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Devil, but No God

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Devil, but No God	comment	Works of fantasy frequently contain a powerful evil spiritual being who's behind most or all of the evil in the world, a Satan (or satanic figure) or chief God of Evil. This Devil is a very real being with followers, worshippers and real power, who takes an active hand in making trouble for the world. But in an odd twist, a lot of stories leave out the Devil's good counterpart; either there is no benevolent God, or he's only talked about and never actually does anything. This is particularly egregious if the series makes a big deal of the Balance Between Good and Evil. It's worth noting that the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity) tend to forbid visual depictions of God (the argument being that it's impossible for a human to accurately depict an all-powerful, incomprehensible being beyond all space-time, though most versions of the Bible explicitly say God created man in His image, meaning God would look like a human, if viewed literally, and Christians do traditionally believe he took the form of a man), so this trope may exist out of respect to such traditions. C. S. Lewis wrote a novella called The Screwtape Letters, detailing the correspondence between a mortal human's literal "personal demon" and that demon's supervisor. In a commentary about the story, Professor Lewis wrote that he wanted to include similar letters between the demon's opposite number, but claimed that it was far too difficult to get into an angel's mindset to do so. The existence of this trope may well be partially explained by similar limits experienced by other authors. Another alternate explanation is that in most cases He knows the heroes don't actually need His help, so He doesn't give it. Another reason is that God might easily become the ultimate Invincible Hero or Deus ex Machina (in fact, the very name Deus ex Machina came from the habit of Greek and Roman plays to have one of the gods come down from the heavens to fix up the mess the others had created), so the writers need to get rid of him. Possibly justified if people are significantly harder to make bad than good. Compare Black-and-Gray Morality, where evil exists yet good does not, and the best you can hope for are flawed "heroes" who are (barely) better than their foes.
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Devil, but No God / int_16b30b5f	comment	Inverted in Angel Hare. At least two of the major characters are angelic beings who specifically reference Scripture, but while 'demon hares' are occasionally mentioned, they never physically appear- and it's implied their existence might be more metaphorical than anything else.
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Devil, but No God / int_1869a077	comment	In Samurai Jack, there is a very powerful (and god-like) demon named Aku, who has conquered not just the world, but the whole galaxy as well. While there are some good gods (such as Odin, Ra, and Rama) who are implied to be quite capable of destroying Aku, for some unknown reasons they won't intervene directly, and just leave the responsibility of killing Aku to Jack; a mortal man who despite all his superb fighting skills, was still not even close to defeating Aku at the time. Well, at least until Jack does successfully destroy Aku in the final episode.
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Devil, but No God / int_1af341a1	comment	Inverted in a way in Disgaea. There are lots and lots of Netherworlds, each with their own Overlords, but there's no Satan equivalent that acts as a central ruling figure for them. However, only one Celestia ever present, and although God is never seen or heard, it's implied he exists. In Disgaea 4, God decides to punish the increasingly unfaithful humans, and in one of the bad endings sends an aspect of himself to punish the protagonists.
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Devil, but No God / int_1bd53ae0	comment	Bone sort of seems to have The Lord of the Locusts as an example of the trope because he is a formless being who appears to have a lot of powers and influence on the real world, and he actually killed the closest thing they had to a God. Sort of. Rose implies that the God figure was responsible for her own death, not the Satan figure. Either way, she's dead for the majority of the story. It is also briefly implied that the two beings are actually two aspects of the same being, who is both creator and destroyer, good and evil.
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Devil, but No God / int_1beda93b	comment	Satan has appeared a few times in Sluggy Freelance, but God has never been seen outside of a dream Kiki had (where he peed on her head). Averted during the "That Which Redeems" arc, however, where there is a Goddess of Good to balance out the Demon King. She's just been stuck in a freezer for a millenia or two.
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Devil, but No God / int_1f0bc3d3	comment	Has thus far been the case in Hellboy, where demons seem quite active while God remains unseen. Mignola has commented on the absence of God/Heaven in the series as revealing too much about the divine order of the universe sort of takes away the mystery in a series. He has promised we'll see glimpses of Heaven and people who have gotten close to it, but that we would see a great deal more of Hell and its inner workings.
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Devil, but No God / int_20028d77	comment	The Voice (who talks to The Spectre)
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Devil, but No God / int_21e321da	comment	Played with in Dragon Quest VII. The final battle between God and the Demon Lord ended with both MIA, but most of the world was still sealed away by evil, so that only a single island remains intact when the game begins. As you progress, the question of whether or not the Demon Lord won is repeatedly raised. Oh, sure, it looks like God planned for this by setting up a ritual to reawaken him... But when the ritual's performed, the 'God' who's summoned ain't the nicest guy around. Then post game where you do find the real God who is considerably more benevolent, it also turns out he decided to let humanity sort out the Demon Lord and restore the sealed world themselves while he just watched, wanting to make sure humans could stand on their feet without his aid.
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Devil, but No God / int_2212773a	comment	Also, for all the demons in the series, there's not one angel. At least until they start showing up in the Angel comics post-After The Fall, and most of them turn out to be Lawful Stupid. Though not all the demons are bad — several characters make references to the existence of peaceful demon races, and Whistler, Clem, Lorne and Doyle are all demons or half-demons who allied with the heroes at one time or another.
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Devil, but No God / int_22d74b2e	comment	Redwall, the indirect provider for the page image. The series has several bad guys mention "Hellgates", and one of them drops the name of Vulpuz, some sort of evil deity. The original book, Redwall, features a giant adder named Asmodeus; in-universe, one character identifies this as "the name of the devil himself", and in real world mythology it is the name for some kind of demon king or high-ranking lord of Hell. The same book also has chief villain Cluny the Scourge casually killing someone and saying "Tell the Devil Cluny sent you". Satan or the Devil is also mentioned a few other times, while God never is. The good guys have an afterlife called the Dark Forest, and in earlier books at least the appearance of having actual religion, although it is never discussed — pretty odd for a series whose title location is an abbey, populated by what was clearly, in the beginning, a monastic order. As part of the series' general Earth Drift, the not-quite-religion fades as time goes on.
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Devil, but No God / int_24b39653	comment	There was a God in Tears to Tiara. But not anymore, and the only people who ever met the guy have no idea where he's been for the rest of existence. It's actually a bit of an inversion, however. There is no God, but the Satanic figure is his former underlings the Twelve Angels. Satan himself is a pretty decent fellow here and refuses to be worshiped as a God, as that removes humanity's responsibility and will from its own hands. The angels though...
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Devil, but No God / int_251e67c5	comment	A JLA miniseries starring Zauriel the Angel climaxed with the rogue angel Asmodel storming the palace of God only to find it empty. Zauriel lectures Asmodel on the naivete of expecting God to be some mere corporeal form: God is everywhere and swiftly sends Asmodel to Hell.
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Devil, but No God / int_261c8d3f	comment	Invoked in The Simpsons episode "How I Wet Your Mother", as the family are falling to their deaths, Professor Frink tells them that he's managed to prove that there's no Heaven, but Hell exists and everybody goes there. Though Heaven and God have appeared in other episodes.
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Devil, but No God / int_267cbfa	comment	Dominic Deegan plays with it a bit. Hell and demons do play a big part in the comic's early years, but there is no central devil in charge of it all with the closest being Karnak taking over and deciding to serve as punishing the damned. The result is he stops being an antagonist and spends his days with hunting and tormenting, causing demons to have a greatly reduced role in the overall plot. Heaven does exist and there are several different religions each with their own take on a God, but no divine force of good moves to interfere even when there's a literal war going on in Hell. So it's a "no" on the Devil and a "maybe" on God.
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Devil, but No God / int_2b70efd4	comment	In the Old World of Darkness, there was Demon: The Fallen, where the titular fallen angels had finally escaped from millennia in the Pit, only to find that God and all Her angels had vanished during their imprisonment. Then again, so had Lucifer...
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Devil, but No God / int_2b8d6e40	comment	The Runelords falls victim to this one as well. The heroes eventually learn that their ultimate opponent isn't Raj Ahten, the Darkling Glory that was summoned by Raj Ahten's flameweavers, or even the Reaver queen, but the One True Master of Evil, queen of the Loci. She's actually introduced as a character in the second series, and we begin to see why she's worthy of the title. Glories and Bright Ones are talked about, but scarcely ever actually seen on-stage, and there's no indication as of yet that they have a leader or that there's any good-guy counterpart to Shadoath, the One True Master. Fallion is implied to be the reincarnation of Shadoath's good-guy counterpart: as the Torchbearer, he has the power to undo her breaking of the True World. Given Shadoath's Start of Darkness (when she, being more grasping and power-hungry than truly evil, broke the Runes that held the True World together, the other Bright Ones magically wrote their sorrows on her until it broke her completely, hollowing out everything happy and positive in her), and the stated nature of the True World, the Bright Ones are less God/Satan than heroic-scale exaggerations of human nature like you might see in ancient mythology. Because Shadoath is a Bright One and Fallion isn't (yet), her corrupt deeds are frequently much greater in scope and consequence than Fallion's heroic deeds.
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Devil, but No God / int_2cbc520b	comment	In the present timeline of Holy Bibble, Satan is very real and involved in the lives of mortals and angels alike, while God has only shown up once, and under dubious circumstances.
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Devil, but No God / int_2db80c56	comment	In the Empire of the East trilogy, The Empire has hordes of demons at its command, but Ardneh was not at that point powerful enough to face any but the weakest of them in direct combat. When Chup calls out to the "Powers of the West" to help him against the demon Zapranoth, all Ardneh can give him is guidance, not any actual power. Once Ardneh got the hydromagnetic core of the fusion power lamp, all bets were off.
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Devil, but No God / int_30065ab	comment	Cuphead: The Devil serves as both the ruler of hell and owner of a Casino. After Cuphead and Mugman end up losing their souls to him in a Craps game, he agrees to spare them if he collects the soul contracts from the other residents of Inkwell Isle. At no point in the game is God ever mentioned.
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Devil, but No God / int_30f32521	comment	In Darksiders, a figure known as the Creator has existed for untold millennia and made countless races, including angels and demons. However, he left the Charred Council to preserve the balance between these species and prevent them from threatening all of existence. With them as the mediator, the Creator doesn't intervene and is implied to have also abandoned its creation long ago.
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Devil, but No God / int_353699d6	comment	DmC: Devil May Cry rebooted Dante into being a half-angel half-demon. The story tells us that at many points in Earth's history demons and angels went to war against each other, and Mundus has a pathological hatred for angels as a result of this rivalry. Sparda's decision to mate with Eva (who is an angel in this universe) made Mundus angry enough to exile Sparda to his eternal torment. Also, we're told that nephilim, a hybrid subspecies born of demons and angels, were so powerful that they endangered the supremacy of both sides — this being the one exception where demons and angels actually fought together against a common enemy. As for where God is in this picture is unclear, nor are we told why the angels seem okay with Mundus ruling over the Earth as an emperor in the shadows.
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Devil, but No God / int_35786cf6	comment	Ambiguously the case in the Johannes Cabal books. In Johannes Cabal the Necromancer, Satan refers to himself as being a fallen angel (in line with Christian religion/mythology) and tortures the damned in Fire and Brimstone Hell, and Cabal seems to be believe that God exists, but doesn't like him either and believes that Heaven is also unpleasant, involving a loss of individuality. However, in a later book, Johannes Cabal and the Fear Institute, Cabal meets Nyarlathotep, who claims during a Breaking Speech that there is no Satan/God/Hell/Heaven, and in reality, Satan is just one of his masks, and merely believes himself to be a separate entity, and for his amusement, Nyarlathotep likes to torture bad souls and give good ones the "gift" of a Cessation of Existence. This is seemingly born out by a scene where Cabal (admittedly while trapped in a Lotus-Eater Machine created by Nyarlathotep) has a vision of Satan and Hell and thinks he looks a lot like Nyarlathotep's human form. Although it is possible that Nyarlathotep was just saying this to Mind Rape Cabal, and there are indications that demons and devils exist independently of him, there's nothing that challenges Nyarlathotep's claims about God and Heaven.
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Devil, but No God / int_359049ac	comment	In This Is the End, which takes place during the apocalypse, the Devil is shown in detail, but God is not shown. This is despite the fact that two of the main characters ascend to Fluffy Cloud Heaven at the end of the movie and become angels.
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Devil, but No God / int_36343514	comment	Justified in Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow, where most religious discussion is with the main character's Miko friend, who naturally discusses things in Shinto terms, not Christian. Though ironically God is still brought up in both this game and its sequel.
