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The Big Bad makes you An Offer You Can't Refuse, either join his organization of evil, or die right here and now. Sometimes this is accompanied by a We Can Rule Together, but not always. This offer is not always made to The Hero, it can just as easily be to a rival, or simply a promising recruit that the Big Bad can't afford to have opposing him. Nor does it necessarily have to be a villain making the offer. Some heroes may use these words to rally people to their cause in the face of attack, or The Men in Black may give this ultimatum to those who break the masquerade. A subtrope of With Us or Against Us. Supertrope of Mutant Draft Board. Compare Sadistic Choice, An Offer You Can't Refuse and Defeat Means Friendship for a more family-friendly version of this trope. Related to Why Don't Ya Just Shoot Him? Not to be confused with Ben Franklin's famous Revolutionary-era Political Cartoon, which was about Divided We Fall (i.e. "join together or our enemy will kill us"). Unmarked spoilers ahoy. |
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In Aquaman (2018), to expand his armies to invade the surface world, Orm threatens the Fishermen kingdom and then the Brine Kingdom. Ricou, the Fisherman King, refuses, gets murdered by Orm who then forces Ricuo's daughter to cooperate. The Brine King outright refuses and to Orm, This Means War!. | |
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Wonder Woman (1987): Widow Sazia approaches the men once under her husband's control in the mob who didn't immediately side with her in the Mob War following his murder in small groups and graphically kills the first to indignantly turn her down before repeating her offer to the remainder. | |
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In the trailer for Ghost Recon Wildlands, the Big Bad offers the people a choice. They can either join his drug cartel and receive food, medicine, protection, power, wealth, and the chance to rule like kings...or be Forced to Watch as he destroys everything and everyone they love. | |
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Dungeons & Dragons Online: In the finale of the Sharn Syndicate quest chain, Talon Darsin, the overlord of the Sharn Syndicate in Stormreach, makes this offer to you. And since your goal in the final quest is to kill him, well, no guesses on what your response to him is. | |
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Dragon Age: Warden recruits who learn what the Joining involves intentionally ingesting the darkspawn blood, which is lethal to most and is technically illegal blood magic, are given two choices: either take the drink and risk death, or be killed on the spot because they've seen the Wardens' big secret. | |
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The Transformers Megaseries: The planet-destroying Reapers want the Decepticon Person of Mass Destruction Sixshot to join their ranks, and while they give him time to think about it, they won’t take no for an answer. Their leader outright tells him to join their crusade or die the next time they meet. | |
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Chariot: There's a reason that tagline of the book is "Ride or Die." Gillian (the spirit trapped in the Chariot) tells Jim that she needs him to help her, otherwise she can make his life very difficult. | |
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Alix: Délia, Queen of the Amazons, gave women this ultimatum: join her in her revolution against the Romans or die. Anyone women who refuse are killed on the spot. | |
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In Warhammer: Age of Sigmar, the Bloodreaver tribes of Khorne’s Bloodbound partake in a ritual known as the Dark Feast. Any enemy who were captured alive during the battle are given the choice to either join the Feast as a comrade or become the main course. | |
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In one Choose Your Own Adventure book, the protagonist can discover the owner of an amusement park bribing a safety inspector to overlook some serious safety hazards. When the owner and his clown henchman notice you the owner offers you a thousand dollars to keep quiet or else. If the protagonist refuses they try to kill him. If the protagonist accepts the bribe and rats them out anyway, the clown arranges an "accident". If the protagonist accepts the bribe and keeps quiet the clown will sweeten the deal with an extra hundred dollars as a present. The protagonist has mixed feelings about this since it means the villains believe that he is on their side and can be counted on for future favors. | |
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The Simpsons: Parodied. The Japanese commercial for "Mr. Sparkle" dishwashing powder has the eponymous mascot declare to a bunch of attractive models "Join me or die! Can you do any less?" He then uses his magic to turn them into sumo wrestlers, followed by making a two-headed cow crumble like shattered glass. | |
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In the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode "Making Friends and Influencing People", Ward explains that this is HYDRA's policy, particularly towards Gifted people. If they don't serve HYDRA, they're seen as a threat, and exterminated. | |
