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Post-Mortem Conversion

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Post-Mortem Conversion	comment	Bob was really popular in life, or became popular by how he died. Maybe he was a hero, great leader or philosopher, or maybe he was just a really nice guy. After his death, some group he never belonged to - and did not sympathize with - claims him as one of their own. A kind of in-story "Misaimed Fandom", if you will. They are bragging about how he was truly one of them, and use his name to encourage others to join them. He's probably spinning in his grave! In less blatant cases, they are merely showing him "respect" by politely editing out any unpopular or "inappropriate" thoughts, feelings & loyalties he might have had. In some cases, the poor guy doesn't even deserve his good reputation: The same group who made up his loyalty to them also made up his good deeds. Good in their eyes, that is - his alleged deeds may or may not go against what he believed in. In either case, him being dead means he can't be there to contradict their version of how he lived, how he died, and what he believed in. In extra cynical cases, the group actually had him killed for this very reason! However, giving your own real followers an undeserved good reputation is generally not covered by this trope. Compare In the Original Klingon, Historical Hero Upgrade. Examples
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_12058c99	comment	Hark! A Vagrant had a comic poking fun at the myth that Charles Darwin recanted his theories on his deathbed.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_22fa3992	comment	In The Expanse, while the death of Miller in Season 2 is quite a noble and Heroic Sacrifice, he is also upgraded to being a hero of the Belt and Belters, when during his life he would have been (and often was) sneered at as a Category Traitor to the Belt due to having been a Dirty Cop who worked for a Law Enforcement, Inc. company from Earth, who were seen as repressing Belters. The OPA in particular is happy to adopt him as a hero, despite the fact that mere weeks earlier Anderson Dawes, one of the most powerful OPA leaders in the solar system had tried to murder Miller because Miller was insisting on going ahead with an investigation that was awkward for Dawes.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_261c8d3f	comment	The stonecutters from The Simpsons claim that (among others) the signers of The Declaration of Independence (and Washington) were Stonecutters, according to their Secret World History (this is a reference to the Real Life membership of many, including Washington, in the Freemasons, which the stonecutters are a thinly-veiled parody of).
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_59b046d3	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Post-Mortem Conversion / int_59b046d3	comment	The premise of World's Greatest Dad is a father recasting his worthless son as a tragic idol after he dies from Autoerotic Asphyxiation.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_62aa95a6	comment	In The Lost Fleet, various individuals in the Alliance have been in the habit of using the long dead war hero "Black Jack" Geary for this to drum up approval for their proposals. Then John Geary's cryo escape pod is found, he's thawed out, and it turns out that he's nothing like how the propagandists have painted him for the past century.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_6cb3f822	comment	Done quite literally in The Saga of Biorn, which ends with the title character being posthumously converted from Asatru to Christianity by being buried in hallowed ground by some nuns he rescued (as a side effect of his whole 'die in combat to reach Warrior Heaven' faith). Being sent to a Heaven that resembles his own faith's Helheim doesn't please his spirit much.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_8760760e	comment	In Wag the Dog, the propaganda spin-doctors turns a mentally ill rapist into a faked war-hero. When they can't control him, they get him killed. This is a huge improvement for them, since his corpse is easy to control. Public burial of the "hero" ensues.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_878f168b	comment	In Season One of The Last Kingdom, Prince Ã†thelwold tries to claim that his father named him, not Alfred, as heir on his deathbed. Unfortunately, he tries this with nobles who were at the king's deathbed and knew that not only had he done no such thing, Prince Ã†thelwold wasn't even there.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_893bb4c1	comment	Million Yen Women involves a rivalry between the protagonist Shin and Yuzu, the best-selling author of their common publishing house. The plot of the series causes Shin to be living with a celebrity that Yuzu wants to be better acquainted with, to the point of eventually asking her out to a private dinner. During that dinner, the celebrity tells Yuzu that she likes Shin's work better than his. She's found dead the next morning. Some time after that, Yuzu claims she called him the better author during their dinner.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_92a56bcb	comment	Deconstructed in the Masters of Horror episode "Homecoming". The Invisible President makes a wish in one of his speeches to the nation, wishing for the dead American soldiers of the Iraq war to come back and express how they feel, implying that they would all support him. Cue the zombies! The dead soldiers are coming back, but they are not here to eat brains. Instead, they are here to vote... for the other guy!