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Devil, but No God / int_38c57aa2	comment	Eberron uses this in all sorts of weird ways. One of the main themes of the setting is that evil has an advantage, but mortal heroism can make up the difference. As a result, you get things like the fiendish Overlords, who were obscenely powerful forces of darkness and corruption, without counterbalancing forces of benevolence - but the Overlords are Sealed Evil in a Can because mortal dragons worked with the couatl to bind them.
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Devil, but No God / int_3ac36a5c	comment	Transformers: Generation 1, cartoon continuity. While both the cartoon and the comics had devil-figure Unicron, God-figure Primus was a comics-only figure until Beast Wars ten years later. Transformers: Animated as well. Character designer (and fellow fan) Derrick Wyatt has stated many times that Primus is not in the Animated universe, but Unicron might exist, albeit simply as a mechanical Eldritch Abomination rather than an actual god. In the end, we saw neither. In Transformers: Prime, we met Unicron in a three-parter. Primus gets the odd name-drop, and "By the Allspark" remains a popular Oh, My Gods! statement (no word on whether they mean a big box or where sparks end up.) but both concepts stay far offscreen. The Grand Finale movie Predacons Rising finally clarifies the status of the Allspark in this series by blending everything ever meant by the word Allspark into one. Primus exists but we also don't meet him. Vector Sigma exists, and was used to restore the Matrix of Leadership in season two. Still, the Allspark is mostly something Optimus has to get back to the core of Cybertron, while Unicron is alive, active, and trying to destroy all life and bring about a reign of chaos. (But as stated before, God showing up to save everyone is sort of a drama killer, so it's best if Primus keeps his hands out of things.)
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Devil, but No God / int_3cbd6db6	comment	Reaper. The Devil is a main character and several demons have appeared, but neither God nor explicit angels have. Well, the demons are all fallen angels, one demon managed to get his old gig back, and God was mentioned as the ultimate winner by the Devil in the first episode. Still, a good deal less good than evil.
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Devil, but No God / int_3f3abe9	comment	Rick and Morty: The Devil appears in one episode but God is never seen in person. Rick C-137 (the smartest man in the multiverse) thinks he doesn't exist. It is certainly possible that God may indeed exist as well and Rick is aware of the fact, but chooses to deny its existence or defy its authority for whatever reason. It is also possible that "The Devil" is not actually the biblical/literal devil, but rather yet another interdimensional being who is just a mere annoyance to Rick. On at least one instance Rick actually did make a pretty desperate plea to Jesus and God for survival, after he had sacrificed himself to save Morty and resigned to death but seen a glimmer of hope to not die. Naturally Rick, being Rick, immediately 180's to yelling at God to fuck off the second he actually does manage to survive. Christianity gets a nod as something Rick and Morty would never appeal to given their characters, and they use that fact to defeat Story Lord. Subverted with Reggie, a Zeus with god-like power who had thousands of kids with a living planet. Rick casually dismisses him as "just a Zeus" and points out, after Reggie's death, that if he were the God then things would have ended very differently for Rick. Considering how badly "just a Zeus" was able to kick the man-shit out of Rick (who only survived, let alone won, thanks to a sheer stroke of luck), the real God of the Rick and Morty universe must be a real force to be reckoned with. One of the Decoy Ricks makes mention that God was asleep for thousands of years, and Rick plans to kill him, but given how the episode played out, the veracity of this claim is yet to be verified.
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Devil, but No God / int_43576f5	comment	Supernatural has an interesting history with this. Throughout the first three seasons, demons and other forces of evil were running rampant across the world without any opposing force of good to stop them aside from human hunters. The Devil gets a mention, but as a religious deity which the demons believe in, not as an actual character. There are also a number of pagan gods and demigods, but they all seem to be either evil or purely self-interested. In terms of the demons' good counterparts, in season 4 the writers decided to take a different direction and angels first appear, despite Dean's disbelief. They are technically on the side of good, but vary in how much they care about helping people versus pursuing their own goals and interests. There are plenty of good angels, but they are bound by a strict hierarchy where disobedience is the highest crime. In 4.02 it's explained that the Devil/Lucifer the archangel will once again roam the earth unless the Apocalypse can be averted (being an archangel, his "good" counterpart is Archangel Michael). His backstory is also fleshed out: After he was expelled from Heaven for refusing to bow down to man, he created the first demon and is responsible for most of the larger storyline across all 5 seasons. In the season 4 finale, the 66 seals keeping Lucifer trapped are broken, and he returns to Earth as the season 5 Big Bad. As for God himself, he has only ever been seen by four archangels. In the season 4 finale, Zachariah claimed God had 'left the building', and that the angels were giving the orders. In season 5 however God has been implied to have intervened in the storyline, transporting Sam and Dean out of harms way and bringing the angel Castiel back to life. Subsequent attempts to find him reveal that he is completely apathetic about the war between Heaven and Hell. Either that or while he does want Sam and Dean to win, he needs to be subtle in his methods to allow free will to continue. Then in the season 5 finale it's very strongly implied that Chuck is God. Admittedly, all he does is dress in an uncharacteristically smart white suit as opposed to his usual scruffy state, act in a much more calm and knowing manner, and then vanish into thin air, but since all angels and demons thus far had thought he was just a prophet and otherwise ordinary human, there aren't many alternatives. After all, angels and demons can detect each other. Plus, with his monologue/narration...he's God. Season 11 confirms Chuck is indeed God and that he has simply been off doing his own thing throughout the entire series. In this setting, God Is Flawed as all hell. He admits that he used to have a great part in helping humanity move forward but stopped after a certain point due to a combination of both humanity and the angels disappointing him time after time and realizing that his interference wasn't effective. Eventually he decided that humanity was better off left to their own devices and left, which is why he didn't personally step in to stop the Apocalypse. While he feels that things have improved since his departure, others like Dean and many of the angels feel differently. During his conversations with Metatron, Dean, and even Lucifer, he's clearly frustrated that nothing he does or doesn't do seems to help his creations. As of Season 12, God has left Earth alongside his sister Amara for parts unknown. Unfortunately for everyone else, Lucifer is still loose and the other archangels are either dead or indisposed, meaning that the show has finally truly crossed into this territory. Word of God is that there originally weren't going to be angels and an Abrahamic God on Supernatural at all, and that the decision to introduce them in season 4 was made after the 2007â€“2008 Writers Guild of America strike wrecked the planned ending to season 3 and forced the creators to find a new way to get Dean out of his Deal with the Devil. Whether Lucifer was also a result of this change or was intended to be the Big Bad from the start is unclear (his existence was alluded to prior to the episodes affected by the strike, but only in extremely vague terms that could have just been intended as Worldbuilding before being welded into the main storyline).
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Devil, but No God / int_43abaff4	comment	The Exorcist film series. The power of God/Christ does seem to be more powerful than the power of the Devil but God seems absent for the most part.
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Devil, but No God / int_44127c7c	comment	In the Power Rangers Universe, there seem to be an awful lot of monstrous evil elder beings that exist to cause pain and destruction. But the heroic elder beings tend to be light on the ground. This doesn't seem to worry the Rangers most years, who usually save the day without needing divine intervention, but during season 10, the Rangers would have died on multiple occasions had a god (Animus, the diety of the wild zords) not directly intervened to save them.
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Devil, but No God / int_4617a9f2	comment	In Married... with Children, Al Bundy meets Lucifer, but cannot disturb God: He's watching Knots Landing. He does get an oblique mention (though no name-check) in their It's a Wonderful Plot episode. The angel (played by Sam Kinison) who visits Al intimates that God spends a lot of time playing Nintendo.
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Devil, but No God / int_486a1ca4	comment	The universe of American Horror Story seems to fall into this. Satan, The Antichrist, and other malevolent deities make frequent appearances throughout the series but God or other benevolent deities are nowhere to be found. The only forces that appear on the show that aren't explicitly evil are either morally gray or indifferent towards humanity.
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Devil, but No God / int_4b114f07	comment	Spawn (1997): The movie centers around a character who's been to Hell and several demons, yet no angels or indicators of heaven appear in the movie apart from one character lamenting that God gets all the capable dead. During this Spawn never discusses or even considers the possibility of trying the other side. While Spawn was sent to Hell, keep in mind it was punishment for murdering innocents and being an abusive husband, so he brought it on himself.
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Devil, but No God / int_4d97191f	comment	In the sequel Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Dracula (or rather, whoever holds Dracula's title as "Dark Lord") is outright said to be the opposite of God, which if true would make him the local equivalent of Satan. It's not entirely clear if this is true, however, as the only people who seem to be sure of it are a cult with dubious motivations and a benign but very grouchy immortal with a highly cynical view of the universe.
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Devil, but No God / int_4dd034c2	comment	Obviously referenced by the title of No Gods Only Daimons. This is how Luke Landon, the main character, views the world at the beginning, however, evidence is starting to appear that this is not the case.
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Devil, but No God / int_4ea10091	comment	Grandia II's big twist is that Granas, the God of Light, was killed at the hands of Valmar, the Devil of Darkness. And then subverted or possibly played double-straight when it's revealed that while Granas was alive, he ruled a totalitarian empire that forced all people to worship him constantly. The creators of the Devil entity were originally just your typical rebel alliance. Oh, and both gods are really just products of extremely (sufficiently) advanced technology.
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Devil, but No God / int_503cf9e4	comment	Inverted in Rhythm Heaven. The titular place has been seen multiple times throughout the series, angels exist nearby, and one minigame (Donk-Donk) is specifically about going there. In Megamix, there's even a separate location known as Heaven World, whose inhabitants become castle-like "guardians" when they grow up. While ghosts and demons have been shown in several minigames, nothing resembling the underworld nor Hell is visited in the series.
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Devil, but No God / int_50f64744	comment	In Evolve Idle most universes have Hell planets as well as a Hell dimension, both populated with demons but there is no heaven or angelic beings unless it is in an evil universe, where Hell planets are replaced with Eden worlds and the demons that would normally evolve on them are replaced with angelic beings like cherubs. The Hell dimension is the same everywhere, though.
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Devil, but No God / int_531d0627	comment	In the DC Animated Movie Universe, Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips are free to oppress and terrorize the universe. There is zero mention of Highfather, Orion, or the other benevolent New Gods from the comics. Either they donâ€™t exist, are indifferent to the universe, or Darkseid already triumphed over them.
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Devil, but No God / int_5688a1b0	comment	Possibly true in The Saga of the Noble Dead. So far, the only active divinities are il'Samar, which is evil, and the Fay, which are amoral, but the most recent book has introduced a group of dwarven priests who are good and have magical powers no one else does, clearly drawn from something. As the series goes on, presumably this will be elaborated on further.
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Devil, but No God / int_5bd0554b	comment	Averted in the Warcraft universe which does feature benevolent gods, including some who directly help the player at times. Interestingly, the game's most widespread "good" religion, The Light, is arguably more like Buddhism in that it has nothing to do with worship or deities and more to do with philosophy and introspection. That said, we have recently became aware of the Void Lords who created the Old Gods and are currently implied to be the ultimate force for evil in the universe/franchise. They do not, as far as we know, have any "Light Lords" or equavalent Good Counterpart, so, Double Subversion?
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Devil, but No God / int_5ce2f08b	comment	In Black Butler we have lawful evil devils, while shinigamis are either lawful neutral or chaotic evil, but there are no benevolent supernatural beings. In the anime version the Big Bad is a fallen angel and a mention of God, which implies there are good angels, but they never show up and a devil saves the day.
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Devil, but No God / int_5e150650	comment	In Exalted, this is Word of God's explanation stance on the morality of Infernal Exalted making a Deal with the Devil.
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Devil, but No God / int_6085796	comment	The Dark Side of the Moon (1990): Discussed at the end when the Devil (possessing one of the crew members) reveals himself to the only other survivor by pointing out how strange it is that he has no faith in God despite knowing that the Devil actually exists.
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Devil, but No God / int_6250d2c3	comment	In College Roomies from Hell!!!, Satan certainly exists, being a major recurring antagonist. However, the only clear evidence that God exists is a few "miraculous" events and Satan's own word; at least at one point, Margaret, the character Satan's most antagonized, was openly skeptical.
