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A fan is shocked to find that the loud, mindless summer blockbuster they hated has made so much money! Surely the low Rotten Tomatoes rating should have tipped viewers off. Okay, even if they didn't care about those, surely they would have seen how horrible it was for themselves after the first weekend. What are they? Sheep? Conversely, how could the movie based on their favorite cult TV series not have made loads of money? Okay, many people didn't know about the movie, but surely word of mouth would have carried. And the blogs went wild for it! Well, the truth is that some people genuinely like those big, dumb blockbusters, and that works you might be obsessed with just don't appeal to everyone. If the fan can't or won't understand that, then they have Opinion Myopia. Some people take it further by believing that what you like and dislike determines what kind of person you are. These beliefs are justified to an extent, as somebody who cites controversial things like graphic violence as the reason why they like a work is bound to raise eyebrows among their peers; but most people understand that some themes in the works they enjoy would be a very bad idea to carry out in reality. The formal academic term for this phenomenon is the "false consensus effect", where a person tends to overestimate the extent to which their beliefs or opinions are typical of those of others. It's also related to Confirmation Bias in that people tend to ignore evidence that might prove their cherished opinions are inaccurate. Psychological studies conducted in The New '10s have given evidence that the human brain blurs the lines between facts and opinions, which becomes heightened by the strength of emotions, making it more likely for somebody to assume an opinion that aligns with their beliefs is a fact. A Super-Trope to Fan Hater (hating people directly for positive opinions you don't agree with), Complaining About People Not Liking the Show (getting upset about negative opinions you don't agree with), He Panned It, Now He Sucks! (same but with reviews) and Fan Myopia (fans thinking that the subject of their fandom must be well known and generally liked). Sometimes results in either Fan Dumb or Hate Dumb, and can be related to No True Scotsman. Compare It's Popular, Now It Sucks!, Broken Base, Bias Steamroller, Vocal Minority, and Casual-Competitive Conflict. Usually the end result of Americans Hate Tingle, where viewers from another region can’t fathom how the thing they hate is well-liked in its home region. See also Small Reference Pools (people stick to referencing certain works simply because those are the only ones they know... or think the audience will know). Someone who thinks this way about life in general is Captain Oblivious. Someone who thinks this way about religion is likely to be The Fundamentalist (in which case watch out). |
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Anyone who spends five minutes on a comic book message board would think Ultimate Spider-Man is the most hated cartoon of all time, when in reality, it does quite well among its target demographic of young children. Brian Michael Bendis pointed out that even though "It's for kids!" is a common admission of a lack of quality, the network and advertisers don't actually care what the Periphery Demographic thinks. | |
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Within the UC fanbase, there is a generally very hard divide between fans of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam and Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ with a large amount saying Zeta was one of the best with ZZ one of the worst, and vice versa. This is in general due to the stark Mood Whiplash of Zeta to ZZ, where a fan of one is generally a hater of the other. | |
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If your only exposure to the various books in the X-Men line is the Uncanny X-Cast podcast, you'd get the impression that it's just accepted that X-Force (vol. 3) was the only consistently good book in the line, X-Factor is entirely useless, and Greg Land is a wonderful artist. Start with certain other online reviewers and you'll come away with the impression that it's a universally accepted, scientifically proven fact that X-Force (vol. 3) was rubbish and X-Factor is the only X-book worth reading, and that it's literally impossible NOT to believe that blindness would be preferable to having to look at Greg Land's art. It's not just that both sides disagree, it's that they seem completely unaware that anyone in the world holds the other opinion. | |
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Ressha Sentai ToQger is also a point of tension. Due to trains not being so prominent in America, Western Sentai fans will usually have opinions that harshly differ from Japanese fans. Some have even gone to the point where they say "those people [who like the show] are on drugs". | |
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The Simpsons fans of a certain age generally take it for granted that the show is no longer worth watching and hasn't been for a lot of years, with abstinence from "new Simpsons" episodes a badge of honor for some. Go ahead, just try to find a clip of "old" Simpsons on YouTube without a slew of comments waxing poetic about "how good Simpsons was back then, before the dark times", and just try to find a clip of "new" Simpsons without the comments bemoaning "Simpsons is terrible now!" While the show isn't as broadly popular as it once was, a consistent supply of new, young viewers has kept the show's ratings respectable enough for it to be continually renewed year after year. | |
