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Not That Kind of Mage

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Not That Kind of Mage	comment	Basically, this is when one type or tradition of mage is mistaken for another, or someone mistakenly assumes that the mage would fit an incorrect pop culture version of a wizard. See also Not That Kind of Doctor, Our Mages Are Different, Magic A Is Magic A. (This is a case of Magic A is not Magic B.) Often overlaps with Mutually Exclusive Magic. Unequal Rites can be a result. See also Magicians Are Wizards.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_1f76648	comment	In A Certain Magical Index, people occasionally confuse Espers and Magicians, resulting in a couple of attempts to develop esper powers by studying magic. However, actual magicians and residents of Academy City can usually tell the difference at a glance. More thorough confusion concerns the main character, who is neither.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_2372359	comment	In The Belgariad, sorcerers have a powerful form of Inherent Gift, while magicians summon and "control" demons. Calling a sorcerer a magician is seen as very insulting. (Ironically, Belgarath is both, though he normally relies on his sorcery and is smart enough to only summon a demon when a). he absolutely needs to and b). it's not very powerful. He still only does it once across ten books). He's also not above disguising himself as a magician and using sorcerous illusions to make it look like he's summoned a demon. Again, though, once in ten books. Beyond that, there are Witches (well, a witch). She even gets the differences confused at one point, asking Belgarath to perform a spell that she can't, then offering him the use of any spell components he needs (sorcery is a completely mental thing). There also exist wizards (only one of whom is ever named, but an entire city of them exists at Kell), but the reader never sees any wizardry, and thus has no idea what they do. One of the sorcerers remarks on people's inability to keep the various varieties of magic straight, noting that most people take everything they've ever heard about any of them, and lump it all together with the assumption that any person who is capable of any of that fantastic stuff is capable of doing all of it.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_2afd4546	comment	In The Dragon and the Butterfly, when both Hiccup and Stoick's party experience Madrigal-magic for the first time, they immediately assume that they're a family of witches and warlocks. The Madrigals are quick to correct them on this, Isabela in particular finding it offensive.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_2ee053b1	comment	Yes, Your Grace: This can be invoked by the Player Character. The Court Witch seems to have quite versatile abilities. If the Court Witch is busy elsewhere when a specific petitioner shows up needing her for Weather Manipulation, the Player Character can claim that she's more of a healer.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_399699b9	comment	Talk to Me is about a disembodied hand that lets people get possessed by ghosts temporarily. One of the teens says the hand belonged to a psychic, another corrects him saying it belonged to a medium with a third guy saying he thought it belonged to a Satanist.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_3e1e745c	comment	Telemain from the Enchanted Forest Chronicles frequently gets mistaken for a wizard (who only knows one type of magic) when he is infact a magician (who studies many kinds of magic) albeit one who is particularly interested in finding out how wizard magic works and interacts with other types of magic. Also, nobody likes wizards in that series, and with good reason.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_41b0198a	comment	The Dresden Files Harry Dresden gets this a lot, even though his ad in the Yellow Pages states specifically what he will or won't do. Some of these are actual magical limitations, while others he follows according to his personal code or the laws of the White Council. And he doesn't do parties.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_468bebb0	comment	Discworld: In the novel Wyrd Sisters, Nanny Ogg is captured and placed in a dungeon, much to the surprise of a ghost who doesn't realise witchcraft mostly affects natural phenomena and people's minds. Ponder Stibbons represents a major break from accepted tradition at Unseen University. In the vanguard of a younger new wave of magic users, he spurns the old dribbly-candle, stuffed alligator and potions-made-from-miscellaneous-animal-glands school of thought for a more scientifically rigorous approach to the magical art. Indeed, science comes before magic in his priorities. He has never been seen to carry a staff, favours a drab olive-green robe with a hood, and, to the despair and bewilderment of his elders, is keener on co-operation with his peers rather than magical warfare. He also forgets to eat when something more interesting is going on, and remains pretty skinny and nerdy in a place full of three-hundred-pounder Big Eaters.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_49ad83ee	comment	Uncommon but still present in World of Warcraft. Mages, how many times have you been asked for a soulstone or summon? Warlocks, how many times have you been asked for a portal or food and water? Come on, we all know it's happened at least once. Due to some classes having to chose to specialize in only one of multiple potential roles this would happen to many non mage classes. A druid may be invited to a party to heal when he has allocated all his talents to becoming a giant bear and mauling people, or to do damage when he had specialized in being a slow moving healing tree that couldn't even cast offensive magic in his preferred form. The Wrath of the Lich King expansion lowered the occurrence of this by allowing classes to specify which roles they could perform when looking for a group. With the advent of Dual Specialization (being able to have two talent setups that the player can switch between at will), tanking and healing classes can still be hit with this. Generally the inactive talents are for one of those roles but some players use their inactive page for a Player Versus Player setup.