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Devil, but No God / int_62570927	comment	In Marvel Universe, Satan was a recurring character in the Son of Satan series. God, Jesus or the Angels never appeared or interfered. Later, it was retconned that Satan was being impersonated by demons such as Mephisto, and that the true Devil had NEVER appeared in a Marvel story.note It has since been revealed that there are several Netherrealms claiming to be Hell, and that its rulers inspired legends of the Devil rather than directly being him, and the only souls they lay claim to are those who made bargains with them. In Ghost Rider, angels and Heaven have shown up. Well, Blaze had a guy helping him against Satan who was at some points implied to be Jesus ... but was later retconned to be one of Mephisto's illusions (who semingly stood against Mephisto for some reason), because editorial got cold feet. Journey into Mystery (The Mighty Thor comic)note NOT the original comic that launched The Mighty Thor, but rather the mid 2010's comic which featured the Ensemble Dark Horse Loki gave us a council of those various hell lords like Nightmare, Satannish, and the Son-of-Satan-father Satan.note In the past he's claimed he just named himself after the biblical figure. The evil demonic beings meet up and all have their own throne. There is one empty in the middle, for the true Satan ruler of all hells. It has never been used, but they're all terrified to sit on it and "claim" it, not only for the competition from the other Hell Lords vying for it, but of the possibility that he might be real and come back. The Marvel Universe with this is actually an inversion of the trope. As in there is quite clearly a supreme God (The One-Above-All) but no supreme Devil. About the One-Above-All there are two hypotheses floating around with an accompanying Shrug of God as both have their own implications the company doesn't want to tackle: 1) They are the Judeo-Christian God (which would lead to uncomfortable questions about the other gods) 2) They are an Author Avatar (which would "demote" YHVH to just another godhead like Zeus or Odin). If you dig deep enough you can find canonical evidence for both, but generally option 2 seems to be more popular (and would actually explain 1) too, when the author happens to be monotheistic his/her god will be the supreme one). That being said, The Immortal Hulk seems to have introduced a supreme Devil in the form of the One-Below-All, although its precise nature isn't entirely clear. It's revealed in the climax that it's practically the One-Above-All's own Hulk-like identity. The Incredible Hulk: A good example is when an old flame allows Bruce Banner to see all his inner personalities (each a different Hulk), one of whom takes the form of a monstrous reptilian devil. Devil Hulk tells Bruce "There's a little bit of God and the Devil in everyone", but the comics have yet to get around to that God part. We do get to see that an incarnation of the Beast lives in Bruce's head as well. Another Hulk story offers a Double Subversion: Old Greenskin (who at the time had Bruce Banner's intellect) acted as best man at Rick Jones' wedding, and Mephisto crashed the party, claiming to have a lien on the bride's soul. He offered the Hulk a deal: His soul for hers. Banner thought it over, looked up at the sky, and sucker-punched the demon so completely that he flew right through the fire-circle wards he'd set up to keep the other superbeings in attendance from interfering. Sputtering, Mephisto screamed that what the Hulk had done was impossible (No mortal, however powerful, should be able to land a blow on a conceptual being without permission). Banner replied, (not an exact quote): "Weren't you listening to what the preacher said? We are gathered here in the sight of God! What, did you, of all beings, think that those were just words?" While Mephisto leaves the wedding seemingly defeated, his thoughts reveal that he took the beating on purpose to increase the Hulk's hubris. A few issues later, the Hulk's organisation, the Pantheon, went down in flames and Banner suffered a pretty bad nervous breakdown, ruining all of his work with Doc Samson.
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Devil, but No God / int_629cd094	comment	While it's unsure if the Maker in Dragon Age: Origins exists, there is no Devil or god of evil, only personifications of character traits. A rage demon the PC fights with the help of a templar laughs at the templar's declarations of faith, taunting him that the god he worships and the heaven he hopes for simply don't exist, but that there are demons. He then attacks the party. (There is never any solid indication that the god the Templars worship really exists. Their church was started by a prophet who was said to have divine powers, but there is a competing theory that she was simply an incredibly powerful mage.) It has likewise been speculated that the Maker could be an unusually powerful benign Fade spirit (they exist, but since they don't try to possess people by force, they are rarely seen, unlike demons) - or a Pride Demon. Regardless of whether or not God (the Maker) exists, the religion's particular belief is that the Maker turned his back on humanity, first for daring to try to reach his city deep within the Fade (which turned the Golden City into the Black City, unleashed the Archdemons and the Darkspawn, and caused the collapse of the powerful Tevinter Empire), and then for subsequently murdering his bride (the prophet Andraste, who had just convinced the Maker that people were worth saving when she was burned at the stake). Suffice to say, if there is a God, humans really went out of their way to piss him off. The church believes that spreading the Chant and defeating the Archdemons will allow humans to redeem themselves in the Maker's eyes. The dwarves and the elves don't necessarily believe in the Chantry's teachings, preferring to believe in ancestors (Paragons) and the old gods (mostly of nature), for dwarves and elves respectively. While Paragons really did exist, there's no evidence for the Elven Pantheon until Inquisition, where Flemeth reveals herself to have a fragment of Mythal within her, and Solas turns out to be Fan'Heral/the Dread Wolf. The Trespasser expansion pack reveals further information about them confirming that they were not really gods, but phenomenally powerful mages that became revered as god emperors by their subjects. According to Justice in the Awakening expansion pack even the spirits don't know if the Maker exists. As for the Devil there are no clear analogues except maybe the four demons that, according to the in-game codex, taught Humanity Blood Magic. On the other hand you can fight several of them in the games as optional bosses, so it's unlikely that they are some kind of Devil. This is a key plot point in Dragon Age: Inquisition. Corypheus (one of the 7 original Darkspawn) confirms the Chantry's version of the Darkspawn origin story, but states that the Golden City was already corrupted and empty when the 7 first entered it, and that there was no sign of the Maker inside. This fuels his plan to become God and give the world the Maker it deserves. The creators themselves have said that it is intentionally ambiguous and they don't plan to give a clear answer.
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Devil, but No God / int_68237790	comment	Pathfinder: Asmodeus is the Lawful Evil Counterpart to Ihys, his Chaotic Good brother. Naturally, Asmodeus killed Ihys. Of course, given that Asmodeus isn't known for being a particularly honest deity, it's possible that he made the whole thing up. The point is that the closest equivalent to the Abrahamic God doesn't exist, but the closest equivalent to the devil does. Then again, as with Dungeons & Dragons, there are many other gods that are good, evil or in-between, so there still is an overall balance.
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Devil, but No God / int_684610	comment	BlazBlue: There is no 'benevolent God', the closest thing you can call 'God' is a supercomputer more interested in keeping the whole world inside a depressing time loop. And there's the Devil figure known as the spirit Terumi Yuuki who actually succeeded in destroying or disabling that supercomputer. Chronophantasma eventually reveals that there IS a God... but didn't make anything better. Said God is... Izanami, the Goddess of Death, and by all means, after Terumi is actually disposed... she's going to do something worse. Ultimately subverted by the time Central Fiction runs in, because Izanami was just an aspect of the actual God Amaterasu... but she's still kind of selfish and only runs in personal interest of getting herself out of the 'God' role she was put in. Meanwhile, Terumi returns and is revealed to be another God, Susano'o... but he still fulfills the Satanic Archetype, probably even moreso than before.
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Devil, but No God / int_6a8aff51	comment	The Stormlight Archive: The Alethi both pray to the Almighty, and believe that after death they go to a Valhalla style battlefield to reclaim the Heavens from the voidbringers. However by the end of the first book, Dalinar's visions reveal that Honor, who was protecting Roshar is dead. In the Second book Odium, who killed Honor, comes back to destroy humanity, which seems to make this trope apply. A third Shard, Cultivation, is also mentioned at various times throughout the books, but isn't directly worshiped and seems to be relatively neutral compared to the other two, until the Third book, when her intervention helps thwart Odium's plans and save Dalinar.
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Devil, but No God / int_6ac55ec7	comment	In Dungeons & Dragons, the World Of Greyhawk has Tharizdun, ultimate dark god, Sealed Evil in a Can since he's an Omnicidal Maniac horror. There is no counterbalancing ultimate good god. Tharizdun may be the most utterly evil of Greyhawk's god, but he is far from the strongest- in the first three editions of the game, he was ranked as an intermediate deity, and his imprisonment barred him from affecting the world more than a weak demigod. In Gary Gygax's Gord novels, Tharizdun once freed is a nigh-omnipotent being who can easily force all the demon princes, archfiends, and other rulers of the Lower Planes to serve him. The most powerful of the evil gods, Nerull the Reaper, does have a good counterpart in Pelor the Sun God. Also, the demons of the Abyss (Demogorgon, Orcus, etc...) are directly opposed by some guardinal dukes from Elysium. Early in the company's history, TSR did publish statistics for God, Jesus and Archangels, but later removed them from publication after heavy criticism. They have tons of other gods though, both evil and good. Most of the core D&D settings were actually extremely focused on the issue of balancing out the various alignments. Greyhawk, Dragonlance and the Forgotten Realms all played heavily around the idea of Good/Neutral/Evil deities and other-planar beings. However, it was Planescape that really took the cake, as it had the concept that real estate on the alignment-based Outer Planes could be moved around based on the nature of the residents. This served to explain why gods were often too busy to meddle more in affairs on the Prime Material Plane. It also explained cosmic conflicts like the Blood War, which was really all the fiends fighting each other to absorb each other's planes and thus create a single "Hell". More often than not, the powers of Good just egged them on because it kept the fiends occupied. Interestingly enough, celestial "monsters" (such as Devas, Planetars and Solars) were often vastly more powerful than most of their fiendish counterparts (Demons, Daemons, Devils, etc.). A single Planetar or a Solar could flatten multiple Pit Fiends or Balors. However, they were also less numerous, so it was generally assumed to balance out. Forgotten Realms seems to avert this by balancing extremely evil and powerful figures with equally powerful and good figures. Most any evil deity will have a good counter-part, as will most evil entities, such as aberrations, orcs, drow (Dark elves), and so on. The one all powerful being, Ao, is considered some form of neutral, or just above it all. Eberron uses this in all sorts of weird ways. One of the main themes of the setting is that evil has an advantage, but mortal heroism can make up the difference. As a result, you get things like the fiendish Overlords, who were obscenely powerful forces of darkness and corruption, without counterbalancing forces of benevolence - but the Overlords are Sealed Evil in a Can because mortal dragons worked with the couatl to bind them. Justified in one 3.5 setting called Midnight: when Izrador was banished to the material plane, he managed to cut it off from other worlds, leaving him as the only divinity able to access it (because he was now a physical being there). Something similar also happened temporarily in Dragonlance when Takhisis managed to cut off all of the other gods including the other evil gods from the setting leaving herself as the only god with any influence until mortal heroes managed to bring the rest of the gods back. Another example is Ravenloft and its spin-off Masque of the Red Death. The Ravenloft setting is ruled over by mysterious beings called the Dark Powers. While there are many religions in Ravenloft, the Dark Powers are possibly the only divine entities that both actually exist and have any influence. It is unclear if the Dark Powers actually are evil or are neutral beings with a twisted sense of justice but they are the creators of the setting and thus are directly or indirectly behind much of the suffering that happens there, as they reward and punish evil at the same time. Masque of the Red Death takes place on a twisted version of earth that is under the influence of a rogue Dark Power called the Red Death who is much more actively malicious.
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Devil, but No God / int_6c1234ed	comment	In Dwarf Fortress, civilizations worship various gods, with temples being built in their honor and, very rarely, holy wars in their name. For all that, the gods mostly curse people who profane themnote a Death God might also teach necromancers immortality - and then only if they're widely worshiped. Demons are actively involved in the world, taking over human and goblin civilizations by posing as the aforementioned gods and beating their way to the top, respectively. More show up if you've Dug Too Deep. Lots more. A strong Dwarven fortress is quite capable of demonstrating the mortality of these Demons. Gods they very clearly ain't.
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Devil, but No God / int_6cc7497b	comment	Subverted in Castlevania (2017): God exists and grants his followers the power to burn unholy beings. He has no other presence in the face of Dracula's army of demons invading Wallachia because He doesn't believe the people deserve any better. Blue Fangs spells it out when he enters the cathedral of Gresit to kill the corrupt Bishop who incited Dracula's wrath in the first place.
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Devil, but No God / int_6d9a0c36	comment	Played with in The First Law. There are no true gods in the setting; in fact, the local Crystal Dragon Muhammad being a powerful wizard running an elaborate ruse is a major part of the setting and its general tone. However, demons are very real. Oddly enough, the closest thing to a God figure is the mythic hero Euz, who was himself half-demonic. His four sons (well, Juvens, Kanedias, and Glustrod, anyway) went on to start the plot of the original trilogy in motion.
