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Non-Standard Skill Learning
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In video games, skills are usually learned through a standard mean. Be it by leveling up, or by collecting job points, or even by buying scrolls and books that teach the skills. No matter which method the game used, the majority of the skills are obtained by this method. Enter this trope. There are certain skills that cannot be learned through the usual method. They need to be obtained through other means, like advancing the storyline, building up friendship with your party members, completing that old granny's request to buy her groceries, or defeating the super-duper strong hidden monster whose existence may or may not be hinted at. The point is, don't expect to learn this skill just by the standard procedure. For a completionist, this might be the Last Lousy Point. May be related to Everyone Has a Special Move, if these moves must be unlocked by the story. New Skill as Reward is generally a subtrope, unless the game's main means of providing new skills is as rewards for completing quests. Related to Skill Scores and Perks. For the leveling-up version, see Easy EXP. |
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In Wizardry 8 the spells are learned upon level up, when you can pick one. However, Bard and Gadgeteer, two classes that can use what is basically an equivalent of spell (at stamina cost only, no less), get them by finding musical instruments and parts of gadgets that have to be assembled together respectively. | |
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The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: As with most Zelda games, Link needs to clear out dungeons so he can use items that will let him progress further in the environment. New sword skills to deal with unusual enemies, however, are learned by howling along with the wind at certain stones, finding a golden wolf on the overworld, and learning the technique fromOoT's Link, now a gold-armored ghost. | |
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In Divinity: Original Sin II, most skills (i.e.: spells, special attacks, etc.) are learned by consuming Skill Books, except: The Godwoken player character's patron god directly imparts skills related to their special powers of Sourcery in their shared Mental World. The Summon Cat Familiar, Summon Condor, and Deafening Shriek skills can only be learned at specific points in the game by bringing the cat to safety, convincing the condor to join you, and consuming a unique flower, respectively. By completing his personal quest, the Red Prince gains the unique ability to summon a dragonling, his firstborn child. |
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The One Ring: Characters can normally use a downtime phase to exchange one of their Specialities for a new one. However, if they can gain the favour of certain tutors, they can learn extra Specialities without the trade-off, like Smoking from Gandalf the Grey Wizard, Shadow-Lore from Saruman the White, or Old-lore from the Ents. | |
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Most Djinn are found in towns and dungeons, but some join the party with other characters (this is more prevalent in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn). | |
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In the first game, the most powerful skills of Yuri's level three fusions can only be learned by letting him go berserk in battle. | |
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In Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy, Lily is the only one whose upgraded skills, instead of learned through the Grow Book, are obtained through certain cutscenes after creating certain items. | |
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The Blaster skill in both Might and Magic VI and VII is unlocked by story events towards the end of the games, unlike the standard method of finding a related store and paying for basic training (further enhancement worked like normal for skills, however). | |
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In Disgaea, starting from the second game there is always one party member whose ultimate skill is obtained through the story instead of leveling up. In Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories we have Yukimaru's Midare Fubuki. In Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice we have Mao's Vasa Aergun. Fuuka's Prinny Kaiser XX in Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten. Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance pulls a two-fer on this trope. Aside from Killia learning Avidya Holy Water and Macrocosm in this manner, there's also each of the story characters' Overload Skills, which coincide with some Character Development. Seraphina, Red Magnus and Christo start with their Overloads, which gain an upgrade; in contrast Zeroken, Usalia and Killia unlock theirs. |
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Ancient Domains of Mystery is unique in regards to this trope. You only improve your existing skills by levelling up and the usual way to learn new ones is from NPCs and wishes. However, mindcrafters and elementalists learn new Mindcrafting powers and new spells, respectively, upon level up. | |
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There are several examples in Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana: At one point in the story, Klein will get the option to either learn the skill Living Item or the ability to create Ether Bulb. You can get the other one later, though. Norn's Illusion skill is gotten through solving the puzzle in Ka Luda's playground the second time, using the black pieces instead of white. Delsus' Spirit Shot skill, gotten from completing an optional sidequest from the old man at Lake Forwell near the end of the game. Lita's Pale Wing skill, gotten after a certain storyline event near the end of the game. |