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Similarly to the above, Teen Titans Go! has a very vocal audience of detractors, consisting mostly of outraged fans of the original series, that makes up a sizable chunk of its online presence. As a result, it is very easy to find claims of it being one of the worst things on television on the internet. Despite this, it is actually one of the highest-rated programs on Cartoon Network and receives consistently mixed reviews from professional critics; a far cry from what the naysayers perceive it to be. This dissonance reached its apex when the series' Big Damn Movie was released, where the same detractors predicted that it would be a travesty worthy of being called the worst movie of all time only for it to be released to both positive critical reception and box office success. | |
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Conversely, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans is beloved in the Western fandom for being a brutal Deconstructor Fleet for the franchise and just being more Darker and Grittier. Apparently, Japan didn't see it that way. | |
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Niche fandoms can have this sort of reaction when more mainstream attention starts rolling in. The newer fans are only exposed to more contemporary works while older fans scratch their heads at some of the best works of the medium/genre being ignored. Some examples include young fans calling Naruto the best anime ever while older fans tend to disagree or the hardcore versus casual gamers. | |
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It does not take much searching around online to find remarks about how high-profile children's movies like The Smurfs, Alvin and the Chipmunks, and Minions will cause financial harm to the studios that make them because of their perceived unwatchability. They do not realize that these movies are very well-liked by kids, which is why they can have such a high profile in the first place. The Smurfs and Alvin's last films were box office disappointments, but they didn't outright bomb. | |
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Harry Potter: Potterheads who are going to study English in college should be prepared — they disparage Rowling all the time there. Some creative writing classes devote entire lessons to teaching pupils not to put the books on a pedestal. Same goes for other popular and well-loved books. On the other hand, you can also find literature departments that offer full-length courses on the Harry Potter books by professors who are willing to take the books on their own merits, analyzing J. K. Rowling's uses of folkloric elements and literary devices. It's almost impossible for either camp to acknowledge the other's arguments. | |
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Players respond to video game reviews (seemingly more so than other forms of reviews) especially strongly in this way. Expect any review of a video game that disagrees with someone's opinions to be met with numerous comments about how the person/the site is biased and that reviews should be objective, even though an objective review is impossible; any criteria or theory you choose to follow in a review is in and of itself a form of bias. Jim Sterling once mocked this with an "objective and unbiased review" of Final Fantasy XIII. Reviews for re-released "classic games", especially, tend to get hit with this pretty hard. If a re-released classic game gets a relatively poor or even average score from a reviewer, you can expect accusations of the reviewer being "biased towards modern games" or (in a subtle invoking of Moff’s Law) "unfairly holding the game to modern standards." | |
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This is one of the main reasons that the Television Without Pity forums maintained strict 'no talking about the boards on the board' and 'talk about the posts, not the other posters' policies. Posts like "I don't get why everybody wants her to win" or "what's wrong with all these people who don't like him?" would net at least a warning and possibly a ban. | |
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The Da Vinci Code: Two sides. One: "Holy crap, how do people actually like this trash?!" Two: "Hey, I thought it was a good book! Can't you understand Dan Brown's genius?" | |
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A trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like Captain Marvel (2019) and The Last Jedi are popularly hated by certain audiences and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is insane as it would be incredibly financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences liked them enough to go see them in droves, but the Vocal Minority refuse to believe that they are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both Captain Marvel and The Last Jedi, it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day, it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place. | |
