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Rooting for the Empire

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Rooting for the Empire	comment	Where the audience root for the villains of a series over the good guys. The heroes start to rub the fans the wrong way, and a notable proportion of the fandom now dislikes and actively bashes the main characters. For these fans they can almost become a Hatedom, yet they call themselves fans and continue to read/watch/play the source material because they like the bad guys. Rooting for the Empire is fairly common in a story with a Villain Protagonist, due to the natural tendency for audiences to bond with the viewpoint character of any story; but there are many other reasons for this attitude to take hold. Having their conflict be against other (sometimes even worse) bad guys rather than heroic antagonists tends to cause either this or being too apathetically grim. It also often happens in works with a Designated Hero and/or Designated Villain where the supposed empire isn't so imperialistic after all. There's usually a turning point in Canon that leads to this, sometimes irrational and sometimes rational: Irrational reasons for this include: Fans becoming too willing to Cry for the Devil. The villain getting a subplot that's more interesting than what the main cast is doing. Frustration with the lack of initiative of the heroes. The villains being considered cooler than the heroes. The villain being so incompetent that the fans think they should win just for once. The villains attacking The Scrappy and/or Creator's Pet. The fans wanting to be on the strongest side for once. The series running on White-and-Grey Morality due to the fact that viewers may tire of having a hero who's never able to make a tough decision and revel in rooting for someone who does and has the integrity to follow through with such a decision and the consequences it entails. The villain being Affably Evil. The heroes being extremely attractive and fetishists wanting to see them chained up, etc. Fans familiar with genre conventions see the defeat of the villains coming and picture them in the underdog role, even and especially when they have more strength and ressources. Rational reasons include: The evilness of the villains being an Informed Attribute, while the supposed heroes perform morally dubious deeds. The villain constantly making good points. The series using Grey-and-Gray Morality or Black-and-Gray Morality, so Rooting For The Empire is an Intended Audience Reaction. When the "heroes" are selfish brats who get under everyone's skin. The choice is between a Designated Hero (or one who is just factually wrong) and a Straw Man of the heroesâ€™ (and writersâ€™) real-world opposition. If treated as a Designated Villain, a character designated as Hate Sink or The Chew Toy can go through this, especially if the â€˜heroesâ€™ are making the antagonistâ€™s life difficult for very poorly-defined reasons, or even for no real reason at all. The heroes being so unintelligent, boring, or unlikable that you almost want them to lose. Tends to occur when the source material has jumped the shark and started to lose its focus, but sometimes Just for Fun or for reasons of the fans' own. It can also be a response to Writer Revolt or a perceived slight to the fans. Jerkass Dissonance often plays a part. Unlike the Misaimed Fandom, the character roles are working out as they're supposed to, but the audience willingly cheers on the enemy. Hate toward the actor can also be involved in this, when the hated actor is playing a good guy. Some sociologists have pointed out that, as irrational as it sounds, many people, both when it comes to fiction and real life, will root for whichever side reminds them the most of themselves, even when that side is thoroughly immoral, totally unlikable or both. As simple as it is to always want to see people of your own ethnic group, religion, or social or political class — or who simply have the same goals or aspirations as yourself — triumph, it is understandable, because it's easy to convince yourself that if they lose, you will lose too. Common manifestations of the trope include: Franchises in which the villain has been subjected to much better Character Development than the comparatively lackluster heroes, especially if the villain happens to be the only character with believable motivation or emotional responses. If the designated hero is also The Scrappy. Whenever a writer has failed to think through the moral and practical implications of the heroes' behaviour. The villains just happen to be cooler, sexier, or better funded/paid than the heroes. The villain has a plan which is far more thought out or on a much grander scale than that of the heroes. The so-called hero is such an unrepentant Jerkass the villain actually comes off as more bearable to watch. Any time the villain is the victim of a bully, as bullies tend to make such good Asshole Victims. If the writer went Darker and Edgier and made their Crapsack World completely irredeemable, grimdark apathy can set in and it makes the Omnicidal Maniac look like he might be onto the right idea. The evil organization doesn't discriminate based on race, gender, or creed, whereas the heroic organization consists of Noble Bigots and/or Politically Incorrect Heroes at best, or open racists at worst. Any time the writer has tried to demonize a specific group of people and included the villain from among this group. Acceptable and unacceptable targets both work, because these characters become symbolic of lack of proper media representation. Franchises where the audience disagrees strongly with the writer's moral, political, or religious values. In Historical Fiction, some in-universe villains are people that many real-world viewers would argue were the historical "good guys" (or at least less bad). See also Historical Villain Upgrade and Historical Hero Upgrade. In a combination of this trope and Values Dissonance, many older Westerns lead to modern audiences siding with the Native Americans who serve as the Designated Villains. Conversely, newer Westerns might put non-Indians on the moral defensive, especially if the Indians are Noble Savages. Likewise, a story about the Christianization of medieval Europe is going to get this regardless of how it is framed. If the narrative portrays it as a good thing, then that often goes hand in hand with casting the pagans as superstitious at best and guilty of Human Sacrifice at worst, making the audience likely to resent this demonization and consider the work to be propaganda. Contrariwise, works that side with the pagans make the Christians outright genocidal, meaning the Christians in the audience will also consider the work propaganda, and may defend their religion by pointing out that the pagans were rarely more tolerant than the Christians and that the Christians' acts were exaggerated. British people watching films about the American War of Independence tend to have a reaction slightly like this — the films often try to paint the British in the worst possible light, which American audiences might not have a problem with, but the British might. The Caper. Like the Feng Shui quote on the quotes page said, who roots for the cops? The writers often try to avoid this through a Caper Rationalization. Damn, It Feels Good to Be a Gangster!. Massive audience sympathy for "villains" such as Rico Bandello in Little Caesar, Tony Camonte in Scarface (1932), and Tom Powers in The Public Enemy (1931) was one of the main reasons for The Hays Code and nearly forty years of film censorship. This didn't stop Cody Jarrett from being the sympathetic one in White Heat in 1949. Almost every Slasher Movie invokes this by making the victims as horribly unlikable as possible, to the point where it has its own trope: Developing Doomed Characters. The heroes have exaggerated Protagonist-Centered Morality. Even if the bad guy eats babies, readers tend to root for them out of sheer spite, on the off-chance that Moonbeam Potter Swan might get her stupid face punched in. And if they don't eat babies, then hoo boy... The fans are themselves villains — or at least see themselves as such due to rejection by society and/or a guilt complex. More likely to happen in fictional examples. The rooter is, quite frankly, nothing more than a malcontent who just wants to gain notoriety and/or piss everyone off, in order to make everyone as miserable as them. Compare Draco in Leather Pants (where the negative traits of a character or faction are outright ignored in Fanon) and its inverse Ron the Death Eater (where positive traits are ignored). Contrast Love to Hate (where the villain is just popular, but not always rooted for) and Hate Sink (characters made uncool, unsympathetic, and deliberately lacking any traits to root for). For cases where people rooting for the empire get their wish, see The Bad Guy Wins. For a sort of In-Universe version (though pretty much exclusive to The Empire), see What the Romans Have Done for Us. Not to be confused with Unintentionally Sympathetic (where a simple Jerkass, but not necessarily a villain, accidentally comes off as sympathetic) but the two can overlap. noreallife
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Rooting for the Empire / int_135f4195	comment	In a sequence referencing Dune Belkar is reading the original, and getting quite agitated when Baron Harkonnen's life is threatened.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_144ea6e4	comment	Iago from Othello, since he's an extremely charismatic character who turns Refuge in Audacity into an art form. Convincing Othello that his wife is cheating on him in a single scene doesn't exactly portray the hero in the best light, as well as the rest of the cast having a bad case of Horrible Judge of Character to the point where if they ever just talked to each other, they'd have quickly realised who was pulling all the strings (to be fair, he comes close to winning, and most of the "idiots" who believe him end up dead).