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Fire Emblem series: A variation. Most characters promote to their Prestige Class by using a Master Seal (or class-appropriate promotion item) at Level 10 or above. Most of the main characters, however, have their promotion tied to a story event and cannot do so beforehand. Examples involve Ike being made a noble in Path of Radiance (because having a commoner lead the country's main army would cause a political scandal) and, most infamously, Roy acquiring the Binding Blade in the game of the same name (infamous because it occurs a mere three chapters before the end of the game, making the protagonist very under-powered for most of it). Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in Thracia 776 Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is lost for the rest of the game. Thracia 776 also has a case of this trope with actual skills. Mareeta can learn Astra by talking to Shanam, the body-double of Prince Shanan of Isaac who's nowhere near as badass as the real thing. Hilariously, Shanam has no idea how to teach sword techniques, so just makes up some random crap and hopes she won't notice. This somehow manages to teach her the technique anyway, implying either Achievement In Ignorance or It Was with You All Along. Another skill example in Radiant Dawn. Normally characters learn their ultimate skill on promoting to their 3rd-tier class. Ike, however, learns Nihil in addition to Aether when promoting to Vanguard. This is probably a case of Anti-Frustration Features, as Nihil negates enemy skills and the Black Knight's Eclipse skill is so powerful no-one in the game can survive it. Given that Ike has a forced Duel Boss against the Black Knight later, giving him Nihil avoids the fight being a complete Luck-Based Mission. |
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In the SaGa series, you can generally spark learning new skills (randomly, of course) by spamming abilities lower on the skill tree. In SaGa Frontier 2, you can also enter one-on-one battle mode and enter your commands manually (i.e. "Slash + Backslash = Cross Slash", rather than selecting the "Cross Slash" skill from your menu), triggering new skills that way. |
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The Tales Series does this frequently, making some skills obtained through story events, sidequests, or by using certain other skills enough times. | |
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Downplayed by Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Final Fantasy Tactics A2, where the main method of learning skills is by earning Ability Points while equipped with a weapon that allows its temporary use, a mix of traditional and non-standard. Played straight by the Thief class skill Steal: Ability in Advance, which allows you to steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brainnote Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.. Advance thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind. Thieves were nerfed in A2, losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in Advance and A2, and learn skills the usual way; some enemies are only in certain missions, though, and missing them there means that you won't be able to get their teachable skills until another run. Morphers can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned Guide Dang It! monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them. | |
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In Six Ages: Ride Like The Wind, your nobles have seven stats. Six stats can be increased by having the noble in question enact a divine ritual, which is by far the most reliable method (each ritual increases two relevant stats by a full level). However, there is no ritual that boosts Magic, one of the most useful stats in the game. For that, you have to either rely on your nobles' slow natural stat growth, or take advantage of some rare exploration and random events. This is a case of Gameplay and Story Integration, since your best magicians are usually shamans, and shamans can't perform divine rituals because their magic comes from spirits rather than the gods. | |
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In Seven Kingdoms: The Princess Problem, most of the Player Character's stats can be boosted during Character Creation and trained for thereafter. There are two exceptions: Manipulation, which can be boosted in Character Creation but can only be increased later on by selecting a few specific dialogue choices, and Intuition, which can be gained only through taking specific dialogue choices—almost all of which happen close together during the same early scene. Naturally, these are the two most useful skills in the game. | |
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Final Fantasy VII averts this at the start, granting characters new Limit Breaks through repeated combat, but to teach a given character their level 4 Limit Break, you'll need a special item. There's also the Enemy Skill materia, which operates similarly to Blue Magic. | |
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In XCOM: Enemy Unknown, the basic psychic abilities are not part of the normal class-based skill tree, but instead unlocked randomly after a 10-day stay in the psi labs. More advanced psychic powers are tied not to the Character Level but to a separate Psi-EXP count that increases every time the unit successfully uses a psionic skill, while the most powerful psi ability, Rift, can only be learned by the Volunteer, a single soldier who enters the Gollop Chamber for the final mission. | |
