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A weapon or type of weapon, once common, that is now only used by one or a few people. Qualification for such weapons is extensive and often tied to other skills that "aren't magic". They are often granted by a master or passed down through the generations. There are times when this is a Justified Trope: Awesome, but Impractical: It's impressive enough for some people to use even though a different weapon is actually more effective. The weapon requires a specialized skillset and training but there exist alternatives that are roughly equivalent and require much less time and effort to be good at. A Master-Apprentice Chain has been broken and so the knowledge is lost. The weapons are picky about who wields them, and these days there are few people who measure up. The technology to manufacture such weapons is lost, or a critical resource that can't be synthesized or replaced has run out or is otherwise inaccessible. In cases of Magic Versus Science it is likely used by a Magic Knight, or, in the case of martial arts, a Kung-Fu Wizard. Usually used as a metaphor on how combat has become impersonal over the ages. Can be used as a concrete form of Good Is Old-Fashioned or Good Old Ways. See also: Unusable Enemy Equipment, Cool Sword, Archaic Weapon for an Advanced Age, and Katanas Are Just Better. |
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The Claws used by some Mantids in Shadows of the Apt. | |
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Sluggy Freelance: Subverted, complete with a Star Wars reference, in this strip. Double Subverted when the sword does prove decisive, in that battle and in others down the road. It saves the characters more than once, in situations where other weapons would obviously fail (soul-trading demons in the spirit world, for example). |
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In The Hobbit, the trio of elven weapons found in a troll cave are these; Glamdring, Orcrist, and Sting. Elven, Elegant... and lethally sharp. | |
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Belkan-style Devices in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's are optimized for close combat in a variety of forms and they are used by knights. They have honor codes and fealty oaths and other stuff. Their weapons get more common in the third season, but the majority of mages still wield staff-type ranged weapons. | |
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Star Trek: Picard: On the cusp of the 25th century, it's far easier to simply push a button or pull the trigger on an energy weapon than it is to learn how to swing a sword properly, but the Qowat Milat warrior nuns continue to use the tan qalanq (an Absurdly Sharp Blade that, at least in the present-day, seems to be unique to the sisterhood) as their primary weapon. It's partly because they want to preserve the customs and lifestyle of a bygone era when Romulans were a Proud Warrior Race, and it's also because a Qowat Milat who has fully mastered the order's Fantastic Fighting Style is more lethal in combat than a small group of assailants equipped with disruptors. | |
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In the RWBY Fan Fic Various Vytal Ventures this is the explanation for why Jaune's "Crocea Mors" is not also a gun, like his many comrades. Doubles as an Ancestral Weapon. | |
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The Klingons love to fight with their swords (called bat'leth), even though energy guns, such as phasers or disruptors, are very common in Trek Verse, and the Klingons themselves know perfectly well how to build and use the latter ones. They obviously consider it to be more honorable to defeat your enemy in close combat. In addition to the bat'leth, they also have the mek'leth (paired fighting daggers used not unlike sais) and the d'k'tagh (a ceremonial dagger with spring-loaded secondary blades built into the guard). No other species, except maybe the Vulcans with their ceremonial weaponry, devotes as much loving attention to edged weapons as the Klingons. When they're fighting anyone but each other, Surprisingly Realistic Outcome occurs and they mostly just get shot while charging. | |
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In what is possibly the most subtle reference in video game canon, the achievement An Elegant Weapon... in Halo: Reach is presumably a reference to how the DMR has fallen out of style in favor of the Battle Rifle, while at the same time referring to Obi-Wan commenting on how the lightsaber has fallen out of use in favor of the blaster in A New Hope. | |
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Cowboy Bebop has Vicious sporting a katana in the future. He doesn't say why. | |
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The film adaptation of Starship Troopers features a scene where the soldiers are learning how to use knives. One recruit questions the wisdom of stabbing weapons in a push-button war and it's painfully explained to him. | |
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Similar to Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy XIV features gunblades as the weapons of choice for the Gunbreaker job. As opposed to Garlean gunblades, which are essentially rifles with blades situated along the barrels, the Gunbreaker's gunblade is a sword that uses a special firing mechanism to flash-heat the blade or cast magical spells. These gunblades were used by their namesake, "Gunnhildr's Blades", a Praetorian Guard from the long-lost civilization of Bozja who were tasked with attacking the Allagan Empire's artillery — to break the enemy's guns. | |
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Invoked in Star Wars: Republic Commando when the player finds a lightsaber. | |
