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A Shared Universe can become a very confusing place, and the longer they exist, the more confusing they can become. As new creators come on board and take over, continuity eventually gets tangled, convoluted, and increasingly difficult to pick through. Sometimes, it gets to the point that not even the fans who write Wikipedia articles understand what is and isn't in Canon. This is a Continuity Snarl; a state in which continuity actively and constantly contradicts itself. It goes something like this: in the beginning, the Universe is created, and it's a blank slate. Everything's new; as such, the creators can do whatever they want to do, create whatever they want to create, throw everything in and have fun doing so. Whatever works, works and whatever doesn't, doesn't. So far, so good. However, the whole idea of a Shared Universe is that different creative teams will eventually take over. Sometimes Writer A of Title A will leave and Writer B will take over, while at other times Writer A's character will guest star or make a Continuity Cameo appearance in Writers B's title. People being people, those different creators will have their own ideas. They'll have different ideas about what the 'verse should be, about what has worked and what hasn't, what might work and what doesn't. The new creative team will also want to make their distinct mark on the 'verse and their readership; as such, they'll have their own things that they want to add, things they disapprove of and want to remove or ignore. Things that were previously essential may become irrelevant to the new team. When another creative team comes along, they'll change things even more; they may even completely override the changes made by the previous team to include things that they want to see or to reassert a previous status quo. Unfortunately, sometimes what they regard as being fundamental to the original continuity was never even there to begin with! The longer that this goes on and as more teams take over, the chances of Continuity Snarls taking place go up as more retcons are made. Drastic changes opening up dozens of potential storylines are introduced and then promptly forgotten about. Different characters and storylines set in the same universe Crossover and create multiple different continuities. Add to this the problems caused by Comic-Book Time, and keeping things straight becomes a nightmare. An Audience-Alienating Era is a possible result when this all goes bad. This is particularly a problem for comic books, especially in The DCU and the Marvel Universe, which have the long-running and tangled continuities of many a character to keep straight. (Eric Burns of Websnark did a rant about this in comics here.) Long-running TV franchises can also suffer from Continuity Snarls — the Doctor Who and Star Trek universes have gotten especially snarled over time (although time travel helps Hand Wave a lot of this away). A Continuity Snarl can result in Continuity Lock-Out for readers, especially newcomers. Creators sometimes resort to the Crisis Crossover to try untangling the snarl they've made for themselves — unfortunately, this can just as easily become Continuity Porn, which more often than not just makes things worse. Can lead to a plain ol' Plot Hole. When Canon becomes too involved and self-contradictory, it starts denying new writers "room to move." So — how to fix this? The simplest, and by far most common, solution is to simply not care very much about continuity. TV show comedies are a good example — do whatever is the funniest and reset things for the next episode. If you need to offer at least a token acknowledgement to past work, just say "Okay, it happened but not in every detail." Finally, the trusty Continuity Reboot allows a clean slate; for example, new TV shows or movies in a long-running comics franchise usually make clear they're their own separate continuity. Continuity Drift is when a Retcon slowly happens over a period of time. Not to be confused with a Series Continuity Error, a singular mistake. See Armed with Canon, Comic-Book Time, and Author's Saving Throw for common causes of snarls. May result in Continuity Lock-Out, Continuity Porn, Tangled Family Tree, and Timey-Wimey Ball. Multiple-Choice Past is this trope applied to a single character. Compare Schrödinger's Canon. |
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One of the duties governing bodies like the National Wrestling Alliance have is to prevent or remove these, at least when they are in danger of becoming painfully noticeable to large amounts of people. Unfortunately the NWA itself started in an age before VHS or cable and neglected to keep track as those things became steadily less expensive until it was too late. Suddenly the large majority of fans who could only watch television of their own territory could see everything at once. For example, there were a dozen different territories with an equal amount of incompatible NWA World Tag Team Champions.note This came about because when the NWA was formed in 1948, tag team wrestling wasn't popular in all NWA territories. The NWA allowed each territory to promote its own "world tag team champions" as it saw fit. This wasn't sorted out until 1992, with everything between then and 1950 being officially listed as "vacant". | |
