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Doomed Moral Victor

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Doomed Moral Victor	comment	A villain, often an Evil Overlord with 0% Approval Rating, harms the hero or their people who are not nearly as high ranking and powerful. Despite being hopelessly outmatched, the brave hero strikes back and wins some battles through cleverness, willpower, and sheer charisma. Ultimately though, our hero gets the worst of it in a very nasty way and finally bites the dust, Defiant to the End, with fighting spirit and charisma intact, if nothing else. The hero will show this through shouting or growling a lofty "Facing the Bullets" One-Liner or by dying calmly and full of dignity. In fact, the moment itself can be a Moment of Awesome in the hands of the right sort of hero. A cynical viewer may wonder why the hero dying a miserable death after losing everything they ever had would encourage anyone to get on this villain's bad side, but the oppressed masses are animated by the notion that no matter how intimidating the opponent is, it's still possible to resist. These rebels sometimes lose too, which makes them all Doomed Moral Victors. Either that or a lot of people just liked this person, and now they're really pissed. There's also You Cannot Kill An Idea; true, the hero themselves might be dead, but the brave and inspirational way they met their end will ensure their example and ideas will continue to be passed on to others. Not to mention that the hero will be reunited with their loved ones in the afterlife (provided the setting has one, of course), while the villain will never see them again. This is heavily reliant on, as J. R. R. Tolkien called it, the "Theory of Courage," the idea present in older iterations of Norse Mythology that despite the foreknowledge or likelihood of failure, one must press on to do the moral thing for no better reason than the fact that you should. A non-violent Doomed Moral Victor is someone who does Turn the Other Cheek and gets killed for it. See Tragic Hero for a failing hero whose fate is their own fault. Inspirational Martyr is a subtrope - they aren't just doomed moral victors, they also swerve people to their cause. Contrast Tragic Dream, which in this case would mean that the DMV simply can never get the people on his side for one reason or another. When this trope is defied by the villain, see Don't Create a Martyr. See also Determined Defeatist, As Long as There Is One Man, My Death Is Just the Beginning, Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, Last Stand and Defiant Stone Throw. Often relies on inspiring Sympathy for the Hero. As this is sometimes a Death Trope, unmarked spoilers abound. Beware.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_10bc0a19	comment	Parodied in the book Night Watch, where rebels (somewhat based upon La RÃ©sistance in Les MisÃ©rables) use as their slogan something like "you may kill us, but you'll never take our freedom", which Pratchett notes that the villains consider the stupidest slogan they've ever heard. Ultimately, the book does present the rebels as a somewhat straight example of doomed moral victors, given that the evil ruler is assassinated and his forces are defeated, but this is tempered by the fact that his seemingly benevolent successor ends up being even worse. The entire fight is pointless anyway, the plot to assassinate Lord Winder was around since before La RÃ©sistance and occurs identically in both time lines, despite the pivotal (and only) battle going the opposite way.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_10ddd3d5	comment	The Hyrulean soldiers who are cut down by the invading Zant and his Twilit monsters, in the explanatory cut scenes of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. The massacre is stopped only by Princess Zelda surrendering to spare their lives.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_11366f17	comment	Gorath from Betrayal at Krondor becomes a shining example of cooperation and friendship with humans as well as acting at personal expense for the good of your people, and favoring mercy over a thirst for vengeance. That last one dooms him - he chooses to spare his Arch-Enemy Delekhan and shortly dies stopping him from activating the Lifestone. Unfortunately, the top-secret circumstances and the discontinued nature of that plot line prevent him from influencing his people or his friends in the martyr fashion typical of this trope.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_13bb4300	comment	In The Wicker Man (1973), Howie is in the end sacrificed by the pagan islanders to bring about the harvest next season. Before he goes, however, he warns their leader that if the crop fails (and it likely will because fruit was never meant to grow in the island's frigid Scottish climate) then the islanders will have no choice but to sacrifice him next. After all, he may not believe that the appeasement of Celtic deities leads to bountiful harvests, but he has convinced the islanders that it does.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_1db412d3	comment	Mistborn has a couple of cases. First the Skaa rebellion, which is purposefully trying to invoke this trope to inspire the masses to revolt, and second, Kelsier who was also intentionally invoking this trope, but had a better plan for it. Somewhat subverted, given that Kelsier's plan to overthrow the empire actually succeeds Except that the plan doesn't succeed because of Kelsier's actions, because Kelsier vastly underestimated the power the Lord Ruler wielded. While he accepted the Lord Ruler was powerful enough to kill him (which is what he planned), he didn't realise (because the Lord Ruler had kept the true extent of his powers a secret) that The Lord Ruler was somewhat justified in claiming to be a God - the Skaa rebellion didn't faze him because if he wanted to, he could kill all of them without any difficulty. It only succeeds because Vin realises his one weakness (ironically through the use of a metal which Kelsier had told them, lying, was the secret to beating the Lord Ruler, in order to give them hope) and exploits it to kill him.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_1e5c0818	comment	Played with in The Red and the Black as the reader is meant to see the Anti-Hero as this when he is able to happily go to the guillotine after finally renouncing his Holier Than Thou persona and religion in general, and being authentic for the first time, despite the fact that society as a whole likely views him as scum. Likewise, the death of Meursault in The Stranger, which was inspired by the above.