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Rooting for the Empire / int_14abfe56	comment	Similarly, he is firmly on the side of the "evil" establishment of old-school doctors in Patch Adams. While he admits they are humorless asswipes, he'd still rather have a humorless jerk who coldly treats his ailment and moves on rather than the overly emotional clown that Patch was being. Even after being informed by fans that bedside manner back then really was terrible and a hell of a lot worse than it is now (read: non-existent), he still feels that Patch went too far the other way and, if given the choice of one or the other, that he'd still take the asshole doctor.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_14cb9f30	comment	A Bug's Life: The ant colony sans Dot were such obnoxious bullies to Flik throughout the film, when the grasshoppers come for "reparations" from the colony (just after the colony has hypocritically banished Flik for lying to them after the colony themselves sent him out implicitly to die based on a lie), plenty of viewers were cheering the grasshoppers on more than they were empathizing with the ants now under their heel.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_151de869	comment	Inverted in Kamen Rider Revice. Aguilera roots for Sakura to win when she's fighting the Planaria Deadman, even though the Deadman is on her side, having taken an interest in Sakura earlier.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_157916fb	comment	Black Crusade does a decent job at presenting the Chaos cultists' case. It admits that the Chaos Gods are cruel masters and that Chaos is anything but cuddly — but embracing Chaos is nonetheless humanity's only hope of surviving in any form. Meanwhile, the Imperium's brutal tyranny and persecution might be justified if there was any chance that it might work, but as it is, the Imperium is beyond saving and so the Adeptus Terra are committing atrocities for the sake of a lost cause.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_1858fe06	comment	It's easy to root for the Dark Egg Legion in Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics). They do take orders from Eggman, but they aren't completely evil, and most of their members seem to be regular Mobians, bar the cybernetics. Given that the heroes are headed by Sonic, who can be a bit of a jerkass, and the Kingdom of Acorn, an incredibly ineffectual monarchy that can barely function and made worse with the addition of the obstructive,bickering, and flat-out useless Council of Acorn, as well as their allies like The Brotherhood of Guardians who have their heads either in the sand, the clouds, or up their own asses with the addition of the rest of echindakind being hypocrites about technology, it's no wonder. And they're the only group in the world who don't actively despise technology. A great example is the Great Desert DEL. They were turned into mindless Robian mooks thanks to Unwilling Roboticisation and forced to fight the Sand Blasters, an extremist group of Freedom Fighters. After being turned back into Mobians, they tried to make peace with the Sand Blasters but were instead hit with Fantastic Racism for being former Robians. In order to survive, they went to Eggman for help, who legionized them. When The Baron, leader of the Great Desert DEL, was confronted about this by his niece, hero Bunnie Rabbot D'Coolette, he responded that being in the DEL isn't so bad. Being legionized means cybernetic upgrades, which in turn make for an awesome health plan, as The Baron pointed out, when he thanked legionization for fixing his "bum knee". He also mentioned something about D'Coolette's being oppressors, which insinuates Fantastic Racism within the Kingdom, making them look even worse. Due to the Super Genesis Wave, the original Desert DEL will be missed while the Sand Blasters...oh wait, what Sand Blasters?
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Rooting for the Empire / int_1a8ec53f	comment	Green Lantern: Sinestro is a charismatic villain whose arguments about the Guardians being too involved with their mysteries and prophecies to do an effective job policing the cosmos aren't entirely incorrect so of course people find themselves rooting for him.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_1b49ce18	comment	The Aristocats has Edgar, a butler who has loyally served Madame Adelaide Bonfamille and is angered to discover her inheritance is going to her cats instead of him. His actions merely portray him as an Anti-Villain and fans who sympathize with him claim he has justifiable reasons for abducting the cats. (And anyway, they're just cats.)
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Rooting for the Empire / int_1bdeba5a	comment	The anti-mutant human villains in X-Men can also look sympathetic at times to some readers. The mutants often cause terrible mayhem as well, ranging from the often lethal Power Incontinence of sympathetic ones to all-out attempts by one would-be Evil Overlord or another to conquer America (or the world) and either enslave or exterminate the "flatscan" humans, with democratic and civil-rights-abiding governments time and again shown largely powerless to stop them. All of which makes at least some fans think that just maybe the anti-mutant Strawman Has a Point, mutants are dangerous, and after Magneto tries to destroy civilization for the Xth or Yth time and gets away with a slap on the wrist, they'll be quite happy to vote for Senator Kelly if only he'll sic some sufficiently big Sentinels on the Master of Magnetism and his cronies. The Genoshans are an especially sympathetic example, in large part because they lose, and we get to see the human cost to the "normals" when mutants are free to dominate a country. Basically, the Genoshans forcibly conscripted their mutants and forced them to work for the betterment of their country under close supervision, giving Genosha's non-powered population (the huge majority) a supremely high standard of living. While this is unquestionably evil, it's not done in the style of cackling, Card-Carrying Villain evil, and they justify themselves to the X-Men in the first story they appear in by pointing out that if they don't keep the mutants under strict control, these few but very powerful individuals will quickly take over their country, smashing the freedom and democracy the vast majority of the Genoshan people are presently enjoying. The X-Men, of course, liberated the mutants anyway at the end of X-Tinction Event—And the freed mutants promptly did exactly that, first destroying Genosha in a devastating civil war in Bloodties and then turning what remained of it into a mutant-supremacist People's Republic of Tyranny in Magneto Rex. Genoshan expatriates are understandably extremely bitter about all this, and at least for some readers it's hard not to admit that they sort of have a point. Also, their special police force that kept the mutants in check was a Badass Army with majorly cool uniforms, which probably added to their appeal. Magneto and other mutant supremacists like him are often hard not to root for. Regardless of how Magneto unintentionally helps the case of anti-mutant villains, no matter how many times the X-Men stop him or save the world from other threats, mutants are still as hated and feared as ever. This happens even though the Marvel universe is loaded with superhumans who do not face the same prejudice mutants do despite many of them actually being more powerful than most known mutants, making the prejudice for mutants seem irrational in comparison. This causes many readers to see normal humans as undeserving of the X-Men's aid and feel they deserve to be oppressed by mutants. One of the worst examples is in Secret Empire where HYDRA, which is comprised of actual Nazis, takes over the United States of America and begins a purge of mutants, along with Inhumans, and the normal civilians don't bat an eye to it.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_1dda95f	comment	A major part of the Firebird Trilogy of Harry Potter stories. This heavy AU world features two antagonists; Voldemort and the Sabbat. Voldemort, who is worse than he is in canon (Prone to messing with Harry's head with images of possible, happy homes he could have had, turning Cedric into a human bomb, being an immense He-Man Woman Hater) has a ton of fans who want Harry to join him. This is less because he is a nice guy, far from it, and more because the other bad guys, the Sabbat, are far, far worse, and actually ended up creating Voldemort. While fans would probably still want Harry to kill him, many would have preferred he let Voldemort torture and kill the Sabbat first.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_1e7ca85f	comment	The titular character of Hercules, is simply your standard hero. Hades, by contrast, is still considered one of the best Disney villains of all time and the most entertaining character in the movie, and even fans of the original mythology would likely root for him even harder.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_207208a9	comment	Magneto and other mutant supremacists like him are often hard not to root for. Regardless of how Magneto unintentionally helps the case of anti-mutant villains, no matter how many times the X-Men stop him or save the world from other threats, mutants are still as hated and feared as ever. This happens even though the Marvel universe is loaded with superhumans who do not face the same prejudice mutants do despite many of them actually being more powerful than most known mutants, making the prejudice for mutants seem irrational in comparison. This causes many readers to see normal humans as undeserving of the X-Men's aid and feel they deserve to be oppressed by mutants. One of the worst examples is in Secret Empire where HYDRA, which is comprised of actual Nazis, takes over the United States of America and begins a purge of mutants, along with Inhumans, and the normal civilians don't bat an eye to it.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_2590d8fa	comment	Discworld's Tiffany Aching had always rooted for the Wicked Witch when reading fairy tales because the witches were always more interesting than the Princess Classic heroines. Also, the witches were always dark-haired and dark-eyed like Tiffany, not blonde and blue-eyed like the princesses.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_25bfbf9e	comment	My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic: The story is meant as a Revenge Fic against My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, centering around ponies in another dimension and/or in space, fighting off an evil sorcerer without The Power of Friendship and therefore being superior to the cast of the original show. Many readers actually wished to see the bad guy win, just so that the one dimensional main characters get their asses kicked.