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This trope happens often in series where the main villain is The Fundamentalist, but the author doesn't want to imply that Religion Is Wrong or Belief Makes You Stupid. Instead, a sympathetic character is shown as being religious, but as rejecting the flaws of the religious villains, such as corruption or intolerance. The hero may call out the villain's restrictive or intolerant doctrines, and say that God/the gods/Cthulhu would be ashamed at what is being done in their names. Often done by The Heretic and accompanied by phrases like "Jesus wants us to love everyone." Done well, it's An Aesop about how people are people and there is a fundamental core of reasonable humanity in every institution. Done poorly (usually, because the sympathetic character is blatantly incorrect in his knowledge of relevant scripture, making him more offensive than The Fundamentalist to true believers), it can read as a weak attempt to not lose a substantial number of readers who may be religious. It is also a lesson on deindividuation: faith and a belief in a higher power can help individuals find fulfillment and purpose in their lives. However, a congregation can show how members can be influenced by a mob mentality to exclude non-believers, use others as a scapegoat, and use that faith as an excuse to harm and harass those who disagree with their beliefs or punish those who commit heresy. Compare The Heretic, Turbulent Priest. |
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In the original version of The Wicker Man (1973), when the protagonist, a dogmatic, virginal conservative policeman, and a young cop see graffiti spelling out "Jesus Saves," the young cop comments approvingly of it while the protagonist demands it be wiped clean. | |
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Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Elliot Stabler is a devout Catholic and has some problems reconciling his conservative attitude with his job. With that said, religious fundamentalists that hide behind their religion piss him off almost as much as child molesters, regardless of their faith whether if it's a Christian fundamentalist saying that gays will go to Hell when they die or if a Muslim commits Honor-Related Abuse to avenge their family's honor. | |
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Tonauac the Avian from Starbound. He's a whole-hearted believer in Kluex, and guards one of his biggest temples, but appears to have rejected the destructive elements like sacrifice of sentient beings and ritual suicide. (To be fair, it's heavily implied Kluex - or whatever Neglectful Precursors technologically elevated the Avians without also accelerating their social advancement - would be horrified by this as well.) Best shown at the end of the Great Temple quest; when he catches up with the Player Character after they ignored his request to not go further into the temple, worked their way to the inner chamber, and destroyed a Kluexian Avatar, he concludes they couldn't have possibly gotten that far unless Kluex wanted them to and hands over the Artifact willingly. | |
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In Tales of Legendia, the Ferines want to use the power of their god Nerifes to wipe out the Orerines as vengeance for years of persecution. The Quiet Nerifes, however, doesn't want this to happen - being appalled by the idea of so much slaughter - and guides the heroes into making sure it doesn't. | |
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Dragon Age: Dragon Age: Origins: Chantry dogma holds the Maker to be remote and uncaring about human suffering. Leliana believes the Maker can be found in the beauty of the world, and takes an active role in bringing an end to the Blight. In Dragon Age II, Good Shepherd and Badass Preacher Sebastian will take this view if he's convinced to side with the Mages: stating that Andraste and the Maker don't want their Chantry to be used to imprison and torture the magic-users of the world. |
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Inverted in Tales of Berseria. Eleanor eventually decides she cannot in good conscience continue to support the Abbey's actions and collusion with Innominat, but states she genuinely believes the Shepherd wants what's best for the world, even if his view has been warped to the point she doesn't agree with his means or end. | |
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One of the central themes of Jesus Christ: Vampire Hunter. The reason the vampires have become so powerful in the first place is that they're preying on people that the Church has abandoned - the lesbian community of Ottawa. There's also a scene that pretty directly recreates the Parable of the Good Samaritan, with Jesus badly wounded after a fight with the vampires; a priest and cop refuse to help this strange bearded man lying in a gutter, but a drag queen takes Him in and saves His life. The film ends with Jesus giving a sermon about this trope, and how modern Christianity has turned into just another banner to be waved, rather than the loving ethos it was supposed to be. |
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One of the running themes in A Certain Magical Index. The titular character even has a magic song, Sheol Fear, that specifically causes those who put dogma before morality to go temporarily insane when they hear it. | |