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"Lucky Luke: Ballad of the Daltons": The Dalton Brothers learned their Uncle Henry willed them his whole money if they kill the jurors and the judge who sentenced him to death by hanging and Lucky Luke provides testimony confirming they did it. When they approached Lucky about it, Joe Dalton offered the following deal: if he agrees, they'll give him a share of the money; if he refuses, they'll kill him. (Actually, they intended to kill him once the You Have Outlived Your Usefulness kicked in). | |
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Inverted in The Night's Dawn Trilogy where the Confederation armada is intercepted by the much superior Organisation fleet at Tranquility, and is given the ultimatum "Surrender and join us, or die and join us". The inversion is justified as the Organisation are basically made up of souls come back from the "beyond" to possess still living people. | |
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In Supergirl fanfic Hellsister Trilogy, evil sorcerer Mordru is putting together an army to destroy the Legion of Super-Heroes. He gives his prospect recruits one choice: follow him or die right away. | |
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In La Femme Nikita, not to be confused with Nikita, this is part of the Necessarily Evil MIB organization's MO. By the time they've tried to recruit you, you know too much to be allowed to walk away. Even the leader wasn't always the leader, and was brought in by basically being kidnapped, and can't ever show himself to the people who know him as plain old "Paul Wolfe" instead of "Operations" again. Which means even someone who lived it eventually came to believe it necessary. | |
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True Villains has the Nominal Hero Sebastian try to vanquish the Diabolical Mastermind Xaneth Antares, only to be subdued and offered a job instead. He flips to Villain Protagonist on the spot. Xaneth also has insurance of Sebastian's loyalty in the form of a Stable Time Loop from his patron God of Knowledge. | |
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Blattodea: Implied when Hanakamakiri declares Alice the new "Boss" while backed up by a squad of armed soldiers and Alice has no choice but to follow. After Alice defeats Hanakamakiri in her escape attempt, Bekkobachi directly orders her to do what they say or die. Alice ends up accepting the deal, so long as nobody tries to erase her name and sense of self. | |
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On the Dream SMP, Dream has this ultimatum for L'Manburg — either cease fighting for independence or he'll utterly thrash them. They refuse, and as expected, Dream does exactly what he promised to. | |
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Flash Gordon. Emperor Ming offers to let Flash join him and rule the Earth under Ming's control. If he refuses, he will be killed. | |
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Harry Potter: Standard operating procedure for Lord Voldemort. This is how he got Peter Pettigrew to defect to his Death Eaters. And it's said in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone that he killed James and Lily Potter because they refused to join him. | |
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Mercedes voices this trope in Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes as a Deconstruction of the Defeat Means Friendship mechanic in-game. While your army has the ability to recruit certain characters after defeating them instead of killing them, and Mercedes is happy to not have to kill her former friends and classmates, she also notes that it's not much of a choice; you're forcing people to choose between betraying their friends and family or dying. | |
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In Peace Talks, Ethniu the Last Titan announces to the supernatural nations assembled at the titular Peace Conference that she's about to wage war on humanity, and tells them that they can either stand with her or burn with the humans. | |
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And in Cold Days, the Outsiders gave him first this offer, and then the other, in quick succession. He wasn't lying when he said, in Dead Beat, that these were the two offers he seems to get all the time. | |
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In The Dresden Files: Nicodemus gives Harry an offer: take up one of the 30 silver coins and join the Order of the Blackened Denarius, or Nicodemus will slit his throat once he's done eating breakfast. Nicodemus believes very strongly in Pragmatic Villainy. Dead Beat, however, references but averts this trope: after fighting and defeating Dresden, Kumori says she'll make him an offer. Dresden guesses it's this, but Kumori says he's too inexperienced. (He gets it right on the second try, though: leave or die.) And in Cold Days, the Outsiders gave him first this offer, and then the other, in quick succession. He wasn't lying when he said, in Dead Beat, that these were the two offers he seems to get all the time. In Peace Talks, Ethniu the Last Titan announces to the supernatural nations assembled at the titular Peace Conference that she's about to wage war on humanity, and tells them that they can either stand with her or burn with the humans. |