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_267cbfa	comment	Dominic Deegan: A lot of readers root for the bad guys due to Dominic and Luna doing some very questionable things. Besides, Celesto Morgan is cooler. Some find Warlord Mustache to be completely awesome for trying to exterminate the Orcs, due to a widely-held disbelief of the official line that the Orcs are really Noble Savages who only live in murderous barbarism because of Mustache. The Orcs also took a year for their storyline, when that time could've been spent introducing fresh things to disparage.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_2af19e5c	comment	In the Cool Kids Table game Homeward Bound 4, the entire game is based on the common situation of audiences liking animals more than people.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_2b70efd4	comment	For the Old World of Darkness's Mage: The Ascension setting, quite a few players think that the Technocracy's earth is a much safer, freer place than a world where you might be eaten by a troll the second your back is turned. This viewpoint steadily gained canon support through Mage's run. The first few Technocracy books were clearly written to help the Storyteller write better villains, and the Technocrats in those books want to do things like destroy creativity. The later ones realized that, given their history (and the fact that they, you know, create all kinds of shiny new technology), the Technocracy makes more sense as Well Intentioned Extremists on an organizational level. In the "canon" Mage ending, the Traditions and the Technocracy ultimately realize that they aren't so different as they both wish the best possible future for humanity. They both Earn The Happy Ending when the world comes to a close in the best way possible for everyone. In the other finale, where the Nephandi win, the Technocracy makes a heroic (if futile) last stand to protect mankind, same as the arguable Big Good, the Order of Hermes.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_2d90b8d	comment	Foolkiller being a Villain Protagonist generally gets this treatment. But one can hardly help it since he does What It Says On The Tin. In The '90s limited series, his body count ranged from muggers, dope dealers, and even drug-addicted mothers and their violent, out-of-control children. The public turned against him only after he publicly killed a narcissistic billionaire real estate mogul who planned to bulldoze low-income housing projects (making thousands of poor homeless) to build gentrified condominiums. As an encore, he went on set to kill a volatile, hate-spewing right-wing TV talk show host right in front of the eyes of his cultish audience. It should be noted that the said billionaire was the head of the city's major drug operations and also had business interests that threatened the Amazon rain forests. The reader can't help but identify with the Foolkiller's mission to some extent. They may not approve of his wanton mass murder, but one can't help but be tempted to feel that he's a necessity in the world we now live in.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_2e1df124	comment	Deliberately invoked in Wreck-It Ralph as a central theme to the film. The antagonists of various video games are presented as Punch Clock Villains who participate in an AA-style support group to help one another with the daily realities of being reviled as evil. The titular character is a 30-year industry veteran who is treated as a pariah in his own game and has gotten sick of being relegated to living in a dump and ignored while the other characters of the game celebrate with one another. Incidentally, and less deliberately, this also applies to the game's universe, since Ralph's motivation for wrecking the apartment in the first place was that it was built over his forest home. The film showing the residents as pompous, stuck-up jerks makes many fans feel that Ralph was justified in wrecking their building. Played straight with the movie's actual villain, Turbo, thanks mainly to his being Laughably Evil.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_2f92f79b	comment	Richard III is the smartest man in the room (any room), and much more charismatic and entertaining than any of the milquetoast good guys who surround him. Just try watching a production of the play without wanting him to win. Also the supposed hero of the play, Richmond, only appears at the end so comes across as a very Flat Character. It also helps that the play is practically the Trope Maker for the Historical Villain Upgrade, and the real Richard III was actually a good king, even if he did some ruthless things to get there.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_305d1c25	comment	In Cucumber Quest, Rosemaster turned out to be such a compelling and interesting antagonist that numerous readers said they were rooting for her to beat the heroes (or, at least, to somehow not lose).
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Rooting for the Empire / int_309df9ea	comment	When Linkara, Film Brain and Nash review the failed Wonder Woman (2011 pilot), they quickly find themselves agreeing with the story antagonists who come across as level-headed and reasonable while Wonder Woman herself is rash, impulsive, openly violent and flaunts her disdain for the law at every possible chance. Her callous murder of a security guard pretty much cements their opinion that the "villains" are merely acting out of self-defense at this point.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_35e05f2a	comment	RWBY: Some fans honestly believe that the White Fang are actually good guys. The logic: they're a civil rights movement for an oppressed ethnic minority, who just want to be respected and sometimes resort to extreme measures. They wouldn't have so many recruits willing to lay down their lives if they didn't have some merit, right?note Some of the more intense defenders even equate the Fang to real-world minority rights groups and equate supporting the Fang to supporting real-world minority rights. They consistently fail to notice or acknowledge that the real-world groups they're mentioning aren't mass-murdering terrorists. In reality, the Fang started as a civil rights movement and became a faunus supremacy terrorist movement, one member of the eponymous team left it for precisely that reason, the Fang murdered the family members of another note which actually increased her prejudice against Faunus, in an obvious commentary on cycles of revenge and hate, they have no problem attacking innocent non-combatants including Faunus, and at the end of Season 3, they willingly participated in a literal terror attack so bad it that makes 9/11 look like a house of cards fell over. So once the Fang were done Jumping Off the Slippery Slope, what do their defenders do? Blame bad writing, even though the Fang are clearly modeled on the many real-life political movements that fell into the same pitfalls. There is a good portion of fans who take Ironwood's side in volumes 7 and 8, ignoring, downplaying, or justifying his actions while demonizing Team RWBY for lying to him and hiding the truth about Ozpin and Salem, accusing them as hypocrites for being angry at Ozpin for keeping it a secret while doing the same thing to Ironwood. Even when he goes off the deep end such as planning to abandon and eventually threaten to bomb the city of Mantle, declaring martial law and become a dictator, ordering everyoneâ€™s arrest, shooting Oscar who tried to reason with him, executing councilman Sleet, and forcing Dr. Watts to hack into Penny who refuses to cooperate. The fans that donâ€™t try to justify his actions tend to blame bad writing as their defense for how Ironwood's character was treated in the show, conveniently glossing over his numerous failings in previous volumes and the fact that his actions are pretty much expansions of his prior behavior, just driven to their logical extreme under lost sanity and suppression of his fear.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_35f1d3fb	comment	Cobra from G.I. Joe and to a lesser extent Hydra from Marvel Comics. Both present modern society as corrupt and self-serving and should be fought against. They do make good points except both organizations are much, much worse. Join or die was Cobra SOP at one point.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3953baf0	comment	The Hunchback of Notre Dame: The reason Frollo was made a Complete Monster was that Disney was trying to avoid this trope (it had happened so many times before). Didn't work. Some even have a disturbing habit of justifying his, a massive hypocrite's, actions.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_39a7b680	comment	The author of The House of Elendil seems to have succeeded a little too well in making the Empire of Umbar seem impressive. The majority of readers are more excited to see Umbar in all its glory and many say they would be perfectly happy seeing it conquer Westeros, or even the whole world.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_39fe00f1	comment	In Dragon Age: Inquisition fanfic Walking in Circles, by the time the story reaches the Conclave, quite a number of readers have expressed their support for Solas's plan of taking down the Veil. This's because while Solas, and Evelyn by extension, do want to destroy the current world, they have good intention behind it and takes no pleasure in their actions. Not to mention if their plan does succeed, it'll bring long-term benefits for not just the elves but also mages of all races. Meanwhiles, the Templars who act like tyrants oppressing the mages and the Chantry that either encourage such actions or turn a blind eye to it certainly don't endear themselves to the readers at all, even if it did show that there are some good Templars.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3ab71c22	comment	In Dungeon Keeper Ami, Keeper Mukrezar, Ami's foil, plays this trope very straight: he's hammy, he's funny, he's as inventive and fast-thinking as Mercury and it's tons of fun watching him backstab and manipulate his own 'allies'.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3ac755dd	comment	Nobody inspires "Rooting for the Empire" like Gaston! While it wasn't always this way, he has gotten quite popular over the years, arguably more so than either of the protagonists in Beauty and the Beast. This is probably due to viewers finding his ego oddly charming than obnoxious (as intended), his ridiculously exaggerated but still catchy and lively song, and for being a straight-up Large Ham.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3b34143f	comment	Later, he off-handedly references Harry Potter as the villain of his titular books, and even later he comments that Joffrey was "a kind and wise ruler."
