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A specific way to engage in dramatic license with the economics of crime. Many settings and plots are enhanced by the presence of a criminal element, whether it be a Thieves' Guild, The Mafia, Pirates, highway bandits, hitmen, gentleman thieves, or even some guys who are Just Like Robin Hood. However, all these people need someone to rob and/or kill. Sometimes, you can't help but wonder whether the number of available targets is really high enough to support all those crooks who are preying on them. Are there really so many rich aristocrats in the setting that the cunning burglar can rob a new one each week and never run out of victims? Can the poor villagers really be menaced by a bandit gang for months without running out of things for the bandits to steal? Can the fleet of twenty pirate ships really make a living by lurking outside of one fishing town? Does the road from the town to the lighthouse really have enough trade on it that the highwayman won't starve? Does the town with only a few hundred people really have enough work to support a full-time hitman? Do the people living in a post-apocalyptic world, where 90% of the human race is dead, really have nothing better to do than rob the protagonists when there should be lots of goods just laying around for the taking? Sometimes it's all realistic and justified, but other times, the Rule of Cool (or simple lack of consideration) has won out. A related phenomenon is when trade on a certain route is said to have been halted by bandits, pirates, or suchlike. This may be plausible in the short term, or if the marauders have a motive besides profit, but otherwise... why would robbers stick around if there's no longer anyone to rob? Thieves can't thieve if they bring an end to the commerce on which they prey, so the robbers must eventually either lower their capture rate or move someplace else. Video games, which often suffer from Thriving Ghost Towns, are particularly prone to this, especially when bandits or other criminals appear en masse as an enemy for the player to fight. You'll get villages with five houses under attack by hundreds of marauders, and the road between towns will have more bandits than both towns put together have citizens. The Thieves' Guild members in their secret hideout could easily make up three quarters of their city's population, and there are more trained assassins going after the king than the king has employees. A lot of detective series have this problem, too. Never mind the coincidence that all the crimes happen near the amateur detective... why are there even any criminals left? Artistic License is the true, sufficient reason behind all this. If the criminals are all successfully pretending to each other that they're not criminals, they're a Flock of Wolves. See also Wretched Hive, for a place likely to have this problem, and More Predators Than Prey, for when a whole ecosystem is in a similar situation. Examples |
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Subverted in Adventure Time with the City of Thieves. Everyone in the city is a thief, and therefore everyone is also a victim. In other words, everyone steals from everyone else. Naturally the city is a hellhole, but there is no shortage of people to snatch from. | |
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Zigzagged in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series. Officially, everyone in the Zone who isn't an Ecologist (and thus on an official permit) or a soldier is trespassing and committing numerous other crimes that are punishable by shooting on sight. However, the various factions often fight against each other, but the official Bandit faction is only one faction of stalkers in the Zone, and while they're not exactly rare compared to the amount of Loners, they're on the small side if compared to Freedom and Duty, two militarized factions that tend to steamroll the cheeki breekis whenever they set out against them. Mercenaries exist, but they're a mixed bag as to how they work (Wolfhound is a total prick, but Hog, Hatchet and Scar are alright, though the latter can also ally with the Bandits). | |
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The human areas of Guild Wars 2 are guilty of this, and it's not helped by some bandit camps being far away in remote unpopulated places where they would have absolutely nobody to prey on (Brisban Wildlands being the most egregious example). | |
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Borderlands 2 and Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel! goes into more detail. There already was a decent population on Pandora, mostly outlaws and fringe types. Then the Dahl corporation brought in a large population for mining, which included convicts for laborers but also a large number of normal civilians for support, and a significant military element which included a number of warships and thousands of soldiers. When the military force stationed on Pandora's moon was devastated by an event known as "the Crackening" and then exposed to the Vault, which brainwashed them into becoming the Vault's guardians, the rival Atlas corporation showed up with superior forces and ran the remaining Dahl leadership off the planet. Most of the civilians and convicts were left behind and forced to resort to banditry to survive. While a lot of the bandits and other abandoned survivors on the planet have died over the years, each new attempt by one corporation or another to "tame" and exploit Pandora has led to a continuous influx of poor, hapless saps who come down to the planet and are unable or unwilling to leave. | |
