network and Boomerang gave the writers more confidence to do more surreal stuff in the second season; if no-one's ever going to see it, why not get creative? |
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Transformers: Animated. The comedy and seriousness are better balanced here, but the comedy part is always more apparent, hence why the deeper themes are overlooked by most. | |
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Inverted with Team Fortress 2. It is an extremely ridiculous game, which carries over to its fandom making short vids about it with Source Filmmaker and Garry's Mod. Thus the serious shorts, including those submitted to the Drama category during the Saxxy Awards, often get looked down upon, claimed to be full of cliches. This isn't always the case, though, Story of a Sentry and Bad Medicine are usually regarded as fine dramatic videos. | |
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Suicide Squad (2016) was much more comedic in tone, and generally seen by some as the worst film in the DCEU so far. One common sticking point is that the film was an obvious attempt to ape the success of both the aforementioned Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) and Deadpool (2016) after it was clear the tone of both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice went too far in the opposite direction, so the comedy felt forced. | |
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Doctor Who Fandom VIPs are known for automatically rating horror serials above comedy, which is part of the reason for the longstanding bad reputations of stories like "The Gunfighters" and "City of Death" (both of which, especially the latter, were Vindicated by History once they became widely available to view again), as well as being part of the reason why the Lighter and Softer Graham Williams era (which replaced an era of the darkest horror and goriest thrillers the show ever achieved) is harshly received by some parts of fandom. "The Space Museum" suffers especially from this, as people tend to praise its creepy and atmospheric Just One Second Out of Sync first episode and attack the three comedy episodes that come after. Revival series episodes that tend to be criticised entirely for being comedy are the "Aliens of London" two-parter (which had Toilet Humor) and "Love and Monsters" (which had a Squicky sex joke and Peter Kay in a ridiculous rubber suit). On the other hand, this trope ended up working in the show's favour in a big way - the writers during the Graham Williams era realised that if they were stuck writing a cheap Executive Meddling-mandated children's comedy to appease Moral Guardians protesting about the horror, no-one would care if they stuffed it full of sophisticated Parental Bonus satire, brilliantly intelligent dialogue and some of the blackest of Black Comedy, and so they did - overtly political stories like "The Sunmakers" and "The Invasion of Time" being fan favourites. The reaction from the fandom around the time that comedienne Catherine Tate was being cast as the next companion was very negative, with some people insisting that she couldn't possibly act well enough to pull off the Angst bits. However, she really could - she's now considered to be one of the best performed companions in the show's history, as comic acting is just as difficult as serious acting and the skills aren't too dissimilar. This situation unconsciously echoed fan concerns about well-loved comic actor Jon Pertwee being cast as the Doctor in 1970, which confused a lot of people when he performed the Third Doctor as probably the most serious and dignified Doctor of them all. Averted with the casting choice of Peter Capaldi, whose announcement was very well received despite his best known performance being from a comedy. Although it might have helped that the comedy he was best known for was a pitch-black satire of contemporary issues, which tends to be the type of comedy which is most likely to find its way out of the Ghetto and into critical acclaim; also, Capaldi was an avowed and longtime fan of the franchise. The Twelfth Doctor era (Series 8-10) was a Darker and Edgier stretch with very few Breather Episodes and a lot of horror content, but it incorporated humor into even the bleakest stories; in what is often seen as a response to complaints that Twelve was too cold and the tone too grim in Series 8, he and the show became lighter as it progressed. In addition, Series 8-9 companion Clara Oswald with her angsty character arc seems to be less popular than Series 10 companions Bill Potts and Nardole (the latter of whom originated, as Donna Noble had, as a one-off comedy character played by an established comic actor), wisecracking characters who may have been put through the wringer but more than pulled through in the end (especially Bill). |
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Ant-Man broke out of the ghetto as well, despite many predicting it would become the MCU's first ever failure for being notably more comedic than the rest of the franchise. In fact, the comedy elements were praised, while the film's low points were the dramatic ones. It grossed $500 million worldwide and earned an 80% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. | |
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Luca is a far smaller and more lighthearted affair than the rest of Pixar's output, as besides the cartoonier art style and greater emphasis on comedy, it has no grand adventure or the deep emotional and philosophical moments found in other Pixar films, and it has a more grounded and low-stakes conflict than other Pixar films, with even the main villain being more of a mean bully than a true legitimate threat (until the third act). While the film is still popular and beloved overall, its breezy Slice of Life tone and small stakes has caused some critics and Pixar fans to dismiss and scoff at the film, with some viewing it as inferior to Pixar's past work, if not one of the studio's weakest or even worst films, simply because it lacks the emotional depth and pathos that Pixar is known for. | |
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You'll almost never get a wrestler with a comedy gimmick as a world champion in any major promotion. If a wrestler wishes to become a main eventer in any shape or form then they're going to have to be taken seriously. John Cena is probably the closest to a comedic main eventer WWE has had in the modern era, besides perhaps The Rock, who despite making people laugh supposedly did not count, though his comedy came more from insulting his opponents in clever ways; he also had the occasional silly spot and he had a tendency to oversell. TNA came somewhat close with Christian Cage, and Eric Young. | |
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Show People: In-Universe, aspiring actress Peggy Pepper believes comedy should be in a ghetto. She thinks only drama is true art, and she is mortified when by a trick of fate she winds up as a movie star in slapstick comedy. | |
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Zack Snyder's Justice League — to the surprise of many — managed to turn this reputation for the first two Zack Snyder-directed DCEU films on its head. While the film is still serious and solemn with a darker color palette, it also has a decent amount of levity and humor that feels much more organic and balanced overall, especially when compared to the quips and awkward moments in the theatrical cut from the Joss Whedon rewrites and reshoots that were criticized for feeling like Mood Whiplash. | |
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Fantastic Four (2005) was disliked for keeping a lighthearted tone while other comic book films at the time of release including Sin City (also featuring Jessica Alba) and Batman Begins had gritty tones and were praised. There were other things that caused the movie to be panned. | |
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