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In Rice Boy, The One Electronic rejects the "perfect, solid God" that he was taught about as a child, and believes that the being who sent him on his quest to find The Chosen One is not God but an imposter. But T-O-E still believes in God. | |
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In Tales of Eternia, the Church of Seyfert is inept at best; although this is less a result of the actual church's failings and more to do with the fact that the country's political system is run by an assholishy judgemental king. Seyfert himself, however, is such a cool dude that not only does he give you the Infinity Plus One Skills to defeat the Big Bad - he even congratulates you in the ending and casually breaks the laws of physics to save the heroes from certain death just because he likes them. | |
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Breath of Fire II (funnily enough, given the general tone of the series) sends out this message. The institutionalised religion of St. Eva is an Obviously Evil Corrupt Church. The faith of the Dragon God Ladon, however, is much looser, much less-organised and full of much nicer people. The follow-up game even reveals that Ladon is something of a Chaotic Good god who isn't too fussed about how his people worship him - just so long as they do unto others, stand up for freedom and equality and protect the world from giant evil demons posing as gods. | |
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This happens quite a lot in the Tales Series, and often gets paired with God Is Good. In Tales of Eternia, the Church of Seyfert is inept at best; although this is less a result of the actual church's failings and more to do with the fact that the country's political system is run by an assholishy judgemental king. Seyfert himself, however, is such a cool dude that not only does he give you the Infinity Plus One Skills to defeat the Big Bad - he even congratulates you in the ending and casually breaks the laws of physics to save the heroes from certain death just because he likes them. In Tales of Symphonia, the Church of Martel is quickly revealed as a Corrupt Church / Path of Inspiration, entirely set up by the Big Bad for his own purposes. It was all Yggdrasil manipulating both worlds to compete for mana so he could revive his little sister Martel, damn the consequences to anyone else. However, Martel herself after she becomes the Spirit of the World Tree is a kind and benevolent force who only wants to protect the world. In Tales of Legendia, the Ferines want to use the power of their god Nerifes to wipe out the Orerines as vengeance for years of persecution. The Quiet Nerifes, however, doesn't want this to happen - being appalled by the idea of so much slaughter - and guides the heroes into making sure it doesn't. In Tales of the Abyss, the Order of Lorelei started out as a Saintly Church founded by Yulia Jue, who is basically a gender-swapped Jesus. Fast-forward to the present day and it's become very corrupt - with its leaders perfectly happy to let the world fall into ruin Because Destiny Says So. As it happens, this is not what Yulia or the Sentience she worshipped - Lorelei - wanted. Their use of recording the Score, the prophecy that dictates fate, was not to control humanity but to show the world that the planet was going to end if it followed the Score to the letter. As such, the heroes and the villains end up working together (in different ways) to create a world of free will. The heroes do this so well that, in the ending, Lorelei praises the protagonist. Inverted in Tales of Berseria. Eleanor eventually decides she cannot in good conscience continue to support the Abbey's actions and collusion with Innominat, but states she genuinely believes the Shepherd wants what's best for the world, even if his view has been warped to the point she doesn't agree with his means or end. |
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On Mad Men, when the priest tells Peggy that she should repent before nuclear war breaks out (during the Cuban Missile Crisis), Peggy answers that she can't believe God would be so cruel as to condemn her to hell just because she had an affair with a married man. | |
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A recurring, though quiet, theme in This Is the End. The Rapture has occurred, and God seems to be testing those remaining on whether they love their fellow man enough to carry out a Heroic Sacrifice. Even if it's being done just to get into Heaven, God counts it, and all sins committed in life are ignored. Being a prick about it revokes your ticket to Heaven, though. On a funnier note, during one scene, the heroes are trying to exorcise a demon from one of their number by simply repeating "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!", which even the demon mocks them for - but then it starts working, indicating God was giving them a hand because they thought it would work. | |
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Judge Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Disney) is a self-righteous religious extremist who believes that he alone is virtuous among the "common, vulgar, weak, licentious crowd", and uses his considerable authority to persecute and purge those he deems "beneath him" (i.e., the Gypsies) while claiming to be God's soldier. He is contrasted with the Archdeacon, who is the complete opposite of Frollo, and shows compassion and kindness to Esmeralda when she seeks sanctuary in his church. | |
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Aramis's devotion to God is contrasted in The Three Musketeers with the conniving Cardinal Richelieu. | |
