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In fighting manga/anime, superhero comics, and kung fu movies, characters are often stronger and tougher than any normal person has the right to be. This makes for more interesting concepts because it automatically limits the field of people who can deal with a particular problem, forcing our heroes into the fray. But when this concept is taken to its logical extreme, you end up with a new problem: You have no clue who is winning. When two supercharged beings hit each other with enough force to shatter a brick wall, but can take it because they are Nigh Invulnerable, we have no way of knowing if the blow was significant or not. The character may reel, but after a moment he's back in the fight as if it had never happened. This is easy to accept at first, but if the fight goes on too long, you start getting lost, and the end of the fight becomes somewhat anti-climactic, since — unless the writer finds an elegant way to make the fight's conclusion clearly decisive — it's just an exchange of blows until one of them randomly takes a blow seemingly no different than any other and collapses. This can be especially damaging to the Willing Suspension of Disbelief when the Sorting Algorithm of Evil is in play: you never get to personally witness the assured growth in potency of the heroes and villains alike. You know this is occurring when you, J. Random Viewer, have no idea which moves are supposed to be the killer unbeatable finishers and which are just throwaway moves and desperation attacks; or who has the advantage and who's on the ropes. It's almost like the combatants are fighting not to win, but to entertain and impress some invisible audience of spectators. But that would be silly, right? The visual interpretation of combat in most Video Games follows this trope to a T. In many, characters literally show no signs of weakening (with perhaps the exception of a weakened pose when they drop to a certain number of Hit Points) but this rarely causes any decrease in power. Until you suffer a Critical Existence Failure, you're just as effective as you ever were. This is acceptable in video games because it allows for a lot of combat in the game without having the hero party mend their wounds for a week after each fight, lest they become increasingly ineffective against a large supply of monsters that are only ever encountered with full hit points. Plus video games usually have a visible health bar so you know what attacks are doing the most damage and how much more the hero can take. Obviously, the breaking point on this can be a bit subjective. When one side is getting all the damage and you still are wondering (slightly nauseated) how much more he can take, the trope is No-Holds-Barred Beatdown. See also My Kung-Fu Is Stronger Than Yours, Only a Flesh Wound, and Rasputinian Death. Contrast Combat Breakdown, which often happens as both fighters tire out or wear down. |
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Features quite often in Zero with the titular character participating in some really brutal fights over the course of the series. One notable instance involves Zero fighting a retired agent on a rooftop, before giving chase and involving some Car Fu, going back to a fistfight after their cars crash, Zero getting stabbed in the eye, and ending with Zero slamming a car door repeatedly at his target's head. | |
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The first two episodes of DEATH BATTLE! solidly averted this trope as both combatants had a Life Meter, making it not only quite obvious who was winning, but also why, as you could visually compare a fighter's Life Meter before and after his/her opponent's attacks. The third episode onward dropped the life meters and this trope has been played straight ever since. Though there is occasional blood, fighters rarely show any visible damage (this even applies to their clothes), and more often than not take extremely powerful blows throughout the fight yet walk away at the end like nothing ever happened. Some aversions/subversions: In Akuma vs. Shang Tsung, though little visible damage is seen on either fighter's body, both fighters come from games where Critical Existence Failure is in full effect; if you look at the winner's Life Meter, he was actually on the brink of death at the end of the fight. Boba Fett vs. Samus Aran, being the other match with a Life Meter for each fighter, was in a similar situation as Akuma vs. Shang Tsung, with the Life Meter making it clear the winner was pretty beaten up. In Fox McCloud vs. Bucky O'Hare, Fox loses his robotic legs to a bomb. Guts manages to survive a lot of painful punishment from Nightmare — a kick, followed by a lightning sword uppercut, then a Sphere of Destruction that causes him to fly and slam against a tree. After Nightmare transforms into Night Terror, Guts tanks three Eye Beams (enough to finish off any normal Soul Calibur fighter), one of which slams him against a tree, an impalement by Soul edge followed by an explosion that flings him against a rock, and a wall of flames. He survives all that. Guts only resorts to using the Berserker Armor when confronted by Inferno's literal inferno. Terminator vs. Robocop is perhaps the only death battle to invoke significant amounts of Combat Breakdown. Terminator's human skin is burned off and he later loses his entire lower body, while Robocop has an arm and a leg disabled from plasma rifle shots. |
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Angel vs. Spike in "Destiny", anyone? And for that matter, Buffy vs. Faith in "Graduation Day - Part 1". Despite this both fights end in a climatic way - Spike beats Angel after stabbing him on the shoulder with a stake and Buffy beats Faith after stabbing her in the stomach with a knife. Discussed trope after the events of "Destiny". Angel comments that the reason Spike won was resolve: Spike wanted it more. Spike in general has a tendency to do this. He starts off being beaten around by virtually everything, then wins the fight in a short space of time. E.G., fighting against that fire-fisted demon to regain his soul, he was being destroyed before suddenly gaining the upper hand and snapping the guy's neck. |
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Mounty Oum's Haloid had somewhat realistic levels of combat, given that the two combatants were wearing armor that would rival a 50-ton tank. However, his follow-up series Dead Fantasy has characters taking insane amounts of damage and just getting up for more. In addition to the random pummeling and slashing, the most notable moments were Kasumi taking a bullet to the chest and just getting knocked down for a bit and Tifa taking an axe to her exposed midriff and not even flinching (although she did get knocked back about twenty feet). | |