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The Doctor Who Magazine comic strip: Even when the strip started creating its own UNIT continuity, it developed a new dating problem. The 1990-1 story "The Mark of Mandragora" introduced a new major UNIT character Muriel Frost, in which she was depicted with the rank of Captain. By "Evening's Empire", published a few months later, she's become a Colonel — except that "The Mark of Mandragora" was set, by implication, on Millennium Eve, and definitely after 1997, while "Evening's Empire" visually appears to be set at publication date (clothing fashions and vehicles, in particular). There's a major one related to Armed with Canon shenanigans back in the nineties. After the end of the original TV show in 1989, the strip continued with stories about the Seventh Doctor and Ace, which were increasingly depicted as sharing a continuity with the Doctor Who New Adventures, eventually following their regular cast changes by replacing Ace with the book series' original companion Bernice "Benny" Summerfield and then having its aged-up Dark Action Girl version of Ace rejoin Seven and Benny. Then a new editor who really didn't like the New Adventures took over, and replaced the New Adventures-continuity strips with a series of nostalgic strips about past Doctor-companion teams... which ended, at around the time the Eighth Doctor TV movie was broadcast, with a Cross Through arc about new villains the Threshold attacking the Doctor at different periods in his timeline, and climaxed with the death of Ace, clearly depicted as dying soon after "Survival", aggressively cutting the New Adventures out of the strip's continuity. The Threshold story then continued into the first major story arc of the Eighth Doctor comics, which began at that point. Trouble is, more recent writers can't resist throwing in continuity references to both the "New Adventures shared continuity" Seventh Doctor strips and the Eighth Doctor strips, despite their canon incompatibility. |
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Whateley Universe: Does the magic department offer introductory classes for people with no previous magical ability? In one story, a magically inclined member of the school board (who, presumably, would know) explicitly says no. And yet, Ayla will be studying magic for the first time in the spring. A partial answer now exists: You need to be able to gather the energies of Magic in some way to take the courses in Magic (and it's explicitly noted that there are (inefficient) ways a normal human can do so). But that still doesn't really work - in There's an Angel in Dickenson Cottage Lodgerman explicitly tells Kerry that her brother can't come to Whateley despite his enormous magical potential because Whateley only trains students who can already use magic. Ayla can't do this, but is somehow getting enrolled in a Magic 101 course anyway. Lodgerman may be lying for some reason or another, of course, but it isn't addressed. It has since been explained that Circe (yes, that Circe) breaks many of the rules on the grounds that she also has a precognitive ability, meaning that those she trains really, really need her training due to some unspecified future event. Those to whom she offers her assistance tend to die horrible deaths — or worse. |
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Sentinels of the Multiverse: Unavoidable by the modular means the game is established. It is far from uncommon to see players choose the Bad Future versions of characters fighting alongside past incarnations to fight opponents in environments they really have no business in (just try and rationalize how in the hell Spite's victim cards make sense when playing in the barren, deserted Final Wasteland, what the Chairman's thugs are doing in the Ruins of Atlantis, or how The Matriarch got all those birds to the Wagner Base on Mars, for instance). This gets even funnier with the OblivAeon expansion, which includes five former villains as heroes, so now players can have the new heroes fighting their own past selves. Of course, the players will also only have a very vague sense of what happened where, as the events referenced in the cards' quotes were never published, so the players are free to Hand Wave it however they like. Word of God eventually confirmed that every game is canon within its own universe - and some pieces of the Multiverse are weirder than others. | |
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Likewise, if you're interested in Dracula enough to study Vlad the Impaler, prepare to pick your jaw up off the floor when you see the preposterously chaotic history of the Wallachian throne. Rulership of the principality sometimes changed hands multiple times in a single year, and some rulers had five or even six separate reigns to their name. Putting an end to that sort of thing was a major reason for some of his more famous atrocities. | |
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The Order of the Stick parodies this trope with an actual entity called The Snarl; created when multiple Gods tried to create the universe and had disagreements about how things worked. The current Fantasy Kitchen Sink of the setting was their way of avoiding this happening again. | |