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Devil, but No God / int_701f0ece	comment	Berserk has the "God Hand", a group of five powerful demons as the closest thing to gods. The only other set of deities, the Four Elemental Kings, are said to be loving and protective of humanity, but only seem to help out if consciously summoned. The Idea of Evil, who the Godhand answer to, seems to be the closest thing to a God in the Berserk universe, but it's only (so far) been seen in a semi-canon chapter that was cut for spoilering the plot. However, it's both God AND the devil. It stated it basically existed because humans want a supernatural explanation for why they live in a Crapsack World, and obliges by making the world an even shittier place. While it's powerful enough to bend reality into knots and transform humans into lovecraftian monsters, it can't seem to directly influence human free will.
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Devil, but No God / int_70814599	comment	With all the false gods in Stargate SG-1, there is no Sufficiently Advanced Alien masquerading as the God of Abrahamic religions — whereas the Goa'uld Sokar is said to have been the inspiration for the Devil in various cultures. The ascended beings are sorta stand-ins for angelic beings: clad in white, all-knowing and infuriatingly self-satisfied. Occasionally one of them will get around their own Obstructive Code of Conduct to pull off a genuine miracle, like when Oma Desala fights Anubis to a standstill, or when Morgan La Fey heals Teal'c and kicks Adria's butt in The Ark of Truth. The series lampshades this at one point, with Teal'c commenting that he can't imagine a Goa'uld capable of the benevolence shown by Jesus Christ. The question of the Abrahamic God's possible existence (or at least the existence of an all-powerful creator deity) is brought up in the Stargate Universe spin-off series in several episodes such as "Faith" were the crew find a star system with a paradise planet that should not exist there due to it's age not matching it's state and the fact that the Ancient Seed Ships didn't detect it when passing through the location. It was revealed to be created by an extraordinarily advanced race of beings (who may or may not be Ascended Beings) between the time Seed Ships passed through and Destiny arrived which is give or take 2000 years. Some characters believe the aliens are a higher power or God or both and choose to stay with no proof one way or the other. Later, these same aliens seemingly save T.J.s baby from dying in the womb after a gunshot wound and sent it to the planet to live there via non-physical means however it may have been a dream induced by the Destiny's A.I. considering later on again the crew from the planet return without the baby having been resurrected after dying from the harsh winter there and sent back only to die again shortly after. One of them believes the aliens restored their bodies but not their souls and that T.J's baby is in a better place but these is neither confirmed nor denied. Finally it's revealed during the series that the Ancients discovered a signal or pattern or some form of intelligence embedded deep within the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation of the universe which existed prior to the universe's creation indicating the either the existence of an far older and more advanced Precursor race than the Ancients (possibly the aliens who built the star system) or God or even both. However the series was cancelled before it had a chance to resolve these storylines.
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Devil, but No God / int_7203e5dd	comment	Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas is an odd example: the Big Bad is Eris, the goddess of discord, who is presumably one and the same with the Greek mythological Eris. But no other gods appear or are even mentioned, and Eris is alone (save for her monsters) in the scenes depicting her looking down on the world.
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Devil, but No God / int_74945bfb	comment	The Crimson Shadow: God is mentioned and worshiped, but never appears, only the good mage Brind'Amour (he believes God is the source of his power) and a paladin. Meanwhile, evil sorcerers like the main villain King Greensparrow and his minions are in bed with actual demons, who do appear. Brind'Amour's speech to Luthien on the matter may indicate this isn't necessary-if like he says good mages' power is (ultimately) from God, He doesn't really need to intervene (nor even send angels or whatever) since they will win in the end inevitably, being on His side.
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Devil, but No God / int_755997ac	comment	Doom: The original Doom games play this straight. It seems the only force of Good in the verse is our hero Doomguy, the Berserker Packin' man-and-a-half who takes on the hordes of Hell with his trusty shotgun (and chainsaw). That turns out to be enough, but still. Interestingly enough, the novels' interpretation of the Doomguy is a devout Catholic regardless. DoomÂ³: The game has the main character face demonic forced without any help from divine forces (which aren't said to exist anyway), unless you count the Soul Cube used by the Martians as a holy weapon. It is stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that the demons are demons, while the previous games left some reasonable doubt that they might just be weird-looking aliens from our dimension (which is what the novels went with). The ending of Resurrection of Evil at least implies that Heaven exists, but the whole thing is still vague. Zig-zagged in Doom (2016) and Doom Eternal. The Slayer Testaments of 2016 talk about how the Doom Slayer received his enhanced speed and strength from a "Seraphim", and there's a tablet depicting an angelic-looking hooded figure watching him beat up on some demons. However, Eternal reveals that the closest thing to angels in Doom, the Maykrs of the realm of Urdak, are actually in cahoots with Hell in order to sustain their own civilization, with the Seraphim himself being a rogue Maykr. That said, it's also revealed that the Maykrs do have a progenitor they call "The Father", who is said to be the creator of all life in the universe, including Hell itself, but his time outside of the physical realm left the Maykrs to manipulate humans and many other species throughout the multiverse and lead to them developing their conceptions of heaven based on their manipulations. The Ancient Gods DLC for Doom Eternal reveals the truth: God and the Devil are one and the same... the Father BECAME the Dark Lord of Hell after the Maykrs betrayed him. The being calling itself the Father through the first DLC is a usurper and a fake, being just a particularly powerful Maykr himself.
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Devil, but No God / int_76304dd1	comment	The Felix Castor novels have several demons lurking on the periphery ever since the recent return of the restless dead, but there's no mention made of angels or God's representatives. Exorcists are nondenominational (and sometimes atheists), and the local Church Militant branch relies mostly on their own exorcists and bunches of loup-garous. The vast amount of demons may make more sense with the revelation that human souls can metamorphosize into demons, and that this is likely how the succubus Juliet began her infernal existence.
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Devil, but No God / int_7c84b2bb	comment	That being said, The Immortal Hulk seems to have introduced a supreme Devil in the form of the One-Below-All, although its precise nature isn't entirely clear. It's revealed in the climax that it's practically the One-Above-All's own Hulk-like identity.
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Devil, but No God / int_7dcc80c6	comment	Chrono Crusade. Is there really anyone above the humans and the devils, except perhaps a Council of Angels? Aion's entire life can be seen as a quest to find an answer to that, (and his last words don't exactly help. That's the anime version. In the manga, the demons are actually aliens, and Aion is fully aware of this (and subsequently believes that God and religion are just another cog in an "oppressive system") and the Apostles are stated to be "chosen by the Astraline", while God...well, not mentioned much. Either he's carefully manipulating things in the background, or just simply doesn't exist.
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Devil, but No God / int_7df9324b	comment	Demons obviously exist in the world of Zebra Girl, but there is noticeably no sign of God or any sort of angelic power. As is evidenced when Sandra (herself transformed into a demon) has a nervous breakdown and begins screaming into the sky, begging God for answers, before coming to the cold realization, "I'm just talking to myself here, aren't I?"
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Devil, but No God / int_7fc78282	comment	Averted in The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion (or possibly subverted). While Morgoth (whose backstory as essentially a fallen angel is a fairly direct Lucifer analogue) and later Sauron are generally the most powerful forces directly affecting Middle-earth at a given time, God (Eru IlÃºvatar) does exist and will act directly if pushed far enough (see "The Downfall of NÃºmenor"). Gandalf also implies that He is subtly influencing world events all the time. Gandalf also says in the book, as explanation for Bilbo's astonishing Contrived Coincidence in happening to come across the Ring in the way that he did: "There was more than one power at work. I can put it no more plainly than that Bilbo was meant to find that ring, and not by its maker." Gandalf himself is proof of the creator, since he's more or less an Angel. And God gives him a new, stronger body when the Balrog kills the one he's wearing at the moment.
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Devil, but No God / int_8268c95e	comment	In Fallen, there is a demon essentially free to take over people's bodies and use them to commit murder. Apparently, the forces of Heaven are not concerned enough to show up and do something about it. There are some Catholic demonologists mentioned to fight the demons, but we never see this and the one who is shown in the film only gives the protagonist information on them.
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Devil, but No God / int_8459204b	comment	Legend of the Seeker: Unlike in the book series, the Creator does show up... maybe. The Keeper, however, is far more prominent overall, regularly intervening or giving minions' orders in the second season.
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Devil, but No God / int_847bc578	comment	The Reckoners Trilogy has an interesting variant: Humans have started spontaneously developing comic-book-esque superpowers, but every single "Epic" is utterly evil. It turns out being even more direct, as Calamity, the being responsible for giving Epics their powers absolutely hates humanity.
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Devil, but No God / int_85a5a3b9	comment	In Transformers: Prime, we met Unicron in a three-parter. Primus gets the odd name-drop, and "By the Allspark" remains a popular Oh, My Gods! statement (no word on whether they mean a big box or where sparks end up.) but both concepts stay far offscreen. The Grand Finale movie Predacons Rising finally clarifies the status of the Allspark in this series by blending everything ever meant by the word Allspark into one. Primus exists but we also don't meet him. Vector Sigma exists, and was used to restore the Matrix of Leadership in season two. Still, the Allspark is mostly something Optimus has to get back to the core of Cybertron, while Unicron is alive, active, and trying to destroy all life and bring about a reign of chaos. (But as stated before, God showing up to save everyone is sort of a drama killer, so it's best if Primus keeps his hands out of things.)
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Devil, but No God / int_8601c91f	comment	Zig-zagged in Doom (2016) and Doom Eternal. The Slayer Testaments of 2016 talk about how the Doom Slayer received his enhanced speed and strength from a "Seraphim", and there's a tablet depicting an angelic-looking hooded figure watching him beat up on some demons. However, Eternal reveals that the closest thing to angels in Doom, the Maykrs of the realm of Urdak, are actually in cahoots with Hell in order to sustain their own civilization, with the Seraphim himself being a rogue Maykr. That said, it's also revealed that the Maykrs do have a progenitor they call "The Father", who is said to be the creator of all life in the universe, including Hell itself, but his time outside of the physical realm left the Maykrs to manipulate humans and many other species throughout the multiverse and lead to them developing their conceptions of heaven based on their manipulations.
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Devil, but No God / int_87e00d8e	comment	Trigon in Teen Titans (2003) is built up as the series' parallel to Satan in almost every way, but there doesn't seem to be a contrasting "God" figure at all.
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Devil, but No God / int_88233763	comment	In Book of Swords, set in the same world but centuries later, the situation is a little different. The gods we see the most of, Vulcan and Mars, are pretty malevolent, and none of the gods seems outright good, but, as Dame Yoldi points out, the creators of Townsaver cannot be all bad. The Emperor is genuinely good.
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Devil, but No God / int_8a581d4f	comment	Sort of an inversion in In China They Eat Dogs. After the climatic shoot-out at the end, God Himself shows up to collect the souls of the deceased and take them to Paradise. Satan, however, doesn't show up in flesh, but instead sends a lower-ranking devil as a representative to collect the souls headed for Hell.
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Devil, but No God / int_8a9dceb	comment	In Shadow Police, this is what the Smiling Man would like the heroes to believe (or, more specifically, that there is a Hell but no Heaven). Whether this is actually true, or just a ploy to cause them to give in to despair remains to be seen.
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Devil, but No God / int_8ba4613a	comment	In Death Note, the only supernatural beings are the Shinigami, who live by cutting the lives of humans short, and their world is a rather hellish place.
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Devil, but No God / int_8cdbeb34	comment	Inverted in Legion, in which people showing classic signs of demon possession (such as crawling on walls) are actually all possessed by angels, and not even fallen ones.
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Devil, but No God / int_8d817ccb	comment	On Lost both Jacob and MIB have been said to be the Devil, but neither has been said to be a god, though Jacob is described by Mark Pellegrino as a Jesus analogue.
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Devil, but No God / int_8e82c366	comment	In The Real Ghostbusters, the heroes have visited quite a few hellish dimensions and fought demons from them, but if a heavenly version of the afterlife exists, it has never been seen.
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Devil, but No God / int_8ee238c9	comment	Not technically God and Satan, but almost every Persona game has the main characters fight a very proactive Anthropomorphic Personification of a negative aspect of humanity (humanity's greed, humanity's desire to self harm, humanity's grief, humanity's dissatisfaction, humanity's apathy). Meanwhile, no Anthropomorphic Personification of the positive aspects of humanity show up to help out. There is one guy who represents a vague "best of humanity", but he is infuriatingly hands-off, and has only shown up in two games.
