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Name Order Confusion
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Modern cultures use different conventions for what constitutes a personal name, resulting in all kinds of misunderstandings when speaking about foreign names. Additionally, there may be further confusion caused by different conventions in the same country, most notably formal documents or lists sorted by family name. For potential sources of this confusion, as well as further details on various real life Naming Conventions, see Name Order Conventions. |
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Girls und Panzer: The anime's English dub's translators put the name in Western order, but the manga's translators used Eastern... except on the back cover of volume 2. | |
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An example of the inconsistency comes from the English dub of Iron Chef, where Japanese chefs (whether Iron Chef or challenger) have their names changed to the western, given name first order, but Chinese chefs (including Iron Chef Chen, born in Japan to parents who emigrated from China) had their names left with the family name first. The easiest way to figure it out is probably to listen to the Chariman's undubbed dialogue. | |
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The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles used this as an educational tool, when Indy is visiting India and meets none other than Krishnamurti: | |
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Unlike everyone else in Ojojojo, Chris Portman was always referred to by his first name. In chapter 29 (which focused on the topic of First-Name Basis) it turned out that everyone thought it was his last name since, being British, he gave his name in western order when he was introduced. | |
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Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha: Nanoha and Yuuno, who come from Japan and Mid-Childa (where names are in Western order) respectively, defy this. Nanoha, points out that "(her) friends call (her) Nanoha", and Yuuno specifies the order of his given and family names. Also, no one on Mid-Childa ever has a problem understanding Vivio's name being in Japanese order a decade and a half later in ViVid despite her being one of only three people on the planet to do so. | |
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Attack on Titan: In early translations, Hange Zoë is sometimes called Zoë Hange, due to Zoë typically being a first name. | |
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When Yotsuba&! first introduces herself to Miura, she puts her given name first, then says her name again, family name first. When Miura asks which it is, she gives her given name. | |
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In the final episode of The Mandalorian Season 3, the Child is formally adopted and renamed Din Grogu, implying that Din Djarin uses the Eastern name order. Mandalorians are not otherwise shown to use that order. (e.g. Boba Fett is the son of Jango Fett). | |
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The first Splinter Cell game has Renegade Chinese General Kong Feirong. "Kong" is a legitimate Chinese family name, but the characters consistently refer to him as "Feirong" assuming that is his surname. The third game, Chaos Theory, gets it right when referring to Japanese names, but that's because those names are treated in Western order from the get-go. | |
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Rockstar seems to have trouble with this whenever they have Chinese characters in the Grand Theft Auto series. Most of the time it can be handwaved by assuming that the characters in question use the Western name order while in America, to make things less confusing for the locals. Given that track record, however, it was inevitable they would walk right into this in Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars, as they did with Triad boss Hsin Jaoming and his son... Chan Jaoming. | |
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At one point early in Bram Stoker's original Dracula, the Count accidentally calls Jonathan Harker "Harker Jonathan" and explains that he slipped into his country's tradition of giving the family name first. Transylvania was part of Hungary at the time, and Dracula claims to be a Székely note Székelys are a Hungarian ethnic subgroup in the same chapter. | |
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In The Order of the Stick, Roy asks Miko Miyazaki what order her names come in. Miko is her given name, and Miyazaki is her surname. | |
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In Dave Barry Slept Here, Warren G. Harding is also known as G. Harding Warren and Harding G. Harding. | |
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The Japanese protagonist of Aura Battler Dunbine is addressed as Show Zama while in Byston Well, both by natives and other people summoned from Earth, and that's how he introduces himself. When a battlefield accident returns him to Japan, the officials interrogating him and reporters covering the story refer to him as Zama Show. For the record, Show is his given name. | |
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Osaka of Azumanga Daioh wondered whether "Blue Three" (Buruu Surii; i.e. Bruce Lee) had "Blue" for his surname, but Tomo pointed out that he's a foreigner, so his surname would be "Three" (which is Right for the Wrong Reasons; Bruce Lee was from China, which has the same name order as Japan, but that particular name of his is in western order). Translators usually change this joke because it would be too confusing for western viewers, in part because translated anime tends to reverse the name order anyway; we're introduced to Tomo Takino, not Takino Tomo. The manga adapted this by having Osaka and Tomo argue about (Jean-Claude) Van Damme. Tomo thinks the right order must be "Damme Van". The followup joke is also different — instead of wondering who Blue One and Two would be, Osaka wonders whether there's a Damn Car. | |
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In Pain Note The Ressurekshun of Ray Pember, during the second chapter, Ray Pember makes an offhand mention of his sister being “Ray Ayanmi�, which confuses Naomi since they share a first name, to which Ray explains that “in Japan your first name is your last name or something�. | |
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In From Bajor to the Black a human mistakenly addresses the Bajoran viewpoint character as "Sergeant Eleya". Kanril Eleya quickly corrects him that Eleya is her given name, not her surname. | |
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In one episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine the senior staff get absorbed into a James Bond-like holoprogram, with their personalities overwritten with the characters in the program; Major Kira Nerys (Bajoran) becomes a Russian spy with no familiarity with outer space, let alone Bajorans. When she hears Dr. Bashir & Garak (the only two whose minds haven't been altered) refer to her as "Major Kira" and "Nerys" she asks "Who is this Nerys Kira?" | |