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The Simpsons Movie: Affectionately parodying this trope, Flanders accepts what is clearly a many-eyed, radiation-mutated squirrel as the deliberate work of his Creator. Later, Flanders chooses to help reconcile Bart and his (unbelieving, more emotionally messy) father instead of adopting Bart, because he sees that, although Homer is fundamentally different from himself, he really loves Bart and wants to apologize for how he treated him earlier in the movie. |
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In Just Ella by Margaret Peterson Haddix: Jed Reston, the son of Lord Reston, priest to the king, says state religion is all "smoke and mirrors" and has nothing to do with true faith. | |
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The nuns of Call the Midwife care far more about helping their poverty-stricken patients than about passing judgment on them. This also combines with Saintly Church. The few times we see one of them slip up and get too dogmatic give a vivid demonstration of why they stick to this trope, as it tends to result in a dangerous medical crisis for the patient and a Heroic BSoD for the nun. | |
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Dragon Age: Origins: Chantry dogma holds the Maker to be remote and uncaring about human suffering. Leliana believes the Maker can be found in the beauty of the world, and takes an active role in bringing an end to the Blight. | |
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In Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade, the normally laid-back Saul is royally pissed whenever he faces Sinister Minister villains, as he believes they're disgracing everything the gods stand for. | |
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Leslie in Shortpacked! was spurned and shunned by her fundamentalist Christian family when she came out as gay; while her mother maintains some limited contact, her father refuses to speak to her. Her girlfriend, Robin, provides a more positive portrayal of Christianity by being a liberal Catholic who believes that God only punishes jerks and approves of love in any form. Even among fundamentalists, Leslie's ex-husband is overall a decent man who, while he disapproves of homosexuality, still (mostly) accepts and supports Leslie and ultimately wants her to be happy. | |
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In A Brother's Price, Princess Ren is religious, and argues in favour of the traditional system of sororal polygyny but points out that "nowhere in the holy book does it say we should treat boys like property". The heroic characters are also critical of the religious taboo on adoption, and it is unclear whether that taboo has any proof in scripture, or whether it is just a tradition. | |
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Vampyr (2018): In one hand you have Father Tobias Whitaker, an Ax-Crazy old priest who genuinely believes the plague ravaging London is divine retribution for godlessness, advocates using fire to "cleanse" it and looks down on scientists like the main protagonist Jonathan, stating that "he must be more lost than he expected". On the other hand you have Father Sean Hampton, a Good Shepherd that manages the night asylum at the Docks and genuinely looks after the district's people even after he turns into a vampire - in fact he got himself into this situation by voluntarily offering his blood to ease a hungry vampire that used to be his friend. Standing above all is William Marshal, a Christian vampire that served as Greater-Scope Paragon for the story and the fact he wears a crucifix around his neck without burning like other vampires makes his faith unshakable. | |
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Castlevania (2017): The Bishop of Targoviste is pretty much responsible for starting the story's events by burning Lisa Tepes on the stake as a witch and sending her husband Count Dracula in a genocidal warpath against mankind. He is particularly portrayed as an anti-intellectual, bigoted, self-righteous fanatic that persecutes "heretics" (i.e. people perceived to be too intelligent) and employs priests as armed thugs to exploit the populace. This drew some backlash since the Church had a supporting role in the original games and was perceived to have given Adaptational Villainy due to one of the writers' views on Christianity. However, Season 1's last episode depicts a nameless priest that is genuinely devout and helps fend off the demonic invasion by blessing water to be used against them. | |
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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The portrayal of the Catholic-esque Bajoran religion counterpoints Vedek (bishop) Winn Adami with Vedek Bareil Antos. Winn is a recurring antagonist mostly portrayed as conservative, venal, and power-hungry. Bareil is a saintly man whose Establishing Character Moment is refusing to squeeze Commander Sisko's ear between his fingers, a practice of Bajoran priests he found unpleasant as a child, and has a habit of taking Bajoran prophecies and showing that they can often be interpreted as having the complete opposite meaning from the accepted version. | |