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In the opening fight of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, Gamora uses a big grenade-launcher-like gun instead of her usual swords, much to Quill's disappointment who thought every member of the group typically had a weapon of choice, guns being his. The trope is subverted in-universe for him (as well as lampshaded and deconstructed by Gamora). Double subverted in the end of the fight: None of their weapons are able to pierce through the monster's skin, but it has a weak spot. However, when Gamora aims for it, her weapon is out of ammunition, so she resorts to her sword instead. | |
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Schlock Mercenary: The Very Reverend Lieutenant Theo Fobius is an accomplished fencer since his seminary days. He even makes it work for him. Well, sometimes. | |
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The world of Exalted is a Magitek Fantasy Kitchen Sink, with flamethrowers, beam cannons, and Wave Motion Guns all available in somewhere in the setting. However, even at the technological heights of the First Age, the traditional weapon of the titular Exalted is the daiklave, a BFS that is so massive that it needs to be enchanted just so the wielder can use it without difficulty. | |
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Okoye in Black Panther plays with this trope. She reacts to seeing a gun by saying "Guns. So primitive", and then proceeds to kick ass with a Vibranium spear. Yes, the spear form is older than the gun but the material it is made from makes it more capable than another one. Especially come Avengers: Infinity War, where those same spears are now shown to fire bolts of energy |
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Parodied in xkcd #297. | |
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The Lord of the Rings Online extends the reforged weapons from earlier ages (as seen referenced above from the books) to players with Legendary Items. | |
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Especially come Avengers: Infinity War, where those same spears are now shown to fire bolts of energy | |
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Errant Story Features "Durus Flamma" weapons, that look a lot like lightsabers and are used by the elves exclusively for duels. And a dual bladed one, that is completely impractical, (even in-universe) but the one person who uses them anyway is just that badass. | |
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Inverted in The Five Star Stories. Personal combat has come back into fashion once more not because of ideas of honor or elegance but because people realized what a waste it was to nuke things from orbit. The goal of most warfare in the series is to conquer territory while doing as little damage to said territory as possible - after all, who wants to rule over a radioactive crater? The trope is also deconstructed here, as the dominance of showy, impractical weapons like Laser Blades and ridiculously elaborate, sword-fighting Humongous Mecha are seen as a sign that war has become some kind of sick game to the rulers of the galaxy. | |
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Justified in Dune; swords, knives, and such have made a comeback in Herbert's universe, not because they're more civilized, but because they don't cause small nuclear explosions when they hit shields, like lasguns do, while also being able to move slow enough to pass through shields (unlike all but some very specialized and rare projectile weapons). | |
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Parodied meta-wise in Halo: Luke Smith said that the Spartan Laser is not an overpowered weapon, but an elegant weapon from a more civilized age. Said "Elegant Weapon" is a Goddamn Laser Cannon that kills nearly everything that goes into the path of the laser. And that thing costs more than four fully-armed warthogs and is worth only five shots per battery! (Not that it isn't fun to use.) In what is possibly the most subtle reference in video game canon, the achievement An Elegant Weapon... in Halo: Reach is presumably a reference to how the DMR has fallen out of style in favor of the Battle Rifle, while at the same time referring to Obi-Wan commenting on how the lightsaber has fallen out of use in favor of the blaster in A New Hope. |
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Traveller: Aslan: they prefer to fight duels with claws. As humans have no claws, a human fighting Aslan fashion would wear an Ayloi, or artificial claw. Ayloi could count as this. Another example with Aslan is their taste for ornate decoration for weapons of all kinds including more modern ones. Imperial Marines in Traveller have a serious cutlass-fetish. Semi-averted because shooting guns inside a ship does bad things to delicate electronics, so melee is used in order to have a usable ship after boarding. More because cutlasses aren't really intended for war; they are intended for sport and for dueling. Swordplay is an activity that provides good exercise and is suited for the limited space of a starship. |
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In the Fallout series, the Brotherhood of Steel are individually highly trained warriors who use powered armor, energy weapons and combat robots, which are all from a more civilized age. They are fewer in number compared to the raiders, mutants and NCR Army, but one Brotherhood Paladin is the equal of three to five (or for even less developed foes, ten or more) of the aforementioned. However, their inability to quickly replace lost soldiers was a major reason why they lost the Brotherhood-NCR conflict. A similar statement can be said for the forces of the Enclave. Not too civilized though, with the world racked by resource wars. The European states invade the Middle East as a response to crippling oil prices, when the oil runs dry both regions collapse. Meanwhile China invades Alaska for America's oil, and the United States retaliates by invading mainland China, eventually culminating in a two hour nuclear exchange that puts an end to the war and everyone involved. |