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The WWE's "Kane" character, whose official life story has him having been a hopelessly-insane burn victim in an asylum at the same time he was supposed to have been hanging out in college and going to parties with his sweetheart Katie. Further complicated by the storyline of his "brother", who had a whole angle where he Broke the Fourth Wall and "went out of character". The whole thing got so complicated that they had to have somebody write a book (titled Journey Into Darkness if one should want to look it up) in an attempt to explain it. The Undertaker himself tended to be mildly rebooted when he got a gimmick change. Different personas don't often directly reference older ones, but this is a double-edged sword; most glaring is when the American Badass started out with The Undertaker doing a worked shoot to sell the idea that he wasn't supernatural in character as well as out, so he could come back as a leather-clad biker, only for Kane to kill him so he could be resurrected as undead. Occasionally a reference was made to their childhood home burning down, but which brother was responsible depended on who's heel and who's face at the time. If they're both face, it was an accident Paul Bearer's fault. With Bearer dead, WWE being PG, and both men winding down their careers (Kane pivoted to a political career in the late 2010s and Taker retired in 2020), it never came up again. |
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The "Funkyverse" consisting of Funky Winkerbean, Crankshaft and John Darling has become one. In 2007, after the death of Lisa, Funky Winkerbean skipped ahead ten years while Crankshaft didn't. In some ways, this is handled sensibly. Ed Crankshaft is hospital-ridden and near death in Funky Winkerbean, while in his own strip he's still active. Other characters are similarly de-aged. The problem is the frequent crossover stories that make no sense under this construct. Sometimes they're set up with the Funky characters saying "Remember that thing ten years ago?" More often they're not, especially when it's a concept rather than a character — the Starbuck Jones movie premiered in both strips simultaneously, somehow. And that each individual strip is a Continuity Snarl of its own. Inconsistent dates, unclear retcons, and characters who are way too old to be doing what they're doing are common problems. In the final storyline of Funky Winkerbean it was explained that the temporal discontinuity between Funky's town and Crankshaft's town, and possibly some of the other issues, are side effects of a time traveller trying to ensure that Summer Moore writes a book that will save the world. So that explains everything. | |
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Two Vampire: The Masquerade books came out close together, both revealing that Rasputin was a member of two distinct Vampire clans. Instead of making one Canon Discontinuity, it became a Running Gag that Rasputin was everywhere before revealing he was a wraith who possessed several supernatural figures since his death. | |
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The story detailed in the promo-material for LEGO's short-lived Slizer line could never agree on what the characters were (Are they single entities? Or entire species?), in what order the Elemental Nations on their planet followed each other, or just how many regions there were at all. This hit the US market harder (where the series was known as "Throwbots"), since in their story, there were multiple planets, but in the line's second year, they got replaced by the European single-planet setting. | |
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Occasionally a reference was made to their childhood home burning down, but which brother was responsible depended on who's heel and who's face at the time. If they're both face, it was an accident Paul Bearer's fault. With Bearer dead, WWE being PG, and both men winding down their careers (Kane pivoted to a political career in the late 2010s and Taker retired in 2020), it never came up again. | |
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At least in Ryougi's case, she is explicitly stated to come from a different universe, as The Garden of Sinners is set in an alternate reality from Tsukihime and Fate/stay night. | |
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Thanks to Mixels being a toyline by LEGO and a show by Cartoon Network working in tandem with each other, it is bound to get things wrong. This includes personalities of Mixels, and, most divisively, whether Jawg or Gobba is the leader of the Fang Gang (toys say Jawg, series says Gobba). | |
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The Undertaker himself tended to be mildly rebooted when he got a gimmick change. Different personas don't often directly reference older ones, but this is a double-edged sword; most glaring is when the American Badass started out with The Undertaker doing a worked shoot to sell the idea that he wasn't supernatural in character as well as out, so he could come back as a leather-clad biker, only for Kane to kill him so he could be resurrected as undead. | |