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_2073eb8a	comment	TRON: Uprising: We know from seeing the Crapsack World that is TRON: Legacy that Beck's rebellion doesn't do squat against Clu, that Big Good Tron is Reforged into a Minion, and that even their equivalent of God is a broken coward beaten back into exile. The series "cheerfully" reminds us of this by making the latter half of it a study in Cerebus Syndrome, with torture, Mind Rape, and killing off several of Beck's allies. The season (series?) finale? Clu sends in a massive invasion fleet to level Argon City and the rebels with it.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_2754c6fb	comment	Timeline-191: Cassius (the setting's analogue for Vladimir Lenin) ultimately fails to bring about the black revolution he'd hoped for, and the Congaree Socialist Republic is crushed by the weight of the Confederate Army. However, the blow he struck against the Confederacy ensures that they lose WWI to the Union, and years later, Cassius's namesake, Cassius Madison, becomes the one to kill Confederate President Jake Featherston, ending the CSA's oppression of its black population and ensuring that newly Re-United States will grant blacks equal rights.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_2ad4ca99	comment	The David Byrne and Fatboy Slim album Here Lies Love portrays Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino this way in "Seven Years" and "Why Don't You Love Me?". Ninoy, opponent of the Philippines' president Ferdinand Marcos, declines an offer to remain safe in the US. He returns to the Philippines, and President Marcos assassinates him. However, this "triggers the collapse of the whole house of cards"—Ferdinand loses his office, and the whole family flees the country.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_2cad5559	comment	Caging Skies: Roswita, the mother of the Nazi Protagonist, is hanged for being a part of The Resistance of Nazi Germany. Made even more heartbreaking in the film, where her 10-year-old son finds her hanged corpse in the public street.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_2da80bd2	comment	Wolf Hall Thomas More's refusal to sign the Oath of Supremacy that recognizes Henry VIII as the head of the church in England. Thomas Cromwell, the protagonist, is not at all impressed and grumbles that More is deliberately trying to go down as a martyr just to make them look bad. James Bainham is a Composite Character of three Protestants who were burned at the stake. Even after being tortured into recantation, he goes back into church to read aloud from Tyndale's English translation of the Bible because he feels a moral obligation to do so, and even if Cromwell snuck him out of jail he'd just go back and do it again.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_2f1032e5	comment	Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans: Tekkadan and McGillis have their vices (McGillis especially) but they at the very least have more scruples than Rustal Elion. After a season-long chess match between the two sides, McGillis springs his uprising within Gjallarhorn and Tekkadan meets Rustal's Arianrhod Fleet in open battle. However, Rustal claims victory after an attempt to blow up his flagship narrowly fails and spends the final few episodes hunting Tekkadan down, culminating in Mikazuki and Akihiro (and separately McGillis) mounting an epic last stand against the Arianrhod forces. While all of them die, they are able to buy enough time for the rest of Tekkadan to escape and find new lives, and they're able to leave enough of an imprint to force Rustal to give Mars its independence and implement some reforms to Gjallarhorn (although the changes Rustal enacts involve making himself sole leader of Gjallarhorn, so its questionable how much Gjallarhorn actually is reformed).
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_32066b8e	comment	The central theme of V for Vendetta is that it's worth being a Doomed Moral Victor. Valerie Page's refusal to give in even as she's tortured, experimented upon, and eventually killed by Norsefire for no greater crime than being a lesbian forms the emotional climax of the film. She writes that her integrity was more important to her than her life, which sparks a similar mental and emotional change in V and later Evey when they read her story: V becomes a freedom fighter who knows there is no place for him in the world he wants to build, and Evey learns to stop fearing death because compromise would be worse.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_347facfb	comment	Averted in Scarface (1983), when Tony Montana was about to kill the anti-drug activist from the Bolivian government, but instead shoots the backup assassin at the last moment. Played straight later, however; Tony's having standards and refusal to hurt children lead Sosa to decide that He Has Outlived His Usefulness.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_3558eaa2	comment	Invoked in Community episode "Beginner Pottery" when Shirley becomes one when she captains her ship into a "storm" in order to save Pierce, stating she would rather be nice than strong. Her reward: becoming an admiral, at least in the eyes of the professor. Thanks to Abed's plan to travel from Earth-1 to Earth-2, Annie also adopts this strategy when her Model UN team is losing in their Model UN battle royale. The Professor is impressed and allows her a victory despite their team being way behind on the actual score, because "pointless symbolic gestures are what the UN is really all about".
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_366a284d	comment	Happens at least twice in Fist of the North Star, and used as a Tear Jerker both times. Shuu dies after being forced to complete Souther's pyramid to protect his village, and Fudoh's heroic final stand against Raoh. Rei's death as well. His injuries at the hands of Raoh leave him with three days before dying horribly, which he uses to hunt down and kill his sworn enemy and Screw Destiny for Mamiya, before wandering off to die alone so no one will see the carnage.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_37a71462	comment	Les MisÃ©rables is probably one of the older uses of this trope - the Friends of the ABC are courageous and noble and ultimately, in spite of their barricade and all their preparations, totally helpless against the forces of the government. Made explicit in the musical: "Let others rise to take our place until the earth is free!"