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Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance pulls a two-fer on this trope. Aside from Killia learning Avidya Holy Water and Macrocosm in this manner, there's also each of the story characters' Overload Skills, which coincide with some Character Development. Seraphina, Red Magnus and Christo start with their Overloads, which gain an upgrade; in contrast Zeroken, Usalia and Killia unlock theirs. | |
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Some of Ryuudo's most advanced special moves in Grandia II can only be learned after defeating his brother Melfis. Millenia, meanwhile, gains new special attacks from every piece of Valmar the party defeats. | |
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Golden Sun: The Lost Age: Where battle Psynergy is learned by leveling up and utility Psynergy is found by equipping items, the game now features each of your party members gaining an exclusive skill by completing the elemental dungeons: Sheba learns to see invisible objects, Piers learns to evaporate large amounts of water, Felix learns to turn himself into sand to exploit Sand Is Water, and Jenna learns to amplify preexisting flames. The previous game had only one example, Ivan learning Reveal from Hama just before the dungeon that required it. In the previous game, Summon Magic was readily available and grew with the amount of Djinn used, doing large amounts of damage in return for lowering characters' stats. In TLA, new multielemental summons can be found in Guide Dang It!-worthy locations. Classes change every time a Djinni changes owner, modifying stats and spells, but for the item-based classes it only changes the rank. Most Djinn are found in towns and dungeons, but some join the party with other characters (this is more prevalent in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn). |
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In EarthBound (1994), spells are acquired by leveling up, except for the two tiers of Teleport for Ness. The first Teleport must be learned from a talking monkey, and the second one is automatically acquired after completing the Magicant level. | |
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In Persona 4, several of Rise's skills are obtained through Social Link instead of leveling up. In Persona 4 Golden, every party member gets a unique skill that is obtained through talking to them on a certain date after maxing their Social Links. All the party members have social link skills. Golden also adds "Bike Ride" skills, which allow the party members to learn new skills late in the game by going on a trip to a spa with the protagonist. |
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Fate/Grand Order: Mash Kyrielight's skills and level cap increases are gated by story progress. This means that she takes a lot longer to reach her full potential but will eventually become a very useful defensive support unit. At the completion of Lostbelt 6.2, Cu Chulainn Caster gets a buff to his Disengage skill, making him the first not-Mash Servant in the game to level up via story progress. There's a very good reason for that. |
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In Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice we have Mao's Vasa Aergun. | |
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Sword Fight: The first achievements will unlock skills that will eventually be considered basic use. Later, the player will found a new school, and recruit rivals to allow advancing some skills to level 30 (required to get the final rival stars). Some fighting tactics are obtained by progressing through quests. | |
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While Lunarosse goes with the Powers as Programs route, the four main characters can learn new moves via plot events or by building their Relationship Values. | |
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In Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories we have Yukimaru's Midare Fubuki. | |
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Geist: The Sin-Eaters: It only costs Experience to learn most Keys, the "themes" of Sin-Eaters' powers. However, the Stygian Key, which taps Death itself, requires the student to explore The Underworld, learn its secrets from one of the Undead Abominations that rule there, and sacrifice part of their body or mind. | |
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In Dragon Age: Origins, each party member has a hidden perk tree of "Inspired" abilities, which are automatically unlocked at 25, 50, 75, and 100 Disposition and give increasing bonuses to their primary character stats. If their Disposition to the Warden drops, however, the perks are revoked. Wynne additionally has an active power Vessel of the Spirit, which is unlocked by certain story events. | |
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In the "Kiwami" remake of Yakuza, Kiryu's "Dragon" style can only be upgraded via doing side content such as sidequests, training with Komaki or fighting Majima. As such it takes the longest to upgrade of all the other stances. | |
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Bravely Default also has Blue Mages, called Vampires. The bestiary clearly indicates which monster skills they can learn... Except for ones from DLC monsters that don't show up in the bestiary. | |
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While most skill scores in Wasteland 2 can be learned by anyone from the start, two are conspicuously grey out: the South-Western Folklore and the Combat Shooting. The former is a Kickstarter backer-exclusive reward, unlocked by giving a secret password to a specific character, while the latter is a Purposely Overpowered ability that can only be learned from a unique hidden book. | |