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Resident Evil 5 takes constant flak from its fanbase for being an overly Matrixy Actionized Sequel with a mandatory AI-controlled partner who is about as smart as a bag of rocks and about as useful as a two-man axe, and it's not uncommon to hear it described as being the worst in the entire series. However it was a massive financial success and, even now, is the best-selling Resident Evil title to date (even outselling the critically acclaimed Resident Evil 2 (Remake)) and was the best-selling Capcom title ever until it was beaten by Monster Hunter: World in 2018. Resident Evil 6 is a similar case, being a very high-selling and financially successful title despite getting lukewarm critical reception at best and often being disregarded or outright ignored by fans of the series. | |
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People who loved Fifty Shades of Grey don't seem to be aware that anyone hates it. Those who hate it cannot believe that anyone aside from lonely single mothers in need of a good lay could possibly like it. | |
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Cinema Snob Reviews Frozen (a fan comic where The Cinema Snob reviews Frozen (2013)) spoofs this (as the source Snob videos do as well), such as Snob claiming that his need not to have certain films made matters more than if other people like those films. | |
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The Wheel of Time is the greatest fantasy series of all time, surpassing even The Lord of the Rings and Robert Jordan is the new father of modern fantasy. Don't talk to us about George R. R. Martin or Harry Potter; those are flashes in the pan, only popular because they got film and TV adaptations, and they are writing in Jordan's shadow. Jordan and Wheel of Time will be remembered forever. | |
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Star Trek fans can be divided into several distinct groups: Purists, who only will accept the show in its original form, which is to say the classic series and only the series (the films don't count), classic "Trekkies" who think of the various series as "Star Trek and those newer shows", more modern "Trekkers", who tip the hat to the classic series but think Star Trek: The Next Generation was when Trek really begins and ends (to the point where some deny that the other spin-offs are even canon), "Niners", who think the grit of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine made it the best, proclaim Ira Stephen Behr to be the true heir to Roddenberry's throne and even suggest that Roddenberry's vision for Trek wasn't all it was cracked up to be...and finally those that just like anything with the name "Star Trek" in its title. A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after Gene Roddenberry's death in 1991 because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film, and the first season of TNG. For that matter, if it's his seal of approval they're concerned about, then none of the films beyond Star Trek: The Motion Picture are canon, as Roddenberry didn't like the direction Harve Bennett took with them, particularly the fifth and sixth films. This led to the widespread belief that Roddenberry had declared Star Trek V and VI to be non-canon, which he never did. More recently, the controversy regarding Trek fan films (largely caused by the creators of Prelude to Axanar) has split the fanbase firmly into three camps: those who consider the fans to be the true owners of Trek lore, while Paramount (until the franchise was bought by CBS) is just a bunch of Corrupt Corporate Executives; those who believe that Paramount/CBS's legal ownership of the copyright means they're free to do whatever the hell they want with it; and those who haven't watched any fan films and don't get what all the fuss is about. |
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The Outskirts Battle Dome is pretty much considered this by plenty of people. Especially the wiki. The idea of an OBD Hive Mind is actually an in-joke to members. | |
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Parodied in The Onion article "Man Who Enjoys Thing Informed He Is Wrong". | |
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Gundam: Given the incredible breadth of the franchise, a lot of fans have become overly opinionated on which series is any good, and what constitutes a good introduction for new fans. A lot of the older fanbase will vehemently deny that anything outside of the Universal Century timelines is any good, most of the younger fanbase will find the older UC shows to be entirely too dated. Within the UC fanbase, there is a generally very hard divide between fans of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam and Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ with a large amount saying Zeta was one of the best with ZZ one of the worst, and vice versa. This is in general due to the stark Mood Whiplash of Zeta to ZZ, where a fan of one is generally a hater of the other. No single series was hit with this harder than Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny, which is almost universally loathed by the Western fandom, yet continued to top popularity charts in Japan for almost an entire decade. Making it one of the single most popular anime ever. Similarly, Gundam Build Divers is hated by the Western fandom just as bad as SEED Destiny, which makes the arrival of Gundam Build Divers Re:RISE all the more surprising. Conversely, Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans is beloved in the Western fandom for being a brutal Deconstructor Fleet for the franchise and just being more Darker and Grittier. Apparently, Japan didn't see it that way. |