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_3b34143f	comment	Albus Dumbledore, from the Harry Potter novels, died a Doomed Moral Victor because, in the end, his death was All According to Plan. By choosing the time and means of his death, he denied Lord Voldemort mastery of the Elder Wand, something that was key to the villain's ultimate demise. Additionally, by committing "Suicide by Snape", Dumbledore succeeded in one of his secondary goals: keeping Draco Malfoy from crossing the Moral Event Horizon.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_400469e	comment	Another non-death example: Calvin frames his alter-ego Stupendous Man as one to cover for the fact that if it weren't for his moral victories, he'd never achieve any at all.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_4037825e	comment	Romance of the Three Kingdoms has Liu Bei, who's trying to uphold the doomed Han Dynasty. Well, except when the book itself subverts the "moral" part. Various other officers are also examples. Chen Gong refused Cao Cao's pardon because he felt Cao was too evil to serve and was executed instead. The physician Ji Ping dies without ratting out his confederates in a plot to assassinate Cao Cao, despite Cao's best efforts to get him to confess. One of Liu Zhang's officers commits suicide at Liu Zhang's feet when his warning about Liu Bei is ignored.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_4123aeca	comment	Franz from Gankutsuou, who secretly takes Albert's place in the duel with the Count. He knows very well that it's impossible for him to win, but he still goes through with it and tries his hardest to fight. He dies a very painful and bloody death. However, Franz's "moral victory" is in some ways a literal one, as he not only succeeds in convincing Albert not to hate the Count for his actions, but a fragment of his sword, which got lodged in the Count's chest actually kills the Count later when he ceases to be Gankutsuou and becomes vulnerable again.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_42f417ec	comment	Spartacus is the classic example. He is a slave who becomes the leader of a slave uprising against the Roman Empire. After a string of stunning victories, they're finally utterly defeated and he and his rebels are crucified along the road to Rome. He and his whole army become martyrs when they refuse to give him up to the authorities in exchange for their lives. "I'm Spartacus!"
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_45b21df3	comment	Parodied in Monty Python's Life of Brian, where instead of the PFJ coming to rescue Brian from the cross, they leave him up there precisely for this trope, much to his dismay.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_467773a6	comment	Rogue One: The main characters are killed by the Death Star, but not before finding and transmitting the Death Star's weakness to the rebels, ensuring the Empire's defeat at the hands of the Rebel Alliance.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_468bebb0	comment	Discworld: Parodied in the book Night Watch, where rebels (somewhat based upon La RÃ©sistance in Les MisÃ©rables) use as their slogan something like "you may kill us, but you'll never take our freedom", which Pratchett notes that the villains consider the stupidest slogan they've ever heard. Ultimately, the book does present the rebels as a somewhat straight example of doomed moral victors, given that the evil ruler is assassinated and his forces are defeated, but this is tempered by the fact that his seemingly benevolent successor ends up being even worse. The entire fight is pointless anyway, the plot to assassinate Lord Winder was around since before La RÃ©sistance and occurs identically in both time lines, despite the pivotal (and only) battle going the opposite way. Invoked by Twoflower's daughters in Interesting Times when it becomes evident that their rebellion has failed. Rincewind, a hardcore cynic and self-proclaimed Dirty Coward promptly explodes in anger at their acceptance of this, angrily telling them that there is no such thing as a cause worth dying for, as a person can pick up five causes on any street corner, but only has one life. The aghast girls ask how Rincewind can live with such a philosophy — Rincewind's answer is a bitter, vehement "Continuously!" The book features a running gag of bit characters defiantly telling Cohen they would "Rather die!" than betray their Emperor. So then Cohen kills them, mistaking their bluster for this trope. Eventually the other characters start cautioning everyone that they make sure they're feeling very, very sincere about such comments before they say them. Nearly invoked in Small Gods when Brutha is condemned to die by crucifixion on an iron turtle. Urn wants to rush the altar and save him, but Simony urges him to wait because if Brutha dies, he'll become a martyr and the rebels can use him as a rallying cry. Urn is rather horrified and points out that this cold-blooded calculation is exactly the kind of thing the Big Bad who ordered the execution would do. Explicitly defied in the same book, when the philosopher Dactylos is forced by the church to recant his teaching that the world moves through space in a clear parallel to Galileo, everyone is startled when he cheerfully goes along with it, happily signing the retraction without any resistance. When the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse have gathered to fight the Auditors in Thief of Time, protecting life and humanity from being extinguished in favour of a mechanically simple universe, War points out that they're vastly outnumbered.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_49a87cb3	comment	Pulled off well in Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core. Zack Fair dies in a heroic Last Stand against the corporate army that has been hunting him down like a dog, and while he doesn't even come close to achieving his goals, his death empowers the guy who eventually overthrows Shinra. Zack, of course, had no intention of overthrowing Shinra. All he was trying to do was protect his comatose friend and earn their freedom. When he inevitably fails (seriously, how can you go up against an army and win? But then, he knew that...), he still wins, because his actions saved Cloud's life and gave him a future. Everyone else might forget Zack, his entire history might be erased by Shinra, but Cloud will remember him. And that's all he ever wanted: proof of his existence, proof that he had a dream. His life was brief and sad, but he lived.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_4bf9cc7b	comment	Stirling uses the trope again in the Emberverse at the end of A Meeting at Corvallis.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_5178149f	comment	In the Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode "The Last Patrol!", the Doom Patrol is reunited by their old enemy General Zahl, only to be Killed Off for Real by the vengeful general. However, since it's a Heroic Sacrifice and they Face Death with Dignity, their courageous example leads Zahl's victims to rebel against him, turning his triumph into a Pyrrhic Victory.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_53a73ca0	comment	Duchess Satine in Star Wars: The Clone Wars is a pacifist and idealist, determined to keep her people out of the war and hopes to restore the republic to its rightful state as a peaceful institution. Unfortunately, in a war that is beyond your control, pacifism will only get you killed. Which is exactly what happens to Satine when the war comes to Mandalore, courtesy of Darth Maul.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_547d645a	comment	In Five Little Pigs, many of the people Hercule Poirot interviews about Caroline Crayle, the woman convicted for the murder that he has been hired to exonerate, note that although they don't believe in her innocence, the brave and dignified way she meets her conviction and eventual death was really quite impressive. And she actually turns out to be this for the real murderer, who — in addition to ruining her life and chances for future happiness due to her crime — can't even take any satisfaction in seeing Caroline go down for the murder she committed because Caroline's bravery and nobility just further remind her of how empty and pathetic she really is deep down.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_58808436	comment	Satoko in Higurashi: When They Cry's Meakashi arc is brutally killed via stabbing by Shion proclaiming that she will neither cry nor beg for her brother to save her. And she doesn't. It's enough to make Shion realize what horrible things they've been doing. In a manner of speaking, because she feels she's gone too far to deserve redemption. It does influence her in a later arc, however, where Shion has now become Satoko's loving surrogate sister and is willing to risk her life to protect her.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_5d21fab8	comment	Wolf Hall In a rather meta moment, Thomas Cromwell complains that Thomas More wants to die a martyr as though he's a character in a play in which he is the innocent victim and Cromwell is the foolish oppressor. More does admit to being afraid of execution but he adamantly refuses to recognize Henry as the head of England's church even though Cromwell tries every method of persuasion short of sticking the quill in his hand and moving it over the page. Cromwell doesn't think a lot of the idea of being a martyr in general—he's a Protestant, but he's trying to influence Henry into it so that his associates will stop getting burned as heretics. He's not impressed by John Tyndale's refusal to approve of Henry's marriage even though it would probably make it safe for him to return to England and advance his cause and says that he's not that different from More—"mules who pose as men."