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This is the choice the British Men of Letters give the American hunters in season 12 of Supernatural. When the American hunters refuse, the Men of Letters begins to brutally murder any hunter they can find. | |
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Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts: Near the end of Season 2, Scarlemagne gives the Mutes from all corners of Las Vistas one of two choices: either join him in complete and utter fealty or be made into gold statues. | |
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X-Men: Evolution: When the X-Men offered Rogue a chance to join, she was afraid they'd kill her if she refused (Mystique made them look like the bad guys to drive her to her side). Once she learned they wouldn't, she was more willing to hear them out, and finally joined once Mystique kicked one dog too many. | |
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Luke Cage (2016): Diamondback crashes a secret meeting of gangsters in Colon's Gym and kills all of the bosses, with the exception of Mariah, Shades and Domingo. He tells Domingo that he's being spared to send a message to the other gangs in Harlem: either they buy from Diamondback, or he'll kill them. | |
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Homestuck has this in the form of Her Imperious Condescension, fish-alien queen of Alternia. When her entire race is destroyed by Gl'bgolyb, she rushes back to Alternia in a desperate attempt to find some way to revive her new extinct race, and instead encounters Lord English's servant The Handmaid. After Condy kills The Handmaid, Lord English himself comes and recruits Condy with the promise of reviving her dead race, which she must obey or will be killed violently for refusing. | |
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The credo of the Church of Universal Truth, occasional adversaries of the Guardians of the Galaxy, is "convert or die". And with a very large, very strong army, they're very good at delivering on that second part. They're able to level some planets in a matter of hours, in fact. Also used by name when King Blastaar takes over the Negative Zone prison. A few of the surviving prisoners were given the choice. Blastaar actually bothers asking what happened to the ones that refused it. They died. | |
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The Order of the Stick: Samantha the bandit soceress tries to recuit Miko as a minion using this method. Miko declines and kills Samantha instead. | |
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Space Mutiny: Variant. Kalgan offers a technician who discovers his evil plot to either join or be cyrogenically frozen. The Techinican made the third choice of dying. Kalgan obliged. | |
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In Peter Pan, Captain Hook gives Wendy and the boys the option of joining his crew or Walking The Plank. | |
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In Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves the Sheriff of Nottingham gives Lord Locksley the choice to join up or die. Cue Dying Moment of Awesome. | |
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What the people in the Tribulation period in the Apocalypse film series are confronted with when they meet Franco Macalousso's Digital Avatar in the Day Of Wonders program...either take the Mark of the Beast and join his side, or die by whatever virtual means the program has in store for you (usually decapitation). | |
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The Owl House: This is Emperor Belos attitude towards the inhabitants of the Boiling Isles in relation to his Coven System. Either you join a Coven and get branded with a Coven Sigil, or you will spend the rest of your life on the run from the law as a Wild Witch, with death by petrification being a very real and in fact likely consequence of your choice. As it turns out, this attitude is because he is a human Witch Hunter and wants to use the sigils to kill all life on the Boiling Isles and thus not getting branded means you escape his attempted genocide. This attitude also extends to his fellow humans, as any human who sides with the Witches and Demons against Belos, or especially if they fraternize with them will be immediately dismissed by the Emperor as having been "corrupted" by the Boiling Isles, at which point he promptly attempts to murder them as both Luz and Belos' older brother Caleb learned the hard way. | |
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Also used in BlazBlue for Litchi. The message is pretty subtle, but Hazama is pretty much saying to her "Join us, or you die by your own corruption while we just toss the cure away." | |