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Naruto normally does a decent job of avoiding this since most characters focus more on avoiding hits than taking them and even the strongest enemy can't just sit there and take things like knives without flinching, but several fights stand out, particularly the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke right before the filler. It's pretty much a fight to see who can get up more times from a rock-shattering blow. Later 6-Tails Naruto vs. Pain's last animated corpse has the only real indication of who was winning being who had to rely on their Superpowered Evil Side first, with the whole fight escalating until they were both using all that they could. Then it ended after one attack. Sasuke and Naruto's second climactic fight at the end of the manga one-ups their first, especially on Naruto's side. Sasuke literally starts screaming at him to fall already. |
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Lampshaded by 8-Bit Theater in this comic. | |
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Scott Pilgrim's world runs on video game physics and is also fuelled by anime logic. Scott himself has been kicked in the chest through wallpaper, levitated through 3 brick walls, and thrown towards a castle and just sort of brushed them all off. Both the comic and movie shows Scott getting knocked out by Lucas Lee after a good hit and still ends up ok. The Free Comic Book Day story gives the general explanation that he's much tougher than the regular human because he obsessively picks foods because they too, run on video game logic. The movie also shows that each character has their own health bars, with Scott's being a vertical Life Meter at 64 points (which is also stylized after River City Ransom Life Meter's) shown together with a few other stats to the left, and an ambiguous stat bar surrounding him in a circle. Meanwhile Gideon's is a more straightforward Life Meter that only goes down when Scott and Knives take him both on. The general consensus seems to be that K.O.'s only happen when one runs out of health points and are actually knocked out and mortal wounds that would kill a normal body are insta-kills, despite their Nigh-Invulnerability... Emotional damage is also an insta-kill as well, as Scott blew up a guy by saying his hair looked stupid and he caused Roxy to have an orgasm, which blew her up. | |
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The original incarnation of the Phoenix Saga had the X-Men fighting a team of Shi'ar champions as a means of Trial by Combat for Jean Grey. As Gladiator, the leader of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, faces off against the also invulnerable and super-strong Colossus, the narration lampshades this trope poetically; the two are described as titans, each one all but invulnerable, with blows so powerful that the match isn't decided by their combat prowess, but instead by the abandoned city collapsing around them due to the incidental structural damage they are causing. After several massive buildings fall on them both, Gladiator is just a little more invincible (probably because his powers are psionically fueled by willpower and devotion to his cause) but he pulls the defeated Colossus out of the rubble rather than leaving him to die. | |
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Generally averted in The Dresden Files for humans. Harry can put out a hell of a lot of damage but is human underneath it. Played straight with most of the big, supernatural enemies that Harry faces, as well as Cowl, who's currently one of the biggest bads in the series. | |
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Tennyo vs. the Arch-Fiend, in the story Boston Brawl of the Whateley Universe. It just keeps escalating, and they just keep healing up, all the way until a building falls on them. They both get up from it but the Arch-Fiend is out of energy, and Tennyo is just pissed off. In this case, it's an intentional God-Mode Sue since the writer is attempting a Deconstruction. Averted with Sara, who has similar regeneration abilities. Getting cut in half meant she was pretty much doomed and needed to eat FAST. Fortunately, some minions are nearby. |
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This is played painfully straight in Devil Hunter Yohko: each of the demons is assuredly stronger than its predecessor, but when they're functionally identically sacks of muscle and claw, this is only apparent to the viewer when the protagonists give up earlier than before after going through a Strictly Formula battle scene before the My Name Is Inigo Montoya moment. | |
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In World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs the main tank is often required to be hit by enemies so powerful, a single blow would likely slay almost any other player. The tank is required to endure these colossal hits by the hundred and is only able to do so by being extremely powerful and the subject of his own personal battery of healing spellcasters. The result of this can be that if a healer mistimes a spell or runs out of mana, a tank can be suddenly killed by an attack which previously appeared inconsequential. | |
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On a similar note: Superman: Doomsday. The titular characters go at it in Metropolis, relentlessly beating on each other, though Superman seems to get the worst of it until the end. | |
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Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay has a system where characters have Hit Points called Wounds, and when they run out of Wounds the next hit automatically becomes a 'critical hit' which inflicts a penalty on the character instead of losing them further wounds. However, you roll for the effect of a critical hit, and most critical hit effects are not lethal. This means that in a battle between two characters out of Wounds, the next hit might be fatal to either of them... Or, with bad rolls, each can suffer a multitude of non-fatal critical hits and keep the battle going note later editions of the game would streamline this by a) denying critical hits to 'minion' opponents, who just die when out of Wounds, and b) by having damage from attacks and the number of previous criticals suffered add to the roll, meaning you're much more likely to die after one or two good hits. | |