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3c38c613	comment	Shylock from The Merchant of Venice is a Jewish money-lender who is derided, insulted, and generally discriminated against by pretty much everyone. He serves as the main antagonist of the story and is trying to collect on a debt owed by Bassanio, a friend of the protagonist Antonio. Antonio had signed onto the debt as a guarantor and Shylock, who hated Antonio, saw a path to revenge by demanding a pound of Antonio's flesh as a penalty for defaulting on the loan. Thanks to some Rules Lawyering on behalf of the protagonists, Shylock is not only denied his revenge, the debt is annulled, his wealth is taken from him, and he is forced to convert to Christianity. At the time Shylock was considered a highly effective, loathsome villain and his fate was just comeuppance for his greed. In today's world, the character is received much differently, to the point of being a highly sympathetic character. Modern productions often play Shylock as a tragic villain rather than his traditional "pure evil" role, and his famous "I am a Jew!" speech, with no modification whatsoever, today reads perfectly as the lamentations and frustrations of an oppressed people to discriminatory and dehumanizing treatment from the masses. That said, Shylock does provide the current page quote for Fair for Its Day.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3c4ddc1e	comment	90% of the For Better or for Worse fandom was hoping that Elizabeth would end up with one of her Wrong Guy First candidates, rather than the inevitable blandness that is Anthony. Pretty much everyone thought his "shrewish" wife ThÃ©rÃ¨se was absolutely in the right as well.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3cfa8214	comment	Vampire Cheerleaders: The larger part of the comic's fanbase (on Facebook) actually favored Lori and her Coven of vampires, despite their actions, and hated the Paranormal Mystery Squad, who they saw as a group of knights templar that were guilty of committing Van Helsing Hate Crimesnote This part was true to an extent, Stephanie used to kill cryptids indiscriminately because of what'd happened to her parents. By the time of the crossover, however, she had come to accept that cryptids weren't inherently evil and had changed her M.O. from killing them, to capturing them instead. Which made the PMS a group of heroic antagonists. So you can imagine how well they reacted to the cheerleaders being casts as the villains (which they always were) during the "Vampire Cheerleaders Must Die!" arc, which ended with them being taken into custody by PETM.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_3f49b7d0	comment	Sweeney Todd: The title character. At first glance, it's understandable — after being arrested on a trumped-up charge and sent to a prison/labor camp in Australia for fifteen years, Todd (a.k.a. Benjamin Barker) finally escapes and only desires to get revenge on Judge Turpin and Beadle Bamford, the two men who organized his destruction so they could help themselves to his wife (who they raped and drove to suicide or so Todd thinks) and are now keeping his daughter prisoner. The problem comes when, after the Judge manages to escape Todd's grip the first time, he goes absolutely insane and decides that he's going to kill everyone in London, reasoning that death will either be justice for the wicked or relief for the downtrodden. Fans still love Todd even after he cracks and continue to root for his campaign of vengeance, even though he, by his own admission, loses sight of that goal and gradually becomes completely deadened to the fact that he's a mass-murdering serial killer. There's also Mrs. Lovett, especially since Stephen Sondheim himself is on record as calling her the "true villain" of Sweeney. Whereas Todd is at least at first motivated by revenge for his wife, and even Judge Turpin (as despicable and repulsive as he is) has some degree of conscience (in his typically Cut Song, he's depicted as a deeply repressed individual whose belief that Sex Is Evil is so strong that it's permanently warped his understanding of the world and ability to interact with others; Sondheim has expressed frustration that the song is often removed, as it removes Turpin's more complex motivations), Mrs. Lovett is an unabashed opportunist whose only goal is bettering her own situation. It's clearest when she outright lies to Todd about Lucy, his wife, being alive just because she's in love with him herself — she says she's doing it for Todd, but it's patently obvious that she's lying, but it also manifests when she comes up with the idea of turning Todd's victims into the meat for her pies. But she's so fun and funny that it's easy to forget what a horrible human being she is (the aforementioned plan is developed in a song that's pretty much a Hurricane of Puns about how different professions will taste).
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Rooting for the Empire / int_400469e	comment	In Calvin and Hobbes, one night when Calvin's dad is reading him a bedtime story; Calvin requested a retelling of Little Red Riding Hood where the Big Bad Wolf succeeds in eating her. When Calvin's dad suggests Hansel and Gretel, Calvin says he wants the witch to eat them and then have the wolf eat the witch. Another strip had him rewrite Goldilocks and the Three Bears except the bears were tigers and they eat Goldilocks. His dad was disturbed by it.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_4249cc3a	comment	Candorville- Roxanne considers the villain of almost any movie to be the real hero.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_44e0b783	comment	Garfield: Garfield roots for the monster that ate Tokyo in a movie, because "anything that eats everything can't be all bad". When watching the movie "Lassie Crosses the Freeway", Garfield mentions that he's rooting for the trucks. As Jon and Garfield watch a film about a man-eating lion, we know who roots for whom. Even when the lion gets killed in the end, Garfield happily notes that he ended with a score of "Villagers: 1 Lion: 42". In an Evil Versus Evil example, Garfield goes to the movie theater to see The Sludge Monster Meets Vermin Man no fewer than nine times, always wearing Sludge Monster memorabilia and holding up a sign cheering on the Sludge Monster — even though the Sludge Monster absolutely terrifies him, to the point that he can't sleep at night for fear of being Sludged.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_46518682	comment	The only person on Sesame Street she can even tolerate is Oscar, who really speaks to her.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_480ef4e0	comment	Five Nights At Freddy's: Lost Souls: Even after Golden Freddy snaps and grows violent toward the humans, specifically Kelly, readers still found themselves sympathizing with him more than the aforementioned Kelly. In fact, many a comment cheered for Golden Freddy when he implied he would break Kelly's arm, mostly due to Kelly being The Scrappy and Unintentionally Unsympathetic, while he himself had shown understandable reasons for detesting her so much.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_50bcf7a6	comment	Homestuck: Lil Hal considers Hal 9000 the protagonist of 2001: A Space Odyssey, and even names himself after him.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_5199a8f1	comment	The 2014 Fantastic Four annual gave an odd case where roles were reversed when Susan came to get her and Reed's daughter Valeria when she chose to live with Doom. Susan tried asking Valeria, only to find her daughter played with her mother's emotions by sending a remote-controlled robot to speak with her. Sue got mad and tried to take Valeria back, while Doom tried to stop her. The whole ensuing fight shows Susan as being in the wrong and her actions being the result of her Superpowered Evilside, which caused her to terrify Valeria and damage the surrounding town while Doom actually tried to reason with her as Susan almost kills him. But given Doctor Doom's past villainy, something Susan even calls him out for during the fight, how cruel Valeria just acted towards her own mother, Doom's Popularity Power leading to him rarely losing, means even though he's in the right it can be easy to cheer for Susan just for the sake of seeing Doom lose.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_52e0e617	comment	Phelous is pretty sure in his reviews of Crocodile (2000) and Crocodile 2: Death Swamp that we're supposed to be rooting for the crocodiles. Or maybe Princess the dog, when he thinks she's constantly luring the humans to the croc on purpose.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_5307b01d	comment	Penny Arcade: As seen here, Tycho roots for the zombies when watching the The Walking Dead.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_57329ddd	comment	In the North Korean propaganda-fest that is Squirrel and Hedgehog (although the animation was done by a foreign company, probably Chinese), the creators went a little too far in making the Americans (as Savage Wolves no less) badass. Just... take a look. A YouTube commenter summed it up pretty well: It's worth noting that unlike most fascist propaganda, which generally extolls the strength of its people, North Korean propaganda tends to sell how weak and helpless the North Korean people are — and thus how they need the Kim dynasty to protect them. Not that this makes the American wolves any less cool.