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Final Fantasy XIII-2 mostly uses the same system, but there is a notable new mechanic for the monster pets that serve as the third party member called Infusion, which consumes one monster to pass some of its passive and active skills to another one who might not normally be able to learn them. | |
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In Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny, Gray and Fee learn Dragon Slayer and Ein Zecksclaw respectively during the main story. | |
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Berserk Attacks, Panzer Dragoon Saga's equivalent to spells, are typically unlocked by leveling up, but there's a nearly equal number of exceptions. Some are found as hidden items in the world, one is learned by having Edge bond with his dragon in camp, and a whole series of "Wing" abilities are unlocked once the dragon gains the ability to transform itself. Furthermore, each tier of transformation, gained by defeating storyline bosses, brings with it an upgraded form of the dragon's laser attacks which can destroy more resilient objects in the various regions. | |
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Final Fantasy IV Due to a traumatic event at the start of the game, Rydia cannot use the spell Fire, until Rosa convinces her later in a storyline event. Hilariously enough, she can still learn Firaga given you do enough Level Grinding. Several of Rydia's summons can only be obtained from getting an item that Randomly Drops from certain types of enemies. Pray that the Random Number God is in a good mood. |
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Final Fantasy VI only had a couple of characters who would learn magic by leveling up, and a fairly limited set at that. In order to learn magic otherwise, Espers had to be equipped to the characters to teach them new spells by earning Ability Points (AP) in battle. Similar concepts were used in later games as well. Some of the character-specific abilities also had special conditions, including the resident Blue Magic user Strago. |
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Final Fantasy X-2: Most skills are learned by getting AP in combat for the respective job. Besides the usual Blue Magic taking form of Blue Bullet this time, there are some skills that can be learned only by getting specific items first, such as Magical Masque and MP Mambo for Dancer class and Limit Breakers for every Special Class. A variation are an ultimate skill and Ribbon for Mascot; while other classes may require learning of some previous skills for the same job, these ones require learning a skill of a different job first. Then there are Garment Grid exclusivities, such as Ultima or Holy. These can be learned only by spherechanging through some or all gates on grid, and only for one battle. |
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Even then, one particular promotion method stands out: in Thracia 776 Linoan can only promote by visiting the church in Chapter 21. And if anyone else visits it before she does, the chance to promote her is lost for the rest of the game. | |
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Dragon Quest IX: In order to access the advanced classes and obtain the best skills, the class/weapon trainers give you increasingly complicated (and luck-based) quests that involve killing a number of enemies a certain way, no two of which are the same. | |
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Smeargle, from Pokémon, who is the only Pokémon who can permanently learn attacks via Sketch. Everyone else has to level up to learn new moves, use a TM, HM or move tutor, or even be bred from two compatible Pokémon with the moves you want. | |
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In Mother 3, Lucas learns PK Flash by getting struck by lightning. Kumatora also learns PK Starstorm in the same fashion, though it's voluntary in her case. | |
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In Clive Barker's Undying, all spells are acquired by taking a magic scroll, except for the Lightning spell. For that one, you must take a lightning rod and put it in an orifice on a roof. A lightning will strike the rod and you will receive the electricity, which will give you the spell. | |
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In Chrono Cross, many of the ultimate or signature attacks are only obtained through doing a sidequest, some of which can be impossible to get if you don't make the right decisions during gameplay. In fact, getting the special ability for one character, Razzly the fairy, requires that you choose the worst option out of a quest in the previous disc and results in many innocent deaths. (It's the tragedy that ends up empowering her). | |
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Final Fantasy, very often used together with Guide Dang It!. The Blue Mage job is basically this as a whole job. While the rest of the jobs usually learn their skills by by gaining levels, Blue Mages don't. There are certain monster skills that the Blue Mages can learn. To learn these skills, the Blue Mage needs to be hit by the skill and survive (some games do it differently, like eating the monster). The problem is, the game won't bother telling which skills can be learned and which one can't or which monsters carry which skill. Summon Magic in general is this trope. They are often learned through defeating the summoned monsters in battle, but there are many other means. Also Limit Breaks. Each character usually has their own methods of obtaining their ultimate attacks. Final Fantasy IV Due to a traumatic event at the start of the