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In chapter 87 of Claymore, we see a claymore who is seemingly curbstomping Isley : she cuts him with a BFS, nearly destroy half of his body without being injured... then we see her thought and realise that the situation is exactly the opposite, it's Isley who is winning this battle. | |
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The almost unknown RPG "Ammo" (only published in Italy) uses 16 different stats for a character. Half of these are used both as normal stats (like Strength for damage, or Agility for dodges) and as life points: damages are randomly distributed amongst stats, reducing them. A very wounded character is highly inefficient, except for magic users that have little use for physical stats anyway. | |
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Bond and Trevelyan's fight at the end of GoldenEye. | |
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Lexxus had some doubters when she qualified for a shot at WSU champion Mercedes Martinez in a particularly cowardly way but gained a lot of respect when the two preceded to go seventy-three minutes, resulting in the longest women's bout ever recorded...to that point. Martinez would beat her record while beating Tessa Blanchard for The Phoenix Of Rise in seventy five minutes. | |
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Rocky IV: Ivan Drago managed to kill Apollo Creed with one of his punches, and Rocky is still able to hold him off for ten minutes screen time before his "come-from-behind" win. | |
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Exalted, which uses a similar system, does have this problem with high-powered exalts fighting. Since raising your damage is much easier than raising your resistance to damage, and perfect dodges and parries are cheap and reliable, most fights between non-lunar celestials are utterly bloodless until one runs out of juice and is summarily splattered all over by the opponent's Ultimate Doom-combo. This is even worse since you don't necessarily know how much juice your opponent has left. | |
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When Superman fights Mongul in For the Man Who Has Everything, the narration states that they are both getting hurt from the other's attacks, but the reader has no clear way of telling who's getting the worst of it. The fight ultimately ends with Batman managing to get Mongul ensnared by the Black Mercy. | |
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Metalcrafters and the Vord Queen are this in Codex Alera. In a more horrific sort of way, so are the Taken and the Kalaran slave legions. |
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In Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, the final fight between Ocelot and Snake is this. Both beat each other down time after time after time and yet both of them keep getting back on their feet. This is also sort of a callback to Metal Gear Solid (the first with the word "Solid" in the title), where Liquid Snake, who Liquid Ocelot is a doppelganger of, simply won't die. You actually fight him a total of four times - five if you're counting both halves of the REX battle. |
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Superman versus the agents of Zod in Superman II. Exactly how much does being punched through a skyscraper hurt Superman? Incidentally, this is why the tense moment at the end of that fight when Superman is believed to be dead completely fails to fool the audience since by that point we've seen him go through worse and barely acknowledge it. | |
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Mutants & Masterminds does the same thing in that wounds and bruises affected your ability to take further damage. An optional rule (usually invoked for Iron Age games) stipulates that all rolls suffer a penalty. Taking a significant enough blow can leave you stunned, staggered, unconscious, disabled, or dying (specific states that hamper your actions). | |
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Tekken 7's Final Battle is a Duel to the Death between Heihachi and Kazuya. Both are frequently sent careening through solid rock and landing incredibly hard on the ground, getting up as if it barely fazed them, and it eventually culminates in both of them, having gone through Combat Breakdown, repeatedly hitting each other increasingly harder until Heihachi drops dead. | |
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Dungeons & Dragons has a rarely-used optional rule: The Clobbered rule. Taking half your hit points in physical (non-magical) damage, total, in a single round, reduces your ability to act in the next round. However, since no-one uses that rule, most of the time D&D uses the traditional Critical Existence Failure rule. The D&D Miniatures game follows the RPG's lead. Most creatures have to make a morale roll after losing half their Hit Points or run off the battlefield. Otherwise, there's no difference between being at full HP or nearly dead. By contrast, games like Hero Clix or Mage Knight have characters get progressively weaker (and lose special abilities) as they take damage. |
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The Mortal Kombat series has been notorious for this, however Mortal Kombat 9 takes it up a notch. Since the character models have been designed with painstaking detail to show the damage inflicted on their bodies, both external and internal, expect to see a lot of fighters look like they've packed up for a trip to the morgue before the end of the first round. Particularly nasty are the characters who break their backs, crack open their skulls or lose an eyelid when busted up. Yes, their eye is just barely hanging there completely exposed. | |
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Sin City characters are generally hard to put down. Marv is probably the main offender. In his original story, he gets run over with a car multiple times in a row, gets beaten by a Serial Killer, and is still perfectly healthy enough to fight an entire SWAT team of federal agents... all in the span of one night. Cardinal Roark even mentioned how hard he was to stop. | |
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In Black Lagoon, Revy and Roberta end up settling their differences in a fistfight that ends up being a very good example of this trope. The end result is a draw by Cross Counter (although Roberta isn't knocked out, which technically makes her the winner). | |