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The "Failure to Communicate" mission in Starfield. You gotta help some isolated farmers fight off Space Pirates. How many farmers? Well... there are three families left, one already got wiped out. You meet one, which has three members, and then eight people in five spaceships show up to help in the final battle. So maybe each family has 3-5 people, for a total of 12-20 before the attacks. Meanwhile, how many pirates do you fight? 20+ spaceships, each of which may or may not be piloted by a Crew of One, and then another ~15 pirates on foot. So the crooks outnumber the targets by probably double the men, quadruple the ships... and they're just trying to rob some ordinary farmers with no particular wealth. It makes you wonder if their actual goal was just to kill everyone For the Evulz. | |
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In Master of Orion, it is possible for a particular star system to suddenly acquire a bad case of Space Pirates, with the result that trade revenues start to drop precipitously all over the galaxy. You're supposed to send military starships there to combat the pirates, but if no one does, trade comes to a screeching halt fairly quickly and stays there. This can be very annoying if it happens early in the game when you can't reach the system in question, since the A.I. doesn't care about pirates and will only send a fleet to an infested system by chance. The sequel changed the pirate mechanic, such that pirates in the infested system merely start hijacking freighters belonging to any empire with a presence in that system. | |
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Quest for Glory I :Had the hero not arrived in Spielburg to deal with the problem, this probably would have happened within the year. | |
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Bloodbath Bay in Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves has this problem too. All pirates, all the time, with absolutely no outside money coming in since there's no reason for anyone to sail near it. It's described as an intentional throwback, but where does the cash come from if all the pirates just pirate each other? | |
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The Innistrad plane suffers from Ravenloft's version (mentioned above) of more monsters than humans. It's actually a Discussed Trope, though, as some of the vampires are trying to essentially use sustainable farming methods on the humans, while some of the werewolves actively want the plane to reach a predator-only state. In the mid-point of the block, Dark Ascension, the humans actually are dwindling in population. Sorin Markov had to create an angelic Big Good (Avacyn) in an attempt to avert this trope. Innistrad's problems started when Avacyn got herself sealed in the Hellvault. | |
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This trope is the reason that in the revised edition of Darkspell, the thieves' den in Dun Hireadd was changed into just a father, his son, and a few contacts/family members. Dun Hireadd is not large enough to support a fully-fledged Thieves' Guild. | |
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The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has way too many bandits for the economy to support. This is made worse in an unmodded game, where bandits start wearing expensive equipment at high levels. Which means the average bandit, when selling his equipment, is actually far richer than most aristocrats. | |
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Discworld: This is Ankh-Morpork before the Watch starts actually fighting crime. In the early books, it was a parody of the average Medieval European Fantasy city occupied entirely by thieves, thugs, assassins and innkeepers. When Twoflower shows up, at least half of the people he meets are trying to figure out how to scam him. He remains oblivious. Justified in that Twoflower has come to Ankh-Morpork specifically to visit places like The Broken Drum, the whore pits and similar "colorful" locations. He hasn't come all the way from the Agatean Empire to see the Street of Cunning Tax Attorneys. It also helps that, thanks to ludicrous exchange rates, what to the scammers is a massive fortune is just his spare change. This is as much because of the dishonesty of the average Morpork citizen as the amount of professional thieves. It's part of the culture. This trope is discussed hilariously in Jingo. The D'reg not-chieftain Jabar explains they never steal too much or try to frighten the passing caravans with excessive violence, because then the caravans would simply stop coming; instead, they rob a little and let the merchants go, and in due time the merchants return, goods replenished. Vimes comes to the conclusion that this is "a type of farming". (But if you plant merchants, they don't grow so good.) |
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World of Warcraft is a similar offender. The player will often be sent from a farm with only two or three inhabitants on quests to kill 20 or more bandits who are supposedly threatening the place, with no explanation for how they've survived so far. | |
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The Order of the Stick lampshades this with Greysky City, where literally everyone is a thief, mugger, or murderer. And it's home of the Thieves Guild, naturally. And way before that were the forest bandits, to whom Haley gave a detailed tirade on exactly why thievery by brute force was just unsustainable for a force that size. Of course, the explanation practically ran on nonsensoleum itself since it was based on the premise that no one could ever get a certain amount of wealth without being a high-level character. | |