game, Rydia cannot use the spell Fire, until Rosa convinces her later in a storyline event. Hilariously enough, she can still learn Firaga given you do enough Level Grinding. Several of Rydia's summons can only be obtained from getting an item that Randomly Drops from certain types of enemies. Pray that the Random Number God is in a good mood. Final Fantasy VI only had a couple of characters who would learn magic by leveling up, and a fairly limited set at that. In order to learn magic otherwise, Espers had to be equipped to the characters to teach them new spells by earning Ability Points (AP) in battle. Similar concepts were used in later games as well. Some of the character-specific abilities also had special conditions, including the resident Blue Magic user Strago. Final Fantasy VII averts this at the start, granting characters new Limit Breaks through repeated combat, but to teach a given character their level 4 Limit Break, you'll need a special item. There's also the Enemy Skill materia, which operates similarly to Blue Magic. The Limit Breaks in Final Fantasy VIII are like this. Squall's Limit Breaks are learned by upgrading his weapon, with the final upgrade teaching him all four finishers. Zell reads magazines to learn some of the stronger attacks and finishing moves. Quistis uses certain items to learn skills. Rinoa takes her dog for a walk, and learns a new skill during the plot. Irvine can use different bullets based on what's in the party's inventory. Selphie (technically) has all of her best Limit Break Magic available from the word go, but once you use the special ones once they show up more frequently in future. Technically speaking, you can also use all of Zell's moves right from the start, but you not only need to know the exact input to use them, but also what preceding moves you need to use for some of the finishers to be available, some of which also have the exact same requirements. In other words, unless you memorize a single specific path of moves to each finisher, you're better off just finding and reading the magazines for convenience's sake. The Overdrives in Final Fantasy X have this feel, due to the diverse nature of the party. Tidus and Lulu gain new Overdrives by using previous ones repeatedly and levelling up, respectively. Yuna only has one skill that she starts with, but gets new Aeons to summon with it during the plot. Rikku's overdrives are based on the party's inventory. Auron levels up by collecting movie spheres, Kimahri learns Overdrives from enemies, and Wakka gets additional Reels as prizes from winning Blitzball tournaments. One of the most ridiculous examples of Guide Dang It! would be Valefor's Energy Ray attack. How do you obtain it? By talking to a friggin' dog in the very first village. Tidus can learn a special blitzball skill (his father's signature move) by kicking blitzballs at hallucinations of his dad mocking and belittling him. Final Fantasy X-2: Most skills are learned by getting AP in combat for the respective job. Besides the usual Blue Magic taking form of Blue Bullet this time, there are some skills that can be learned only by getting specific items first, such as Magical Masque and MP Mambo for Dancer class and Limit Breakers for every Special Class. A variation are an ultimate skill and Ribbon for Mascot; while other classes may require learning of some previous skills for the same job, these ones require learning a skill of a different job first. Then there are Garment Grid exclusivities, such as Ultima or Holy. These can be learned only by spherechanging through some or all gates on grid, and only for one battle. In Final Fantasy XIII, most skills (including basic Attack) are represented by nodes on the Crystarium. The exception is the characters' Eidolons, which are obtained during the storyline and stored in the inventory. Final Fantasy XIII-2 mostly uses the same system, but there is a notable new mechanic for the monster pets that serve as the third party member called Infusion, which consumes one monster to pass some of its passive and active skills to another one who might not normally be able to learn them. Ramza's skillset gets larger over the course of Final Fantasy Tactics. There's also the Ultima spell (learnable only by Ramza and Alma, and only during two storyline fights) and the Zodiac summon (learnable only by summoners, during one optional fight), which are taught by being hit with (and surviving) the skill in combat, as opposed to most skills which are purchased with JP. Most other high-end spells that you can normally learn by spending JP can also be learned the same way, but due to the difficulty in actually finding enemies able to cast them and the need to use the same class that naturally learns said spell, few people find about it on their own. That, plus since the chance to learn the spell this way is the same as getting it from the crystal the enemy might turn into after dying and doing it that way doesn't require you to be the same class as the enemy, it's much more convenient to just kill them and attempt to get the skill from their crystal; the only real advantage of learning the spell by getting hit by it is the ability to possibly teach it to multiple characters, but chances are you won't have multiple mages of the right class available when you manage to find an enemy that can cast a spell that none of them have learned yet. Downplayed by Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Final Fantasy Tactics A2, where the main method of learning skills is by earning Ability Points while equipped with a weapon that allows its temporary use, a mix of traditional and non-standard. Played straight by the Thief class skill Steal: Ability in Advance, which allows you to steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brainnote Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.. Advance thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind. Thieves were nerfed in A2, losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in Advance and A2, and learn skills the usual way; some enemies are only in certain missions, though, and missing them there means that you won't be able to get their teachable skills until another run. Morphers can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned Guide Dang It! monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them. Bravely Default also has Blue Mages, called Vampires. The bestiary clearly indicates which monster skills they can learn... Except for ones from DLC monsters that don't show up in the bestiary. |