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_60515a97	comment	In the Fans! alternate-universe story The Iron Easel, Will's counterpart is executed, but his last words are the beginning of the end for the Nazi regime.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_62cafa4	comment	In Mad Max: Fury Road, the Splendid Angharad dies during the escape, which temporarily demoralizes the group but they press on nonetheless in her honor. It serves as another contrast between her and Immortan Joe: her ideology lives beyond her, while his dies with him.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_6300d32a	comment	Leonidas and the Spartans of 300, railing against the inevitable conquest of a gigantic army that proves not so inevitable after all. But not until after they've died to a man proving it. In fact, the historical Leonidas was told by the oracle that the only way to save Sparta was for him to die in combat, causing him to deliberately invoke the trope.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_63230cb	comment	Dragon Ball Z Abridged: This trope is why Tien's okay with mocking Vegeta; if Vegeta snaps and kills Tien, Tien becomes one of these, and they both know that. And they both know that Vegeta will not stand for such a thing on his memory. Cell is disgusted with Gohan's Suicidal Pacifism, as he refuses to use his full power when everyone else is fighting both for their lives and to save the planet even though they know they can't win. He then specifically cites Krillin, who is thrown nearby and literally kicked while heâ€™s down by a Cell Jr., saying that even he tries his best. To finish, he says that none of the other fighters â€“ not even Yamcha and Krillin â€“ are as disgraceful as Gohan, who he calls a coward. And to top that, Android 16's final speech is a harsh "The Reason You Suck" Speech that tears this trope to shreds:
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_6369b8a8	comment	In Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Robin Hood's father Lord Locksley charges out of his castle and attacks the Sheriff of Nottingham's men, dying in the process. This motivates Robin to oppose the Sheriff.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_66839e9	comment	The Star: The entire Russian reconnaissance squad, which has been operating behind German lines, is killed when they are cornered in a farmhouse. But before they died they radioed back the necessary intel that allowed the Soviets to crush the German attack — and of course the Russians are going to win the war eventually.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_6744d821	comment	The Owl House: In Season 3, this is ultimately part of Emperor Belos never-ending attempts to commit genocide against the Witches despite said task having become both practically unfeasible and unrewarding to him by present. His desire to justify Caleb's death by canceling it out through an act of 'greater good' means he keeps desperately staving off his inevitable passing through whatever means he can and seeking a method to enact his Final Solution despite the low odds. It's made clear through his ranting at the hallucinations (or actual shades) of Caleb and the Grimwalkers that he feels he can't die without first having succeeded in his 'heroic' goal, aware on some level that he's dammed from his sin and delusionally trying to convince himself he can escape judgement through his success before he expires.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_698c3f32	comment	"Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman is a story much like 1984, where Harlequin is captured, broken and changed in the end. Despite this, he still wins something as his actions have an effect.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_69bd9a0f	comment	The Prophet: Though Mustafa was sent to prison for seven years because of his political writings, his words have inspired so many people. Even when he's let out, they flock to him to hear him speak. The Commandant orders him to recant his words or face death, but Mustafa merely states that his words aren't unique, he only gave a voice to what people were saying. Killing him won't silence what he's said and in the end, Kamila and Almitra seek to keep his writings and spread them.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_7056472e	comment	13 Minutes: Elser fails to kill Hitler, obviously, and is later shot by the SS for it. However, he's remembered as a hero for trying.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_70814599	comment	The Ascended Ancients of Stargate SG-1 faced becoming a victim of this through their vow of non-interference when the Ori become aware of human life in the Milky Way galaxy. While the Ancients operate on a policy of non-interference on the lower planes, the Ori have presented themselves as gods to the humans of their home galaxy as they gain power through worship, claiming that they will Ascend their followers upon their death even though they will never actually do so. Certain Ancients claim that they choose to avoid interference to prevent themselves becoming like the Ori, but when Stargate Command learn that the Ori intend to gain sufficient power from their new wave of worshippers to destroy the Ancients, the Ancients' choice of non-interference becomes basically stupid. They even go so far as to enforce this rule by preventing certain other parties even providing key information to Stargate Command; Orlin, an ally of the SGC, returned to human form as a child and was left in a brain-damaged state just to warn the SGC about the Ori's long-term agenda, while Merlin was left to die during his efforts to give them a weapon that could defeat the Ori and Morgan was banished from her galaxy for trying to pass on key information (although Morgan later returned to provide assistance in the Ori home galaxy).