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_99c003af	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Post-Mortem Conversion / int_99c003af	comment	The Boondocks: Ed Wuncler's scheme in "It's Goin' Down" was to kill an extremely ornery security guard, claim he was a hero who was martyred fighting terrorists, and profit from his death with a massive media franchise.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_bfd7c6e0	comment	In Drowtales, Quaintana lampshades the depths this trope can sink; Sharess, the mortal queen of the Dark Elves, led her people during the apocalypse and sacrificed herself to the legions of Hell to buy them time. Instead of being respected as a heroine, the Sharen spun a propaganda story about her transformation into the goddess of the Drow, and used their new status as relatives of a god to create a caste system that gave one Dark Elf absolute and uncontested control over an empire. Quaintana decides to destroy all statues of Sharess, so the people can stop groveling and learn to be heroes on their own.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_c2297a9c	comment	At the end of Judge Dredd: Origins, with his last breath, Fargo despairs at what has become of America and urges Dredd to restore freedom and democracy. In order to maintain order, Dredd tells the few others who know of Fargo's true fate that the old man was pleased that the Judges now ran America.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_c2463c55	comment	In the backstory of Final Fantasy X, Yuna's father Braska was a rebel who questioned authority and reached out in peace to the Al-Bhed, a people that the theocratic Corrupt Church he belonged to liked to use as a all-purpose scapegoat, and was cast out of the clergy as a result. When Braska set out on his journey to defeat the Eldritch Abomination Sin, he mused on what a delightful irony it would be if he, Auron (then a warrior-priest in disgrace for political reasons) and Jecht (seemingly a mad, drunk heretic) were the ones to defeat Sin and bring a period of peace to Spira. Fast forward to the present, and the Church of Yevon has proclaimed Braska a champion of the Church and a model to be emulated by the faithful, all while never mentioning the way he challenged the Church's corrupt dogma or that the Church kicked him out when he was alive. There's even a short scene where Auron stands before a statue of Braska in a temple and indirectly comments on the irony.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_d11e211f	comment	Kamen Rider Gaim has, in the web-movies of the Gaim Gaiden series, a guy named Shura. He used to be on Zack's dance team before Kaito Kumon took over. Several years later, after Kaito dies, Shura takes over the dance team, Team Baron, and turns it into a wrestle-to-the-death, terrorist group who would use small bombs to become suicide bombers. And they did this in the belief that this was something that Kaito would want. Surprise, surprise- Kaito was nowhere near that type of thing. He was an Antisocial Darwinist who wanted to create a world where the weak wouldn't be oppressed and the strong wouldn't abuse ther power. So of course Shura had to be stopped.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_e89f120b	comment	In the backstory of Mobile Suit Gundam, only one person truly knows what the last words of Spacenoid political leader Zeon Deikun really were, as they were whispered into the ear of his protege Degwin Zabi. Degwin claimed that it was a statement that he should take over leadership of Zeon's political movement, and is able to successfully sell that story to the public as a whole. Degwin's rival Jimba Ral always believed (and eventually talked Zeon's son Casval, who would later be known as Char Aznable, into believing) that what Zeon really said was something on the order of "I know you were the one who poisoned me".
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_f19ddfd9	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Post-Mortem Conversion / int_f19ddfd9	comment	Slightly played with in Last Scenario, where Alexander, one of the renowned heroes of the previous age, has a tomb erected in his honor in the Empire's capital city (the Empire being the faction Alexander was fighting AGAINST) for an unjust war which he had turned his back on. There is however a kicker. The tomb is a fake that doesn't even have his body. That is because he was up to that point still alive, although due to being held hostage in a scientist military facility and having his memories mostly sapped by the setting's magical rocks biorites, he still fit the trope as he is generally unable to contest the falsehoods that his name was being used for.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_f5cf3f9a	comment	In 1995, when Butterfly McQueen — Prissy in Gone with the Wind — died in a house fire, a fundamentalist neighbor who had proselytized McQueen (a lifelong atheist) several times reported to the press that as McQueen was being carried out, she said she was repenting and claiming that she was really a Christian all the time. Other witnesses disputed this claim.
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Post-Mortem Conversion / int_f74b5f80	comment	In a season two episode of Babylon 5, Londo claims that the whispered last words of the Emperor of the Centauri were a statement of approval for a military victory (In a totally unprovoked attack on a foreign power that the Emperor was trying to end his nation's diplomatic tensions with) and a request that Mollari and Lord Refa return the Republic to its Glory Days. Right after Mollari and Refa leave MedLab, they have a brief conversation.
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Post-Mortem Conversion	processingCategory2	Sociology Tropes
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Switchblade (Fanfic) / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Wag the Dog / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
World's Greatest Dad / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Max Havelaar / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
The Last Kingdom / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Heathers (Theatre) / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
Heathers: The Musical (Theatre) / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion
The Saga of Biorn (Web Animation) / int_42ef4b67	type	Post-Mortem Conversion

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