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Ultimate Muscle. Sure, that "Ultimate Muscle" power can account for a sudden comeback, and the protagonist's sheer Heroic Resolve probably counts for something... but somewhere around the third time he gets thrashed until he can barely stand up, only to start fighting back a few minutes later with renewed energy, it just gets ridiculous. Hell, that's nothing. In the original Kinnikuman 's tag-team arc, Terryman gets impaled by floor tiles decorated with swords twice. The first time is painful, but the second time is bad enough to kill him. He gets better. |
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Heroic Age is essentially about super-huge reptilian monster things called Nodos that can (and do) destroy small moons with a single attack. This overwhelming power really makes itself apparent when two Nodos are engaged in battle for over 300 hours. That's nearly two weeks of pummeling each other over and over again with enough force to rend a small celestial body in half. And near the climax of the fight, neither one seems any worse for the wear. | |
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The Rock 'n' Roll Express, being the Trope Namers for Ricky Morton, were naturals for this trope. Announcer Bob Caudle more or less asked this during the RNRs-Andersons cage match at NWA Starrcade 86. | |
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Batman has also suffered phenomenal physical trauma and kept going. | |
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Robot Combat League's final is what you get when two Stone Walls crash: By the second round the two were completely trashed, smoking and overheating to the point they couldn't clean the bot's feet because the alcohol caught on fire, and with plenty of lost and reattached limbs as well. They went five rounds, by the way, and the end result was incredibly close. | |
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In Street Fighter II V Ken's fight with Vega has him bleeding profusely from multiple wounds and getting both his feet impaled and broken, but he still manages to defeat Vega. | |
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Averted in the fight between Xanatos and Oberon in Gargoyles. Oberon begins the battle by growing to enormous size, and every attack that lands on him drains his energy, making him shrink slightly. Meanwhile, Oberon manages to disable one after another of Xanatos' weapons and allies as the fight goes on, making it visibly a battle of attrition. | |
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Basically the default form of combat in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. It demonstrates how well video-game-style fights translate to a non-video-game medium: Not well. This is averted in Advent Children Complete. Many scenes were revised and fights now show battle damage. |
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Champions uses two stats; Body and Stun. An attack that inflicts Body damage has actually injured the character; enough injury results in the character's death. Stun damage can leave the character dazed (lose an action) or result in the character becoming unconscious. | |
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In The Prince of Tennis, Kabaji and Kawamura's match in the Hyoutei arc is literally like this. And it WAS a part of Kawamura's Batman Gambit, who since the beginning wanted to force Kabaji into a draw. To some degree, also Kawamura's match against Gin Ishida. And it worked too... but pretty much by fluke. | |
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Superman: Unless Superman is being screwed over by kryptonite, red sunlight, or magic, there's a good chance Superman will will shrug off practically any hit takes. At best, his opponent will usually do little more than get him to admit he actually felt it. And even when he's facing planet busters and other foes with a similar Super Weight that can actually do legit harm to him, he'll often keep going and going unless the plot suddenly needs him to take an L. When Superman fights Mongul in For the Man Who Has Everything, the narration states that they are both getting hurt from the other's attacks, but the reader has no clear way of telling who's getting the worst of it. The fight ultimately ends with Batman managing to get Mongul ensnared by the Black Mercy. |
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It's a good thing people read/watch Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo for the humor, because the bizarre fighting styles make it almost impossible to tell what moves are supposed to be powerful enough to finish off an opponent. (In early episodes, it was usually by following up a particularly confusing sequence with a direct nose hair attack.) | |
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The Spectacular Spider-Man's fights, while indeed fitting the "spectacular" label, tend to fall into this - Spidey will get thrashed around for most of the battle, and only finally start to visibly slow down when it's time for the climax. | |
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Temporal Anomaly: In order to settle things between them once and for all before the new regime of Midgard arrives, Zero and One lay their weapons down and engage in good old fist a cuffs, with them delivering a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown to each other throughout the entire fight as they curse and insult each other. Suprisingly enough for this trope, it ends with them actually managing to find common ground and going on to reconcil with each other. | |
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Pretty much every one of Kenichi's major opponents is astounded by his ridiculous ability to get up time after time. | |
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Pretty much the only way to tell if a blow is a 'finishing' one in the One Piece manga if it is a two-page spread that shows the person actively getting pummeled. People may still get up after this, but you know those moves meant something. The most severe example of this would have to be the fight between Luffy and Rob Lucci; by the end, Luffy was unable to even move and Lucci was in a coma. One Piece has also fallen into this thanks to its "Whitebeard pirates VS marines" battle: when a large number of characters have been shot, stabbed and still getup, and each of these characters have unique superpowers you need to pay attention to it's really difficult to decide which side is winning. As a whole, the 'theme' of the Marineford arc seems to have been 'everyone loses except Blackbeard' |