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In The Godfather, when Michael is in hiding in Sicily he is surprised to find that almost all the men in a particular town have killed each other in vendettas. If he learns anything from this, it doesn't stick. | |
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: There are bandits - or their spiritual kin, Forsworn and Silver Hand - dwelling in many of the province's caves, and nearly every abandoned watchtower, or crumbling ruin. Their total population is vastly greater than the citizens of the inhabited towns, and their chiefs tend to wear the third-best armor in the game. The same applies to the Thieves' Guild in Riften, which has nearly half as many (visible) members as the population of the city itself. Markarth is even worse than Riften since one half of the population is involved in a Forsworn conspiracy and the other half are a secret cannibal cult of Daedra worshipers. This is partially justified in the case of the Forsworn, who are insurgents fighting an independence war for their region — within that region, there should be a lot of them (things are not very happy for the natives, on the main), and if they drive out foreign traders and aristocrats, that's a step towards their goal. The size of the Thieves' Guild is also justifiable in that they do work throughout all of Skyrim, not just in Riften. It's also no mystery why Nords tend to be skeptical of magic: there's a few dozen legitimate mages in all of Skyrim, yet seemingly hundreds of murderous necromancers. |
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In Dark Lord of Derkholm, the Thieves' Guild supports the overthrow and expulsion of Mr. Chesney and his tour groups because they insist on enforcing this trope. | |
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Neverwinter Nights 2. Oh god, yes. Add up the number of thieves you kill in Act 1 and compare it to the population given in the tabletop setting books, you just killed most of the city! Technically, a lot of them were mooks shipped in from Luskan, but there's still way more of them than NPC citizens. If you join the thieves, there are just as many guardsmen the city won't miss as there are criminals if you join the watch. | |
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In the X-Universe, Pirates and the Yaki typically outnumber civilian traders by 5:1 to 100:1 in the contested Pirate Sectors. However, as a whole, there are less Pirate ships active in the game at any one time than just a single race's trade ships. The Xtended Game Mod X3: Terran Conflict ups the amount of Pirate ships to rival even the main races, though it makes it clear that many of the different Pirate clans are actual navies ran by rogue states, or receive backing from empires to engage in proxy wars. | |
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Justified in Dragon Age: Origins' city of Orzammar, as explained by Rica in the Dwarf Commoner Origin. The Casteless aren't allowed to join the army or hold normal jobs, but the army is suffering huge casualty rates in its ongoing war against the Darkspawn army. So the Casteless are slowly becoming the majority of the population, while only having the options of crime or destitution. | |
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In EVE Online, low security space, also called low-sec, is this. Oddly enough for this trope, all the criminal and victims are players rather than NPCs. This is because low sec only has minimal punishments for criminals, but, unlike nullsec, cannot be owned by a player alliance. This means it's virtually the only area in the game where true space piracy can take place, which isn't at all helped by it also being a tenth the size as the other sectors of space. Granted, the vast majority of these pirates fund their criminal organizations through other means, but its still staggering how many players you find having turf wars over areas that might see a T1 hauler every hour if they are lucky. note People do ship through Low sec quite a bit but they are usually smugglers shipping high value low weight goods around in in stealth ships. However some people consider these people criminals themselves because they are usually taking goods to an from null sec without the consent of the owners they are shipping it too. | |
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Dwarf Fortress averts it or plays it straight, depending on the world generation seed. | |
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This trope has largely been averted in Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas. Raiders like the Vipers and Jackals have a relatively small presence in New California and the Mojave Wasteland, largely thanks to the pacifying efforts of the New California Republic. In the case of larger groups in the Mojave like the Powder Gangers and Great Khans, they behave more like organized tribes and have motivations other than raiding caravans and settlements for loot. The White Legs tribe in Honest Hearts play this trope straight in that they are essentially a large group of marauders, and by far the single most powerful tribe in their territory. That being said, it has been outright stated that the White Legs have no agricultural or hunting skills, and that they only know how to take from others in order to