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_73d7930f	comment	Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: A Bajoran priestess hangs herself in protest of the Dominion during the occupation of Deep Space 9 in "Rocks and Shoals". This galvanizes the main characters remaining aboard (mainly Kira and Rom) to start sabotaging the occupiers. Defied to much controversy among the fandom in "In the Pale Moonlight". Sisko ultimately refuses to be a Doomed Moral Victor, deciding that the survival and independence of the Alpha and Beta Quadrant nations as sovereign states trumps compromising his morality. He covers up Garak's murder of a Romulan senator and False Flag Operation implicating the Dominion as having tried to silence the senator before he could reveal a planned invasion of Romulan space, thereby bringing the Romulan Star Empire into the war on the Federation's side. A somewhat less dire and literal version happens in the episode "Take Me Out to the Holosuite", during which the station home team (called "The Niners") gets absolutely creamed by the visiting Logicians, an all-Vulcan team. Vulcans have vastly superior strength and speed to most other humanoid species, and it is implied that they've been training for quite a while just to beat whatever team Captain Sisko could pull together on short notice. In the end, the Niners only manage to score a single run against the Logicians' eleven, but they have fun doing it. Legate Damar for the Cardassian resistance against the Dominion. He begins the military rebellion, inspires the grassroots civilian uprising even after his forces are crushed and defeated, but dies in the final battle to free their homeworld.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_740815bb	comment	Invoked by Twoflower's daughters in Interesting Times when it becomes evident that their rebellion has failed. Rincewind, a hardcore cynic and self-proclaimed Dirty Coward promptly explodes in anger at their acceptance of this, angrily telling them that there is no such thing as a cause worth dying for, as a person can pick up five causes on any street corner, but only has one life. The aghast girls ask how Rincewind can live with such a philosophy — Rincewind's answer is a bitter, vehement "Continuously!" The book features a running gag of bit characters defiantly telling Cohen they would "Rather die!" than betray their Emperor. So then Cohen kills them, mistaking their bluster for this trope. Eventually the other characters start cautioning everyone that they make sure they're feeling very, very sincere about such comments before they say them.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_74c5b2f3	comment	Nintendo Wars: Captain Brenner/O'Brian, the mentor of Advance Wars: Days of Ruin/Dark Conflict. Although he dies, his army unit carries on in his name and The Hero eventually wins.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_7668653b	comment	This is one way to look at Mass Effect 3's Refusal ending. Shepard, either unwilling to believe the Catalyst about the Crucible's abilities or not wanting to use the Crucible's powers for one moral reason or another, chooses to denounce the Reaper AI and take their chances at defeating the Reapers in a conventional fight, stating that if they die, they will "die free". It doesn't work out for them or current galactic civilization. It does, however, give the next galactic cycle the chance to defeat the Reapers.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_77475565	comment	In One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the death of Billy inspires McMurphy to attack Nurse Ratched, and the lobotomy of McMurphy leads to Ratched's downfall. We're explicitly told that one by one the other named patients have checked out. The Chief is just the last one to go.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_77be988d	comment	When the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse have gathered to fight the Auditors in Thief of Time, protecting life and humanity from being extinguished in favour of a mechanically simple universe, War points out that they're vastly outnumbered.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_7a8eea7e	comment	The Scholomance: Arjun Sharma, the main protagonist's father, dreamed of finding the Golden Stone Sutras and bringing back the Golden Enclaves while he was growing up. He was further encouraged he met the similarly-minded Gwen Higgins while they were both attending the Scholomance and fell in love with her. Eventually, they tried to summon the sutras, leaving the payment open, and the universe granted them what they wanted by allowing the conception of their daughter, the first wizard in generations that would be able to properly wield the sutras in thousands of years. However, the cost would turn out to be Arjun's life, as he would later perform a Heroic Sacrifice to save the pregnant Gwen from Patience on their Graduation Day. In short, while El will go on to fulfill Arjun's dream, Arjun will never get the chance to see it himself.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_7dc73376	comment	The apprentice/Starkiller/Galen Marek from The Force Unleashed eventually becomes this, when he becomes the mask, embraces the new Rebellion, and is then killed and made into a martyr for the Rebel cause.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_8d36db52	comment	This is the stated plan of the Vendrian Guards' Rebellion at the start of Tyranny. Having already been defeated by, and surrendered to, the forces of Overlord Kyros, they're well aware that they can't hope to prevail - but they hope that by setting an example of defiance, they can inspire the other conquered territories, in The Tiers and beyond, to rebel as well. Somewhat ironically, it never actually WORKS - the only way for a successful rebellion to occur is for the player to side with them, in which case they avert the 'Doomed' qualifier thanks to some clever trickery on your part.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_8d8157e0	comment	From Lexx, Kai and the other Brunnen-G who chose to stand up to His Divine Shadow when the rest of their race decided to simply wait for death. The famous (among fans) "Brunnen-G Fight Song" is all about this trope and facing death as a Warrior Poet; it is traditionally sung when headed into a hopeless battle that must be fought anyway. Translated lyrics: Fighters to the fight/ For our home and for our hearts/ We will fight and die/ Forever Brunnen-G As a mockery of both their spirit and the prophecy which stated the last of their race would defeat him, His Divine Shadow, turned Kai into his personal undead assassin. Bit him in his Genre Blind ass a few thousand years later.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_90c73dda	comment	Arbron and the Mountain Taxxons in the Animorphs Spin-Off The Andalite Chronicles. Arbron is trapped in Taxxon morph and leads an uprising against the Yeerks on the Taxxon homeworld, which fails but provides cover for Elfangor to steal a ship and get off-planet. Arbron himself actually survives and leads a Taxxon resistance movement that lasts into the late stages of the main series; the Taxxons are ultimately freed from the Yeerks and morph themselves into snakes to escape their eternal hunger.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_90f42a9b	comment	Not played exactly straight in The Wheel of Time, but Rand, once he goes full-blown Jerkass Mode, throws former allies and even his best friends into battles, not because they've actually got a shot, but because they pulled it out of their ass before and he's hoping they can do it again.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_93df96	comment	To Kill a Mockingbird downplayed this trope in Atticus Finch: he was doomed to lose his case, not die. In doing so, though, he achieved the same goals of a martyr.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_97bb943d	comment	The title character in Gladiator becomes a darling of the public, kills the emperor in a duel, and dies afterward.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_982fa89f	comment	Robin Hood: This happens to Marian at the end of the second season. She finally stands up to Guy and admits to him (and herself) that she's in love with Robin. Guy then runs her through with his sword. Robin gets this at the end of the third season.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_9ab064e6	comment	Made explicit in the musical: "Let others rise to take our place until the earth is free!"