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Star Trek: Bajoran family names come first, followed by the given name. This caused some confusion when Riker, upon first meeting Ro Laren in "Ensign Ro", addressed her as "Ensign Laren", which the ensign was quick to point out was wrong. Most Bajorans tend to forgive this faux pas to outsiders, and Ro mentions in the same episode that some switch the order for outsiders' benefit. In one episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine the senior staff get absorbed into a James Bond-like holoprogram, with their personalities overwritten with the characters in the program; Major Kira Nerys (Bajoran) becomes a Russian spy with no familiarity with outer space, let alone Bajorans. When she hears Dr. Bashir & Garak (the only two whose minds haven't been altered) refer to her as "Major Kira" and "Nerys" she asks "Who is this Nerys Kira?" |
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The trope is referenced in Team America: World Police when Hans Blix calls Kim Jong-il "Mr. Il". | |
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In Gundam, the Super Robot Wars franchise has a problem with their original characters: No matter if the character is Japanese or not, their name will be always written in the Western order. Even weirder that in the manuals and additional materials, they normally display the names in katakana and western order, along with the same name written in kanji and Asian order. This is Played for Laughs in MasouKishin when Masaki Ando, a Japanese, is summoned to La Gias for the first time and Tytti welcomes him: | |
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In the One Piece fanfic This Bites!, self-insert Jeremiah Cross introduces his name in the western order, so the Straw Hats (whose world uses family name first) thinks that Cross is his given name. Cross pretty much goes with it since he's doesn't like going by "Jeremiah" anyway. | |
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Certain DanceDanceRevolution remixes feature the song "Telephone Operator" by Pete(r) Shelley, but his name is mis-ordered as Shelley Peter. | |
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Called out in Reign of the Seven Spellblades. Samurai girl Hibiya Nanao first introduces herself in Eastern order, then remarks that according to the customs where the series takes place, she would be called Nanao Hibiya, and keeps using that order for the remainder of the series. | |
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Being a Japanese agency, the vast majority of hololive's talents have their names officially written (as in, whenever their full names are written in any kind of official context) in Japanese order (Familyname Givenname), even if they are from one of the non-Japanese branches (hololive Indonesia and hololive English). Despite this, a few of the non-Japanese members, such as Calliope and Amelia of Holo EN Generation 1 prefer to use the Western order (Givenname Familyname) of their names ("Calliope Mori" and "Amelia Watson", respectively), at least when saying them out loud. Prior to the introduction of Holo EN Generation 3, where all but one of its members have their names officially written in Western order, the seven existing members whose names were officially written in Western order all hailed from a branch other than an English branch of Hololive Productions.List of membersAki Rosenthal and La+ Darknesss of hololive Japan, Astel Leda from holostars Japan, and Moona Hoshinova, Anya Melfissa, Kaela Kovalskia and Kobo Kanaeru of hololive Indonesia. Further complicating the Indonesian examples is that officially, Indonesia does not distinguish between a given name and family name, so there's technically nothing to be (re)ordered on. Their "given names" are just part of their full name they prefer to be called with. | |
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The English version of Project SEKAI has the names of the Virtual Singers in Japanese order (except for MEIKO and KAITO, who have Only One Name) while the rest of the cast are in Western order. | |
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In How a Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom, the main character constantly introduces himself as "Souma Kazuya". He's using the Eastern order and never thinks that everyone around him uses the Western order. By the time he realizes the mistake, it's too entrenched to change, so he goes by "Souma" as his regnal name for the rest of the series, though he insists his closer friends and eventual Royal Harem call him "Kazuya" in private. | |
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A scene in Soul Eater Not! has students trying to guess what country Kim Diehl is from. One thought she was Korean, but is informed she's "not that kind of Kim" (i.e. mistook the English given name for the Korean surname). | |
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A 1974 film by Louis Malle is entitled Lacombe Lucien in the original French. The central character is a peasant boy called Lucien Lacombe; the title gives his name in the manner of an official document. To avert the confusion, a comma was added after "Lacombe" e. g. for the English and German editions of the film. | |
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In Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, for the wacky High School AU spin-off Kimetsu Gakuen / Demon Slayer Middle & Highschool, the demon girl named Susamaru had her name oddly separated into two for this alternate world: Susa (family name) and Maru (given name), the western reading for her full name is the bizarre sounding Maru Susa, ordered as such in the official English release, showing this gag was definitely made with only japanese in mind. | |
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When Akko first introduces herself to Andrew in Little Witch Academia (2017), she introduces herself in Japanese name order, before swapping to western order (the series is set in England). | |
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Transmetropolitan: Mentioned in passing by Spider; he uses the fact that his contact in Hong Kong thought "Spider" was his family name as proof of how insular and out of touch with western culture Hong Kong had become. | |
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The Columbia/Sony English dub of Rurouni Kenshin (distributed as Samurai X) had this issue with the characters of Saito Hajime and Shishio Makoto, giving their names in that order while everybody else's names were written in Western order, as if to say that Saito and Shishio were the characters' given names. In fact, those are their surnames, with Hajime and Makoto being their given names. The Cartoon Network/Toonami version, which is carried under the series' original name, renders the two men's names in the correct Western order. | |
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In The Odd Way Home, Duncan addresses Maya's mother as Mrs. Maya. | |
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