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Marvel Cinematic Universe: In the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode "Making Friends and Influencing People", Ward explains that this is HYDRA's policy, particularly towards Gifted people. If they don't serve HYDRA, they're seen as a threat, and exterminated. Daredevil (2015): James Wesley tries to threaten Karen Page into backing off on her investigation into Wilson Fisk with the offer of a "job", then threatens her life when she makes clear she will not budge. Karen grabs his gun and shoots him to death with it. Luke Cage (2016): Diamondback crashes a secret meeting of gangsters in Colon's Gym and kills all of the bosses, with the exception of Mariah, Shades and Domingo. He tells Domingo that he's being spared to send a message to the other gangs in Harlem: either they buy from Diamondback, or he'll kill them. |
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At CHIKARA Battle of Who Could Care Less, UltraMantis Black cut a promo before his match with MIYAWAKI where he offered him a chance to join the Order of the Neo-Solar Temple as its representative to the Orient. He said that if MIYAWAKI didn't take him up on his offer, UMB would follow him back to Japan, kill him and destroy the nation's whaling industry. He ended by invoking the trope word for word.note For the record, MIYAWAKI won. | |
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In Groosham Grange, every student at the Grange, sooner or later, is given this choice. | |
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Avatar: The Last Airbender: "Return to Omashu": Azula invites Ty Lee to join her on her quest, and at first pretends to accept Ty Lee's refusal but says that she'll stick around the acrobatic performance. During the show, Azula demands the ringleader make the performance as dangerous and intimidating for Ty Lee as possible (first by setting the safety net on fire, and then releasing dangerous animals into the ring). Afterward, Azula tells Ty Lee that she can't wait to see how she'll top herself the next night. Ty Lee then tells Azula she got the message "the universe" was sending her and joins Azula's team. The Legend of Korra: In Book Four, this is Kuvira's method of restoring the Earth Kingdom to order, though she doesn't threaten — technically — to do the actual killing. With bandits rampaging across the countryside and her military the only cohesive force large enough to provide much-needed protection and aid, governors are left with the choice of accepting her authority or watching their state utterly collapse. She also cuffs a group of captured bandits to a maglev railway and provides them with a "choice": either they pledge their allegiance to her, or she'll leave them for the next train. |
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Cheat Magician Life That Started From Being Judged Useless: Immediately after the summoning ritual is over, Camilla Resenberg makes it abundantly clear that the people she summoned are to join her army, at sword-point, or be killed, and to prove she's not bluffing, sends Kento into a dangerous forest, and after finding bloody remains of his clothing, reports to the rest that he died, eaten by monsters. | |
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Grim Fandango has this exchange between Deadpan Snarker Manny and Sassy Secretary turned resistance fighter Eva. | |
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In Halo, this is how the Covenant has traditionally expanded its multi-species empire; any species who don't agree to become at least subservient allies will have their worlds bombarded from orbit until they surrender. In fact, a growing number of the Covenant begin to develop doubts about their genocidal war against humanity precisely because humans were only given the "Die" option. | |
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In Mass Effect, Saren's response to Shepard's resistance is this. Join the Reapers - 'cause if you don't, you're guaranteed to die. | |
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The Transformers: The Movie: Unicron summons the dying Megatron while he's adrift in space and orders him to destroy the Matrix of Leadership for him. In return, Unicron offered to provide Megatron with a new body and new troops to command. Megatron then demanded more and defiantly denied that he belonged to Unicron now. Unicron then made it clear that if Megatron wouldn't serve him he'd be Unicron's snack and prepared to devour him. Megatron quickly decided Unicron's terms were acceptable after all. | |
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In Star Wars: The Old Republic: The backstory of the Sith Inquisitor is that they were a former slave of the Sith Empire who, after being discovered to be force-sensitive, was naturally given the option to either go to Korriban for training or die where they stand. The law in the Empire is that all Force-sensitives must go to Korriban for Sith training, even if they're too weak to make it as Sith and would inevitably die. The penalty for refusal is death. And in the tie-in novel Fatal Alliance, we learn that the penalty for refusing to give your Force-sensitive child to the Sith is also death. |