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Arin of Game Grumps often brings this up this phenomenon when he speaks of how he dislikes things like The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, only for the much more optimistic Danny to remark that he likes said thing for the exact same reasons Arin dislikes it. Arin will acknowledge that he is indeed the minority on it and often even remarks that he wishes he did like such things, as it would give him one more thing in his life to enjoy. | |
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People who enjoy Hush, Hush see nothing wrong with the romance and Nora changing the bad boy Patch is romantic. People who hate it see nothing but stalking, verbal and emotional abuse, and manipulation on Patch's side towards Nora and her being too stupid to even attempt to run away. | |
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Similar to the backlash against the popularity of My Little Pony, there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of Bluey, as they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon. Ironically, some fans of My Little Pony, Sonic the Hedgehog, anime, and other "cringe" fandoms tend to promote this mindset, disliking Bluey's Periphery Demographic for watching a 'toddler show' despite the fact that shows such as My Little Pony are also geared towards small children. | |
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The newer Pokémon games, especially those made for the Nintendo Switch, have a very vocal and passionate hatedom mostly made up of longtime fans, especially from those displeased by the concept of not being able to obtain every Pokémon in the game. Despite this, the games continue to be massive system sellers (with numbers that haven't been seen since Pokémon Gold and Silver), draw in many new fans, and critical reception ranges from mixed to very positive. Pokémon Sword and Shield has particularly visceral hatred directed towards it, despite being the second best-selling games in the entire franchise and getting excellent reviews from professional critics, with IGN flat-out naming it the best game in the series upon its release. | |
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Reading certain film review sites would have you think that the Trolls movies are the worst and least successful movies ever. But it is very popular with kids (y'know, the intended audience) and makes a lot of money (even Trolls World Tour, which wasn't released in theaters due to COVID, had an extremely successful digital release) for DreamWorks Animation. These factors are why it's a franchise to begin with. | |
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More recently, the controversy regarding Trek fan films (largely caused by the creators of Prelude to Axanar) has split the fanbase firmly into three camps: those who consider the fans to be the true owners of Trek lore, while Paramount (until the franchise was bought by CBS) is just a bunch of Corrupt Corporate Executives; those who believe that Paramount/CBS's legal ownership of the copyright means they're free to do whatever the hell they want with it; and those who haven't watched any fan films and don't get what all the fuss is about. | |
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There's usually a lot of issues between fandoms when it comes to Super Sentai and Power Rangers. As an example, Power Rangers Super Megaforce is absolutely hated on the Internet, and yet its intended younger audience loves it and many fans don't understand why. Ressha Sentai ToQger is also a point of tension. Due to trains not being so prominent in America, Western Sentai fans will usually have opinions that harshly differ from Japanese fans. Some have even gone to the point where they say "those people [who like the show] are on drugs". There's also fandom rivalry between Sentai and PR fans that aren't fans of both over which is better. Sentai fans will bring up its more consistent maturity and mature elements that PR rarely uses. PR fans will bring up that PR, usually, has a more better mix of humorous and serious elements, as Sentai usually flip flops depending on the series, and Japanese humor tends to be more in-your-face and over the top versus American humor, which is much more restrained and subdued. There are even fans who'll disavow one for reasons why they hate it. |
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The Arrowverse shows, due to their divisive nature, naturally bring this out. Some audiences adore them over all else, finding them to be the single-best adaptation of the DC Universe, and anyone who disliked the show-original characters and concepts are just bitter that it's not like previous versions, often pointing to the highly successful 'event crossovers'. Other audiences despise them with a passion, finding it to be the worst adaptation of the DC Universe, and anyone who likes their show original Creator's Pet characters and Canon Defilement concepts is just blindly supporting the franchise because they've never experienced the original comics and previous adaptations, often pointing to the shows' comparatively low ratings as proof they suck. Middle ground doesn't exist. | |