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In The Witcher, some perks/upgrades can only be learned by crafting and consuming unique mutagenic potions, e.g. Golem's Pith potion unlocks the Moonrise ability. Also, the Signs have to be unlocked at specific Circles of Elements before you can invest more skill points into them. | |
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In Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, you normally learn skills by investing skill/feat points into them. However, you can only learn advanced lightsaber combat forms by receiving instruction from or fighting the Jedi Masters you find throughout the game. | |
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In SaGa Frontier 2, you can also enter one-on-one battle mode and enter your commands manually (i.e. "Slash + Backslash = Cross Slash", rather than selecting the "Cross Slash" skill from your menu), triggering new skills that way. | |
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Chronicles of Darkness: Changeling: The Lost: All skills can be improved normally with experience points, but players with other types of 'currency' to burn can buy skill improvements at a Goblin Market. In accordance with the game's fantastical, illogical setting, the marketeers can bottle intangible things like charisma or knowledge of firearms, which they might sell for sanity points, mana, or a character's most cherished memory. The DM sets prices based on the skill's usefulness, its importance to the story, and what will add to the game's atmosphere- goblins don't have the same value system that humans do. Oneiromancer changelings can use people's dreams to teach them. The student still has to pay experience points, but they can spend their waking hours doing more important things than training, and improve the skill in much less time than normal training would take. Geist: The Sin-Eaters: It only costs Experience to learn most Keys, the "themes" of Sin-Eaters' powers. However, the Stygian Key, which taps Death itself, requires the student to explore The Underworld, learn its secrets from one of the Undead Abominations that rule there, and sacrifice part of their body or mind. Vampire: The Requiem: Vampires can usually learn a non-standard Discipline from any vampire who knows it. However, the mirror-themed discipline of Ars Speculorum can only be learned directly from the Mirror Monster who created it, Red Jack, and grants him power over the user. |
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Kyuu in Rakenzarn Tales is the only party member who doesn't learn moves by leveling up, so all his attacks have to be gained this way. The methods include training with others, gaining the knowledge from an information source, equipped a certain weapon or learning it from one of his dates. | |
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In Digital Devil Saga, if you answer certain dialogue choices throughout the two games, Argilla and Seraph will automatically obtain the skills Seraph Lore and Reincarnate, respectively, when you reach the final dungeon. Notably, you have to import a Digital Devil Saga 1 save into Digital Devil Saga 2 for those skills to be actually learned by those two, and should you merely import a Digital Devil Saga 1 save into Digital Devil Saga 2, then Gale will always learn Pyriphlegethon, regardless of dialogue choices. | |
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The Overdrives in Final Fantasy X have this feel, due to the diverse nature of the party. Tidus and Lulu gain new Overdrives by using previous ones repeatedly and levelling up, respectively. Yuna only has one skill that she starts with, but gets new Aeons to summon with it during the plot. Rikku's overdrives are based on the party's inventory. Auron levels up by collecting movie spheres, Kimahri learns Overdrives from enemies, and Wakka gets additional Reels as prizes from winning Blitzball tournaments. One of the most ridiculous examples of Guide Dang It! would be Valefor's Energy Ray attack. How do you obtain it? By talking to a friggin' dog in the very first village. Tidus can learn a special blitzball skill (his father's signature move) by kicking blitzballs at hallucinations of his dad mocking and belittling him. |
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Changeling: The Lost: All skills can be improved normally with experience points, but players with other types of 'currency' to burn can buy skill improvements at a Goblin Market. In accordance with the game's fantastical, illogical setting, the marketeers can bottle intangible things like charisma or knowledge of firearms, which they might sell for sanity points, mana, or a character's most cherished memory. The DM sets prices based on the skill's usefulness, its importance to the story, and what will add to the game's atmosphere- goblins don't have the same value system that humans do. Oneiromancer changelings can use people's dreams to teach them. The student still has to pay experience points, but they can spend their waking hours doing more important things than training, and improve the skill in much less time than normal training would take. |