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_5755b96a	comment	The Order of the Stick: Invoked with Tarqin, who explains that he follows all of the Evil Is Cool tropes to a T to provoke this sort of reaction from anyone who hears of the story, thus immortalizing him into a legend. In a sequence referencing Dune Belkar is reading the original, and getting quite agitated when Baron Harkonnen's life is threatened.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_58907201	comment	The Patriarchy arc in Sinfest seems to have provoked this reaction due to just how polarizing the Sisterhood (Xanthe in particular) is.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_5b3356f8	comment	Turning Red: There are fans that feel that Mei's ultimate philosophies can come across as misguided or selfish. Many of these fans tend to side more with Ming as a result, feeling that for all her flaws, she is the more reasonable one in the conflict and the more sympathetic character overall, especially after her backstory is revealed.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_5e150650	comment	White Wolf's Exalted ran into this in the first edition and then deliberately invoked it in the second edition. As every Exalt type's splatbook is written from their perspective and to promote their agenda, each type has its partisans. The most literal case is with the Terrestrial and Sidereal Exalted, who run (openly and covertly, respectively) the Scarlet Empire, which is an oppressive dogmatic theocracy that yet is one of the only things standing between many people and numerous horrors from beyond the world. Even the Yozis, the demon lords who were once the ancient titans that treated the world as a plaything, have their apologists.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_610a28dd	comment	A good number of people prefer Captain Hook over the main protagonist in Peter Pan. This is probably because, unlike other Disney villains, Captain Hook has an understandable reason to want and destroy his nemesis. That and the abuses he continually suffers from seems more undeserved than anything, putting him straight into Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain territory. Where he crosses the line, of course, is by lashing out at perfectly innocent people in his quest to get at Peter, even if he thinks that's the only way he can succeed. It should also be noted that his own crew hates him because they never get to do fun pirate stuff, but have to constantly aid and abet a revenge quest they don't give a rat's ass about.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_616039c3	comment	For Vampire Assassin, she played the "Lonely Man" music from The Incredible Hulk (1977) when "Vampire Hulk" gets staked.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_6276800c	comment	The Nostalgia Critic: He's prone to this when he thinks the hero of a movie needs to be killed quickly (which, given the calibre of the movies he watches, is surprisingly frequent). Best exemplified in The Wiz, when both the Critic and Todd in the Shadows think the few minutes of the Wicked Witch are fun enough that they hope she wins. He's also had more than a few times when he's found the "hero" to be far less likable or otherwise worse than the "villain", like in Flubber where he firmly believes the villain would be the better husband for the Love Interest because he would at least be there for her and actually seems to treat her quite well despite being a diabolical mastermind, unlike Professor Brainard who has stood her up at the altar four times now and is so careless and devoted to his work that he's not once shown any qualities that imply he's a good husband. Similarly, he is firmly on the side of the "evil" establishment of old-school doctors in Patch Adams. While he admits they are humorless asswipes, he'd still rather have a humorless jerk who coldly treats his ailment and moves on rather than the overly emotional clown that Patch was being. Even after being informed by fans that bedside manner back then really was terrible and a hell of a lot worse than it is now (read: non-existent), he still feels that Patch went too far the other way and, if given the choice of one or the other, that he'd still take the asshole doctor.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_6a4c8f1b	comment	One-Punch Man: The primary reason why hero slayer Garou started his rampage. When he was a kid, he always had to play the monster part in his classmates' heroes vs. monsters game which the other kids used to bully him. He therefore started to identify with the monsters rather than with the heroes which he saw as degenerated and arrogant.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_6ac55ec7	comment	Dungeons & Dragons: In the Forgotten Realms settings, with the canon lore of Drizzt Do'Urden, many fans hate him for his tendency to survive the most ridiculous situations and setting an odd perception to the Drow. While some fans do hate him, they still read the novels because of the detailing of the surrounding world, especially Drizzt's enemies, be it drow, Thay or Jarlaxle and Artemis. The latter even got their own spinoff novel trilogy. Plenty of evil figures can fall into this trope, especially the Munchkin-friendly ones. Kobolds in particular tend to receive a very nuanced, sympathetic eye from most fans, who fell in love with the little dog-dragon dudes in spite of their Lawful Evil alignment. Later books would detail this further, describing kobold culture as steeped in martyrdom for the warren, worship of dragons regardless of color, and valuing ingenuity over brute force.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_6c1d09b4	comment	The point of view character in the Fallout 4 machinima series, Fallout Lore: The Storyteller, is quite proud of the directions that the Brotherhood of Steel has taken, despite the fact that most fans consider the Brotherhood to have Took a Level in Jerkass to the point of becoming villains since Fallout 3.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_6e966e7e	comment	The Marvel event World War Hulk had most readers rooting for the Hulk, mainly because of all the crap The Illuminati put him through. It even happened in the story with many bystanders siding with the Hulk. Another major factor was the events of Civil War (2006). It's hard to root for the heroes when they've forced all superhumans to work solely for the government, enslaving, imprisoning, and killing everyone who disobeys. It even leaked into Secret Invasion (2008), with some readers hoping that the Skrulls would manage to conquer Earth and enslave the muggle population to teach them a thing or two about freedom. While the Skrulls didn't win, this led to Dark Reign with Norman Osborn as head cop, with some fans rooting for Osborn and his Dark Avengers, which was even Marvel's top-selling book month after month during its run. Later flipped around in Incredible Hercules when Hulk went up against Zeus and got his ass kicked hard. Zeus, while not exactly evil, was the more unsympathetic party by far, but lots of fans cheered him on simply because they felt Hulk was starting to get into God-Mode Sue territory and they were happy to have a hard limit on his power established.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_7035cc5c	comment	In Pages Of Harmony Twilight Sparkle, like Light Yagami, becomes a Knight Templar who believes that Utopia Justifies the Means. Despite her crossing the Moral Event Horizon in order to try to attain her goal of complete Harmony, it reached a point where there were almost more people wanting to see Twilight win, despite her killing her friends and wanting to eliminate anyone without the right traits.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_710af47f	comment	In Event Horizon: Storm of Magic, The Companyâ„¢ is a powerful, ruthless, opportunistic, and manipulative organization, but most readers still support them or at least consider them a Villain Protagonist at worst. They do, after all, bring positive social change and technological progress to worlds locked in Medieval Stasis like Westeros, as well as fighting on humanity's side against the more omnicidal factions like Mordor and the Forces Of Chaos.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_76e7de99	comment	In the Forgotten Realms settings, with the canon lore of Drizzt Do'Urden, many fans hate him for his tendency to survive the most ridiculous situations and setting an odd perception to the Drow. While some fans do hate him, they still read the novels because of the detailing of the surrounding world, especially Drizzt's enemies, be it drow, Thay or Jarlaxle and Artemis. The latter even got their own spinoff novel trilogy.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_7d122312	comment	Completing the cereal-ad trifecta, many ads for Cocoa and Fruity Pebbles feature ostensible-protagonist Barney stealing ostensible-antagonist Fred's cereal to shouts of "BARNEY! My PEBBLES!" Fred may be overreacting, but once you realize why the thieving little Tyrion Lannister wannabe doesn't just buy his own damn cereal, it's hard not to sympathize with Fred.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_7de8951a	comment	The first published Traveller adventures had the players breaking into Imperial research stations, breaking out of Imperial prisons, and helping the rebels. Then the rebels nuke a city, and the players had to help the Imperium in a war. In the last published adventure about the Imperium, the players are Imperial nobles and generals who try to stop it from collapsing.