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The Master makes the Vault Dweller such an offer in the original Fallout game. Accepting results in a non-standard game over. | |
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In The Chronicles of Riddick, the Necromongers give this offer to the races they conquer. | |
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Dead Beat, however, references but averts this trope: after fighting and defeating Dresden, Kumori says she'll make him an offer. Dresden guesses it's this, but Kumori says he's too inexperienced. (He gets it right on the second try, though: leave or die.) | |
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Iron Man: The Nine Rings attack villages and either kill or capture the men. Then, they take their women and children to an unknown location where they're used as collateral. The men are asked to join them, with their families' lives, as well as their own, on their line if they refuse. This is Truth in Television for many terrorist groups and militaristic regimes. | |
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Invincible has the Viltrum Empire, of which Nolan Grayson/Omni-Man is a part. Those who accept Viltrumite rule become vassals of the empire, with all the benefits thereof. Those who don't will either be made to submit, or exterminated. This is why Nolan came to Earth in the first place: to prepare it for Viltrumite rule. | |
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In Werewolf: The Apocalypse: When the Black Spiral Dancers capture Gaia Garou, they give their captives the choice of traversing the Black Spiral Labyrinth or facing execution. In the Time of Judgment scenario in which the Shadow Lords fall to the Wyrm, Grandfather Thunder kills Whippoorwill, leaving the Black Spiral Dancers bereft of a tribal totem. The Shadow Lords demand that the Black Spirals either join their tribe or face execution. |
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The law in the Empire is that all Force-sensitives must go to Korriban for Sith training, even if they're too weak to make it as Sith and would inevitably die. The penalty for refusal is death. And in the tie-in novel Fatal Alliance, we learn that the penalty for refusing to give your Force-sensitive child to the Sith is also death. | |
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This is how the Scarlet Chorus recruits in Tyranny. If the conquer a town or defeat an army, they bring all the survivors together and offers them 'redemption' in the Chorus. Those who refuse are killed on the spot. Those who accept are thrown into a circle with all the other accepters and handed a weapon, with the understanding that nobody leaves the circle alive until they've killed at least one other person inside it. The surviving half of those are then offered a place in the Chorus as frontline troopers, with the unfortunate 'candidates' at that point being either so well and truly traumatised or already so psychopathic that they're a perfect fit for the Chorus. | |
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The standard recruitment technique for the Ganglion in Xenoblade Chronicles X when it comes to the races that make up their ranks. The Prone and the Marnucks in particular were fighting planetwide civil wars on their homeworlds, and the factions that joined the Ganglion were the ones they treated leniently. The Wrothians were even subjected to a planetary blockade until they agreed to join them. | |
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In the movie Nikita, and the TV show based on the movie, this is how the title character is recruited as an assassin. | |
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Kim Possible: Gemini tries to force Ron Stoppable to join his terrorist organization of WEE by threatening him with a laser. | |
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The Love and Creed of Sae Maki: The offer made by Sae during Sae's Court, she declares Kokai guilty of crimes against her and demands he choose between submission or elimination. He instead chooses to Take a Third Option by pulling a gun on her. | |
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In The Vampire Chronicles Akasha annihilates most of her vampire progeny and then gives an ultimatum of this nature to the survivors: they can either help her create new world order, or die. None of them agrees. | |
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Daredevil (2015): James Wesley tries to threaten Karen Page into backing off on her investigation into Wilson Fisk with the offer of a "job", then threatens her life when she makes clear she will not budge. Karen grabs his gun and shoots him to death with it. | |
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In A Song of Ice and Fire, the wildlings give this offer to Jon Snow when he and his partner Qhorin Halfhand are captured. However, to make sure he's truly switched sides, they also force him to kill Qhorin. | |
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One Piece: This is Kaido's M.O, if there's a strong pirate that get his liking he'll offer them a position in his crew. If they refuse, he'll throw them into his prison and try to break their spirits until they eventually do so. If they still resist, he'll ultimately dispose of them. It's revealed a good portion of his crew are former pirate captains who took his deal. | |