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_9d47a2a2	comment	Eddard Stark of A Song of Ice and Fire is set up like this. He is facing death after a failed coup to remove the illegitimate Joffrey as king. Varys, whom he thought an ally, threatens his daughters into confessing guilt to stop war. He recants but is executed anyway and dies a traitor. It's ambiguous whether this is a Subversion (ie. whether or not he is actually a "moral victor") especially since his family ends up getting scattered and slaughtered afterwards, or if subsequent events prove that he was right all along as the characters who lack his honour don't really fare any better were probably planning to kill him to begin with, and in certain cases were planning to engineer a civil war from the start regardless of what Ned personally did. Prince Oberyn Martell intends to avenge the rape and murder of his sister Elia Martell by Ser Gregor Clegane "the Mountain that Rides", who also murdered Elia's infant son. He takes Tyrion Lannister's side in a trial by combat against the Mountain and wounds Gregor, but delays in killing them as he wants a confession that the Mountain performed the murder, and is killed when the Mountain smashes his skull. However, in a way Oberyn still succeeds as he coated his spear with poison he treated to work slowly, leading to the Mountain spending weeks dying in agony. Davos Seaworth goes to White Harbor to convince the Manderlys to fight for Stannis but is arrested and sentenced to execution. Then subverted, Lord Wyman Manderly executes a common criminal in Davos' place and tells Davos he had to work secretly as his son Wylis Manderly was a prisoner. When they are returned he reveals his plans to Davos to restore the Starks. Robb Stark dies trying to make amends to the Freys after breaking a wedding pact, and his family and his mother's family are deposed from their places of power as a result. Stark loyalists in the Riverlands remain in open revolt (mostly pacified by Jaime, but the Brotherhood Without Banners is still killing any Frey they can get their hands on). The Northern lords play nice with the Boltons, but events around Winterfell make it clear at least some of them are just waiting for an excuse to openly revolt.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_9e2f90f4	comment	One Piece: Donquixote Rocinante's entire conflict with his older brother Donquixote Doflamingo. Rocinante dedicated his entire life to ending his brother's madness, but ultimately it ends in vain. Though, he still manages to get one up on his brother by preventing him from getting the Op-Op Fruit and giving it to Law, saving his life and allowing him to be free. On top of that, Law's love and devotion to Roci causes him to hate Doflamingo for his death and plan vengeance for the next thirteen years of his life. In essence, while Roci wasn't able to achieve his goal in life, his and his brother's actions created Doflamingo's worst enemy to take up his crusade against his brother in his stead, something that Doffy is very much aware of. Eventually, Roci's wishes come to pass when Law allies himself with Luffy, who finally ends Doflamingo's reign of terror for good. In a broader sense, an incident like this is part of the series's premise: The legendary Pirate King Gold Roger, having been captured by the World Government and to be publicly executed, rather confidently tells the audience below that his treasure still exists and that anyone who finds it first can have it. This inspires huge amounts of people to go looking for it or to otherwise become pirates, creating a level of anarchy that the World Government, 22 years later, is still struggling with. The scholars of Ohara continued their study of poneglyphs and the Void Century despite it being punishable with death because they believed all history deserved to be known. When they were finally caught red-handed, the amount they had learned was enough to startle the World Government's highest officials into ordering the island's complete destruction. Even as cannon fire and flames engulfed them, the scholars devoted their last minutes to saving as much of their knowledge as possible. In the end, they were able to protect a vast amount of books from the fires and Robin escaped to continue their search.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_aafa5498	comment	One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, as the death of Billy inspires McMurphy to attack Nurse Ratched, and the lobotomy of McMurphy inspires the Chief to escape, and one assumes the others escaped through the hole in the window as well, though that isn't shown.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_b2ac2311	comment	A non-death example: In Peanuts Charlie Brown will always go after that football. He knows he will fail, and so does the audience. In 50 years, he has never kicked that football, going through every trope of failure under the sun. Yet still he tries. In the end, he is the one the audience roots for, because the alternative is just giving up and not trying at all.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_b30ae4db	comment	Game of Thrones: Ned Stark is remembered by many as a good man undone by the Decadent Court. Robb Stark admits it's starting to look this way in "The Climb": Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen is her father's rightful heir but she is treacherously usurped and killed. Her claim is eventually vindicated when her son becomes King Aegon III after Aegon II's whole family died in their war.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_b86b5220	comment	Spartacus: Blood and Sand: Spartacus again. War of the Damned shows the Foregone Conclusion of his war. It plays it truer to history than the film, however. His army is routed, but the Romans are unable to recover his body. He is carried away by a few of his allies, after defeating the Big Bad in personal combat, and dies surrounded by friends. The survivors made up of a few fighters and most of the non-fighters then escape to freedom.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_b8e5dfd9	comment	In Disco Elysium, you can choose to play the board game Suzerainty with Kim. The game has you play as a colonial official competing for resources and favor, and enables several different strategies for victory, most of which are decidedly morally cruel, such as plundering other states for treasure or exploiting your workers to death. However, you can also play the game far more beneficently, and focus your resources on building infrastructure and improving the lives of the people, becoming a beloved leader... which yields far less victory points than the alternatives, only providing a small increase in resource gain, and trying to go down this path will cause you to lose (if anything, it results in you losing points). Kim, your opponent, points out that the game is about glorifying Revachol's imperialist past through the perspective of its aristocracy; its rules are going to be steeped against you if you aren't on board with the kind of monstrous actions they partook in, and they didn't particularly care about their citizenry, either. Nonetheless, he compliments you for sticking to your guns.