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Devil, but No God / int_90f42a9b	comment	In The Wheel of Time, the Dark One has hordes of evil creatures, Darkfriend spies infiltrating every level of society, and the Forsaken, and has been trying to destroy all of creation since the beginning of time. The Creator never makes any sort of appearance (except possibly as a mysterious voice in the first and last books); in a late book, Rand gives a mini-rant about how the Creator created their world and then went on to create countless more without care of whether individual worlds died out, though this is implied to have been influenced by his psychic link to Moridin. In His place are a variety of automatic error-correcting routines built into the Pattern, like creating/reincarnating ta'veren.
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Devil, but No God / int_959e6cb	comment	Dragon Quest IX: There was a God, but He was going to destroy the world due to its evil. His daughter intervened and turned herself into a tree until the humans showed enough benevolence to return her to her true form. Corvus, an angel who was betrayed by humans, went into Rage Against the Heavens mode when released by the hero and attacked Zenus, splitting Him into ten fragments that serve as Optional Bosses, some more self-aware than others.
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Devil, but No God / int_95bd5a8e	comment	Dishonored: The only divinity of any kind is the Outsider, an Enigmatic Empowering Entity who the Abbey teach is the root of all corruption and evil in the world. There is no mention of any Good Counterpart. The truth is that the Outsider is just an old, impartial observer who occasionally gifts downtrodden people with extraordinary power to see what they do with it. The vast majority of the villains in the games have no magical abilities whatsoever with the exception of Delilah whom the Outsider really regrets giving his gift to. In Dishonored: Death of the Outsider, it turns out that the Outsider was once just a random street rat who was murdered in a ritual that merged him with the Void and turned him into a god. The cult that did this wanted to put a face to the Void so that it could be controlled instead of being subject to its random fluctuations. The cult eventually evolved into the Abbey, scapegoating the Outsider despite knowing that he was never the ultimate evil.
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Devil, but No God / int_976efc02	comment	A MST3K film The Touch of Satan is pretty much this.
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Devil, but No God / int_9a450452	comment	By contrast to this, various devils often show up in the DC Universe, most notably Neron, whose shtick is making Deal With The Devil type bargains with unwitting mortals. Demons seem to pop up far more often in the series then their heavenly counterparts, even though some (like Etrigan) aren't all bad. Lucifer even had his own ongoing title under the Vertigo imprint.
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Devil, but No God / int_9d34190a	comment	The Elder Scrolls: This is prevalent in the religious conflicts between the worshipers of the Nine Divines and those of the Daedric Princes. The Church of the Nine Divines is more or less a Saintly Church, which has been uniformly benevolent throughout the series. However, the "Divines" they worship (also known as the Aedra, which means "our ancestors" in old Aldmeris) sacrificed much of their power during the creation of Mundus, the mortal plane. As a result it has left them much weaker than the Daedra ("not our ancestors") who made no sacrifices during creation. Preferring a much lighter touch when intervening on mortal affairs, many mortals question whether the Divines even exist. The Daedric Princes, while not universally evil (some are, in fact, quite benevolent, and all tend to hold up their end of a bargain), tend to be amoral, unpredictable, sadistic and, on occasion, prone to attempting world conquest. They are universally reviled as 'evil', and their worshipers are considered misguided at best, and dangerous lunatics at worst. They are, however, very much present in the world. They speak directly to their worshipers, sometimes even appearing in a physical form, and are perfectly willing to offer immediate, tangible rewards for those that choose to do their work. While the trope is played straight in the eyes of many denizens of Tamriel, the protagonist of each game tends to have the support the Divines in order to accomplish what they seek to do. Oblivion's Knights Of the Nine expansion and the main quest of Skyrim best exemplify this. During the Knights Of The Nine, when the Prophet of the Nine gives you a new ability, which he says comes from the god Talos, and will allow you to kill the Big Bad of the game's arc in the dimension he goes to get a new body. After the battle, you die too, only to come back after a few days. The only explanation anyone can offer is that the divines brought you back. You are the only one to directly benefit from divine interventions in game, apart from a major intervention in a spoiler below. In Skyrim, very early in the main quest, the PC is revealed to be a "Dragonborn", a rare mortal gifted with the soul of an immortal (Aedric) dragon by the draconic God of Time, Akatosh. The Dunmer (Dark Elves) have an interesting take on this. In general, they acknowledge that the Daedric Princes that they do revere - Azura, Boethiah, and Mephala - are actually ruthless, vicious and brutal entities; even Azura, the most benevolent of those Princes, still cursed the whole species for the actions of the Tribunal. At the same time, the Dunmer view everyone else, Aedra and Daedra alike, as either lying tricksters, ineffectually weak, or uselessly malicious. (By comparison, Boethiah and Mephala are usefully malicious, as they taught the Dunmer how to survive in a harsh environment through their maliciousness.) It's not really surprising that the only gods the Dunmer truly revered as benevolent were ALMSIVI, or the Tribunal, a trio of Physical Gods who were a major part of Dunmer culture from the mid-1st Era to end of the 3rd Era 4000 years later. All of whom are depowered and two of whom die as a result of the events of Morrowind. This is mentioned by the Oblivion NPC Else God Hater, a Daedra Lord worshiper. "The gods don't do a damn thing. Do they even exist? How could anyone tell? Daedra Lords, sure. They exist. They do things. Bad things, mostly, but things you can see. The gods? They don't do a damn thing. So why do we build big chapels and sit around and mumble, and ask them to save us from this and that? It's stupid. And chapels and priests and folks groveling on their knees, they're stupid, too." The court mage in Oblivion's Cheydinhal castle asks if you worship the Nine Divines, asking rhetorically if they've ever helped or harmed the PC. She states that were the hero to worship a daedra lord, they would get results. Bad ones, but measurable results. She then states that she considers worshiping gods a waste of time, though the daedra cult of Azura are a nice, reasonable bunch. Clouding these waters further is the presence of Lorkhan (aka Shor, Shezarr, etc,) the "dead" creator god of the mortal realm. According to virtually every creation myth (with a few variations,) he convinced/tricked the other divine pre-creation spirits into sacrificing part of their power to create the world. He was "killed" as a result, his "divine center" (heart) torn from his body and cast down in the world he helped to create. The moons are said to be his "rotting corpse" and his spirit is forced to wander Nirn, occasionally taking form as a "Shezarrine," great champions of mankind who usually show up to help in wars against the Elven races. So it's possible that rather than there being "Devils But No God," it could really be "Devils, weakened Angels, and a Dead God."
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Devil, but No God / int_9d7ec380	comment	The Good Place: For most of the first three seasons, there's lots of demons in the afterlife, though no angels or other good counterpart outside of one appearance on a single TV; at best, some of the demons become good. Even when angels start appearing, they have far less of a presence than the demons and are less effective overall. The Judge is more neutral. Right from the beginning, though, it's clear that there is a Good Place to go along with the Bad. It's unclear if God exists in this setting, though a Devil isn't mentioned either. Everything seems to be run by less powerful beings. By the end of the series, the trope is inverted; the Bad Place has been retooled into a Getting-Better Place where humans learn to become good enough to reach the Good Place, no matter how long it takes. It's still run by demons, but they've taken a liking to the change in pace.
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Devil, but No God / int_9db1766a	comment	This seems to be the case in the Devil May Cry series, featuring The Legions of Hell and their leader Mundus, but nothing supporting the existence of God. Similarly, angels have been mentioned in passing a few times, but Word of God later retconned their existence. Berial makes a subtle implication of God existing, when he talks about Sanctus and the Savior in disgust. Most of the religion in the Devil May Cry series revolves around worshiping demons that are friendly to humans, with Dante's father being a good demon messiah. Also, there are demons that appear to be angels. It seems as if in this universe, that instead of demons being fallen angels - angels are demons who fell up. However in a speech near the end of 4, Nero makes an explicit reference to God, and in Devil May Cry 5 references are made to William Blake, confirming that Christianity does indeed exist in the universe. How valid it is is left in question however, as according to Word of God there is no Heaven. DmC: Devil May Cry rebooted Dante into being a half-angel half-demon. The story tells us that at many points in Earth's history demons and angels went to war against each other, and Mundus has a pathological hatred for angels as a result of this rivalry. Sparda's decision to mate with Eva (who is an angel in this universe) made Mundus angry enough to exile Sparda to his eternal torment. Also, we're told that nephilim, a hybrid subspecies born of demons and angels, were so powerful that they endangered the supremacy of both sides — this being the one exception where demons and angels actually fought together against a common enemy. As for where God is in this picture is unclear, nor are we told why the angels seem okay with Mundus ruling over the Earth as an emperor in the shadows. God is mentioned in Devil May Cry: The Animated Series offhand. Issac, a man who frequents Dante's favorite diner, discovers Dante is a demon after spying on him for weeks. After Dante shows Issac that he's not a bad guy by saving his life, Issac asks Dante what he is, before realizing that sounds rude and dehumanizing and asks Dante who he is. Dante snidely throws it up in the air, saying that Issac should ask God.
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Devil, but No God / int_9e876c22	comment	Good Omens creates a world where Heaven and Hell are not the final arbiters of the supernatural; while the Forces of Evil appear to get a lot more face-time in the book, Heaven is represented only by the distant Metatron — explicity not God himself but "the voice of God, like a Presidential spokesman".note (A Genius Bonus applies: according to Christian mysticism and esoteric doctrine, the Metatron represents that part of the Second Person of God which did not incarnate on Earth as Jesus Christ, but remained in Heaven to keep the throne warm. Therefore the cold, chilly aspect with no empathy for human beings is completely in character, and Gaiman/Pratchett got to insert an aspect of Jesus without mentioning him, directly, once.). As the book develops, it is revealed that the ultimate truth is that a third force exists, the Ineffable, who stands behind Good and Evil and is very probably manipulating both agencies.
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Devil, but No God / int_9ee01750	comment	In The VVitch, the teachings of the Bible and prayers performed by the protagonists prove ineffective to repel the evil of the Witch haunting them. Meanwhile, Satan appears in various forms and successfully makes the Final Girl join his cult of witches.
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Devil, but No God / int_9f89a5f0	comment	Inverted in the PokÃ©mon series games and anime where there is a counterpart for God called Arceus, but there is no counterpart for the Devil. Played straight in the PokÃ©mon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers games however, where Arceus is nowhere to be seen, and that only one PokÃ©mon, Darkrai is the true evil one. There is one who carries a striking resemblance to good'ol Lucifer in its backstory. Giratina was one of the first PokÃ©mon Arceus created, along with Dialga and Palkia. While Dialga was given domain over time and Palkia over space, Giratina control matter and antimatter. However, while Dialga and Palkia were nice enough, Giratina had some bad behaviour, which led Arceus to exiling it to the Distortion Realm, the world opposite of ours. Giratina is the only living thing there, and has complete control over that realm.
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Devil, but No God / int_9fc7b88b	comment	A very odd example in Legend of the Three Caballeros. Donald Satan rules the Underworld, and while there are many benevolent or neutral deities around (such as the Roman gods, Xandra the goddess of adventure, Charon, the Sun and the Aztec incarnations of Life and Death) there is no judaeo-christian counterpart opposing him nor is there an alternate afterlife. Then again, the Underworld is actually pretty livable (murderous youkai aside), so this "Satan" is ironically more like Hades, making it a reverse Everybody Hates Hades.
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Devil, but No God / int_a00f43c0	comment	The Weirdness has the main character Billy who believes in the Devil (thanks to some low-key Mind Rape where the Devil forced him to believe), but still doesn't believe in God.
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Devil, but No God / int_a03824e8	comment	The voice of God has been heard in certain The DCU, usually talking to The Spectre, who works as its Agent of Vengeance. However it has never been actually seen, and only seems to interfere on VERY rare occasions, even when The DCU is threatened with destruction. DC has a God-surrogate called The Presence, and there are several other beings which are pretty God-like. For continuity purposes, these are sometimes explained as being various aspects of The Presence. The Voice (who talks to The Spectre) The Logos (a group of godlike beings that make up a sort of harmonious pantheon, also usually involved with The Spectre) The Source (the universal creative force, mostly appears in works related to Jack Kirby's Fourth World mythos) The Entity (the "white light of creation" from the Blackest Night arc) A JLA miniseries starring Zauriel the Angel climaxed with the rogue angel Asmodel storming the palace of God only to find it empty. Zauriel lectures Asmodel on the naivete of expecting God to be some mere corporeal form: God is everywhere and swiftly sends Asmodel to Hell. By contrast to this, various devils often show up in the DC Universe, most notably Neron, whose shtick is making Deal With The Devil type bargains with unwitting mortals. Demons seem to pop up far more often in the series then their heavenly counterparts, even though some (like Etrigan) aren't all bad. Lucifer even had his own ongoing title under the Vertigo imprint. In The Sandman (1989), we're introduced to Lucifer Morningstar and several other powerful demons preside over Hell. While there are also angels and we're offered a glimpse of Heaven, God is only briefly mentioned in passing. There are many deities and spirits from various mythologies represented in the series, but the Abrahamic God never makes an appearance. The climax of Lucifer, a spinoff of The Sandman (1989) and therefore technically connected The DCU, ultimately did show God and what happened to him: he ditched his creation millennia ago because he was unimpressed with how humanity was turning out. Lucifer ultimately has to convince God not to scrap the whole thing altogether.