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Ice Age: Continental Drift: | |
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The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power: Adar releases Arondir from imprisonment so he could deliver his terms to the Southlanders who took refugee in the Ostirith watchtower: Adar will allow the Southlanders to live if they forsake their claim to the lands and swear fealty to him, otherwise, he will kill all of them. | |
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In End of the Spider-Verse, this is the fate of many of the Spider-Totems who are confronted by their transformed Wasp-Totem brethren. Those who don't turn are Ret-Gone. | |
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Game of Thrones: One of the recruitment methods of the Night's Watch is offering an alternative to prisoners facing a death sentence. Qhorin Halfhand hints to Jon that they will both die unless Jon invokes this with the wildlings. |
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In Necromunda, all enemies captured by the Redemptionists (except wyrds and other mutants) are given a choice, to join the Crusade or be burned at the stake as a heretic. The 1st and 2nd Edition rules represented this with the Redemptor Priest's Redeemer special rule where any captive not rescued by their comrades had to roll off against the Priest and became a fanatical Redemptionist if they lost. Any other result saw the captive killed as a heretic. | |
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The Reynard Cycle: Count Bricemer makes this offer to the crew of the Quicksilver. Later, he reneges on the deal. Reynard himself offers this choice to his defeated enemies quite often. By ''Defender of the Crown' he's assembled a Praetorian Guard made up of Calvarians. |
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In The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Mages Guild Stewardess Ranis Athrys has this attitude toward any mages who don't join the Guild. Several of her quests involve convincing outsider mages to join, and most can be accomplished by simply killing the mage in question. | |
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The first Bad End of Fate/stay night happens if you have Shirou refuse to participate in the Holy Grail War. As a result, he gives up his Command Spells, breaks his contract with Saber and forcing her to find another Master, and Rin has no further reason to associate with him, leaving him vulnerable to Illya and Berserker's attack on him when he attempts to return home, becoming Illya's immortal torture plaything for as long as she wants. When Shirou tells her that he's not in the Holy Grail War anymore, she bluntly tells him that she doesn't care. As we find out later, Illya really wants Shirou to suffer as revenge for their father supposedly replacing her with him, which we don't find out until Illya's Defeat Means Friendship Heel–Face Turn later in the route, so Shirou would have been unsafe for the entire Holy Grail War regardless of his participation or not as long as Illya was still alive and evil. | |
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Warhammer 40,000: A common joke about the Imperial Guard (though not all worlds actually use conscription). The Tau Empire are sometimes considered to be the "nicest" faction in the setting, because they offer this choice. If anyone else attacks your world, chances are they just offer "die" or in the case of Chaos and Dark Eldar, "die horribly, get captured and tortured and/or raped until you die, or get your soul devoured, and don't answer because we'll decide for you". The more evangelical forces of Chaos, such as warbands of the Word Bearers Traitor Legion, will occasionally offer their victims the chance to join the ways of the Dark Gods. However even the nicest way it might develop tend to be Fate Worse than Death. |
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House of the Dragon: During The Coup of the Green faction to crown Aegon, several lords who are present in King's Landing are coerced into swearing fealty to Aegon. Two of them who refuse are taken away to an Uncertain Doom and one of them, Lord Caswell, who swore fealty but was about to leave King's Landing to warn Rhaenyra, gets hanged at the Red Keep. Daemon Targaryen coerces two Kingsguards into joining the Black faction rallying behind Rhaenyra by threatening them to be incinerated by his dragon Caraxes shall they refuse, with Caraxes by his side. |
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Doctor Who: The Cybermen operate by this creed. Exemplified by the Cybus Cybermen in their introduction. | |
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Legacy of the Aldenata: In When The Devil Dances, Mike O'Neal Sr is approached by an old acquaintance from his mercenary days, and offered a position in a shadowy Knight Templar organization with access to Galactic technology. The acquaintance was about to kill O'Neal if he declined the offer for knowing too much about the organization, until Mike was rescued by his grand daughter, the acquaintance's brains being ballistically scattered around the room. | |