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Finally, Ryougi Shiki appears in Melty Blood despite Word of God stating that she and Tohno Shiki do not share a universe because the odds of two people having the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception at any given time make it impossible. Nobody seems to have had the eyes for several thousand years, meaning the odds of having them manifest are at probably trillions to one. Melty Blood has other issues than this, however. Satsuki is alive and a vampire, Arcueid is still around but not all yandere-y, Kohaku's route appears to have been partially resolved, Vermillion Akiha etc. At least in Ryougi's case, she is explicitly stated to come from a different universe, as The Garden of Sinners is set in an alternate reality from Tsukihime and Fate/stay night. |
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What were the circumstances surrounding the death of Goliath? The story as generally remembered is that David was a shepherd boy bringing food to his brothers in Saul's army when he heard of Goliath's challenge to single combat, introduced himself to Saul, and volunteered to fight... except that he was already serving Saul at this point as a musician and armour bearer; Saul should have known who he was and he should have been with his king in the first place. While all this just comes from the first book of Samuel, the second book of Samuel mentions how Goliath was killed by someone called Elhanan, though some Bible translations say Elhanan killed Goliath's brother Lahmi. | |
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The publication history of Magic: The Gathering’s storyline has been such a jumble of novels, comics, articles and other supplementary material that there are major and minor contradictions all over the place, but a few of the bigger ones are: The state of the island of Lat-Nam. Early sources state the island was rendered poisonous and uninhabitable for thousand of years after the College of Lat-Nam was destroyed during the Brothers’ War. Later sources never mention this, and have the School of the Unseen located there during the centuries that the island was supposedly poisoned. This is covered in greater detail on the Multiverse in Review blog. The Ice Age comics were later replaced with the novel The Eternal Ice. The problem is that while the novel invalidates some aspects of the comics, it does refer the other events from the comics that are not directly shown in the novel, meaning that part of the comic is in continuity and part of the comic is out of continuity. A number of characters from the Legends set show up in both of the Magic Legends cycles, which are set hundreds of years apart, with no explanation. One very problematic example concerns the characters Tor Wauki and Ramirez DePietro. In the first Magic Legends Cycle, Tor Wauki is an archer aboard the ship of pirate Ramirez DePietro. In the second Magic Legends Cycle, set hundreds of years later, Tor Wauki meets the shapeshifter Halfdane in the guise of DePietro and has no idea who the pirate is. Halfdane later reveals he killed DePietro two years ago. The Multiverse in Review Blog has taken a swing at this, but ultimately concludes that there is no other way out than to assume that there are multiple characters with the same name in canon, which was obviously not the original intent. |
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Warhammer 40,000. The setting is deliberately designed to take into account the possibility of Continuity Snarl by making the tech naturally variable and everything told is either from skewed viewpoints, propaganda, or possibly inaccurate documents, reports, or histories. Its creators' pronouncement is "Everything written about 40k is canon, but it isn't necessarily true." The Horus Heresy series is an exception to this; the idea is that this is what really happened, without 10,000 years of distortion...which just makes it awkward given that the sequence of events after Isstvan goes something like three different ways just within books by Graham McNeill. | |
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Drowtales' rolling Retcon (repeatedly sequentially updating older chapters with new art and story) causes chaos for many fans' understanding of the comic's backstory, and there are ongoing debates on the forums as to what formerly canon information is current canon and what isn't. | |
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Warhammer classic has this with the Undead backstory. The RPG and the novels give completely incompatible versions of events, the most glaring being that Vashanesh (the main hero of the RPG version and heavily implied to be Vlad von Carstein under a different name) does not exist at all in the novel version. What makes it really confusing is that both versions were treated as canon by different writers right up through the end of the setting. | |
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The Spoony Experiment: Any attempt to create a consistent origin for Dr. Insano creates an awful one of these, mostly because there is no effort made to keep things in the slightest consistent. The Channel Awesome site featured an attempt to explain his existence, which will probably be made inaccurate next time he shows up (the basic idea is that there are at least 3 of him around). Amusingly, Spoony's explanation for him is "There is no continuity, there is only Insano." Though he did say he was flattered that people cared enough to put forth the effort. Later "explained" in To Boldly Flee as the effect of the Plot Hole, along with any and all other plot holes in the site's continuity, implicitly along with that of the broader Reviewaverse. | |