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Star Trek The Klingons love to fight with their swords (called bat'leth), even though energy guns, such as phasers or disruptors, are very common in Trek Verse, and the Klingons themselves know perfectly well how to build and use the latter ones. They obviously consider it to be more honorable to defeat your enemy in close combat. In addition to the bat'leth, they also have the mek'leth (paired fighting daggers used not unlike sais) and the d'k'tagh (a ceremonial dagger with spring-loaded secondary blades built into the guard). No other species, except maybe the Vulcans with their ceremonial weaponry, devotes as much loving attention to edged weapons as the Klingons. When they're fighting anyone but each other, Surprisingly Realistic Outcome occurs and they mostly just get shot while charging. Star Trek: Picard: On the cusp of the 25th century, it's far easier to simply push a button or pull the trigger on an energy weapon than it is to learn how to swing a sword properly, but the Qowat Milat warrior nuns continue to use the tan qalanq (an Absurdly Sharp Blade that, at least in the present-day, seems to be unique to the sisterhood) as their primary weapon. It's partly because they want to preserve the customs and lifestyle of a bygone era when Romulans were a Proud Warrior Race, and it's also because a Qowat Milat who has fully mastered the order's Fantastic Fighting Style is more lethal in combat than a small group of assailants equipped with disruptors. |
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Commander Keith in Voltron Force considers a sword (his is a replica of the Blazing Sword that Voltron uses) "a weapon of honor". | |
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In Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura, the kingdom of Dernholm is in terminal decline due to their refusal to embrace technology. In the last war, their much-celebrated Dragon Knights were slaughtered en masse by rifle-wielding infantry. In the good ending, The true king returns and usher in an era of prosperity by uniting the new ways with the old. | |
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In The Elder Scrolls series, katanas are an Akaviri weapon brought to Tamriel during the 1st Era Akaviri invasion. That invasion was halted by future Emperor Reman Cyrodiil I, who adopted the defeated Akaviri into his own legions. He took on the Akaviri Dragonguard as his own Praetorian Guard and they became the basis for the Blades, who would serve as a combination Ancient Order of Protectors and Secret Police for future emperors. The most iconic piece of Blades equipment, as seen prominently in Oblivion, is the Akaviri Katana. However, following the 200 year Time Skip during which the Blades were forcibly dissolved and outlawed as a term of White-Gold Concordat with the Thalmor-led Aldmeri Dominion, Akaviri Katanas (now knows simply as "Blades Swords") are incredibly rare in Skyrim. Only three standard katanas can be found in the game (two owned by NPCs) prior to opening Sky Haven Temple, where a fourth enchanted version can be found and more will be equipped to new Blades who you recruit. | |
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Bored of the Rings parodies this. At the battle of Minas Troney, Goodgulf is said to carry "an ancient and trustworthy weapon, called by the elves a Browning semi-automatic." | |
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Thoroughly deconstructed (as with anything else about classical heroes) in Fate/Zero. Mages have obsession with 'the elegance of the ancient age', and this is exactly why Kiritsugu uses guns against them to great effect, since they think such technology is "below" them and as such routinely underestimate what he can do with them. | |
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Debuting in Metal Gear Solid, the cowboy-themed villain Ocelot is known for carrying a set of Colt Single Action Army revolvers despite facing off against characters with modern guns and supernatural powers, and is an impossibly good shot with them. | |
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The Operative in Serenity uses a Chinese-style sword as an apparent throwback to the warrior traditions of old. He lectures one man about how a dishonored Romans would fall on their sword... while forcing the man to do so. Somewhat subverted in that he's not above using guns (notably taking a pistol off of a dead Alliance officer when shit gets real), he's just a ridiculously-skilled killer who seems to favor his long blade as more of a personal style choice that anything else. | |
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Warhammer 40,000: Eldar Phoenix Lords wear armor and wield weapons forged probably more than 20,000 years ago, all of which are at least as good as their modern counterparts. It should be noted that Eldar armor is psychically bonded to the wearer's spirit stone, and can presumably deform or expand (to an extent) to accommodate to new wearer. A lot of the Imperium works like this as well: Artificer Armor and Master Crafted Weapons tend to be centuries, if not millennia, old. The reason they're still in use isn't just because of sentimentality; it's because they still work better than a lot of newer things, and in fact repairs and modifications may make them worse. This also plays into the fact that, prior to the formation of the Imperium, humanity lost vast swathes of technological knowledge during the Age of Strife, afterwards leaving the newly-formed Imperium to scramble to secure whatever was left over. It's rather a Big Thing whenever a new Standard Template Construct is discovered. That, and the Imperium of Mankind (or at least, the Inquistion) frown rather heavily on innovation or invention — it's like "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". As a result, Imperial technology has spent about 10-15 thousand years stagnating while races less afraid of designing better wargear (like the Tau or the Tyranids) are slowly overtaking. It's not universal, though - the rulebooks make it explicitly clear that bipedal combat platforms and Hellguns are actually better now than they used to be, and a lot of old designs aren't made anymore not because nobody remembers how, but because the Imperium is logistically strapped. |