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Devil, but No God / int_a134c04a	comment	The World of Darkness series did this twice over, as is to be expected: In the Old World of Darkness, there was Demon: The Fallen, where the titular fallen angels had finally escaped from millennia in the Pit, only to find that God and all Her angels had vanished during their imprisonment. Then again, so had Lucifer... In the New World of Darkness, there are demons that can be summoned and bound and which can make deals with mortals, and the books are very clear that where they come from is Hell. But there's no clear evidence of any benevolent deity in the driver's seat — the Lancea Sanctum only claims they got their Blood Magic from angels, the gods in the Oneiros are just reflections of mortal belief, the qashmallim are far from benevolent, fluffy-winged cherubs, and the God-Machine doesn't really care about people one way or the other, only how they can serve its inscrutable ends.
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Devil, but No God / int_a183d57f	comment	Futurama has a robot version of this. The robots make many references to Robot Hell (the Robot Devil is even a recurring character), whereas Robot Heaven only gets one sentence, and afterward is never mentioned again. Robot Jesus is also mentioned. Jewish Robots believe that he existed and that he was a very well-made robot, but he wasn't their Messiah. However, Bender interacted with a semi-corporeal space entity, which is strongly implied to be God - or, as Bender guesses and God seems to confirm, the result of God colliding with a space probe to become a kind of cyborg God. Its cameo in Bender's Big Score seems to suggest that some of its powers can be accessed without its awareness or consent by technological means, perhaps through its "space probe" half. This very entity directly TOLD Bender that it thinks that the best way to help people is to help them in a way that ensures they don't notice it. And given the strange prevalence of Contrived Coincidences working out in the heroes' favorâ€¦ The Second Coming of Christ apparently happened in 2443, although its only lasting effect seem to have been the destruction of most of the world's video tapes and that people now prefix the name Jesus with the word "Zombie". Bender did eventually visit Robot Heaven in a sixth-season episode and met Robot God (and told him to shut up). He only visits briefly as a Robot Ghost, so it's not clear if It's a physical or metaphysical place. Robot Hell, on the other hand, is in New Jersey.
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Devil, but No God / int_a5549ed0	comment	Thoroughly averted in The Bible, where Satan gets far less screen time than God. This trope is actually inverted in most of the Old Testament. Satan appears only in the First Book of Chronicles, Job, and Psalm 109. The serpent in the Garden of Eden is never stated to be Satan, nor is Satan physically described until the Book of Revelation, from the New Testament. Revelation and some of Paul's writings indicate the serpent is Satan, though it may not have been the view of Genesis' writers.
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Devil, but No God / int_a5b96841	comment	Mortasheen, as it usually does, does this in a weird way. There are no gods (unless you count The Ultimates), mainly because the creator, who said it himself is an "agnostic science nut". However, there are the equivalents to demons The Devilbirds, birds charged in the egg with negative psychic energy to cause and feed off of negative emotions. But, there are no angel equivalents. There were once when Mortasheen was still called Necromon, but the creator couldn't come up with any re-designs for them that he liked, so he scrapped them. Possibly inverted with the existence of Abathrael, a vaguely angelic entity that's treated as an Unknown type, follows Blue-and-Orange Morality, holds a decapitated human body inside itself, and seems to speak and behave like a computer program. It's not a traditional angel by any means, but the mystery surrounding it leaves it possible that it may be a genuine divine entity, by contrast, the Devilbirds are just psychic bioweapons named and themed after various sins.
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Devil, but No God / int_a698aa86	comment	Even present in Ghostbusters and its related media; while there's plenty of evil gods and lesser deities (like Gozer) running around, there's no indication of any good gods opposing them, so the Busters have to make do with science. Well, Marduk appeared in one episode of the cartoon, and was a depicted as a fairly benevolent "god of the city". He still needed the Ghostbusters' help to defeat his ancient enemy Tiamat, though. Also, in the original film there are hints by some characters that Gozer is the harbinger of the Biblical Apocalypse, and not just its own brand of doom. The ending of the second film implies the Busters might have something divine backing them up somehow; when Viggo's painting is destroyed, it's revealed that underneath it is a renaissance painting of the Ghostbusters portrayed as Saints.
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Devil, but No God / int_a6a7f785	comment	The main characters of Hell Girl are agents of Hell and their boss is a devil figure in the form of a spider. While Heaven exists in the setting, no divine forces are there to do anything about the constant deals with the devil damning sinner and innocent people alike to hell.
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Devil, but No God / int_a779f5fb	comment	Journey into Mystery (The Mighty Thor comic)note NOT the original comic that launched The Mighty Thor, but rather the mid 2010's comic which featured the Ensemble Dark Horse Loki gave us a council of those various hell lords like Nightmare, Satannish, and the Son-of-Satan-father Satan.note In the past he's claimed he just named himself after the biblical figure. The evil demonic beings meet up and all have their own throne. There is one empty in the middle, for the true Satan ruler of all hells. It has never been used, but they're all terrified to sit on it and "claim" it, not only for the competition from the other Hell Lords vying for it, but of the possibility that he might be real and come back.
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Devil, but No God / int_a78cc92f	comment	After the death of Jack Chick, author of the infamous Chick Tracts comic booklets, cartoonist George Pfromm posted a cartoon◊ where Jack Chick went to Hell for publishing his fundamentalist comics and is mocked by the Devil, who tells him that God doesn't exist and never did.
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Devil, but No God / int_a8150af4	comment	Subverted in The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. Eru Iluvatar is acknowledged in all but name by the In-Universe Satan, Sauron himself. Adar, another Dark Messiah figure, also mentions His existence.
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Devil, but No God / int_a8471b34	comment	Fear Effect: The games make it clear that there is a Chinese version of hell and a Chinese version of the Devil called The King Of Hell. However, there seems to be no heaven or God - unless the island where the Eight Immortals (who don't seem to do much of anything) live at counts.
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Devil, but No God / int_a9cb14fc	comment	Another example is Ravenloft and its spin-off Masque of the Red Death. The Ravenloft setting is ruled over by mysterious beings called the Dark Powers. While there are many religions in Ravenloft, the Dark Powers are possibly the only divine entities that both actually exist and have any influence. It is unclear if the Dark Powers actually are evil or are neutral beings with a twisted sense of justice but they are the creators of the setting and thus are directly or indirectly behind much of the suffering that happens there, as they reward and punish evil at the same time. Masque of the Red Death takes place on a twisted version of earth that is under the influence of a rogue Dark Power called the Red Death who is much more actively malicious.
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Devil, but No God / int_acf714da	comment	Technomancer by MK Gibson: Because God left and abandoned the world, demonkind is now ruler of creation. God's angels were left behind as well and did not take kindly to this.
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Devil, but No God / int_b0869b12	comment	In Ashes to Ashes (2008), the forces of evil are alive and well, and walking around in the form of Jim Keats, but even though Gene is the force behind Purgatory, he is never identified as "good", just the target of Keats's vengeance. There is a God. He just doesn't intervene much cos he's too busy being a barman.
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Devil, but No God / int_b32ce8cf	comment	Bedazzled (2000): Discussed and averted. The Devil gripes that any mortal who meets her always wants to ask if there's a God and what He's like. She wonders why meeting the actual Devil isn't interesting enough for them.
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Devil, but No God / int_b50cc7e6	comment	The Incredible Hulk: A good example is when an old flame allows Bruce Banner to see all his inner personalities (each a different Hulk), one of whom takes the form of a monstrous reptilian devil. Devil Hulk tells Bruce "There's a little bit of God and the Devil in everyone", but the comics have yet to get around to that God part. We do get to see that an incarnation of the Beast lives in Bruce's head as well. Another Hulk story offers a Double Subversion: Old Greenskin (who at the time had Bruce Banner's intellect) acted as best man at Rick Jones' wedding, and Mephisto crashed the party, claiming to have a lien on the bride's soul. He offered the Hulk a deal: His soul for hers. Banner thought it over, looked up at the sky, and sucker-punched the demon so completely that he flew right through the fire-circle wards he'd set up to keep the other superbeings in attendance from interfering. Sputtering, Mephisto screamed that what the Hulk had done was impossible (No mortal, however powerful, should be able to land a blow on a conceptual being without permission). Banner replied, (not an exact quote): "Weren't you listening to what the preacher said? We are gathered here in the sight of God! What, did you, of all beings, think that those were just words?" While Mephisto leaves the wedding seemingly defeated, his thoughts reveal that he took the beating on purpose to increase the Hulk's hubris. A few issues later, the Hulk's organisation, the Pantheon, went down in flames and Banner suffered a pretty bad nervous breakdown, ruining all of his work with Doc Samson.
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Devil, but No God / int_b6d7f4a8	comment	Celebrity Deathmatch: Satan and demons canonically exist, as do just about every supernatural creature imaginable, yet throughout the series God only ever appeared in a story Nick made up.
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Devil, but No God / int_b90b1e76	comment	Discussed but ultimately subverted in From Dusk Till Dawn. Jacob is a former preacher who lost his faith in God after his wife died, which is a bit of a problem when he, his kids, and everyone else around him is being attacked by vampires, who are extremely vulnerable to holy items that the survivors would have easy access to if they had a man of God with the strength of his convictions on their side. Seth fixes this problem by telling Jacob that, since the vampires are the spawn of Satan, then that must mean there's a Hell — which means that there must also be a Heaven and a God. This is all the convincing Jacob needs to go from a faithless preacher back to a "mean, motherfucking servant of God".
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Devil, but No God / int_b9c820be	comment	Defied at the end of Devil. The Devil occasionally comes to Earth and torments people, and there is no divine intervention. However, one character manages a Redemption Earns Life, and the narrator comments that if the Devil exists, God must exist too.
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Devil, but No God / int_ba63d0a9	comment	Oh, God!: The Almighty mentions the above film when testifying on Jerry's behalf:
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Devil, but No God / int_bac9d65e	comment	Noticeable in The Omen film series, where The Antichrist has an Ancient Conspiracy with unlimited resources at his beck and call, control over animals, seeming immortality, mind control powers, and hellhounds to kill whoever he wants, while the forces of good consist of a handful of priests who engage in You Have to Believe Me! before dying horribly, and nothing else.
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Devil, but No God / int_bb7177fa	comment	God is mentioned in Devil May Cry: The Animated Series offhand. Issac, a man who frequents Dante's favorite diner, discovers Dante is a demon after spying on him for weeks. After Dante shows Issac that he's not a bad guy by saving his life, Issac asks Dante what he is, before realizing that sounds rude and dehumanizing and asks Dante who he is. Dante snidely throws it up in the air, saying that Issac should ask God.
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Devil, but No God / int_bc3e398b	comment	In the Season 2 finale of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Sarah Connor mentions that she doesn't know if there's a God or not, but she knows there is an evil omnipresent entity that wants the world to burn (referring to SKYNET). The episode also reveals that much of the show's Myth Arc involves an attempt to build a machine "God" to oppose SKYNET.