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Robot combat (real ones—think BattleBots and Robot Wars) in The New '10s has adopted advancements in technology resulting in robots so well-armored, so sturdy, that powerful blows might not look like it due to the robot getting hit barely even reacting and showing no visible damage other than paint scratches. Where the armor used to be mostly aluminum and stainless steel, now they're made of titanium and AR400 steel.note This is the sort of steel used to armor tanks and used in heavy-duty industrial mining. It got to where some of the Cold Opens in the 2018 BattleBots season had the commentators demonstrate how powerful these weapons actually are by having them attack normal, everyday objects to show the force they actually carry. For instance, the Pulverizer hammer is 100 pounds (about 45 kilograms) and is shown to smash a VCR into shards in one hit, even though the robots have such good defense that the hammer just bounces off ineffectively. | |
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The (anti-)climactic fight scene in They Live! where Nada and Frank spend a good five minutes pummelling each other in a parking lot. Given they're fighting on a concrete surface you'd probably expect broken bones by the minute mark, never mind when they start with the suplexes. | |
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The World of Darkness games track "health levels", with descriptions of what each means (Bruised is the first level of damage, for example). The more damage you take, the greater the penalties to your rolls; once you're down to one level left, you can barely walk. | |
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Man of Steel also has this in spades, with the superpowered Kryptonians brawling all throughout the climax without any real injury. | |
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This is also sort of a callback to Metal Gear Solid (the first with the word "Solid" in the title), where Liquid Snake, who Liquid Ocelot is a doppelganger of, simply won't die. You actually fight him a total of four times - five if you're counting both halves of the REX battle. | |
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New Japan Pro-Wrestling, Antonio Inoki defeated Masa Saito in an hour and twenty-five minute Island Death Match, that indeed had people asking the question. | |
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Clannad After Story has a fight that lasts from dawn until after dark in episode 8. | |
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Heavy Rain averts this to the point that quite a few of the injuries the 4 heroes receive last the entire game. It's quite obvious when the player is failing too many QTEs. | |
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The Dio Brando-versus-Joutarou Kujou Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part 3 is perhaps one of the most overlooked examples (WRYYYYYYYY and the steamroller eclipse it, but are aspects of it). The sequence danced gleefully into this territory (STEAMROLLER) and never left until the battle was over. Not only do you get Jojo and Dio trying to out-beatdown one another, but you also get them trying to outsmart, and eventually out-TIMESTOP one another, culminating in a simultaneous-punches-connect-simultaneously that holds off the conclusion JUST LONG ENOUGH... | |
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Game of Thrones: The brutal battle between Brienne and Sandor is so savage it becomes this for awhile. Then one of them gains an advantage and a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown ensues. | |
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Spider-Man: In his long superhero career, Spider-Man has been on the receiving end of beatdowns and suffered a great deal of pain during them, but on the count of his never-give-up spirit, he just keeps on fighting and fighting until he finds a way to win. | |
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Happens between Shirou and Kotomine Kirei in the finale of the Heaven's Feel route of Fate/stay night, while both of them are virtually dead, nonetheless - Kirei's heart was destroyed by Sakura two days ago, and Shirou is all but overtaken/corrupted by Archer's arm, which is quite literally turning his body into swords because he used its projection capacities. The fight is basically two walking corpses brutally beating each other to death. Shirou wins, but only because Kirei's time runs out first, just as he's about to kill him. Shirou (possibly) follows suit under a minute later, though, and the Tear Jerker ending expands on this concept... And a route before that in Unlimited Blade Works, we have Shirou vs. Archer. Outclassed in skill and power, has a broken arm, a broken leg, shattered fingers, is bleeding profusely, and is much to his opponent's surprise, still able to parry and attack. |
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Both of The Raid films' end with this for both sides. The first final fight contains twenty-five instances of someone getting slammed to the ground. And about half as many instances of someone getting kicked square in the face. | |
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In Digital Devil Saga 2, by the end of the scene with Cielo's death, he's singlehandedly taken out 3 jets and missiles, all while having his limbs torn off and blood pouring out. | |
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Shadowrun uses a two stat wound tracking system - lethal and nonlethal damage. Characters accumulate ever greater penalties to all actions as those tracks fill up. | |
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A beatdown of this sort happens between the two Rival Protagonists in the last few minutes of the final episode of the anime s-CRY-ed. It winds up being far more brutal than anything the villains ever put them through, — almost offputtingly so. | |
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The Punisher regularly suffers injuries that would render a normal man utterly comatose, if not dead. This is because he is Made of Iron. Once in the MAX series, a shotgun blast blew one of his ribs clean out (!) and he kept on fighting. | |
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Neo and Smith's final confrontation in The Matrix Revolutions goes on for at least 10 minutes with both not really showing that any of the battle is affecting them until the very end. | |