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_8125b468	comment	Batman may as well be Trope Codifier. Batman's Rogues Gallery is the most famous of any superhero's, and each one of said rogues has their own dedicated fanbase who love and root for them, knowing full well what scoundrels they are. We wouldn't have 'em any other way. Due to Batman and the Gotham Law Enforcement only giving a Superficial Solution to dangerous serial killers by giving them to courts that sentence these murders to prisons or asylums they can easily escape, when a Knight Templar appears in Gotham City to offer a more lethal solution, some readers can't help wish they can spill the blood of Batman's more vile foes before Batman himself can stop them.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_817acecf	comment	Fables does a pretty decent job of openly asking whether those in Fabletown should have been rooting for the empire; Gepetto committed horrifying atrocities but ruled an empire where most inhabitants lived in peace and also imprisoned a lot of frightfully powerful evil beings that as of the fall of his reign have begun to escape. On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that us mundies would definitely be getting the short end of the genocidal stick if Gepetto had taken over our world.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_8258e260	comment	Bowser has always had some players rooting for him in Super Mario Bros., and The Super Mario Bros. Movie is no exception. His being both Laughably Evil and cool, along with his voice from Jack Black, have won him over many fans who would have loved to watch him get away with his crimes and succeed with his goals.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_85a9b36f	comment	The villain of the The Emoji Movie; Smiler is one of the most popular characters in the movie and what makes her even easier to root for is that everything she says is right! Many people were really hoping she did kill Gene and the others. One critic was "openly rooting for Gene to be executed."
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Rooting for the Empire / int_85d969fe	comment	Many viewers of A Troll in Central Park find the antagonists, Queen Gnorga and Llort, far more likable than the largely cloying protagonists Stanley, Gus, and Rosie, thanks in part to how hammy and over the top their acting is.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_88b26d0a	comment	Medieval Times Dinner And Tournament: Following his descent into villainy starting with the 2006 show, many fans have come to root for the Green Knight to win, if only because he's deliberately designed to be a Hate Sink destined to lose every time, and they want to see him actually earn a victory.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_8ae87a20	comment	Press Your Luck: Contestant Scott Haven chanted "No little red men!" when it was his turn to spin. He was obviously referring to the Whammy, but he was also repeating an ethnic slur against Native Americans. In-studio audience members got so sick of him doing it, that they started chanting "Whammy! Whammy!" during his second game. When he finally hit one, the audience applauded.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_8af58eb4	comment	Many FernGully watchers sympathize with Hexxus, who for the record is the incarnation of pollution in a heavily Anvilicious cartoon about how life is precious and pollution evil. Yet viewers seem to forget he's an abomination whose end game is to spread pollution across the world, which would threaten all life — in the film it's more open as to how severe of a threat he'd be, but his book version was stated as constantly trying to kill all life including humans. But, that's what you get for casting Tim Curry as your main villain against main characters that have been forgotten more easily (save for comic relief Batty) — an antagonist who has fans and people who cheer for him and want him to win.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_90a3a7f4	comment	In the Kim Possible episode "All the News", Jim and Tim are fans of the episode's villain (who previously had an extreme stunts show until it was revealed she'd been faking everything) and root for her when she televises her fight with Kim, earning a scolding from their dad.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_9146370	comment	The Exile of Super Dinosaur has a sympathetic backstory, and though he does intend to conquer the world, it is to save his people from his brothers tyranny and forced isolation, rather than a lust for power. Then you get the obnoxious Kid Hero not only rubbing out his shot at liberating his people, but smugly taunting him about it.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_920d318c	comment	In Anima: Beyond Fantasy, there's a significant number of fans who hate Elisabetta Barbados, the Child Empress, because of their Common Mary Sue Traits -Iron Woobie, Chosen One, described as very beautiful, Wise Beyond Their Years in both how governs and fight abilities...-, and root for Matthew Gaul, who has a much more fleshed out background, even if he looks like an Evil Overlord and loves stabs in the back.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_9235cdb4	comment	When watching the movie "Lassie Crosses the Freeway", Garfield mentions that he's rooting for the trucks.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_9aabc9b1	comment	He's prone to this when he thinks the hero of a movie needs to be killed quickly (which, given the calibre of the movies he watches, is surprisingly frequent). Best exemplified in The Wiz, when both the Critic and Todd in the Shadows think the few minutes of the Wicked Witch are fun enough that they hope she wins.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_9ab064e6	comment	Les MisÃ©rables: Some people side strongly with Javert, rejecting the Lawful Stupid interpretation and instead insisting that Valjean, as a thieving, robbing, murdering, treacherous parole-breaker who engages in armed rebellion against the government, is perhaps not undeserving of the law's, and thus Javert's, dedicated attention. This isn't as extreme an example as the others on the page, Javert is ultimately an admirable figure for his commitment to justice, and no character in the play is meant to be outright hated (excluding the Thenardiers). The Thenardiers themselves also get this treatment. As the above poster mentioned, they're the only truly bad people in the musical — everyone else is fighting for some cause that is, to some degree, noble (freedom, justice, love, etc), but the Thenardiers are only concerned with their own standing and are willing to do anything, from ripping off customers to abusing their daughter to robbing corpses, to make a quick buck. They have no morals whatsoever, and are truly reprehensible... but they also get pretty much the only comic moments ("Master of the House" and "Beggar at the Feast," which are also insanely catchy) in an extremely dark show. Plus, they know how evil they are and revel in it, and nearly every production casts exceptionally over-the-top actors in the roles (for proof, the film put Sacha Baron Cohen — freaking Borat — and Helena Bonham Carter in the parts), so it's easy to forget that they're disgusting, vile people.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_9b7cd6e3	comment	In We All Need A Hero; a AU Where Sayu Yagami is Kira. With Sayu as Kira who unlike her brother Light Yagami, she is a far more well intentioned, merciful Kira that doesnâ€™t have a God-complex and avoids killing innocents even if they are against her. As a result, a vast chunk of readers have expressed being Pro Sayu even if they werenâ€™t Pro Light in Death Note proper.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_a232812	comment	Wish (2023): There is no shortage of viewers who, whether they admit to his faults or not, believe Magnifico's rule is what is best for the kingdom of Rosas and that Asha should have left well enough alone. It's established at the beginning that people are safe from the dangers of the outside world under his watch, they are largely happy with the state of things given how prosperous the kingdom is, and (despite his selfish reasons for picking some of them) Magnifico grants the heart's desire of as many as fourteen people per year — not to mention that they willingly gave up their wishes to him with full knowledge they would forget the wish, and that the odds of "winning" were always going to be low given the city's large population. With things going so well and the possibility that it could go all downhill without him, many root for Magnifico to maintain the status quo he worked hard to build in the first place, not helped by the fact that his Jumping Off the Slippery Slope into becoming a would-be Sorcerous Overlord only happens after Asha's actions cause Star to materialize, making him desperate to protect his power.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_a535581a	comment	The Emperor's New Groove: It isn't that Kuzco and Pacha aren't entertaining or good characters, so much as Kronk and Yzma flat-out steal the show, to the point that some viewers even wish that Kuzco doesn't get better just because they want to see the villains succeed.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_a7b231a4	comment	In The Boondocks, Huey says he hated the The Patriot (2000) so much that he found himself wishing the British would win so he could go home.