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_5755b96a	comment	In The Order of the Stick, The Oracle of the Sunken Valley gets his prophecies from the Goddess Tiamat, so Haley assumes he's a cleric. The Oracle explains that he's not, and that this assumption happens a lot. Later on we meet Veldrina, who isn't a cleric, but rather a favored-soul of a minor Elven Goddess. She can cast cleric spells, but the learning process is different, and she lacks some that should be available at her level.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_68237790	comment	Pathfinder takes it up a notch. It has the traditional D&D core casters, but then adds in the Witch (a debuff/mezzer with light damage and healing), the Alchemist, the Summoner (a medium-duty caster with a pet monster), the Inquisitor (a leader-type hybrid of rogue/cleric), the Magus (a hybrid wizard/fighter), and the Oracle (a sorcerer-like divine caster) to the Core classes. Most of the old 3.X line is also compatible. It can overwhelm new players but also allow old players very different takes on the generic "caster" variants. For bonus points there are specializations that seem intentionally designed to let you fake your way through pretending to be a different kind of caster. The most blatant example being the Sorcerer "arcane" bloodline, which grants the standard analysis spells favored by wizards, a wizard familiar, extra knowledge specialties, and the ability to use certain magic-related feats in a manner that looks like how a wizard uses them. Slap an oversized book of gibberish in your inventory and take advantage of bluff being a class skill and most wizards will think the character is a wizard.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_6ac55ec7	comment	In most Dungeons & Dragons settings, most commoners are not expected to know the difference between a Wizard and a Sorcerer. This will probably get even more confusing to them when you include non-core full casters, like the Beguiler (a stealthy illusionist expert) or a Warmage (whose only spells that aren't straight up blasting are the "Light" cantrip, doing Exactly What It Says on the Tin, and Elemental summoning spells, which call up destructive embodiments of the classical elements). And there are mage-like classes who do things that aren't strictly casting spells, like the Tome of Magic classes (with the Binder — which lets himself be possessed by spirits for power in exchange for being influenced — it is even pointed out that while wizards and priests knows the difference and generally dislikes them, to the average peasant it's just a matter of welcoming the ones with healing hands and chasing away the ones with horns) and the two invocation classes. There are also mages who specialize in different schools of magic. A sorcerer who specializes in divination magic probably knows nothing about transmutation.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_7de1376e	comment	In the novel Wyrd Sisters, Nanny Ogg is captured and placed in a dungeon, much to the surprise of a ghost who doesn't realise witchcraft mostly affects natural phenomena and people's minds.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_7fba9cb1	comment	Privileged are the equivalent of traditional mages in The Powder Mage Trilogy. Privileged draw magic from the Else with their dominant hand, with fire, water, air, earth, and aether each mapped to a random finger. Which element lands where determines which magicks the Privileged is best and worst at. Those with the most power in aether as prized as healers, able to undo mortal wounds and even heal chronic injuries. They're also the rarest type of Privileged. Several times, a battered character will ask a freshly arrived Privileged if they're a healing Privileged. The response is invariably this trope. In one case, the "No," is immediately followed with, "which means this is going to hurt," when he brute forced his way through healing magic anyway.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_9d64bc7b	comment	Comes up in Unskippable with a mock conversation complaining about the weather and that the mage can't change it, and pointing out that Steve could do it. The retort is that Steve's a weather mage, so of course he could.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_a4420d22	comment	The Venture Bros.: After Henchman 24's death, Henchman 21 asks Doctor Orpheus, a self-proclaimed Necromancer, to resurrect him, stating "That is the definition of necromancer!" Orpheus explains the "Necromancer" title really only exists because the other words for his craft all sound silly by modern standards. However, this contradicts his efforts to resurrect the Venture brothers at the beginning of season two, where he specifically mentioned others he'd raised from the dead.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_ac8b90f5	comment	Mages in Mage: The Ascension can do magic in any way that they believe can do magic. This occasionally leads to different subgroups who look superficially similar loudly insisting on their differences. For example, Technocrats will tell you at great length that the Sons of Ether are doing ridiculous pseudoscience, the Sons of Ether insist to the rest of the Traditions that their Inspired and Dynamic Science is fundamentally different from and better than the staid stuff the Technocracy does, and Hermetic Mages who have spent years studying alchemy, Kabbalah, and other aspects of traditional Western mysticism get really annoyed at Orphans doing mystic-looking stuff that they pulled out of a popular novel.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_ad7edd1f	comment	Kaamelott: Merlin often claims that the reason he's an Inept Mage is that he's a druid — stuff like having a roof over his head (for his laboratory) cuts his powers by half. However, it's also seen that he's not that great a druid either (he can't read druidic, for starters).