survive. Practically every single one of their endings sees them dying out within a year, either because they lack the skills to survive on their own or because their defeat at Zion gets them finished off by another tribe. Some notes found in Powder Ganger camps along I-15 have writings from Gangers which basically say "guys, there are less and less caravans coming this way 'cause of us, we can't live like this forever." A large number of them have left I-15 before the Courier comes through, and can be found at Vault 19 later in the game. Additionally, the large number of Powder Gangers is justified: the NCR had been bringing in prisoners for forced labor on local infrastructure, but many of the soldiers guarding the prison had to be redeployed due to the war with the Legion getting worse. This resulted in a prisoner uprising taking control of the facility, and the prisoners became known as the Powder Gangers. Since they are already considered outlaws, and are in an unfamiliar territory far from their homes (with most of the routes back being controlled by the NCR), they don't have a huge amount of options to get by other than raiding or joining a different group, with the Gangers in Vault 19 planning to join the Great Khans. |
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Fallout 3 is a major offender. Tenpenny Tower and Rivet City get a pass due to sheer numbers and relative isolation, and in Megaton, the whole populace is armed and ready to fight any criminals within the walls, which themselves are a deterrent: the entrance is protected by an outer gate, a sniper, and a robot, and it's the only way in. The smaller settlements, however, consist of 4-10 people, three of which are would-be soldiers on patrol, max; it is worth noting that the settlement of Evergreen Mills did get overrun by a large raider group prior to the Lone Wanderer escaping the Vault. Still, how the Capital Wasteland can support so many humans without an food-producing infrastructure beyond a few Brahmin per village is a serious worldbuilding question. There are also more mercenaries than people who can hire them, though by their behavior, it's established that the largest mercenary group, Talon Company, does more raider work than actually filling contracts. This is partially averted with the slavers. At the time of the game's release the Capitol Wasteland was awash with slavers serving as early-mid level fodder, but with few slaves to be found outside of a handful of slaver settlements centered around Paradise Falls lead by Eulogy Jones, a charming and savvy but soulless petty warlord who does not even qualify as a Disc-One Final Boss due to how weak he is. This led to obvious questions about how such a relatively weak leadership and slave economy could justify the number of slaves.... until the release of The Pitt DLC cleared this up in horrifying fashion. The reason there are so many slavers in the Capitol Wasteland while there are so few Slaves is because almost all of those captured are bought up by the visionary warlord of The Pitt to use the Pittsburg Steel Mill to rebuild civilization in the irradiated hellscape nearby in spite of horrifyingly heavy losses. Eulogy Jones and his ilk keep a relative handful of slaves on hand for personal use and to transact small deals with others, but almost everyone disappears into The Pitt. |
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Fallout 4: Played with. In a manner similar to New Vegas above, several of the factions in the Commonwealth exist by more than just raiding. The Gunners trade with some places (notably Goodneighbor), take mercenary work and act more like a tribal gang rather than pure thieves. Super Mutants, meanwhile, will eat just about anything and raid for pleasure rather than to make money. The explicitly identified "Raiders" in the game typically operate in pairs or trios, with only a handful of major raider gangs actually existing as organized factionsnote Jared at the Corvega Assembly Plant, Slag at the Saugus Ironworks, Tower Tom at Beantown Brewery, Bosco at D.B. Technical High School, and Red Tourette in the Federal Stockpile. Other large groups of raiders in the game are usually identified as belonging to one of these factions in terminal logs, and who are confirmed in game to extort/trade with one another as much as they raid settlements. In addition, there are dozens of pre-existing settlements, usually homesteads of <5 subsistence farmers. These homesteads will typically have you earn their loyalty by killing off the raiders who have been extorting them for "protection". Finally, as settlements grow in number, more and more caravans can be met moving between them, further justifying how Raiders exist off of stealing from others. | |
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In The Iron Teeth, after the fall of Coroulis the North is becoming infested with so many bandits that trade is drying up and the bands are turning on each other. Herad plans to centralize them all and eventually turn them into a nation under her rule. | |
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Lampshaded in Errant Story: the guilds that supply the bodies for police and security forces in the nation of Farrel typically train too many men for the jobs, leading to the extras taking up banditry. Thus, there are always plenty of bandits to go around. The explanation of this elicits a predictable reaction from Snark Knight Sarine. | |