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_a825da3e	comment	Magic: The Gathering: Quite a few fans are rather pro-Phyrexian, to the point where one rather prominent fansite is named "Phyrexia.com" (and themed around the plane). As Phyrexians are not so much Always Chaotic Evil as Always Completely Evil (they were created by a man who lived as a nomad visiting various civilisations just so he could release plagues and wipe them all out -- in one case just to see what would happen), the level of support they've garnered is almost shocking. The Scars of Mirrodin story arc brings the Phyrexians back into the limelight, and Wizards of the Coast being quite adamant about not revealing whether or not they'll win (they did) just contributed to this — just watch the promotional videos on Youtube, often depicting Phyrexians committing Nightmare Fuel atrocities against the Mirrans, then look at all the comments proudly shouting Phyrexian slogans. According to the statistics from when Mirrodin Besieged came out, 51% of players supported the Phyrexians. Wizards of the Coast invoked this trope during the Mirrodin Besieged prerelease: those that supported Phyrexia were given several packs containing nothing but Phyrexian cards, while the Mirran side got only Mirran cards. Back in the day, Phyrexia was confined to Black, the (usually) "evil" color. As per the New Phyrexia expansion, though, they've branched out into all five colors, and while this has mostly consisted of twisted Phyrexian takes on each color's philosophy, some Phyrexians, most notably those aligned to Red (the color of freedom and passion), are starting to show more sympathetic tendencies.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_a851d974	comment	The Nostalgia Chick admits that she sort of wants Hades to win in Hercules, because he (and Megara, who starts as one of his Mooks) are the only characters she finds interesting. Also, being a Child Hater herself, she seems almost perplexed that Matilda presents the Trunchbull as an unsympathetic character.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ad407316	comment	Apotheosis (MHA): Izuku became a ruthless Visionary Villain (armed with a created Infinity Gauntlet), with his goal being the complete restructuring of hero society. The thing is, he's entirely correct that society judges based on powerful quirks rather than one's personality and merits, (citing the abusive Endeavor and Bakugo as examples), most heroes aren't for the sake of helping others, but rather for the fame and glory, the quirkless and impractical quirk users are heavily discriminated against, and nothing has been done to improve things. Also helping is that his actions as the story progresses, Izuku never harms innocents, empathizes with those with similar backgrounds, extols genuine heroes, and is willing to reinstate "false heroes" if they atone.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_b3f687d1	comment	Jason of FoxTrot also cheers for Darth Vader. He even tried to convince George Lucas to digitally insert him into the Special Edition as "Jason Skywalker", a new younger brother of Luke who is Force sensitive too and eventually turns to The Dark Side. He also refers to Luke as "a fool" because he doesn't turn to the Dark Side.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_b4aa15df	comment	Escape the Night: While everyone is always rooting for the main cast to escape, in some challenges, the show clearly wants us to root for one character while the other character is meant to be seen as cannon fodder. This is especially the case in season fourâ€™s rematch between DeStorm and Alex. Destorm seems to have mellowed out considerably since the last time we saw him and has become an entertaining Wild Card, while Alex has become more selfish and arrogant. When Alex wins purely because of DeStormâ€™s Heroic Sacrifice, many fans were disappointed as Destormâ€™s character arc was far more interesting than Alex.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_b6c15d0	comment	In The Conversion Bureau story "A Beacon of Hope" the nation of New Athens, to the surprise of both Celestia and its founder Socrates the Wise, has Equestrian immigrants despite being deliberately engineered to be Crapsack Only by Comparison and inhabited by Boomerang Bigot Newfoals.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_b7c0a3e5	comment	Super Smash Bros: The Animated Series: Our heroes are all Unintentionally Unsympathetic jerkasses who bully the nicer cast members, rob houses for no reason, are perfectly willing to kill innocent civilians, and still manage to be annoyingly bland. You'll be begging the antagonists to kill them.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ba084d45	comment	Hamilton: Overlapping with Alternative Character Interpretation, those who supported the real Jefferson's political positions may root for him during the Cabinet battles. It helps that he's portrayed as a hilarious Large Ham and that most other stories featuring him tend to portray him as a hero, predisposing audiences to view him favourably. Aaron Burr also gets quite a bit of this. While he's the closest thing the play has to a Big Bad, he's shown in a very sympathetic light, and the two songs he gets to himself, "Wait For It" and "The Room Where It Happens", are generally considered two of the best in the play. Combine this with the fact that Hamilton is shown to be obnoxious, arrogant, and an adulterer, and a lot of viewers end up finding Burr to be the more likeable of the two.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_c63366f9	comment	In Undergrads Rocko, ever obsessed with college stereotypes, decides he wants to spark a rivalry between Central State Junior Community College and State University by showing up to their games in a CSJCC hoodie and beating the crap out of the State U Manatee. However the State U students hate that stupid manatee and instead end up cheering on the "Crazy Beatin' Guy" for showing up and beating him up at every game, much to Rocko's chagrin and frustration.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ccae327f	comment	Spoony repeatedly finds himself rooting for the evil military in Final Fantasy XIII, noting that while they are ultimately wrong they're portrayed surprisingly sympathetically in that they're genuinely trying to protect civilians, are opposed to wholesale slaughter and prefer non-violent tactics when possible, and are at worst Obliviously Evil who don't realize they've been misguided into evil. It's made worse by how, by comparison, he finds the protagonists to be much worse despite their ultimate goal of saving the world, as they have no problem with collateral damage, terrifying and attacking civilians, and even go out of their way to kill as many soldiers as possible for fun even when just leaving would have been the more effective tactic.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_d22a9a66	comment	Certain older fans of Pleasant Goat and Big Big Wolf tend to root for the villain Wolffy instead of the heroic goats. The fact that he's Laughably Evil and can come off as an Iron Woobie due to the amount of abuse he gets from his wife Wolnie probably has something to do with it.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_d456b5a9	comment	In Eleutherophobia: Lost World, Tom thinks the dinosaurs are the real heroes of Jurassic Park for killing most of the annoying characters.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_d72e1159	comment	Darth Vader: Canon says Vader and Palpatine will defeat any threat against them, but each arc features antagonists who the readers can really hope will win and find far more sympathetic than Vader, who gets some of his worst dog-kicking moments in these comics. Three comics feature Villain Protagonists who want to either stop or break away from the Empire and its atrocities, while the industrialist from The Ninth Assassin is not a good man but still has some impressive guts and understandable grief over the death of his son.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_d735e2c8	comment	In Superior Spider-Man (2013), quite a lot of fans are starting to root for any supervillain who's against Spider-Man (aka. Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man's body, which he has stolen) due to his increasingly amoral behavior. At first this was just the fans, but as the comic continues it seems to be intentional. Helped by the fact that most of said supervillains are of the Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain variety or are really cool. This has ultimately boiled down to watching the Goblin King and his army tearing down everything Otto had built up.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_d8c462f3	comment	Warhammer: The End Times avoided this with the central villains, especially since the winning brought about the end of the world, something fans weren't happy with, especially since the villains were seen as being handed victories they didn't deserve. But it did occur in the civil war between Tyrion and Malekith. Tyrion was one of the main heroes in the setting and the greatest defender of the High Elves. Malekith was the Evil Overlord of the Dark Elves, the High Elves' Arch-Enemy, and had a hand in many of the disasters in the setting in some shape or form. But out of nowhere it was revealed that despite his villainy, Malekith was in fact the rightful king of the High Elves and they were all expected to bow down to him. Tyrion opposing Malekith has him framed as being in the wrong, causing fans to see him as a Designated Villain and wanted to him defeat Malekith. Quite tellingly even with the plot bending over backwards to make Tyrion look bad, his atrocities still weren't anywhere close to those of Malekith.