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A lot of famous movies hailed as classics, such as Jurassic Park and Forrest Gump did more poorly with critics than one would expect. They still did well, but it wasn't all acclaim. For example, Forrest Gump's Tomatometer score is only 71%, and both it and Jurassic Park only have an average rating of 7 out of 10.note However, the first Jurassic Park has a Tomatometer rating of 93% at the moment, so it is currently exempt from this. | |
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The general feedback loop of 'Oh my God, grown men like My Little Pony now?!'/'Yeah, we like My Little Pony now, what are you gonna do about it?' has led many bronies to forget that the show has just as many fans in its target demographic (that is, small children, especially of the female variety) as it does grown men and women. | |
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Doctor Who: The eternal war between the Classic Series fans who can't believe that anyone could possibly enjoy the flashy, superficial soap opera that is the New Series over the complex, deep masterpiece that is the Classic Series, and the New Series fans who can't believe that anyone could possibly enjoy the cheap, tacky snooze-fest that is the Classic Series over the complex, deep masterpiece that is the New Series. And, of course, both sets of fans find it hard to believe that there's anyone out there who might like both, and they find it impossible to believe that anyone might not like either. Steven Moffat, the latest in a long line of divisive showrunners who ruined everything the show stood for, and the very worst of them all until the next one, has been getting this for taking liberties with the concept of regeneration in "The Time of the Doctor". His critics often point to "The Deadly Assassin" as a cherished piece of lore from the original series. "The Deadly Assassin" was every bit as contentious when it first came out, and fans bashed it precisely for taking liberties with Time Lords and regeneration. Conveniently forgotten by said fans was the real enthusiasm for Moffat from fans who absolutely hated everything Russell T. Davies had done to the series (save bringing the show back after nearly two decades). In particular he was criticized for focusing too much on the companions (making it into a soap opera) and ludicrous series finales (destroying ever-increasing amounts of reality then hitting the reset button). |
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The YouTube series "Everything Wrong with...", produced by CinemaSins, has a tendency to include everything that bothered the reviewer, ranging from plot holes and continuity errors, to debatable aesthetic choices such as the use of voiceover, to the reviewer's pet peeves, like his opinion that characters eating apples "makes them look like assholes". | |
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One can either think Twilight ruined literary vampires, or vampires in general, or literature in general, and that Stephenie Meyer can't write worth a hill of beans, or that it's the only real vampire novel out there and that all others (including those that were published before Twilight) are just cheap imitations written by jealous hacks who only wish they could write like Meyer. | |
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No single series was hit with this harder than Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny, which is almost universally loathed by the Western fandom, yet continued to top popularity charts in Japan for almost an entire decade. Making it one of the single most popular anime ever. | |
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Some Western XY(Z) fans believe that Pokémon: The Series was able to Win Back the Crowd after the fiasco BW was, and that TV Tokyo messed up again with SM so that they needed to bring back Misty and Brock to avoid cancellation. Fact is, XY did not do very well in ratings from the second year in Japan contrary to SM which is doing great in Japan but no so much in the West. | |
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A very notable example are the reviews of Grand Theft Auto IV, which gushed about recreating a living, breathing world while minimizing the gameplay and technical issues, which were noted strongly in user reviews. | |
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Similarly, Gundam Build Divers is hated by the Western fandom just as bad as SEED Destiny, which makes the arrival of Gundam Build Divers Re:RISE all the more surprising. | |
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IMDb forums are similar — people often seem unable to comprehend another opinion. Many users assume those who dislike films they themselves like are automatically trolls, and those who like films they themselves dislike are automatically involved with the movie. These people will very often seem incapable of talking about the movie without stating their dislike. Occasionally, you'll come across someone who disagrees with the majority but actually asks why [movie] is loved/hated. | |
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Any time a new fighter is announced for a Super Smash Bros. game, expect to hear cries of, "No one wanted this!" regardless of the popularity of said character or the character's game. | |
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