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A TV-Y example: During the battle between Twilight and Tirek in the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode Twilight's Kingdom Part 2, the two are evenly matched. Being TV-Y, its considerably downplayed as the two show no signs of injury or wear afterward. | |
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Ring of Honor decided once decided to put its own time limit to the test. The result? Austin Aries pinned Bryan Danielson after seventy-five minutes! Now you know why it cuts off at an hour. | |
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Face/Off: You would think that getting stabbed by a butterfly knife (and twist to make sure the wound won't close) would be enough to stop Castor Troy. No? How about a Harpoon to the gut? Still going? These guys didn't even slow down despite receiving wounds that at the very least should have made them limp. | |
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The D&D Miniatures game follows the RPG's lead. Most creatures have to make a morale roll after losing half their Hit Points or run off the battlefield. Otherwise, there's no difference between being at full HP or nearly dead. By contrast, games like Hero Clix or Mage Knight have characters get progressively weaker (and lose special abilities) as they take damage. | |
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Taken to the extreme in the Grand Finale, where the fight between Superman and Darkseid goes on for far too long and is mostly Darkseid smacking the crap out of Superman, with several blows that look like they should be devastating - one looks like it'd break Superman's back! - but don't noticeably affect his ability to fight in any way. What makes this even crazier is that it seems like Batman - yes, Batman - tries to mix it up with Darkseid, and because of this trope, it seems like his jump-kick is about as effective as Superman. And after enduring this horrific, brutal abuse from a stronger-than-ever Darkseid for the entire episode, Superman gets up, shrugs it off, comes up with the "No More Holding Back" Speech and a Moment of Awesome...but the comeback doesn't even last as long as it took him to get through the speech, when he's interrupted by a device that puts him in as much pain as is physically possible, and that ends the fight. | |
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The Chronicles of Riddick (2004), in the final duel; except that rather than showing no signs of weakening, Riddick seems to keep leaping back from You Can Barely Stand to full strength. This may be justified, as it happens right after he sees his daughter-figure murdered, and it was established in Pitch Black that things like this make him a little psychotic (like the death of Carolyn.) | |
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Chris Hero destroyed the notion that the promotion was only for Garbage Wrestlers when he defeated CM Punk for the IWA Mid-South Heavyweight Championship in a two out of three falls bout that went ninety-two minutes. | |
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Unlike the game series it's based on, Pokémon: The Series is generally able to avoid Critical Existence Failure as it has more freedom to visibly depict a Pokémon's condition as a battle goes on. This combined with the relatively fast pace of most battles allows the anime to avert this trope usually. But there are still many occasions where battles drag out with none of the combatants appearing to be close to fainting despite getting hit with multiple attacks, even powerful or super-effective ones that should lead to K.O. It can get so bad that sometimes, one Pokémon can land many strong moves that are clearly damaging, on the opponent without K.O'ing them yet get hit by one and be down for the count. It's especially common in knockout battles involving more than 1 Pokémon or battles between super strong trainers and Pokémon. And it's all but guaranteed to kick in during scuffles between Legendary Pokémon. | |
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In Yu-Gi-Oh! The Dark Side of Dimensions, after three physically exhausting duels against Aigami and Kaiba in a row, one of which is a Shadow Game, Yugi finally reaches his limit and is about to lose until Atem saves him. | |
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The old Alternity system had four stats for wound tracking. Damage in some of them came with associated penalties to all actions; damage in others didn't. | |
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Hajime no Ippo: Ippo is notable for three things, strength (he punches way above his weight class), stamina, and an iron will. In a long bout, this trope is very much in evidence, as Ippo just never gives up, and can take a lot of punishment. The scariest thing for his opponents, after the intensity in his eyes, is that his punches just don't die. | |
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GURPS notes shock penalties for each hit (pain from being struck), crippling damage (broken bones or joints) and has penalties causing by losing too much HP. | |
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Negima! Magister Negi Magi normally made sure to emphasize the character's mortality during combat (such as things like sharpened stone spears being fatal like they should be). Then the match between Negi & Kotaro against Kagetaro & Rakan came about and threw all that out the window. The match started with Rakan being pummeled by magically-enforced punches moving at over lightning speed, being driven into the ground with a concentrated blast of tropical squall-level winds, then culminating in being at the center of an explosion of lightning with enough heat to vapourize small mountains. He got back up. Then proceeded to beat the person who did it to him with punches of enough strength to kill high-level dragons and shatter large sections of earth. (Supposedly, by this point, his organs should've been turned to mush; High-Pressure Blood from the Mouth was in order). On Kotaro's end, he was stabbed through his arms, legs, and torso, then later got slashed at several key points on his body by a lot of BFSs, ultimately being impaled through his back-to-chest with a sword larger than his head. His answer? Really good Healing Factor. The person who stabbed him? Got pinned to a wall with Anti-Magic BFSs. At the end, both Negi and Rakan ended up running out of magic before they took down the other guy, so they ended up engaging in Good Old Fisticuffs. At that point, they both fainted from exhaustion. Of course, Rakan is essentially physics, magic, and logic-defying power distilled into human form, so this kind of thing is really to be expected from him. From Negi, however... |