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_d9905437	comment	The writer for The Storm Dragons series is definitely rooting for the Empire in the Inheritance Cycle, as the two separate story arcs describe in detail the backgrounds of two of the main villains, one which is an elder black dragon and the other is Galbatorix, plus multiple Anti-Villains on the side.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ddefed22	comment	He's also had more than a few times when he's found the "hero" to be far less likable or otherwise worse than the "villain", like in Flubber where he firmly believes the villain would be the better husband for the Love Interest because he would at least be there for her and actually seems to treat her quite well despite being a diabolical mastermind, unlike Professor Brainard who has stood her up at the altar four times now and is so careless and devoted to his work that he's not once shown any qualities that imply he's a good husband.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_e66a25a9	comment	Some Rifts fans see The Coalition States in a heroic light, as defenders of humanity. This is a nation that's blatantly modeled after Nazi Germany, including the institutionalized genocide, with one of the later books including a commentary reiterating the fact that the Coalition, or at least those in charge of it, really are bad guys. Draco in Leather Pants plays a large role here, as does What Measure Is a Non-Human?; the Coalition's military aesthetic is heavy on black and "Death's Head" skull imagery, making even a common grunt soldier look incredibly badass. Not helped by recent supplements giving the Coalition every lucky break it is possible to have until they start verging on Canon Sue territory. Much of the fanbase is starting to wonder if Kevin Siembeda himself is Rooting for the Empire.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ea29fc84	comment	Doctor Doom has gotten this in a big way, and partly due to his Memetic Badass status in the fandom, and neither one is all that unjustified; Doom usually is that badass, and Reed Richards has a notorious history of being a total prick rather frequently. Warren Ellis gave Marvel 2099 a grand send-off by letting Doom take over the USA. It worked... right up until the politicians broke out the WMDs they had previously been too scared to use. Ellis points out that the basis of Doom's megalomania is that he truly believes that the world would be better off under his rule so he could protect and provide for it with the fruits of his genius without interference. And in canon Marvel, Doom has turned Latveria into a Gothic Dubai while Reed Richards Is Useless. The 2014 Fantastic Four annual gave an odd case where roles were reversed when Susan came to get her and Reed's daughter Valeria when she chose to live with Doom. Susan tried asking Valeria, only to find her daughter played with her mother's emotions by sending a remote-controlled robot to speak with her. Sue got mad and tried to take Valeria back, while Doom tried to stop her. The whole ensuing fight shows Susan as being in the wrong and her actions being the result of her Superpowered Evilside, which caused her to terrify Valeria and damage the surrounding town while Doom actually tried to reason with her as Susan almost kills him. But given Doctor Doom's past villainy, something Susan even calls him out for during the fight, how cruel Valeria just acted towards her own mother, Doom's Popularity Power leading to him rarely losing, means even though he's in the right it can be easy to cheer for Susan just for the sake of seeing Doom lose.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_eb37bd61	comment	Code Prime: Many fans enjoy how often the Decepticons humiliate Britannia on a regular basis, despite both factions working together to fight the Black Knights and the Autobots. The Empire's more haughty individuals, particularly the ones that value social standing and pedigree over strength and merit in combat, end up being humiliated a lot more often than others. Many fans are actually hoping that Megatron overthrows Charles by the end of R1. Come Chapter 34, Megatron manages to succeed in destroying the Britannian Empire and killing Charles, to the joy of the fans.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ec80dae4	comment	Yahtzee has expressed this opinion when reviewing games with unlikable protagonists or in modern military shooters a.k.a. Spunkgargleweewee that feature overly militaristic "good guys".
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Rooting for the Empire / int_ecd2a256	comment	A variation on Girls with Slingshots: Many readers actually rooted for Zach to break up with the protagonist Hazel, considering how selfish and immature she had been with their relationship and throughout the entire webcomic run, the same thing for misfortune to hit back at her as comeuppance for her jerkass behaviour, which is why they cheered when these things started to happen near the webcomic's end.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_f0a86c12	comment	How I Met Your Mother: Barney apparently applies this trope to the majority of movies he's seen. He gets called out on rooting for Johnny in The Karate Kid (partly because he mistakenly believes he's the titular character), and the rest of the group bring up a plethora of movies, all of which he roots for the villain in them, including Principal Vernon in The Breakfast Club, Hans in Die Hard, and the actual Empire. Barney also refuses to accept that the characters he roots for are villains. Later, he off-handedly references Harry Potter as the villain of his titular books, and even later he comments that Joffrey was "a kind and wise ruler."
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Rooting for the Empire / int_f2041376	comment	In her Charmed reviews, she considers the Charmed Ones (particularly Phoebe) to be Designated Heroes. It gets to the point where, in Season 4, she says, "It makes you root for the Source of All Evil because he seems nice in comparison." In season 6, during the high school reunion episode, the Alpha Bitch calls Phoebe a selfish whore to her face in as catty a manner as possible, and Lupa can't actually argue against it. In the same season, they're put on trial for misuse of magic. A recurring antagonist, Barbas, prosecutes them so effectively that they're almost convicted... and he's basically just repeating everything Lupa has said through her review of the series.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_f78e69f	comment	From Chicken Little, plenty of viewers were cheering on the titular aliens who were vaporizing the citizens of Oakey Oats. It helps that the townspeople were such assholes who mercilessly bullied Chicken Little for no good reason.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_f7ed2fd7	comment	A few viewers of Disney's The Little Mermaid found the sly, manipulative Ursula a lot more likable than the naive, impulsive protagonist Ariel, or her overprotective, human-hating father King Triton, and were rooting for her to actually win the deal and conquer Atlantica. It helps that she's been shown as a Benevolent Boss to her minions Flotsam and Jetsam (in the movie, at least), and was none too happy when they were eradicated.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_fb173de	comment	The Phantom of the Opera fan base is often partial toward the sympathetic phantom's side, romanticizing his unhealthy obsession with Christine as "true love" and perceiving him as a tragic villain, sometimes even while demonizing bland rival suitor Raoul in fanfictions.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_febc6a4c	comment	Every single person that has reviewed The Groovenians, which includes Hewy Toonmore, Rowdy C, Mr. Enter and The Cartoon Hero, found themselves siding with Norman the Normal and his claim that the Groovenians and their friends can't expect to just party and create art all the time without having to pay for the resources they use.
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Rooting for the Empire / int_fefd7517	comment	If some fanfics are anything to go by, some people prefer Joe to the protagonist Jack from Jack and the Cuckoo-Clock Heart, not only beacuse of Evil Is Cool in both his design and voice, but also because some see him as a much better partner for Miss Acacia both due to them having known each other as friends and having probably dated in the past, and he has a bit more life experience than Jack, who has been sheltered his entire life until age 10 and being forced to leave his home to avoid being arrested for accidentally pecking one of Joe's eyes with his cuckko-clock heart , and having met Miss Acacia only once on his birthday and instantly becoming smitten with her, which can unsurprisingly rub some viewers the wrong way, and not helping is that he can come out as a Designated Hero at best; even Matthias Malzieau, co-director of the film the original author of the novel it is adapted from, admitted that Joe is not really that bad of a guy as he is only motivated by his love for Miss Acacia, and that if the story were told from his point of view, Jack would be the bad guy.
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