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In The Sims, it's entirely possible for all your playable Sims (that is, apart from children and University students) to be in the Criminal career. It will be unclear exactly who their targets are because they never mug people and Townies don't have homes that the player can see. Hilariously, it's also theoretically possible to have a town where all the adult Sims are Mayors. Mods exist, at least for the second game, to fix the "all Mayors" issue, but not the issue of everybody being able to be a petty criminal. | |
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Fullmetal Alchemist and the Broken Angel: The town of Hiessgart where most of the game takes place is practically devoid of civilians during gameplay, where the only people found are enemies such as outlaw alchemists and the corrupt military police. Civilians appear during animated cutscenes, but never during gameplay. | |
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Borderlands: The first game has maybe twenty-five non raider NPCs on the planet. And several thousands bandit, raiders, and other such people? Somewhat handwaved by the backstory of Pandora having been mostly populated with convicted criminals The backstory more or less goes like this: one of the big corporations tried to set up a mine on the planet using convicts as labourers, but the nonviability of this (after Pandora's indigenous life made itself known) made them lose interest. There was a brief "Vault rush" but outside of a few scientists there weren't many people who ever went to Pandora that never went rogue. Doesn't explain how everyone stays fed and healthy, mind you. It's a short timeline: near the middle of the game is when the bandits start preying on each other (Jaynestown). Give it another decade and the population will stabilize at a smaller level. Borderlands 2 and Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel! goes into more detail. There already was a decent population on Pandora, mostly outlaws and fringe types. Then the Dahl corporation brought in a large population for mining, which included convicts for laborers but also a large number of normal civilians for support, and a significant military element which included a number of warships and thousands of soldiers. When the military force stationed on Pandora's moon was devastated by an event known as "the Crackening" and then exposed to the Vault, which brainwashed them into becoming the Vault's guardians, the rival Atlas corporation showed up with superior forces and ran the remaining Dahl leadership off the planet. Most of the civilians and convicts were left behind and forced to resort to banditry to survive. While a lot of the bandits and other abandoned survivors on the planet have died over the years, each new attempt by one corporation or another to "tame" and exploit Pandora has led to a continuous influx of poor, hapless saps who come down to the planet and are unable or unwilling to leave. |
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This is realistically averted in Metro 2033: throughout the entire game, you only encounter two small Bandit enclaves, consisting of bands of less than 15 men each. Indeed, there are relatively few human enemies in the game compared to most other similarly-themed games, which makes sense as the total number of human survivors of the nuclear holocaust is given as less than 40,000. The sequel continues this trend: you only run into a single bandit group of about 20 or so guys, who specifically menace similarly small groups of refugees travelling down a particular stretch of tunnel. Literally all of the other human enemies in the game are soldiers of the various organized factions. | |
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In Watchmen, Silk Spectre and Nite Owl go into an alley with the intention of getting into a fight so they can get their groove back. They get followed by 1-2 dozen attempted muggers. | |
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Fallout: The setting in general suffers from this. Fallout 3 is a major offender. Tenpenny Tower and Rivet City get a pass due to sheer numbers and relative isolation, and in Megaton, the whole populace is armed and ready to fight any criminals within the walls, which themselves are a deterrent: the entrance is protected by an outer gate, a sniper, and a robot, and it's the only way in. The smaller settlements, however, consist of 4-10 people, three of which are would-be soldiers on patrol, max; it is worth noting that the settlement of Evergreen Mills did get overrun by a large raider group prior to the Lone Wanderer escaping the Vault. Still, how the Capital Wasteland can support so many humans without an food-producing infrastructure beyond a few Brahmin per village is a serious worldbuilding question. There are also more mercenaries than people who can hire them, though by their behavior, it's established that the largest mercenary group, Talon Company, does more raider work than actually filling contracts. This is partially averted with the slavers. At the time of the game's release the Capitol Wasteland was awash with slavers serving as early-mid level fodder, but with few slaves to be found outside of a handful of slaver settlements centered around Paradise Falls lead by Eulogy Jones, a charming and savvy but soulless petty warlord who does not even qualify as a Disc-One Final Boss due to how weak he is. This led to obvious questions about how such a relatively weak leadership and slave economy could justify the number of slaves.... until the release of The Pitt DLC cleared this up in horrifying fashion. The reason there are so many slavers in the Capitol Wasteland while there are so few