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In The Four Gospels, Jesus accuses His opponents of being Rules Lawyers and missing the Law of Love. When they criticize him for healing a man on the Sabbath, as working on the Sabbath is against the Commandment to keep the Sabbath, Jesus responds it's never against the law to help someone. Ironically, this is originally Judaism's own and proper view - no law comes before saving a life, on the contrary it then becomes the law to disregard the other regulation - making this a case of intrareligious Judaic My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours, not interreligious difference between Judaism and Christianity. | |
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In Tales of Symphonia, the Church of Martel is quickly revealed as a Corrupt Church / Path of Inspiration, entirely set up by the Big Bad for his own purposes. It was all Yggdrasil manipulating both worlds to compete for mana so he could revive his little sister Martel, damn the consequences to anyone else. However, Martel herself after she becomes the Spirit of the World Tree is a kind and benevolent force who only wants to protect the world. | |
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The Power (2023): The convent which takes in Eve is run by Sister Veronica, a "rebel nun" who supports LGBT+ people (like Sister Maria, a trans woman), which had gotten her excommunicated by the Catholic Church. It didn't stop her, and she's now apparently set up a sect of her own to help people the Church wouldn't, currently taking in "wayward" girls who had run off or been kicked out over their developing the power. | |
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Far Cry 5: The main antagonists are a militaristic Christian terrorist cult known as the Project at Eden's Gate. Among the player's allies that opposes the them is Jerome Jeffries, a Catholic priest who used to be friends with its leader Joseph Seed before he kidnapped and brainwashed Jerome's congregation and tried to have him killed. | |
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God Himself, apparently, is very much in favor of this trope - up to the point where Paul all but outright says God likes to troll the self-righteous: | |
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Far Cry: A minor version with Longinus, the Badass Preacher and Arms Dealer in Far Cry 4. He's working with the Golden Path, one of whose co-leaders, Sabal, is a religious devotee of Kyrat's Fantasy Pantheon bordering on The Fundamentalist. Longinus himself has a rather... warped view of theology, and it shows, saying things like "What gun would Jesus use?" and naming his guns after Biblical passages. That said, if Ajay brings Sabal to power by killing Pagan Min and Sabal's partner Amita, Sabal ends up becoming a tyrant just like Pagan Min, who enforces Kyrat's worst traditions on the populace and decides to enact The Purge on anyone in Kyrat who did not follow his religion, which is likely a large percentage of Kyrat's people since Pagan Min made it an Illegal Religion. Longinus, on the other hand, is not interested in converting the Kyratis to his religion, he's just searching for blood diamonds that he sold back when he was a warlord, so that he can be The Atoner. Once Ajay finds all the diamonds for him, he thanks Ajay for his help and leaves Kyrat to find the rest of the blood diamonds. And in contrast to Sabal, Longinus never betrays Ajay. Far Cry 5: The main antagonists are a militaristic Christian terrorist cult known as the Project at Eden's Gate. Among the player's allies that opposes the them is Jerome Jeffries, a Catholic priest who used to be friends with its leader Joseph Seed before he kidnapped and brainwashed Jerome's congregation and tried to have him killed. |
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The song "The Light" by The Proclaimers is a condemnation of fundamentalists, while at the same time the singers establish, "I believe in God all right/ It's folk like you I just can't stand." | |
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The Chosen: Nicodemus cares much more about honoring God and seeking to do His will than about his own importance or societal rules and expectations. When his wife tells Nicodemus that for people to be his guests at Shabbat dinner, "it will be like sharing loaves with God Himself," he mutters, "Am I the only one hearing this?" He reassures Mary that he is "not here to enforce Jewish law," as he is concerned with learning about her redemption, not the fact that her head is uncovered. His Pharisee colleagues bristle at John the Baptizer's condemnation of them. Nicodemus doesn't care because it's a potential lead in his investigation into who cured Mary, which is much more important than their bruised egos. After witnessing Jesus heal the paralytic man, Nicodemus realizes that the established interpretation of scripture regarding the coming Messiah may have been wrong and God might be carrying out His will through this new street-preacher. His stance puts him somewhat at odds with the rest of the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin. Jesus challenges the Pharisees' overly strict, man-made rules regarding what can and cannot be done on the Sabbath by choosing that day to perform healing miracles and allow His hungry disciples to glean food from the fields to demonstrate that it is perfectly acceptable to do good and care for a soul on the Sabbath. |