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_bee7dcfe	comment	In Jojo Rabbit Jojo's mother Rosie gets hanged in the town square for trying to work against the Nazis from within Germany.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_c154d9b6	comment	Also happens in Basilisk, where Oboro can only free herself from her role as an Unwitting Pawn by killing herself rather than her major rival and love interest.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_c3a5fa9	comment	Happens to the original Robin Hood, Robin of Loxley, in Robin of Sherwood in the first series finale "Time of the Wolf". Sending the other outlaws to safety, he is cornered by the Sheriff and Gisborne, but fires an arrow next to the Sheriff's head, showing his arch-enemy that he could have killed him had he chosen to, before being killed himself. His mantle is taken up by the new Robin In the Hood, Robert of Huntingdon.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_c43df4d8	comment	Doctor Who: Played for Laughs in "Army of Ghosts". The TARDIS has just materialized in the secret organisation's base; only problem is, they knew he was coming, and the scanner is turned on to reveal lots of men with automatic weapons pointed at the TARDIS doors. The Doctor steps out anyway, pleased that they're "cutting to the chase".
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_c59abec0	comment	William Wallace of the movie Braveheart builds an army to drive the English garrison out, gets betrayed, captured, refuses to bow before the king, and is tortured and killed. Then his army wins a decisive battle.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_c6f7e804	comment	The crew in Blake's 7, according to one interpretation of the Bolivian Army Ending of "Blake". Considering that the group manages to take out more than two-thirds of the Federation's military forces, allow for several other human powers to expand, and begin a full-scale (though now leaderless) rebellion by uniting various warlords, it's easy to see why.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_cacc7427	comment	Parodied in Galavant with "Today We Rise", an anthem for revolution which goes into great detail regarding the horrific fates that await the heroic revolutionaries when they go up against the powerful king. As such, by the end of it, only Sid remains, with the rest of the would-be doomed moral victors having decided against the whole "doomed" thing.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_cc8fd137	comment	The Last Samurai for the final battle has a modern army of conscripts, cannons and gatling guns against a traditional Japanese army of samurai and retainers with bows, swords, and spears, and the former also outnumber the latter six to one. The samurai still manage to kill two-thirds of the modern army before being killed almost to the last man themselves. In so doing, they win the moral victory, as the intention was to show that traditional values, and especially courage in the face of difficult odds, need to be respected.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_d3b17858	comment	Ramza of Final Fantasy Tactics who, despite those who would pervert the idea of righteousness persecuting him more and more, constantly struggles against the evils of his world. His refusal to resort to the sort of tactics Delita employs in such a world makes it all too obvious as to where this path will lead him; Ramza is aware of this, and will not change his course. Zalbaag is probably a better example. Depending on how you view the ending, Ramza might never really qualify as doomed. Zalbaag dies specifically trying to do what is right. The only reason he doesn't do so sooner in the plot is that Ramza's accusations are unbelievable because of others' ploys. As soon as he finds evidence proving them, he fights and dies for it. Ramza doesn't do so. Wiegraf and his rebellion are this. Even their name (the Corpse Brigade) even refers to the fact they know they are going to die, but they fight because they feel they are morally in the right against the corrupt aristocracy. Orran Durai writes an account of Ramza's life that not only reveals the latter's innocence, but also the underlying political corruption of Ivalice. And he is burned at the stake for it. But eventually the account is published by his descendant, bettering the nation and making Orran's death at least somewhat worthwhile.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_d4263e4c	comment	Wild Cards' Jetboy.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_d49478d5	comment	Free State of Jones: It's pretty clear to anyone who knows about the events after the American Civil War that the freedmen and white supporters such as Newton Knight will not make out well. For Newt, his "victory" is simply surviving, while former slave Moses is not so lucky.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_d50eae16	comment	In a rather meta moment, Thomas Cromwell complains that Thomas More wants to die a martyr as though he's a character in a play in which he is the innocent victim and Cromwell is the foolish oppressor. More does admit to being afraid of execution but he adamantly refuses to recognize Henry as the head of England's church even though Cromwell tries every method of persuasion short of sticking the quill in his hand and moving it over the page.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_db96ded4	comment	From The Legend of Korra we have Wan, the very first Avatar. After releasing chaos into the world and sealing it back up again, he (along with Raava, the embodiment of good and order) travel the world in an effort to prevent violence and war while Wan learns all four bending arts. Many years later, Wan dies of fatal wounds on a battlefield, with Wan lamenting his inability to keep the balance. Raava promises him that they will always be together until they create a world of peace. And thus, the Avatar cycle is created.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_e623a914	comment	Robert Sobel's For Want of a Nail is an Alternate History textbook that features a failed American Revolution as its Point of Divergence, with George Washington and his compatriots acting as this for American readers.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_e66220af	comment	Ofelia in Pan's Labyrinth, in thematic parallel to the Republicans of the Spanish Civil War (the film's setting). Outside of the fairy tale parts of the film, the communist rebels win the day and kill the main villain, but it is only one battle in the aftermath of a war they've already lost, and Spain will remain under Franco's rule for the next 31 years. Several of the rebels suspect that they can't actually win the war, but nevertheless continue to fight.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_ea914eb2	comment	Something similar happens in Twilight Struggle. If DEFCON reaches 1, nuclear war breaks out, and whoever's turn it was when that happens loses the game - even if they didn't play the cards that triggered it, history will record them as being on watch when civilization burned to the ground, making the other player the "winner".