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Ramza's skillset gets larger over the course of Final Fantasy Tactics. There's also the Ultima spell (learnable only by Ramza and Alma, and only during two storyline fights) and the Zodiac summon (learnable only by summoners, during one optional fight), which are taught by being hit with (and surviving) the skill in combat, as opposed to most skills which are purchased with JP. Most other high-end spells that you can normally learn by spending JP can also be learned the same way, but due to the difficulty in actually finding enemies able to cast them and the need to use the same class that naturally learns said spell, few people find about it on their own. That, plus since the chance to learn the spell this way is the same as getting it from the crystal the enemy might turn into after dying and doing it that way doesn't require you to be the same class as the enemy, it's much more convenient to just kill them and attempt to get the skill from their crystal; the only real advantage of learning the spell by getting hit by it is the ability to possibly teach it to multiple characters, but chances are you won't have multiple mages of the right class available when you manage to find an enemy that can cast a spell that none of them have learned yet. Downplayed by Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Final Fantasy Tactics A2, where the main method of learning skills is by earning Ability Points while equipped with a weapon that allows its temporary use, a mix of traditional and non-standard. Played straight by the Thief class skill Steal: Ability in Advance, which allows you to steal the knowledge of how to use a skill directly from an enemy's brainnote Steal: Ability can only steal skills that the thief would be capable of learning from equipment (based on their species, not on their current class; a hume can steal an Illusionist ability, for example, even if they're currently a soldier), and can't steal Reaction or Support abilities.. Advance thieves can also steal equipment that teaches new skills from enemies, for you to equip and grind. Thieves were nerfed in A2, losing the ability to steal abilities and equipment. Blue Mages also show up in Advance and A2, and learn skills the usual way; some enemies are only in certain missions, though, and missing them there means that you won't be able to get their teachable skills until another run. Morphers can also use monster souls to transform into monsters, gaining the monster's stats and abilities; to do so, a Hunter has to capture at least one monster of the species to get a soul for the Morpher to equip; the aforementioned Guide Dang It! monsters are morphable, too, so you need to capture them as well as let the BM be hit by them. |
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XCOM 2 has the Psi Operative class, which levels unlike any other soldier class in the game. Soldiers can only become Psi Ops after a Psi Lab facility is built in the Avenger, and only if they don't have a class already. Instead of gaining health, stats and abilities through experience earned in battle, Psi Ops train in their Psi Lab, and can choose one from three randomly-determined powers at the end of each days-long training session. This means that a total Rookie can, with luck, gain top-tier psychic powers like Void Rift or Null Lance after their first stint in the Psi Lab, or become a max-level Magus with every psychic power in the game before they've gone on a single mission. | |
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This occasionally shows up in the Atelier Series: There are several examples in Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana: At one point in the story, Klein will get the option to either learn the skill Living Item or the ability to create Ether Bulb. You can get the other one later, though. Norn's Illusion skill is gotten through solving the puzzle in Ka Luda's playground the second time, using the black pieces instead of white. Delsus' Spirit Shot skill, gotten from completing an optional sidequest from the old man at Lake Forwell near the end of the game. Lita's Pale Wing skill, gotten after a certain storyline event near the end of the game. In Atelier Iris 2: The Azoth of Destiny, Gray and Fee learn Dragon Slayer and Ein Zecksclaw respectively during the main story. In Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy, Lily is the only one whose upgraded skills, instead of learned through the Grow Book, are obtained through certain cutscenes after creating certain items. All of Gino's skills in Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland are obtained through doing his character events. |
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In both Covenant and From the new World the skills of all characters sans harmonixers like Yuri, Kurando and Shania are tied to their personal sidequests. Some of them make sense (Joachim learning new wrestling moves by sparing with his teacher The Great Gama; Frank gaining new Ninja skills by completing the trials set up by members of his village), other... don't (Karin learning new sword arts by reading chapters of Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen, Geppeto gaining new puppet spells by trading gay porn to a Camp Gay Tailor in exchange for new dresses for his doll daughter). | |
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In Dragon Age II, reaching either end of the Friendship/Rivalry scale of a party member makes it lock there permanently and unlocks that character's unique permanent bonus. | |