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Interestingly, in the PDQ system this is the only way damage is tracked at all - damage is taken directly off of your skills and you lose the fight when you have none left. | |
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Burning Wheel has a wound meter, but rather than filling up with damage, you just mark each hit under how much incapacitation it inflicts. It's actually very difficult to land a killing blow; most combat ends when one fighter's will breaks and he flees or surrenders, but between strong-willed fighters, they can keep going until one is so penalized by wounds that he can't move. | |
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Dissidia Final Fantasy features leads and antagonists of most of the Final Fantasy series duking it out with Brave attacks (that merely strengthen the attacker's next attack and weaken the opponent's) and HP ones (that actually deal damage), both featuring sharp weaponry and explosive magic. While all of the characters involved are inhumanly tough, strong and agile, there is no in-game explanation why one kind of a seemingly deadly charging slash can wound, while another just discourages the enemy. | |
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How Family Guy's Peter vs. Giant Chicken fights tend to go, although they accumulate at least cosmetic injuries over the course of the fight. It helps that they're all played for laughs and pretty much happening for no reason anyway. | |
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Saiyans in general seem to have very durable bodies. Goku had all his limbs broken or disabled and was still able to beat King Piccolo and Piccolo. He also got beaten so badly by King Piccolo that his heart stopped and restarted on its own. He got hit multiple times in pressure points and got up after a few seconds with only minor pain. When Goku and Raditz were hit by Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon it took Goku several minutes to die despite having a giant hole in his chest (or a giant burn mark in the Kai version). Piccolo had to crush Raditz's head in to kill him quickly since, hole or no hole, he was still able to talk and brag. Goku got pummeled to a pulp by Frieza for several episodes and still had the endurance to become Super Saiyan without fainting, something that is supposed to be highly exhausting the first time. Not to mention, Gohan got his freaking neck broken and was still alive. | |
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Of course, seeing as it's based off Dragon Ball Z, Super Mario Bros. Z is a big offender. The worst was probably the Team Mario/Axem Rangers X/Koopa Bros. melee. Can anyone truly say that Axem Yellow's hammer attack he performed on Sonic, should have left Sonic with no problem? That still does not stop the fights from being FREAKING AWESOME. Then there's Axem Red slashing the shit out of Mario with his axe (doing seemingly little damage, if any at all) while both Green and Black were killed by a single axe swipe later. Not to mention Mecha Sonic being able to soak up a ton of attacks from various sources, yet being knocked out of his Nigh Invulnerable Super Mode by Collision Damage Mario and Sonic sharing Starman. |
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Most hardcore matches tend to go like this, but Mick Foley has made a career out of it. The majority of a Foley match will consist of the opponent hitting him with everything he has (finishers, chairs, tables, ladders, announce tables, thumbtacks, 2x4's, barbed wire, slams through Hell in a Cell cages), after which Foley inexplicably takes control of the match, until his opponent hits something completely off-the-charts (like spears through flaming tables) to get the win. | |
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Rurouni Kenshin, the battle between Sanosuke and Monk Anji has the two trading Futai no Kiwami blows, each supposed to be able to pulverize rocks into dust. The final blow? Sano develops the succession move to the Futai no Kiwami on the spot. Kenshin acknowledges that neither fighter should be on their feet and that it is their will and not their bodies keeping them up, and after Sano wins the fight, he is the one in need of medical attention and is out of commission for some time because the repeated blows almost killed him. This happens a little later in Kenshin's final battle with Shishioh, after taking multiple hits from Kenshin's ultimate technique and being struck directly in the face by a Futai no Kiwami. Eventually, it ends with Shishio helpless on the ground, being protected by Yumi whom he takes advantage of by stabbing her to seriously wound Kenshin. With both of them on the ground, various members of the team states that the first one to get up will win easily, as the other will be helpless. Kenshin totally collapses, bleeding out, and Shishio manages to stand, maniacally cackling as he thinks he's won before bursting into flames (his body heat became so intense that it caused the fats and oils in his blood to ignite, as he has no sweat glands). Holy shit. |
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In one of the later ElfQuest stories there's an entire chapter in which Cutter and Rayek settle their ancient grudge by beating the crap out of each other in the troll caverns. At first, they're just using fists and feet, but as the fight goes on it escalates to the point where they're bashing each other with huge chunks of rock. Even when Rayek is half-dead from all the punishment he refuses to give up, telling Cutter that he "hasn't had enough". Actually there's method in his madness - what Rayek means is that Cutter hasn't had enough revenge yet. He knows the only way he can ever settle the quarrel once and for all is by letting Cutter almost kill him. | |
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The climax of Max Barry's Machine Man. Man in the Machine Dr. Charles Neumann vs. the crazed Cyborg Carl the ex-security guard. Both take quite a beating (that does no small amount of property damage) with no sign of who's winning before Neumann blasts Carl to smithereens with his BFG Arm Cannon. | |
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Mike in Half in the Bag criticizes Sucker Punch for using this trope. In the dream world, the protagonists never show signs of being hurt, taking any suspense out of the fight scenes. | |