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The Nasuverse has an interesting approach to continuity snarls. The first comes into place with Kagetsu Tohya, a sequel for Tsukihime. Kagetsu Tohya takes place in a dream world where the continuity is heavily blended and mutually conflicting events all take place together. For example, whether or not Akiha goes to Shiki's school depends on what he is thinking that morning. However, it should be impossible for this to be possible at all because the story is based around Len, and there is no route in Tsukihime where Shiki meets Len (Arcueid's familiar at the time) while Akiha goes to school with him. The continuity snarl occasionally confuses Shiki as well, but he's prevented from really thinking about it by Len. An equally weird example makes up the plot of Fate/hollow ataraxia, which blends the timeline for Fate/stay night. The nature of FSN means that almost the entire cast has to be killed off before the end, but they're all okay again in FHA. Characters who died in all three routes are back. The reason for this is because Tohsaka accidentally merged a large number of continuities together, both ones we saw and ones we did not. Thus while Lancer was always killed, there was a continuity somewhere where he didn't. On the flip-side, Kotomine remains dead since he was fated to die in every possible continuity. Like the above example, dream worlds come into it somehow, but since it hasn't been fully translated it's not quite clear how it works out exactly. Finally, Ryougi Shiki appears in Melty Blood despite Word of God stating that she and Tohno Shiki do not share a universe because the odds of two people having the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception at any given time make it impossible. Nobody seems to have had the eyes for several thousand years, meaning the odds of having them manifest are at probably trillions to one. Melty Blood has other issues than this, however. Satsuki is alive and a vampire, Arcueid is still around but not all yandere-y, Kohaku's route appears to have been partially resolved, Vermillion Akiha etc. At least in Ryougi's case, she is explicitly stated to come from a different universe, as The Garden of Sinners is set in an alternate reality from Tsukihime and Fate/stay night. |
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At one point, ECW Champion Christian wanted a match on Raw against WWE Champion Sheamus in 2010, and as part of his pitch to the guest host about making the match, he joked that he and Sheamus were both born without last names. Knowing Christian, it was possibly part of the joke that this statement ran directly counter to the fact that Sheamus O'Shaunessy and Christian Cage both spent years making their names on the independent circuit in their native countries prior to their WWF/E television debuts, upon which said surnames were scrapped. | |
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The first comes into place with Kagetsu Tohya, a sequel for Tsukihime. Kagetsu Tohya takes place in a dream world where the continuity is heavily blended and mutually conflicting events all take place together. For example, whether or not Akiha goes to Shiki's school depends on what he is thinking that morning. However, it should be impossible for this to be possible at all because the story is based around Len, and there is no route in Tsukihime where Shiki meets Len (Arcueid's familiar at the time) while Akiha goes to school with him. The continuity snarl occasionally confuses Shiki as well, but he's prevented from really thinking about it by Len. | |
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Homestar Runner is full of this. Strong Bad meets characters from Shows Within The Show whom HE HIMSELF MADE UP. | |
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An equally weird example makes up the plot of Fate/hollow ataraxia, which blends the timeline for Fate/stay night. The nature of FSN means that almost the entire cast has to be killed off before the end, but they're all okay again in FHA. Characters who died in all three routes are back. The reason for this is because Tohsaka accidentally merged a large number of continuities together, both ones we saw and ones we did not. Thus while Lancer was always killed, there was a continuity somewhere where he didn't. On the flip-side, Kotomine remains dead since he was fated to die in every possible continuity. Like the above example, dream worlds come into it somehow, but since it hasn't been fully translated it's not quite clear how it works out exactly. | |
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The Star Trek: The Next Generation VCR-based game A Klingon Challenge gives the stardate of 49253.5 for when its set. However, since this was made around the time of Season 5, future entries weren't taken into account — the closest canonical date would be 49263.5 in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Starship Down" where the Enterprise was already destroyed during the events of Star Trek: Generations (stardates 48632.4-48650.1) and the peace between the Federation and Klingons had already fallen apart. | |
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