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In addition to spending job level points on skills, Tree of Savior has a second system which provides additional benefits. Each class has a Master associated with it, who can (for a sum of Silver) teach Attributes, which are either passive abilities that augment skills and stats, or toggleable abilities that significantly modify how those skills work. Most Attributes require time in addition to money to learn, but characters will continue to study them even while the player is logged out, similar to EVE Online. | |
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The Limit Breaks in Final Fantasy VIII are like this. Squall's Limit Breaks are learned by upgrading his weapon, with the final upgrade teaching him all four finishers. Zell reads magazines to learn some of the stronger attacks and finishing moves. Quistis uses certain items to learn skills. Rinoa takes her dog for a walk, and learns a new skill during the plot. Irvine can use different bullets based on what's in the party's inventory. Selphie (technically) has all of her best Limit Break Magic available from the word go, but once you use the special ones once they show up more frequently in future. Technically speaking, you can also use all of Zell's moves right from the start, but you not only need to know the exact input to use them, but also what preceding moves you need to use for some of the finishers to be available, some of which also have the exact same requirements. In other words, unless you memorize a single specific path of moves to each finisher, you're better off just finding and reading the magazines for convenience's sake. |
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In Final Fantasy XIII, most skills (including basic Attack) are represented by nodes on the Crystarium. The exception is the characters' Eidolons, which are obtained during the storyline and stored in the inventory. Final Fantasy XIII-2 mostly uses the same system, but there is a notable new mechanic for the monster pets that serve as the third party member called Infusion, which consumes one monster to pass some of its passive and active skills to another one who might not normally be able to learn them. |
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All of Gino's skills in Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland are obtained through doing his character events. | |
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Kingdom of Loathing has a number of skills that can only be acquired from consumable quest rewards, and a few from special encounters. Undersea skills are learned from following an old sea monkey who doesn't want to be rescued until he does something badass. The skills for The Way of the Surprising Fist path are learned entirely from special encounters. In The Source special challenge path, you learn skills for fighting Source Agents by getting Enlightenment, and you get Enlightenment by finding "no spoons" for the Oracle, as a Shout-Out to The Matrix. In the Journeyman special challenge path, all class skills, which are normally learned from guild trainers, have to be learned from special encounters in select, often seldom-visited locations. They can get a little Mind Screw-y, because some of the encounters describe things like physically discovering a skill lodged in a cigar box or finding a skill (not a skill trainer, a skill) living in an old house. |
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The Otakon LARP characters can only learn new skills, and can only earn one rank in that skill. | |
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In The Council, skill points can be 'bought' during leveling up and automatically granted based on how the protagonist is played; failing too many social confrontations will grant the talent "Tactless", which boosts Conviction but makes Etiquette uses cost more Effort Points. Succeeding on one's first try at solving the Greek statues puzzle will give an Erudition-boosting trait. Neither traits or talents are optional, presumably so the player will remain consistent with 'their' version of Louis. | |
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In BoxxyQuest: The Gathering Storm, there's a literal Skill Tree in East YouTube that will teach all playable characters an unique ability one at the time. The tree will "reset" at every plot advancement, with the last ability being available only in the post game. | |
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The Kingdom Hearts series spreads learning abilities across various methods (level up, progress the plot, defeat a boss, or complete some other challenge), but that comes across as not having one "standard" method in the first place. Though stat boosts come primarily through level-ups, so that might create an expectation that most character growth is from experience points. | |
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Another skill example in Radiant Dawn. Normally characters learn their ultimate skill on promoting to their 3rd-tier class. Ike, however, learns Nihil in addition to Aether when promoting to Vanguard. This is probably a case of Anti-Frustration Features, as Nihil negates enemy skills and the Black Knight's Eclipse skill is so powerful no-one in the game can survive it. Given that Ike has a forced Duel Boss against the Black Knight later, giving him Nihil avoids the fight being a complete Luck-Based Mission. | |
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Vampire: The Requiem: Vampires can usually learn a non-standard Discipline from any vampire who knows it. However, the mirror-themed discipline of Ars Speculorum can only be learned directly from the Mirror Monster who created it, Red Jack, and grants him power over the user. | |
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