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Hell, that's nothing. In the original Kinnikuman 's tag-team arc, Terryman gets impaled by floor tiles decorated with swords twice. The first time is painful, but the second time is bad enough to kill him. He gets better. | |
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In the first story of the Facing the Future Series, Dark Danny and Future Danny are at a standstill until Dark Danny uses the intervention of Tucker and Valerie to his advantage. Even when Danny manages to unlock a powerful Super Mode that enables him to overpower Dark Danny, it's still not enough to stop him. He eventually got a boost of power when Vlad tried to use Tricked-Out Gloves to steal his energy. He eventually lost when Future Danny and Sam activated their Super Modes and Danny and Sam delivered a double punch to him, finally knocking him out. | |
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Don't even try guessing who is winning on Hellsing. Even if someone has been decapitated, shot in the head, impaled a bajillion times and stuck to the wall, they've still got it under control. The fact that everyone in the series has From a Single Cell regeneration and are Nigh Invulnerable to boot makes it difficult, but there is a rule of thumb- has Alucard done something so far beyond badass it comes out the other side and ends up being silly yet? He's probably losing. But he'll win in the end. Except for his final battle, which is so far beyond weaksauce it comes out the other side and ends up being deeply compelling. |
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In YuYu Hakusho, Yusuke and Chu have one. This is after spending all their spirit energy on various attacks and utterly pulverizing each other with energy attacks and such, and they can't even use their spirit attacks anymore. There's also a catch: Not only can they not move at all or they agree to forfeit, but their back heel is resting against a knife, and if one of the fighters did step back, the other would take the knife that was now between them and stab him with it. Every hit that they each take knocks their foot into the knife, causing immense pain. Eventually Yusuke wins after Chu tries to finish him with a mammoth headbutt. Yusuke intentionally just takes the attack and Chu is knocked out. | |
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Transformers often faces this problem and Beast Wars especially: the Predacons (most commonly Waspinator) are frequently blown into pieces, and often survive without even going into the "safety lock" emergency state, yet Dinobot died while largely intact. The show offers the (surprisingly consistent) justification that it doesn't matter how much they're torn apart, as long as their Spark has energon supplied to it they can be put back together. Thus Dinobot died not from injuries, but because he kept fighting long after his system told him to shut-down, while Waspinator's spark is located within his head, allowing him to survive attacks and mishaps that blow him to pieces. This spark placement is meant to be very unusual. | |
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House of Flying Daggers ends with a battle between Jin and Leo. They keep on fighting even after dozens of wounds (the "splashing blood"-kind), only to stop when they both impale each other simultaneously. | |
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According to Wikipedia, the Thrilla In Manila fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier turned into one of these. Frazier's trainer decided to throw in the towel to keep Smokin' Joe from getting hurt even more badly than he already was, while Ali later said that this fight was the closest he'd ever come to dying. In fact, Frazier was ready to go back in completely blind and was not going to quit and got back up every single time. Ali said of him "If God ever called me to a holy war, I would want Joe Frazier by my side". | |
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The Super Smash Bros. series runs on this, with the fighters only being defeated when the accumulated damage from sustaining attacks eventually launches them out of the arena's boundaries, or causes them to plummet down a pit/the ocean/lava/whatever substance that's shallow enough. From sharp weapons and guns to more everyday objects like fans and umbrellas, just about anything is enough to potentially result in a strong blow. | |
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Superman versus Captain Marvel in Justice League Unlimited. Superman eventually won by forcing Captain Marvel to revert to his eight-year-old form. Taken to the extreme in the Grand Finale, where the fight between Superman and Darkseid goes on for far too long and is mostly Darkseid smacking the crap out of Superman, with several blows that look like they should be devastating - one looks like it'd break Superman's back! - but don't noticeably affect his ability to fight in any way. What makes this even crazier is that it seems like Batman - yes, Batman - tries to mix it up with Darkseid, and because of this trope, it seems like his jump-kick is about as effective as Superman. And after enduring this horrific, brutal abuse from a stronger-than-ever Darkseid for the entire episode, Superman gets up, shrugs it off, comes up with the "No More Holding Back" Speech and a Moment of Awesome...but the comeback doesn't even last as long as it took him to get through the speech, when he's interrupted by a device that puts him in as much pain as is physically possible, and that ends the fight. On the other hand, decently averted in the episode "Flash Point", in a brawl between Captain Atom and Superman - the two of them (particularly the Captain) visibly take damage and slow down as the fight goes on. On a similar note: Superman: Doomsday. The titular characters go at it in Metropolis, relentlessly beating on each other, though Superman seems to get the worst of it until the end. |
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One Night Court episode has a guy get suckered into a fight with Mike Tyson. The episode ends with a voiceover of the announcer: "How much punishment can one face take?" | |
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On the other hand, decently averted in the episode "Flash Point", in a brawl between Captain Atom and Superman - the two of them (particularly the Captain) visibly take damage and slow down as the fight goes on. | |
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