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Child of the Storm: Lucius Malfoy offers this to the Ministry in chapter 72 of the first book. Arthur Weasley is one of those who turns him down. This is functionally Surtur's method of recruitment, both in the past and the present. He welcomed defectors, granting them powers beyond their wildest dreams, but as the sequel demonstrates, he doesn't take very well to the word "no." |
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At the end of Assassin's Creed Rogue, Juhani Otso Berg offers you a choice between a Templar Ring or a bullet. | |
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In the Warrior Cats series, this is how Tigerstar operates. One particularly notable moment is when his son defied him: | |
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The Legend of Korra: In Book Four, this is Kuvira's method of restoring the Earth Kingdom to order, though she doesn't threaten — technically — to do the actual killing. With bandits rampaging across the countryside and her military the only cohesive force large enough to provide much-needed protection and aid, governors are left with the choice of accepting her authority or watching their state utterly collapse. She also cuffs a group of captured bandits to a maglev railway and provides them with a "choice": either they pledge their allegiance to her, or she'll leave them for the next train. | |
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Good Times: This is why Micheal joins a gang. Quote paraphrased. | |
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In DARLING in the FRANXX, VIRM, the series' Greater-Scope Villain operates this way. A Hive Mind of ascended Energy Beings, they regard other sapient races with Condescending Compassion for their mortal, turbulent existence, and they seek to mend this by assimilating all other sentient life forms into their collective. A race that refuses, as the Klaxo sapiens did, is summarily attacked with intent of extermination. | |
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In The Dinosaur Lords, Raguel's ultimatum to all of Providence is to either join the horde or be killed by the horde. | |
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Ciaphas Cain: After witnessing a fight with a faction she is not even supposed to know exists, Zemelda Cleat is Welcomed to the Masquerade by the Inquisitor Amberley Vail as part of her entourage - something that surprises Cain, who assumed she would simply be Killed to Uphold the Masquerade. It is strongly implied that Amberley would have executed her on the spot if she had refused, however. | |
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Code Prime: During his New Era Speech to the people of Earth in Chapter 35 of R1, following his announcement of the Decepticons' conquest of Britannia, Megatron tells humanity to either surrender to him or be destroyed. | |
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Mage: The Awakening: The soul-eating Tremere liches sometimes recruit an unwilling member by severing their soul, then letting them choose either to fade into oblivion or to eat a soul and live on through lichdom. | |
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In Dragon Ball Z, this is Frieza's main method of recruitment. According to dialogue amongst Frieza's henchmen (which was drastically changed in the Funimation dubbing), Frieza's modus operandi was to wipe out all but the most promising or useful individuals of a race and offer them a place in his empire. He promised those that joined that their race would eventually gain a more prestigious place in his New Order and those that refused were simply made extinct. Frieza even makes this offer to Nail, Piccolo and Goku while fighting them during his arc, as they're each significantly stronger than most of his army, though he fully expects them to refuse and die. | |
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Vanquish: In the prologue, Zaitsev threatens the U.S. to join their Russian forces, or else they will fire the microwave energy array like they did with San Francisco. | |
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In medieval fantasy game Ars Magica, Join or Die is policy of the Order of Hermes, if you're a magician the Order considers potent enough to bother with, mostly those who have a sufficient magical defense or offence. They are not, however, the Big Bad, usually. | |
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In Dragonlance one of the three Nerakan Knights orders' motto is "Submit or Die". | |
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In Burn Notice, Michael has this conversation with Sam: | |
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In Da Vinci's Demons Season 3, the Ottomans have the citizens of Otranto lined up and being forced to chose between beheading or converting to Islam. This event did historically happen, but the Ottomans were not armed with super-advanced inventions made by Da Vinci like in the show. | |
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