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Luke Smith said that the Spartan Laser is not an overpowered weapon, but an elegant weapon from a more civilized age. Said "Elegant Weapon" is a Goddamn Laser Cannon that kills nearly everything that goes into the path of the laser. And that thing costs more than four fully-armed warthogs and is worth only five shots per battery! (Not that it isn't fun to use.) | |
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The various beam katanas from No More Heroes are quite common, but the people who actually know how to skilfully use them, like Travis and Henry, aren't the ones who are getting their heads cut off. | |
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An extremely cynical variant shows up in Season 3 of The Wire, when former gang member Dennis "Cutty" Wise rejoins "the game" after spending over a decade in prison. During his first hit mission, he reminisces fondly about using revolvers in his younger days, only to find that high-capacity pistols have since become the norm among gangs. As Baltimore's gang warfare has become more violent, criminals have come to value sheer firepower over reliable, well-made weapons. | |
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In The Last Samurai, the samurai rebel because the Emperor wants to modernize and Westernize Japan. The rebels fight the Imperial army with old-fashioned bows, spears and swords and do surprisingly well before getting cut down in a hail of machine gun fire. However, the real rebels upon which the film is based used modern weapons, and died in a last-ditch charge when their ammo ran out. | |
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The Dark Tower: Firearms in general are implied to no longer be possible to produce, but there's still enough of them floating around that they don't quite qualify. The sort of high-quality six-shooters that gunslingers use, on the other hand, are viewed with awe and considered the weapons of heroes. | |
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Inverted by the Howling Voice Guild of the Suikoden series, who are the only people in the world to wield guns. As Cathari explains in Suikoden V, they're louder than bows, so worse for stealth, less accurate, and less reliable (Though not in actual combat, where one shot from Cathari can do more damage than most fighters can pull of in three, she also has a high hit rate). In a civilized age, they're the only ones using these uncivilized weapons. The only thing that makes them useful is as an intimidation tactic. | |
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Sudeki references this with Buki's weapons, handheld claws. Despite being a traditional Shadani weapon, they're falling out of use as they require a lot of training to use,and many recruits prefer easier-to-handle human weapons like swords and spears. | |
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Certain aspects of the Lensman series. At the Ambassadors' Ball in First Lensman, the junior Lensmen are instructed to forego their blasters for automatic pistols in order to avoid collateral damage in the shoot-out the Lensmen know is about to happen. The first time Kim Kinnison is seriously wounded, it's by a heavy machine gun rather than a laser. They're still in use over 20 years later, the implication being that personal energy shields are less adept at stopping bullets (at routine velocities) than beams. In addition, despite being the Trope Namer for Lensman Arms Race, with infantry combat using ever-escalating variations of lasers, heavy machine guns and power armour, the best hand-to-hand weapon repeatedly turns out to be an axe, as they will pass through shields that deflect or absorb fire from most hand-held energy and high speed projectile weapons. The fact that in Patrol hands they are most often wielded by elite natives of a high-gravity planet only enhances their reputation. |
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Deconstructed in Black Cat. The main enemy of the cowboy-esque hero Train is the swordsman Creed. While Creed is one of the few people in the series able to survive a World of Badass with a blade, he owes that to the fact that the Tao elixir gives him supernatural powers that continually evolve, to the point that his weapon barely qualifies as a sword in it's later stages. There is no way he'd be able to stand against the world's greatest gunslinger otherwise. The members of Chronos generally prefer old-fashioned weapons. While it helps that they are made of the near-indestructible Orichalcum, even the highest-ranking members are unable to put Creed down. Train himself, a former member of Chronos, decided to use an Orichalcum-crafted gun. |
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Final Fantasy VIII features the gunblade, a weapon which combines elements of sword and gun to create an Impossibly Cool Sword that is also so difficult to use that only the most dedicated soldiers are able to master it. And the more advanced the model, the more elegant it becomes. It's so difficult to use, in fact, that only three people in the game use them: Squall, Seifer, and Laguna (who only uses it as an awkward sword). Seifer uses it because it matches his fantasy, and there's some in-universe speculation that Squall uses it because it's difficult to master, reflecting his stubborn nature. |
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Kingdom Hearts: The Keyblade Wielders were once common enough to form a Knighthood. By the time the first game rolls around, there are only a few left. Inverted as the series goes on. The number of keyblade wielders (and potential keyblade wielders) grows to the point where the only relevant main characters (including villains) that cannot currently or ever have previously used a keyblade are Donald and Goofy, Maleficent and Pete. | |
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The denn'bok (referred to as a Minbari pike but more like a quarterstaffnote but collapsible, and able to expand to full size with enough force to knock a man out) used by the Rangers in Babylon 5. | |
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