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In Xenoblade Chronicles 1, Lady Meyneth is a kind and benevolent deity who only wants the best for Mechonis and Bionis. Her disciple Egil, however, thinks that she's not going far enough to defend their world and becomes the Well-Intentioned Extremist Knight Templar Heavy of the game. Note that her archrival Zanza is a stereotypical God Is Evil BECAUSE of this trope: he is fixated on creating dogma (primarily, "don't fuck off into space or you're all dead") instead of reigning over his followers because it enslaves his creations to him, rewarding them when they obey and wiping them out when they don't. According to an observer, there was a way for a god of evil and a god of good to coexist, but Zanza chose absolute control over open-minded worshipers and must be fought. The Indoline Praetorium in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is shady at best, and its leader is a Sinister Minister who believes himself to be the voice of his god. Said god, the Architect, however, is a genuinely decent deity who wants nothing to do with his corrupt preachers. The story also reveals that, because the Architect is the good half of Zanza, the wicked god of the previous game could have never been anything but completely evil. |
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The Indoline Praetorium in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is shady at best, and its leader is a Sinister Minister who believes himself to be the voice of his god. Said god, the Architect, however, is a genuinely decent deity who wants nothing to do with his corrupt preachers. The story also reveals that, because the Architect is the good half of Zanza, the wicked god of the previous game could have never been anything but completely evil. | |
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Les Misérables includes this as a part of the contrast between Valjean and Javert. Javert believes that the road to Heaven is paved with good works, and that straying from that road means you're irredeemably evil, while Valjean has experienced forgiveness and does good for the sake of doing good. Nicely summed up in their respective "I Am" Songs. | |
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Timothy/Camellia in But I'm a Cat Person spent several of his teenage years in a cult focused on one of the series' resident Mons, and as an adult considers himself a Catholic with a strong aversion to any imposition of one person's dogma beliefs on another. | |
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This is the message of Moral Orel. Despite living in a town populated with screwed-up fundamentalists, Orel hangs on to his faith in God, which allows him to find a fulfilling adulthood. | |
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The Lord of Bembibre: When Don �lvaro makes an appeal to be absolved of his vows taken when he joined the Order of the Temple, the bishops at the council of Salamanca are inclined to grant his request, since he joined the Order out of pain and spite; but the Pope's inquisitor, Aymerico, refuses to nullity them, insisting that Don �lvaro pronounced his vows voluntarily. The narrator then points out Aymerico is merely spouting excuses, since the bishops are trying to respect the Law's spirit, whereas he is driven by dogmatism and politics (being influenced by both the Infante Don Juan, who hates Don �lvaro, and the Pope, who has been ordered to screw the Templars up by the King of France). | |
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The Bible: In Old Testament times, the main problem was that people were making new (often more lenient) rules that violated the old dogma (for example, allowing idolatry), and the true prophets were standing up for the old order. In the case of idolatry, the people were not putting God before Dogma, so the true prophets had to straighten them out. God Himself, apparently, is very much in favor of this trope - up to the point where Paul all but outright says God likes to troll the self-righteous: In The Four Gospels, Jesus accuses His opponents of being Rules Lawyers and missing the Law of Love. When they criticize him for healing a man on the Sabbath, as working on the Sabbath is against the Commandment to keep the Sabbath, Jesus responds it's never against the law to help someone. Ironically, this is originally Judaism's own and proper view - no law comes before saving a life, on the contrary it then becomes the law to disregard the other regulation - making this a case of intrareligious Judaic My Rule Fu Is Stronger than Yours, not interreligious difference between Judaism and Christianity. |
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The Last of Us Part II: Abby runs into Lev, a young boy being on the run from the Seraphites, the cult he grew up in and who has named him an apostate. At first he keeps identifying with them, acts offended when Abby uses the slur 'Scars' only for Abby to point out that he is calling the people actively trying to kill him 'Us', and him conceding this point. Despite this he stay resolute in his faith to "The Prophet", regularly praying to her and quoting her teachings. When pressed on this by Abby, he explain that she preached no violence, that The Elders twisted her words and that they started mutilating and hanging people after her death! | |
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Yukariko in My-HiME. Throughout the series she constantly struggles between her devotion to God and the man she ends up falling in love with, Ishigami, who in fact goes out of his way to verbally acknowledge the fact that he's just using her to gain the power of HiME. She eventually decides to give up being a nun in favor of simply being a Good Shepherd, and at the end of the series is even shown as being pregnant with Ishigami's (who's cleaned up his act) child, scolding the other much less pious girls who took up being nuns her place. | |