Slaves is because almost all of those captured are bought up by the visionary warlord of The Pitt to use the Pittsburg Steel Mill to rebuild civilization in the irradiated hellscape nearby in spite of horrifyingly heavy losses. Eulogy Jones and his ilk keep a relative handful of slaves on hand for personal use and to transact small deals with others, but almost everyone disappears into The Pitt. This trope has largely been averted in Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas. Raiders like the Vipers and Jackals have a relatively small presence in New California and the Mojave Wasteland, largely thanks to the pacifying efforts of the New California Republic. In the case of larger groups in the Mojave like the Powder Gangers and Great Khans, they behave more like organized tribes and have motivations other than raiding caravans and settlements for loot. The White Legs tribe in Honest Hearts play this trope straight in that they are essentially a large group of marauders, and by far the single most powerful tribe in their territory. That being said, it has been outright stated that the White Legs have no agricultural or hunting skills, and that they only know how to take from others in order to survive. Practically every single one of their endings sees them dying out within a year, either because they lack the skills to survive on their own or because their defeat at Zion gets them finished off by another tribe. Some notes found in Powder Ganger camps along I-15 have writings from Gangers which basically say "guys, there are less and less caravans coming this way 'cause of us, we can't live like this forever." A large number of them have left I-15 before the Courier comes through, and can be found at Vault 19 later in the game. Additionally, the large number of Powder Gangers is justified: the NCR had been bringing in prisoners for forced labor on local infrastructure, but many of the soldiers guarding the prison had to be redeployed due to the war with the Legion getting worse. This resulted in a prisoner uprising taking control of the facility, and the prisoners became known as the Powder Gangers. Since they are already considered outlaws, and are in an unfamiliar territory far from their homes (with most of the routes back being controlled by the NCR), they don't have a huge amount of options to get by other than raiding or joining a different group, with the Gangers in Vault 19 planning to join the Great Khans. Fallout 4: Played with. In a manner similar to New Vegas above, several of the factions in the Commonwealth exist by more than just raiding. The Gunners trade with some places (notably Goodneighbor), take mercenary work and act more like a tribal gang rather than pure thieves. Super Mutants, meanwhile, will eat just about anything and raid for pleasure rather than to make money. The explicitly identified "Raiders" in the game typically operate in pairs or trios, with only a handful of major raider gangs actually existing as organized factionsnote Jared at the Corvega Assembly Plant, Slag at the Saugus Ironworks, Tower Tom at Beantown Brewery, Bosco at D.B. Technical High School, and Red Tourette in the Federal Stockpile. Other large groups of raiders in the game are usually identified as belonging to one of these factions in terminal logs, and who are confirmed in game to extort/trade with one another as much as they raid settlements. In addition, there are dozens of pre-existing settlements, usually homesteads of <5 subsistence farmers. These homesteads will typically have you earn their loyalty by killing off the raiders who have been extorting them for "protection". Finally, as settlements grow in number, more and more caravans can be met moving between them, further justifying how Raiders exist off of stealing from others. |
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Kings of the Wyld: After centuries of mercenaries making names for themselves by killing every kobold and harpy that gets within ten miles of a human settlement, there aren't really many monsters left outside the Heartwyld. The cities found a logical (albeit horrifying) solution to this problem: Breed the monsters themselves, and have mercenaries fight them in the arena. The old-timer mercenaries are all disturbed at the idea, and even the younger generation admit there's not much glory in that kind of fight. | |
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Final Fantasy VI takes this to hilarious extremes with the town of Zozo, which appears to be populated entirely by criminals who sit around waiting for travelers to mug and lie to. Strangely enough, Zozo appears to be the most modern town in the game, second only perhaps to Vector. | |
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Pointedly subverted in the Hackmaster module "Frandor's Keep". The local bandit gang is not entirely profitable, and the leader has to pay for the gang's expenses out of his own pocket for months at a time. The leader started the gang for personal reasons (revenge on the keep authority), rather than hopes of making money. | |
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In Transcendence, most of the star systems in Human Space have more criminal than lawful stations. | |
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The Dark Zone in The Division is completely devoid of civilians, and while the various gangs are obviously looting the abandoned buildings that are left, one has to question how there are so many left. Do they still have running water and so on? | |