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Devil, but No God / int_bcadd7cb	comment	Warhammer 40,000 takes this to an extreme. The Chaos Gods are the sentient manifestations of the negative emotions of the galaxy (as well as the positive ones warped into the most extreme and twisted manner possible), but there is a distinct lack of any positive alternatives. Even the surviving gods of the non-chaos factions tend to be genocidal jerkasses, and the worst gods are the C'Tan, who are trying to exterminate every living thing in the universe then eat their souls afterward (and one of them is possibly the god of an Imperial faction, though they don't know it). Based on information from The Other Wiki, there may be two surviving non-evil gods... one is implied to be a C'tan (and therefore is one of the omnicidal gods out to eat souls though in fairness, it may be due to their trickster natures, so it would be unsurprising that the two are separate entities that impersonate each other), and the other is being tortured by Nurgle (who is, incidentally, one of the more likeable deities). It has been hinted that the Eldar are slowly bringing about the birth of a new god which may be able to destroy Chaos (although it has been suggested that the birth of this god would require the death of every last Eldar). As for humanity, every positive emotion which could lead to the creation of a benevolent Warp entity is focused squarely on the Emperor, whose dying physical body is hooked up to an enormous life support machine. It's implied that if the Emperor were ever allowed to die, he would ascend to true godhood and be able to fight Chaos directly. Unfortunately, the loss of the Emperor from the physical world would be an unsustainable disaster for the Imperium: his psychic strength controls the Astronomican, a massive navigational beacon made of psychic energy, without which Warp travel would be practically impossible. The Living Saints may serve as angelic counterparts to daemons, being powered by faith and mental discipline where daemons are fueled by negative emotions and desires (daemons of Law, if you will- which would make the Emperor a Law God, but that's beside the point). But they've never gotten as much attention as the Chaos Gods and has little fluff, and unlike the forces of Chaos they don't seem to have any domain in the Warp.
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Devil, but No God / int_bcb03d22	comment	In Hazbin Hotel, there's no mention of God as it's shown that the seraphim control Heaven and created the universe. Lucifer also never tried to usurp His throne, but was damned for daring to give mankind free will. It's also shown that without a God to keep them in line, the angels are massive jerks little better than the demons. In the Spin-Off Helluva Boss, His absence is lampshaded when Villain Protagonist Blitzo sarcastically comments "I guess there is a God" in the pilot.
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Devil, but No God / int_bcdcf629	comment	Transformers: Animated as well. Character designer (and fellow fan) Derrick Wyatt has stated many times that Primus is not in the Animated universe, but Unicron might exist, albeit simply as a mechanical Eldritch Abomination rather than an actual god. In the end, we saw neither.
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Devil, but No God / int_bd5e4297	comment	Lucifer is present in The Wicked + The Divine, but there's no mention of any Abrahamic God. Then again, we only see one representative from each mythology in every Recurrence, so they may exist and simply not have appeared in this time.
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Devil, but No God / int_bd9edbdd	comment	The ending of the second film implies the Busters might have something divine backing them up somehow; when Viggo's painting is destroyed, it's revealed that underneath it is a renaissance painting of the Ghostbusters portrayed as Saints.
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Devil, but No God / int_bdaadeed	comment	Onimusha: With the Genma running rampart in the world and especially Japan, it might make you think just where the hell are the good deities like Amaterasu to protect mankind. The answer: She didn't exist in this verse. The world wasn't created due to Izanagi and Izanami shaping it and then forming the Shinto Pantheon, but Fortinbras, the creator of Genma just popped up out of the primordial chaos, sired the Genma race and then was in need of a Slave Race for his race to consume... so he made mankind for that purpose. So he's basically an example of God Is Evil that acts more like a Devil thanks to his legions of demons and making no pretenses of being angelic, with the exception of his title being God of Light.
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Devil, but No God / int_c0fc0cca	comment	Inverted in The Simpsons Game, where we don't see the Devil but play DanceDanceRevolution against God.
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Devil, but No God / int_c43df4d8	comment	Doctor Who: In "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit", the Doctor faces off against the Beast, an Eldritch Abomination which claims to be Satan. Although no counterpart good entities appear, the Beast makes references to God, and a group called the Disciples of the Light who were responsible for imprisoning him in the first place.
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Devil, but No God / int_c74f2d3c	comment	Diablo and Diablo II. Deckard Cain mentions Hell is always bent on destruction (with Diablo as the Big Bad) but Heaven seems unfathomable (although there are angels). The High Heavens and Burning Hells wage an eternal battle of good vs evil, and while there are no perfectly symmetrical counterparts to the Prime Evils, the Angiris Council is good enough. The forces of good (very strong ones, at that) are definitely present in the Diablo universe, they're just not shown that much because they prefer not to directly meddle in human affairs, Tyrael being the obvious exception. The cosmology of the Diablo series is a combination of this trope and God and Satan Are Both Jerks. During the time period of the games, demons are much more active and influential on the world, but according to the storyline, neither of them care about humans and their world, except as a pawn or stepping stone in the war between Heaven and Hell. Angels at one point considered wiping out humanity themselves, and it was only Tyrael's intervention that prevented it.
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Devil, but No God / int_cd899ed6	comment	The Grand Finale movie Predacons Rising finally clarifies the status of the Allspark in this series by blending everything ever meant by the word Allspark into one. Primus exists but we also don't meet him. Vector Sigma exists, and was used to restore the Matrix of Leadership in season two. Still, the Allspark is mostly something Optimus has to get back to the core of Cybertron, while Unicron is alive, active, and trying to destroy all life and bring about a reign of chaos. (But as stated before, God showing up to save everyone is sort of a drama killer, so it's best if Primus keeps his hands out of things.)
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Devil, but No God / int_d11c45fe	comment	Implied in Jasper in Deadland: Lucifer is a minor antagonist, and he mentions that he used to be an angel. However, he is the only character from Abrahamic religions, as the other characters are all from Egyptian, Roman and Norse myths.
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Devil, but No God / int_d14c3aa1	comment	Also, in the original film there are hints by some characters that Gozer is the harbinger of the Biblical Apocalypse, and not just its own brand of doom.
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Devil, but No God / int_d3b17858	comment	Final Fantasy Tactics is very heavy on religious warfare and involves a Dark Messiah using Demonic Possession to come back from the dead. Um, isn't God a little worried about this? If you look at the extended backstory brought on by FFXII, the Ivalice gods are monstrous jerks of the highest caliber (really, the Greek gods would be proud) and the assuming the Espers are the Lucavi and don't just have the same names, they actually come across as sympathetic. It's more a case of bad God, good Devil here. Also, Altima/Ultima is not a Lucavi - she's a head Angel who used to be under the Gods' direct service, but more or less told them to go to hell after realizing just how badly they treated the Lucavi and took up their cause. Of course any sympathy the Espers have lose it all in FFT where they're perfectly willing to have humans murdered by the tens of thousands just to resurrect Ultima.
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Devil, but No God / int_d4e47577	comment	DoomÂ³: The game has the main character face demonic forced without any help from divine forces (which aren't said to exist anyway), unless you count the Soul Cube used by the Martians as a holy weapon. It is stated multiple times in no uncertain terms that the demons are demons, while the previous games left some reasonable doubt that they might just be weird-looking aliens from our dimension (which is what the novels went with). The ending of Resurrection of Evil at least implies that Heaven exists, but the whole thing is still vague.
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Devil, but No God / int_d5c2a7a3	comment	In the Thief series, the Trickster, the Pagan god, is very much real and plays an active part in the goings on of the physical world, while there is never any indication that his opposite number, the Builder (sort of a more technology-inclined version of the Christian idea of God), is anything more than a religious construct.
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Devil, but No God / int_d7217e8	comment	The climax of Lucifer, a spinoff of The Sandman (1989) and therefore technically connected The DCU, ultimately did show God and what happened to him: he ditched his creation millennia ago because he was unimpressed with how humanity was turning out. Lucifer ultimately has to convince God not to scrap the whole thing altogether.
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Devil, but No God / int_d7c4626a	comment	In The Sandman (1989), we're introduced to Lucifer Morningstar and several other powerful demons preside over Hell. While there are also angels and we're offered a glimpse of Heaven, God is only briefly mentioned in passing. There are many deities and spirits from various mythologies represented in the series, but the Abrahamic God never makes an appearance.
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Devil, but No God / int_d7e7ca08	comment	The Icemark Chronicles by Stuart Hill has a being called 'Cronus'.
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Devil, but No God / int_d9c602eb	comment	God makes only a few appearances in South Park while Satan certainly has far more. In fact, everyone who isn't Mormon goes to hell. This was changed in "Best Friends Forever" where the angels admitted that they needed to have non-mormons in heaven due to a general shortage of people to fight the devil. God and Satan are on rather good speaking terms, and, despite all the fire and brimstone, hell is actually a pretty civil place. God and heaven aren't at all absent, they're just not as interesting.
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Devil, but No God / int_da841fbe	comment	K. J. Parker's The Scavenger Trilogy is set in a world where the god Poldarn may be very real and active. Poldarn is the very spirit of death, failure, destruction and folly. When Poldarn creates, you won't like what he makes. There is no sign of a more hopeful god.
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Devil, but No God / int_dadc7461	comment	In Mace: The Dark Age, its stated that God has pretty much abandoned Earth because of the Covenant of the Seven's actions who made a deal with the demon Asmodeus to engulf the world in a perpetual dark age. It doesn't help that neither Christianity or Islam exist in this world and both Europe and the Middle-East are highly fragmented between pagan warlords while the world is going to crap.
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Devil, but No God / int_dc68d4b1	comment	This is the leitmotif of 616, which reveals there are good reasons for this to happen: Satan actually won the War in Heaven and is only letting us think otherwise for fun.
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Devil, but No God / int_dc72c82f	comment	Explicitly pointed out in Fallen London. When London was dragged a mile belowground it came into proximity with Hell, which exports Nevercold Brass in exchange for souls. There's no word on Satan, but there are devils aplenty, charming their way amongst society. Parts of the Church want to go to war against Hell - they did it once before and were crushed, but the devils were amused. They might not be amused again, but some of the clergy wonder. The truth is that Fallen London's world is fundamentally eldritch, just people try to make sense of it according to their cultural background. So for a Victorian era English person a charming and soul stealing being must be a Devil... the analogy breaks down when you learn that they are alien space bees from the land of dreams.
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Devil, but No God / int_e0471d3b	comment	Commented in Patrick Graham's The Gospel of Evil, where Carzo speculated they (the heroes of the book) are God's way to intervene. Played otherwise quite straight.
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Devil, but No God / int_e214a513	comment	Anastasia: Grigori Rasputin makes a pact with the dark forces of hell, but there's never any appearance or mention of any light forces of heaven. For all anyone knows, a typical animated princess musical could be set in a really crappy, even darker fantasy world than it looks.
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Devil, but No God / int_e22c949c	comment	Dragon Quest: Played with in Dragon Quest VII. The final battle between God and the Demon Lord ended with both MIA, but most of the world was still sealed away by evil, so that only a single island remains intact when the game begins. As you progress, the question of whether or not the Demon Lord won is repeatedly raised. Oh, sure, it looks like God planned for this by setting up a ritual to reawaken him... But when the ritual's performed, the 'God' who's summoned ain't the nicest guy around. Then post game where you do find the real God who is considerably more benevolent, it also turns out he decided to let humanity sort out the Demon Lord and restore the sealed world themselves while he just watched, wanting to make sure humans could stand on their feet without his aid. Dragon Quest IX: There was a God, but He was going to destroy the world due to its evil. His daughter intervened and turned herself into a tree until the humans showed enough benevolence to return her to her true form. Corvus, an angel who was betrayed by humans, went into Rage Against the Heavens mode when released by the hero and attacked Zenus, splitting Him into ten fragments that serve as Optional Bosses, some more self-aware than others.
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Devil, but No God / int_e2bb8bee	comment	The Cosmere (and other Brandon Sanderson works): This is subverted in the setting as a whole. There are 16 Shards which are basically gods that came into existence after the one big God was broken apart. They are not technically good or evil, although some of them certainly come across that way. A planet with only one Shard in residence might still find this applies if it's one of the nastier ones like Ruin or Odium. Played with in Mistborn. Ruin is the only active deity at the time of the trilogy. It is some what subverted when it becomes apparent that Ruin does have an opposite, Preservation, but it is either dead or dying. Of course it turns out that Preservation's plan was still playing out, eventually defeating Ruin (and reuniting the two Shards). The Stormlight Archive: The Alethi both pray to the Almighty, and believe that after death they go to a Valhalla style battlefield to reclaim the Heavens from the voidbringers. However by the end of the first book, Dalinar's visions reveal that Honor, who was protecting Roshar is dead. In the Second book Odium, who killed Honor, comes back to destroy humanity, which seems to make this trope apply. A third Shard, Cultivation, is also mentioned at various times throughout the books, but isn't directly worshiped and seems to be relatively neutral compared to the other two, until the Third book, when her intervention helps thwart Odium's plans and save Dalinar. The Reckoners Trilogy has an interesting variant: Humans have started spontaneously developing comic-book-esque superpowers, but every single "Epic" is utterly evil. It turns out being even more direct, as Calamity, the being responsible for giving Epics their powers absolutely hates humanity.