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This is a recurring theme in Katherine Kurtz's Deryni novels, because members of the Christian hierarchy claim that Deryni are evil by nature (hence justifying persecuting them), but a schism eventually occurs within the Church when some clerics, led by Cardiel and Arilan, dispute this assertion. Things get complicated when some few Deryni discover they have Healing abilities and as everyone knows Christ healed. A rebel leader who has been attacking mages' estates and tenants (particularly those of a certain Deryni duke) is forced to confront this when he gets a demonstration of Healing; Cardiel [a human bishop] is there to emphasize the contrast between the religion and some of its self-styled followers. Later, a guilt-stricken and self-hating Deryni [King Kelson's mother, Queen Jehana] has her anti-Deryni religious indoctrination overcome by Deryni clerics Arilan and Father Nivard. It's important to note that the Deryni are true believers, at least in part because of the evidence of experience. They sometimes perform rituals for powerful workings that summon beings taken to be angels (and specifically named: Raphael, Gabriel, Michael and Uriel). They mostly see coloured light and fleeting impressions of wings, and of course they could be mistaken or rationalizing their experiences, but they do believe. It also helps that their powers are triggered by an altered state of consciousness akin to meditation or prayer. Human Queen Richeldis suggests that Deryni may be above ordinary humans and just below angels on the Great Chain of Being. | |
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Dogma: The whole point is that following the dogma gets you into trouble, but faith is what gets you out of it. Rufus comments that Jesus is kinda ticked off about being used to justify "Wars, slavery, televangelists", and Serendpity comments that faith is more important than belief. Add to that the fact that even the fallen angels lampshade the fact that the rules change over time and that it's the rules set down by mankind, not God, that creates the potentially world-destroying loophole. | |
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The plot of Saved!, which contrasts selfish, hypocritical belief with honest, genuine piety. | |
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The story of Sebastian Thor in the background lore of Warhammer 40,000. In the 36th Millenium, the Imperium was ruled by the mass-murdering Sinister Minister Goge Vandire in what was called the Reign of Blood. Thor was a minor preacher on a small planet who criticized Vandire's rule - which would have gotten him killed had Vandire's cronies not switched sides upon hearing Thor's sermons. It got to the point that the Imperium rose up against the tyrant Vandire, with the church he ruled later declaring him as a heretic and his female bodyguards decapitating him. Thor would go on to restructure the Ministorum, and Vandire's bodyguards formed the core of the Sisters of Battle. | |
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Mr. Deity is appalled by the contents of the Bible. | |
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In the CSI episode "Alter Boys", Grissom tells a Roman Catholic priest who suggests that he should start attending Mass again that whilst he [Grissom] believes in God, he doesn't accept the doctrine of the Church, and that too many people have died for particular interpretations of religion. Word of God confirms that this was intended as a comment on 9/11, which had recently taken place at the time the episode was made. | |
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In Dead Space, there is one, single Unitologist in the franchise who is devout in his beliefs yet a calm and reasonable person: Engineer Samuel Irons. He makes an appearance in Dead Space: Downfall helping to calm down a group of Unitologist crew members shirking their work and demanding to be allowed to worship the Marker, basically by saying "Guys, Stop Being Stereotypical, calm down, and do the work you promised in your contracts you would do. Are you civilized people or are you savages?" He does ask to be allowed to worship the Marker himself, but when told no he just smiles and walks away without complaint. He later helps fight the Necromorphs, not believing for a moment that they are the salvation that his religion has promised. | |
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Called out several times in In Nomine, where religions are mostly seen as a "human thing," given to mankind as a way to approach the God that the angels already know to worship. Even the few Archangels that explicitly prefer a particular religion (Catholicism for Laurence and Dominic, Islam for Khalid and Zadkiel) still acknowledge that worthy contributions can be made by those of other faiths. By contrast, the Demon Prince of Factions, Malphas, loves fine points of dogma ... | |
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It's ambiguous but still implied in Final Fantasy Tactics. While the main villains are members of a Corrupt Church, there are a few hints of benevolent divine intervention scattered around the game. | |
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In Sonic X: Dark Chaos, this trope is typically the primary difference between the less-evil religious characters and the really evil religious characters in general. However, since the author despises religion, it's depressingly rare. Jesus in particular embodies this trope — which isn't all that different from his biblical depiction. Most of his fellow Angels avert this though. | |