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Conan Edogawa of Case Closed sure runs into a lot of criminal cases (with a disproportionate-seeming amount of murders among them) for a single kid detective — enough to have made a career out of solving them by the age of seventeen even before he got shrunk down again. | |
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Some of the pirate crews in One Piece are preying upon towns too small to sustain them, and the world in general seems to have an unsustainably high pirate population. Justified in some cases, such as with Arlong, whose crew have lived on an island for decades but take tribute from seven nearby towns to sustain themselves. Also, the current status quo where people are searching for a legendary lost cache of Pirate Booty has led to a probably-temporary boom in pirate numbers. | |
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A similar kind of logic applies to Murder, She Wrote, in which the murder rate in Cabot Cove, Maine is ludicrously out of proportion to its peaceful, gentrified population. The Alternate Character Interpretation of Jessica being the one behind all of those murders is brought up In-Universe in one episode ("Witness For The Defense"), when the guest star Amoral Attorney tries to shoot down Jessica's viability as a witness in a murderer's court hearing by pointing out that she and her entire extended family are such a hard-core Mystery Magnet that they may as well be a bunch of murderous maniacs but nobody's been able to prove it yet. | |
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Magic: The Gathering: In a trophic rather than economic version, the demiplane of Grixis in the "Shards of Alara" block is populated almost entirely by undead predators, with few living creatures and no equivalent of photosynthesis that would introduce new energy into the ecosystem. Many cards take note of the problem of Grixis' ecosystem (such as it is) winding down, a problem eventually mitigated by the collision of the shards. The Innistrad plane suffers from Ravenloft's version (mentioned above) of more monsters than humans. It's actually a Discussed Trope, though, as some of the vampires are trying to essentially use sustainable farming methods on the humans, while some of the werewolves actively want the plane to reach a predator-only state. In the mid-point of the block, Dark Ascension, the humans actually are dwindling in population. Sorin Markov had to create an angelic Big Good (Avacyn) in an attempt to avert this trope. Innistrad's problems started when Avacyn got herself sealed in the Hellvault. |
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Ravenloft: Predatory variant: The setting's largest territory, the Core, is roughly the size of Denmark, and most of its domains have populations in the low thousands. Yet it somehow sustains massive numbers of vampires, werebeasts, and other monsters that pass for human in public, while subsisting wholly or largely on human prey. Never mind how they can maintain the masquerade when half the population is a monster in disguise: unless the monsters are eating each other, there shouldn't be anybody left alive there. Ravenloft is constantly kidnapping people from other planes, so it actually makes sense that they would need to be disposed of to prevent overpopulation. It's common for Dungeon Masters to houserule the populations to make them bigger to alleviate this bit of Fridge Logic. In the Curse of Strahd adventure, it's stated that only about 1/10 Barovians actually have souls. Subverted, however, in that Barovians are aware of this, and in fact all that soullessness does is make you largely incapable of strong emotions and determination. The adventure itself says that the Mists themselves create said people largely to provide prey for the monsters. |
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The Outer Worlds uses this trope with the Marauders in Gilded Vale but justifies it by saying that they're recent deserters from a Dying Town who don't really have a long-term plan. | |
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Pathfinder: Worldscape: The greatest warriors and legends from three separate worlds are pulled into the titular demiplane, but the number of murderers, thugs, thieves and other scum is highly disproportionate to actually heroic individuals. There are at least enough of them to turn the demiplane's city of Shareen into a Wretched Hive. | |
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In both The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (which share the same timeline and version of Hyrule), the Dark World counterpart of Kakariko Village – Hyrule's only town – is Thieves' Town, which is of course entirely made up of thieves and various assorted criminals. In the former game, this is justified, as the only people who went over are thieves trying to steal the Golden Power, but not so much in the latter, which takes place in Lorule, which is supposedly a normal, functional kingdom. It's implied by Princess Hilda that the kingdom seriously went downhill after they destroyed their Triforce. Most likely the town wasn't always that way. There also are citizens who aren't dangerous, but are very strange (they appear to all be in some mask cult). | |
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On Monty Python's Flying Circus, Highwayman Dennis Moore has this trouble. At first he stole Lupins from the rich to give to the poor; eventually the poor were able to get it into his skull that they'd rather have money. So Moore started robbing the rich of their riches, with the result that the rich were poor and the poor were rich. Eventually Moore resorted to stopping coaches, making people pull out what money they have, and redistributing it so they all have the same amount. | |