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_b2afdc9d	comment	The Chronicles of Darkness features a wide array of wizards and sorcerers having very little in common with one another. Putting aside the fact most of the supernatural critters such as vampires and werewolves often practice their own rituals and Functional Magic in addition to the various innate superhuman abilities they all have, human Mages themselves cover Thaumaruges/Hedgewitches (regular mortal occultists who just happen to know and practice rites that have some power), Proximi (basically a Mutants kind of mages whose abilities are In the Blood and who can only cast a few spells) and Awakened (humans who gained Enlightenment Superpowers and are insanely powerful, capable of knowing dozens of spell even at their lowest and even creating their own). Not helped by the presence of two whole splats who just may have Posing As Someone Else as their hat. Changelings are Properly Paranoid thus disinclined to give themselves away, and have access not only to their fae-like very magic-type powers, but to Goblin Markets where literally anything can be bought and sold if the price is right, not just single spells or other flashy effects but, depending on your Storyteller, even the ability to become another kind of supernatural, temporary or permanently. And then there are Demons, who in their new iteration use "exploiting the rules of the universe as a computer system" - powers, which is magic by slightly other name (and works VERY similar to what a Paradox-conscious, subtle mage would do), and possess perfect innate protection against any attempt to discern the lies from truths from them, mundane and supernatural. Which obviously makes them a little less than trustworthy to anyone in the know; which in turn gives them so much more motivation to avoid giving themselves out. To top it off, they literally wear other persons as Cover, with the mechanics for that; using another supernatural splat as Cover is tricky but definitely not unheard of.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_ca5cb239	comment	In the Circle of Magic series ambient magic can be very difficult to recognize, especially the rarer versions. Due to her lack of traditional mage traits (making things move, seeing images in the flame) most people assumed that Tris was possessed by a demon, until it was revealed that she was an ambient weather mage.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_cefe086	comment	This happens periodically in The Legends of Ethshar because magic is very complex indeed: Wizards tap the fundamental chaos of the universe for powerful, and astoundingly unpredictable, results. (One was trying to create a sword sharpening spell and ended up creating a pillar of eternal flame the size of a mountain.) Sorcery taps the fundamental order of the universe in order to make powerful magical devices. Sorcerers once went to war with Wizards so one assume they are fairly powerful, but they lost so they don't do all that much currently. Warlockry allows one to rearrange the matter with their own mind; by communing with an Eldrich Horror (probably) that eventually eats the magic user (most likely). At one point one villain discovers that there is another warlock power source that seems not to have any Eldrich Horror so a warlock who stays near this one and far from the original one gets safe and unlimited power. Although there is no Eldritch Horror in this new source, getting too powerful from it eventually gets you detected by the horror from the original source, despite the distance. Witchcraft can do the same things as Warlockry on a much more limited basis. However, witches also have other 'ESP'-type abilities, including minor telepathy, clairvoyance, etc. The power for witchcraft comes from the user, which is why it's so much more limited in physical manipulation. Demonology is the summoning and control of demons. Really handy for killing people, not so much good for cleaning the house. Theurgy is summoning and attempting to talk gods into doing what you want them to do. Less handy then one might suppose as the gods tend to be difficult to work with at best.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_d8534d26	comment	Glinda from Wicked was annoyed that the munchinkinlanders introduced her to Dorothy as a witch because she prefers to be called a sorceress.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_e67a7d6c	comment	Early on in Negima! Magister Negi Magi, Negi has to inform Asuna that her pop-culture expectations of magic (stuff like trees that grow money, etc.) isn't how magic actually works. There's also a section of the series dealing with differences between western mages and eastern mages.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_eb4ec2c0	comment	The Unknown Armies supplement "Post Modern Magick" notes that adepts have had problems with working in organised crime because the mobsters were uninformed about their powers and gave them orders like "make Vinnie's car invisible", when the adept talents ran more to, as an example, finding out secrets instead.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_ebc16967	comment	A running gag on the Giant Bombcast podcast is an ongoing debate on whether Ryu's Ki Manipulation counts as "magic," and whether this makes him a wizard.
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Not That Kind of Mage / int_f349915b	comment	In the Dragonlance setting there are four types of magic, Wizardry (sometimes called High Sorcery, and draws from the world's three moons), Clerical Magic (Magic granted by the gods), Primal/Wild Sorcery(which draws from the planet Krynn itself) and Mysticism (which comes from all living things). The former two are called "Focused" magic, while the latter two are called "Ambient" magic. The first two are called Focused because they are focused through either the Moons or through a god, where as Ambient magic comes from Krynn itself and the living things on it. Mistaking a Wizard for a Sorcerer might annoy them a little bit. Mystics and Clerics tend to get along better.
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Consequence (Fanfic) / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
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The Many Worlds Interpretation (Fanfic) / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
The New Jedi Order: A Vision of Confluence (Fanfic) / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
Talk to Me / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
A Net of Dawn and Bones / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
Dragonlance / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
Enchanted Forest Chronicles / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
Sandman Slim / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
The Phantom Tollbooth / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
The Pillars of Reality / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage
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The Dragon Doctors (Webcomic) / int_b1a49012	type	Not That Kind of Mage

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