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_eb3eebd9	comment	In Shredder Orpheus, Axel has this view of Orpheus in the ending. While he failed his mission to save Eurydice and was decapitated, the younger generation is inspired by him, and he hopes one day they'll realize what he did it for.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_ec9155b1	comment	Nearly invoked in Small Gods when Brutha is condemned to die by crucifixion on an iron turtle. Urn wants to rush the altar and save him, but Simony urges him to wait because if Brutha dies, he'll become a martyr and the rebels can use him as a rallying cry. Urn is rather horrified and points out that this cold-blooded calculation is exactly the kind of thing the Big Bad who ordered the execution would do. Explicitly defied in the same book, when the philosopher Dactylos is forced by the church to recant his teaching that the world moves through space in a clear parallel to Galileo, everyone is startled when he cheerfully goes along with it, happily signing the retraction without any resistance.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_ef4c300f	comment	Assassin's Creed III: At the end of the game, Desmond is faced with a Sadistic Choice: Use Juno's device to save Earth from a solar flare, and let her loose, which will kill him, or let the world burn, become a new messiah, and let human history repeat itself. Desmond regards the later choice as hopeless and decides to go with the sacrifice, reasoning that someone will manage to stop Juno. Later works show Desmond was right on that score when the Assassins ultimately killed Juno once and for all with the help of his son Elijah. But he still dies. And Abstergo steals and mutilates his corpse to make video games.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_f56582b5	comment	Nearly the case in Sharin no Kuni with Natsumi's planned execution, but averted.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_f6c16bab	comment	Inverted rather tragically in The Saga of Darren Shan, with Kurda Smahlt. After discovering that his friend is a traitor, Darren exposes the plot and helps the vampires wipe out Kurda's allies... only for it to be revealed at the later trial that Kurda was trying to save the vampires from the war that was destined to happen, that would wipe them all out. Darren comes to see his point of view, somewhat, but due to the vampires' Honor Before Reason attitude, Kurda is still seen as a traitor and absolute scum, completely dishonored. After Kurda's death, Darren is offered the throne that was to have been Kurda's, and Darren is regarded as a hero for his role in exposing the plot. Later on, several characters acknowledge the fact that Kurda had good points that should have been listened to before it even came to that, but it's too little, too late.
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Doomed Moral Victor / int_f8ede3da	comment	Likewise, the death of Meursault in The Stranger, which was inspired by the above.
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The Old Man and the Sea / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Pilgrim's Progress / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Silmarillion / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Sundering / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
ThÃ©rÃ¨se Raquin / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
To Kill a Mockingbird / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Witches Abroad / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
BenitoMussolini	seeAlso	Doomed Moral Victor
EvilCanNotComprehendGood	seeAlso	Doomed Moral Victor
Gemmifer	seeAlso	Doomed Moral Victor
Glorious39	seeAlso	Doomed Moral Victor
Death Note (Manga) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Eden: It's an Endless World! (Manga) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Shamo (Manga) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Uzumaki (Manga) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys (Music) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
David Byrne (Music) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
For The Tyrants Fear Your Might (Roleplay) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Lynching ITP (Roleplay) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Home Improvement / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Murdoch Mysteries / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
NapolÃ©on (2002) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Spartacus: Blood and Sand / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Newsroom / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Terror / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Tudors / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Torchwood: Miracle Day / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Wolf Hall / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
A Man for All Seasons (Theatre) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Brand (Theatre) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Hadestown (Theatre) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Man of La Mancha (Theatre) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
The Crucible (Theatre) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
There Shall Be No Night (Theatre) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Deponia (Video Game) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 (Video Game) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Nintendo Wars (Video Game) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
This War of Mine (Video Game) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Total War: Rome II (Video Game) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Coμ - Black Dragon in a Gentle Kingdom (Visual Novel) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Hakuouki (Visual Novel) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Outside Xbox (Web Video) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Darken (Webcomic) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor
Basilisk (Manga) / int_72bafff5	type	Doomed Moral Victor

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