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For all that Guybrush Threepwood wants to be a mighty pirate in the Monkey Island games... how often does anyone plunder anything that's not another pirate's? In the third game, you are attacking other pirate ships and taking their plunder. It's not clear where they got it, but you can assume it was another pirate. One of the ships you can attack, though, is an unarmed glass-bottom boat. Guybrush feels really bad about attacking innocent people. | |
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This was one of the reasons Colin Dexter gave for announcing he would never write another Inspector Morse novel. | |
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In Heavy Object the city of Lost Angels is an actual example of this. The majority of the populace are spies posing as criminals or actual criminals, with just a small portion being drifters and exiles who can't live anywhere else. The only reason the city can survive in its current state is the constant flow of government subsidies. | |
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Dungeon Siege, in which the necessity of giving players people to fight results in so many bandits on the roads that you wonder why they haven't starved to death yet. | |
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Mafia Wars carries this as a strong implication. Tens of thousands of Mafia robbing banks, assassinating FBI agents, and having gang wars in the middle of the street on a daily basis can't be healthy for any rational economy. | |
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Parodied in RPG World: the backstory for a few of the characters is that they were in a town which was economically depressed until it was revitalized when everyone became a criminal. | |
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British mystery series Midsomer Murders loses three or four members of a small village per episode. One of the commentary tracks notes that there shouldn't be anyone left by now. | |
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Mass Effect: Andromeda: About a year before the start of the game, the Nexus suffered a mutiny. When the mutineers were defeated, they were kicked off the station (along with the security chief and a significant portion of her staff, who had joined them) and became the Exiles. We are never given a hard number for how many Exiles there are, but the rest of the Arks only had twenty thousand people each, so it shouldn't be more than that. The Exiles then found Kadara, a barely habitable world that already had an angara colony, which was being menaced by the kett. The Exiles defeated the kett, becoming the masters of Kadara Port, and then started raiding Nexus supplies and overall just continuing to be criminals. It's lampshaded several times that this sort of behavior isn't sustainable, but between a traitor on the Nexus sending them supplies and further criminals being sent to them, they're lasting longer than expected. Many people on the Nexus grumble that while their first two colonies failed disastrously, the Exiles actually managed to find a survivable planet. | |
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Baldur's Gate appears to have this, with bandits plaguing the roads to such an extent that trade has ground to a halt - which raises the question of why the bandits are still there if their prey is no longer risking the trip. Somewhat unusually, though, there's an answer: the bandits were actually hired by someone specifically to shut down trade, so the fact that the merchants are staying home isn't a problem for them. | |
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Deliberately played straight in Mass Effect: Interregnum, in a very serious way. It's commented at several points that Omega's criminal population seems to outnumber its innocent population (mainly because why would innocent people go there in the first place?), to the point that Garrus sarcastically remarks that Omega's the only place in the galaxy where you could fire an assault rifle into a crowd and come out with a net karma boost. Things get a whole lot more serious, however, when Golf sets out to destroy Omega's entire population, saying he's done the numbers, and the future-harm-reduction benefits of exterminating everyone on Omega would literally outweigh the innocent deaths. | |
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City of Heroes: Paragon City is endlessly populated with Gangs of Hats, Mecha-Mooks, Gaia's Vengeance monsters, ancient malevolent spirits, demons, aliens, rogue military/black ops groups, Corrupt Corporate Executives and their minions, witches, zombies, a Mad Doctor's minions, wizards, The Mafia, escaped prisoners, and a Circus of Fear. It gets a bit of lampshading; people complain about, for instance, repeatedly getting their purses stolen. It's also home to an opposite problem; more heroes than citizens. It's kind of funny to see an entire park full of brightly-costumed vigilantes watch the only civilian for five blocks walk by, waiting patiently for the inevitable mugging to happen. Rogue Isles, where the only legitimate businesses seen in the entire freaking city are a bunch of fisheries, and in fact people need to be reminded that their economy is not just a endless cycle of people stealing from each other. |
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