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Devil, but No God / int_e5965aff	comment	Chill is about the players belonging to a secret society that investigates and hunts down monsters, who it believes come from some singular evil source. There is no such thing as a good supernatural being in its setting, or any evidence of benevolent supernatural powers. The players are able to tap the same supernatural energies for more benign effects, but using it too much can lead to agents falling to The Dark Side.
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Devil, but No God / int_e5d5d23c	comment	The original Doom games play this straight. It seems the only force of Good in the verse is our hero Doomguy, the Berserker Packin' man-and-a-half who takes on the hordes of Hell with his trusty shotgun (and chainsaw). That turns out to be enough, but still. Interestingly enough, the novels' interpretation of the Doomguy is a devout Catholic regardless.
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Devil, but No God / int_e66a25a9	comment	Inverted in Rifts. The Sourcebook Pantheons of the Megaverse gives advice on how a GM could portray an omniscient, omnipotent God. However, there's nothing in any of the books about the Devil, despite there being an entire dimension populated by evil creatures called Devils.
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Devil, but No God / int_e72137be	comment	In the Castlevania-inspired Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night, Dominique Baldwin explains why she became the Big Bad of the game: the incident ten years ago unleashed demons upon the countryside and harmed the people, and God did nothing to stop it. Thus, she decided to stop devoting her life to such an irrelevant force and instead sought power from the supernatural beings that were actually around. Eventually subverted when Dominque affirms God's existence and her belief in Him, because she intends to try and dethrone Him.
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Devil, but No God / int_ead7c180	comment	The Hollows series by Kim Harrison is downright painful in this regard. It contains A) demons (who are explained to be powerful beings from another world) and B) vampires who are often explicitly dead humans without souls. Neither of these creatures can enter hallowed ground. Some characters, particularly demons, practice black magic which leaves a mark of "imbalance" on their aura (unless they fob it off on someone else). Yet who the ground is holy to, with whom one would settle the imbalance, and what one does with a soul is never explained.
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Devil, but No God / int_eb175449	comment	Played with in Mistborn. Ruin is the only active deity at the time of the trilogy. It is some what subverted when it becomes apparent that Ruin does have an opposite, Preservation, but it is either dead or dying. Of course it turns out that Preservation's plan was still playing out, eventually defeating Ruin (and reuniting the two Shards).
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Devil, but No God / int_ede55421	comment	The Ancient Gods DLC for Doom Eternal reveals the truth: God and the Devil are one and the same... the Father BECAME the Dark Lord of Hell after the Maykrs betrayed him. The being calling itself the Father through the first DLC is a usurper and a fake, being just a particularly powerful Maykr himself.
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Devil, but No God / int_ef9789a1	comment	In Krampus, the titular demon freely terrorizes Max and his family, but Father Christmas is nowhere to be seen. This may be because this version of Krampus targets those who have lost their faith in Christmas. Hence, if nobody has faith, then Santa will not come, but Krampus will. Basically, "Krampus, but No Santa".
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Devil, but No God / int_f00d733b	comment	In the New World of Darkness, there are demons that can be summoned and bound and which can make deals with mortals, and the books are very clear that where they come from is Hell. But there's no clear evidence of any benevolent deity in the driver's seat — the Lancea Sanctum only claims they got their Blood Magic from angels, the gods in the Oneiros are just reflections of mortal belief, the qashmallim are far from benevolent, fluffy-winged cherubs, and the God-Machine doesn't really care about people one way or the other, only how they can serve its inscrutable ends.
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Devil, but No God / int_f06707a7	comment	While the Creator exists, is good, and wants to help in The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, he exists outside of the universe of the Land and cannot interfere directly without causing the end of the world. Lord Foul, on the other hand is trapped inside the same universe which is not a good thing for anyone sharing the place with him. However, Covenant's initial appearance in The Land appears to have been the Creator's doing; a plan to circumvent the whole causing the end of the world thing, that hinged on using free will as a means to achieve something greater than could be achieved through either direct intervention or use of a tool of some sort. Just how well this has worked is somewhat up in the air, but the Gambit does appear to still be playing itself out.
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Devil, but No God / int_f2041376	comment	In Charmed (1998), the Devil ("the Source", short for "Source of All Evil") appears in several successive versions, but the show is maddeningly vague about who or what is in charge of "up there". The "Whitelighters" answer to "the Elders", but who do THEY answer to? Blank-out. The Elders seem to be the highest authority for the side of good, considering they were the ones who released the power of the Gods onto the mortals. Even so, they never actually do anything, except make things even more difficult for the main characters.
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Devil, but No God / int_f3368832	comment	The status of God in the Buffyverse is very suspect. The series has "The Powers That Be", supposedly forces that fight for good, but the show is vague on what exactly they are. They also seem to do little to help the heroes, sending visions that let them know when people are in trouble and have been implied to have directly helped them a few times, but they're often nowhere to be seen when the shit really hits the fan — and the few beings said to work for them are often uninterested and unsympathetic to the heroes' plights. They are even referred to by the heroes as "The Powers that Screw You" and "The Powers that Sit on Their Behinds". On the evil side, the series has the Senior Partners, ascended demons who work through the interdimensional law firm Wolfram & Hart, who are shown to be VERY active in spreading evil and contributing to humanity's eventual downfall. The show's background has the Earth previously ruled by demonic gods millennia ago and Buffy's last season saw the heroes fighting the personification of evil, neither of which seem to have a good equivalent. In addition, at one point in the series a vampire in the series asks Buffy if God exists, and she responds "Nothing solid". This is all countered to an extent by the fact that Buffy was resurrected from a place of perfection and peace, that she is pretty sure was heaven. But whether the existence of an afterlife implies the existence of a god is another debate. Also, for all the demons in the series, there's not one angel. At least until they start showing up in the Angel comics post-After The Fall, and most of them turn out to be Lawful Stupid. Though not all the demons are bad — several characters make references to the existence of peaceful demon races, and Whistler, Clem, Lorne and Doyle are all demons or half-demons who allied with the heroes at one time or another. Still, the current evidence suggests that the most powerful terrestrial force for good in the Buffyverse is the Slayer. This is almost certainly true after the events of the Buffy finale. It's worth noticing that at least some Graeco-Roman and Egyptian deities exist in some form in the Buffyverse, with appeal to Hecate, Janus and Osiris resulting in, variously, transformation into a rat, everybody transforming into their costumes, and resurrection. These may just be sufficiently advanced demons. Glory is also referred to as a God, though one of the evil ones. Crosses are symbolic of crucifixion and holy water is holy because it has been blessed by a priest; neither are magic or supernatural in and of themselves, yet they are harmful to vampires. This doesn't prove the existence of God, but suggests there has to be some kind of unquantifiable force that imbues these objects with their powers. Word of God though says that Christians were simply the religion most dedicated to hunting vampires/demons and therefore used things harmful to demons as their holy symbols.
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Devil, but No God / int_f64ceaf2	comment	Inverted and played with in the creepypasta "The Heaven Project". According to the "angels", Hell is not a real thing, and there is a "God" seen, but no mention of the other guy, which is rather unfortunate as Heaven is... not exactly all it's cracked up to be.
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Devil, but No God / int_f74b5f80	comment	Babylon 5: The Shadows are almost a Shout-Out to the devil, but they don't really have a good counterpart. The Vorlons are the good equivalent as Kosh appears as the epitome of each race's archangel when he left his suit at that one time. The thing is Vorlons and Shadows try to play the Good/Evil axis, but are really templers of the Order/Chaos axis. In Season Four, it's revealed that the Vorlons aren't the good guys, they're almost as bad as the Shadows, and they only appear to be angels because they genetically and telepathically manipulated the younger races. When their true form is finally revealed, they're clearly Starfish Aliens. Even Lorien, the oldest and most powerful being in the galaxy doesn't claim to have any authority over the younger races and describes his role as that of teacher and guide, as the Vorlons and Shadows were meant to be. He refers to the universe itself as the creator of life, possibly with an unfathomable will of its own.
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Devil, but No God / int_f891a20d	comment	Terraria has a definite Hell/Underworld at the bottom of the map, populated by demons, devils, voodoo magic, and the tormented soul that can eventually become the Tax Collector NPC. However, it has no angelic counterpart. The closest things are the Hallow, which is more fairy tale-esque than angelic and a dangerous force on its own right; and the Floating Islands, which are more sky-themed than heaven-themed and have harpies and wyverns instead of angels. Statues of various things can summon their likeness if hooked up; there are statues of angels, but they do not do anything, which is a Running Gag in the game. The only known deity is the Torch God, who is The Ghost and does not do anything at all unless too many torches are put underground.
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Devil, but No God / int_f9e1ded2	comment	In The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, the Devil is the Doctor's Friendly Enemy, but God is nowhere to be found (unless the Wild Mass Guessing about Percy is accurate).
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Devil, but No God / int_fbf8acc	comment	The Cabin in the Woods: The Ancient Ones are the only divine beings shown; there is apparently no good force capable of preventing them from causing The End of the World as We Know It if they choose to do so.
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Devil, but No God / int_fe6dcd31	comment	Most of the core D&D settings were actually extremely focused on the issue of balancing out the various alignments. Greyhawk, Dragonlance and the Forgotten Realms all played heavily around the idea of Good/Neutral/Evil deities and other-planar beings. However, it was Planescape that really took the cake, as it had the concept that real estate on the alignment-based Outer Planes could be moved around based on the nature of the residents. This served to explain why gods were often too busy to meddle more in affairs on the Prime Material Plane. It also explained cosmic conflicts like the Blood War, which was really all the fiends fighting each other to absorb each other's planes and thus create a single "Hell". More often than not, the powers of Good just egged them on because it kept the fiends occupied.
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Clive Barker's Next Testament (Comic Book) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Preacher (Comic Book) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Requiem Vampire Knight (Comic Book) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Incredible Hulk (1968) (Comic Book) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Wicked + The Divine (Comic Book) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Warrior Nun Areala (Comic Book) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Marvel Universe Vs. The Punisher / Comicbook / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
TheEdEddNEddyProject	seeAlso	Devil, but No God
The Lone Traveler / Fan Fic / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Return / Fan Fic / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Code Prime (Fanfic) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
A Chinese Ghost Story / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Angel Heart (1987) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Bedazzled (2000) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Bill & Ted Face the Music / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Black Butler / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Devil / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Eli / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Errementari / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Fallen / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
From Dusk Till Dawn / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Saint Maud / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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The Cabin in the Woods / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Cleansing Hour / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Exorcist / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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The Masque of the Red Death / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Reaping / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Baltimore / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Between Two Fires / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Beyond Reality / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Redwall / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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The Cinder Spires / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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The Hollows / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Licanius Trilogy / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Mysterious Stranger / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Quintessential Mary-Sue / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Our Monsters Are Insufficiently Different	seeAlso	Devil, but No God
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Chainsaw Man (Manga) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Bone Machine (Music) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Lexx / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Lucky Louie / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Reaper / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Good Place / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Magicians (2016) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Greyhawk (Tabletop Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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In Nomine (Tabletop Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Infernum (Tabletop Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Pathfinder (Tabletop Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
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Sera Myu (Theatre) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The History of the Devil (Theatre) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Arcane – Online Mystery Serial (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Crystar (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Darkest Dungeon (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Devil May Cry (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Diablo (1997) (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Dishonored (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
DmC: Devil May Cry (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Doom (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Doom (2016) (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
DoomÂ³ (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Doom Eternal (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Dwarf Fortress (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Evolve Idle (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Exmortis (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Fable (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Fallen London (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Grandia II (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Infernax (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Lufia (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Motherload (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Phantasy Star IV (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Poacher (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Pyre (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Samurai Shodown (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Sang-Froid: Tales of Werewolves (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Song of Horror (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Way (RPG Maker) (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Thief (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Thief: The Dark Project (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Weaponlord (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Angel Hare (Web Animation) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Satina (Web Animation) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Angel Hare (Web Video) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Mind My Gap (Web Video) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Villain Wars (Web Video) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Gods of Arr-Kelaan (Webcomic) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Beowulf (2007) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Castlevania (2017) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
DC Animated Movie Universe / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Hazbin Hotel / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Legend of the Three Caballeros / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Cuphead Show! / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Ghost and Molly McGee / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
The Real Ghostbusters / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Hell Girl / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Chrono Crusade (Manga) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Being Human (UK) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God
Onimusha (Video Game) / int_59fe174d	type	Devil, but No God

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