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The Books of Ember: Nickie rejects the absurd restrictions set by Mrs. Beeson on behalf of The Prophet of Yonwood, but she still believes that God is good and would honor people's differences instead of marginalizing them. | |
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In Dragon Age II, Good Shepherd and Badass Preacher Sebastian will take this view if he's convinced to side with the Mages: stating that Andraste and the Maker don't want their Chantry to be used to imprison and torture the magic-users of the world. | |
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The New Order Last Days Of Europe: Two Russian warlords serve as the Foil to one another; the "Blessed Regent" in Komi and "The Father" in the wastes of Siberia. Both of them are Walking Spoilers (hence why their actual names weren't noted yet) so get ready for a big spoiler tag. "The Father" is Alexander Men, a priest that seeks to emulate Jesus Christ. He leads the Divine Mandate, a group of egalitarian communes founded on Christ's teaching of charity regardless of class, ethnicity, sex, or even religion, and believes the lack of this to be Russia's problem. The "Blessed Regent" is Sergey Taboritsky, a politician who seeks to model his country after Nazi Germany. He believes the only way to save Russia is through purging it of anyone who doesn't fit his very high standards, so God can bring back the Tsars to rule a Holy Russian Empire. Safe to say they both have radically different understandings of the same religion. Should the two meet each other, Men will denounce Taboritsky as The Antichrist in a special event - special interactions between specific Russian warlords are a rarity, so you know this conflict is serious. | |
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Ciaphas Cain: Cain is normally flippant of religion, disdainful of "Emperor-botherers" for making a nuisance of themselves. He claims that the Emperor has better things to do than look after him specifically (which is why he puts so much effort into it himself), and while it's usually treated as a joke, it's implied more than once that he earnestly believes it. In particular, he often quotes from one specific book of religious philosophy, and is pissed when a villain mangles a quote from that same book to justify his crimes. | |
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Family Guy: In the episode "Holy Crap", Peter's father Francis is a self-righteous, intolerant, fanatical Catholic. His distortion of Catholicism is contrasted with The Pope himself, who is painted as far more reasonable and accepting. | |
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Small Gods has Om discovering that his "followers" believe in the organization, hierarchs, high exquisitors, prophetic texts, rituals... anything but Om himself. Since Gods Need Prayer Badly, this means he ended up starved into near-oblivion by his own church and doesn't even have enough juice to perform the only miracle he wants now — which is, obviously, braining the guy currently responsible for this state of affairs. It's implied that this is a common fate for Gods in the Discworld, made worse because they care about the prayers more than the people doing the praying; they're uncaring, indifferent and arrogant about their followers and the religions they create, meaning that all kinds of horrible systems, institutions and atrocities get created in their name... which means that people lose faith in the Gods but keep the institutions going out of fear, leading to the Gods getting starved of faith while being trapped within the same religions that are starving them and unable to adapt into a new form that might sustain them (the prevalence of Odd Job Gods in The 'Verse is hinted to be because less powerful but smarter Gods instead adopt forms and beliefs that may give them less power but enable them to more easily evolve when belief systems change). | |
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In Tales of the Abyss, the Order of Lorelei started out as a Saintly Church founded by Yulia Jue, who is basically a gender-swapped Jesus. Fast-forward to the present day and it's become very corrupt - with its leaders perfectly happy to let the world fall into ruin Because Destiny Says So. As it happens, this is not what Yulia or the Sentience she worshipped - Lorelei - wanted. Their use of recording the Score, the prophecy that dictates fate, was not to control humanity but to show the world that the planet was going to end if it followed the Score to the letter. As such, the heroes and the villains end up working together (in different ways) to create a world of free will. The heroes do this so well that, in the ending, Lorelei praises the protagonist. | |
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In Chris Crutcher's novel Staying Fat for Sarah Byrnes, the liberal Rev. Ellerby is contrasted with the uptight and hypocritical Christian Mark Brittain. | |
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Tyrant (2014): Season 3 introduces a moderate Islamic faction aiming to elect their own candidate in the upcoming presidential election of Abbudin that opposes both the Al-Fayeed dictatorship that has reigned for decades and the radical insurgency led by the Army of the Caliphate. | |
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