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When a franchise expands into a Long Runner, themes, ideas, and interpretations will inevitably start being lifted from the fanbase. And when a fictional franchise has lasted long enough to induct its fandom into the ranks of its professional creators, the same devotion that produces Fanfic will inevitably emerge in the "Canon" material. Basically, the "inmates" take over the asylum. Sometimes this leads to good things and produces some damned good stories, but other times, the same kinds of motivations and factors that lead to the creation of bad fanfic come into play, to the detriment of the series in general. Sometimes some editors are on hand to curb the worst of it, but other times, things just go Off the Rails. Note that Tropes Are Tools still applies here, even though it's trivia. While fans are often capable of completely misunderstanding a work or corrupting it for their own purposes, they can also breathe new life into the work in question. See also Ascended Fanon, Ascended Fanfic, Promoted Fanboy, Pandering to the Base. Not to be confused with Dr. Psych Patient, in which a psych patient pretends to be a psychiatrist. Or with The Asylum, a film studio specializing in Mockbusters. Or with the series Takin' Over the Asylum. Examples |
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Kevin Nash had a stint as head booker in WCW towards the end of its existence, and many saw it as a vehicle that he used to get himself over and knock down a few undercarders along the way. However, this is more of an exception rather than a rule; wrestlers have served as head bookers in the past and don't often make the product about themselves. Dusty Rhodes is a key example, as his booking is generally regarded as worthwhile even if he was also in the product itself at the same time. | |
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The writer of The Amazing Spider-Man, Dan Slott, has been a rather contentious example of this. Being a self-professed Spider-Man fanboy, his run post-BND brought critical acclaim to the series, shooting the franchise up the sales charts and mirroring the success of JMS's previous run. With that said, Slott also developed quite the reputation with his detractors, arguing with his critics on message boards and even going as far as making jabs in the comic itself. | |
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Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics)'s head writer from 2006 until the series' cancelation in 2017 was Ian "The Potto" Flynn, a somewhat well known fan of the series, who was even writing his own Sonic fan comic ("Other M") prior to being picked up by Archie. Flynn's tenure is generally viewed fondly in hindsight, being seen as having lifted the comic out of the Audience-Alienating Era and Kudzu Plot it had been languishing in for years at the time, and restored it to respectability; of course, this being the Sonic fandom, this view is not universal. Some complaints include ignorance of canon and derailing several characters, some of which were to preserve certain relationships (namely Sonic and Sally's). Some things he's gotten a more positive response for, however, have been his killing off very unpopular characters, introducing several fan favorite characters, rewriting bad stories, cleaning up unresolved plot points, and offering other related fanservice to the fanbase. One of his most notable contributions has been citing a lot of Sonic Internet memes and other memorable lines from various Sonic media. It helps that his writing and understanding of the characters and source material has improved a lot since he started out with the gig, and the post-Worlds Collide timeline reset cleaning up much of the messy comics-only material and moving the comics closer in line with the games, due to the legal mess surrounding Ken Penders. | |
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The famous The Night Gwen Stacy Died is often accused of being a vehicle for Gerry Conway to kill Gwen so that Peter could hook up with Conway's preferred girlfriend, Mary Jane Watson. In reality, a graphic novel compilation of the original Clone Saga says the idea of killing Gwen Stacy was already bandied about when he became the writer, and he was simply the guy who executed it. He admits that he thought Mary Jane was a better love interest for Peter, but more to the point, felt that the death of beloved Gwen Stacy would be another defining moment for a character defined by tragedy. As he says, "tragedy and pathos are meat and potatoes to a guy like me." | |
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The timeframe is relatively small, but the Death Note movies fell victim to this. In the film universe, the fan favorite L has a much firmer grip on the plot and greater impact on the ending. Then there's the entire original sequel in which L acts out various scenarios which seem to exist solely to fit the format "wouldn't it be awesome if L saved/met/ate/rode around in a _____?" | |
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Played with in MS Paint Adventures. While the crux of the site is that its fans are the ones driving the story beats, it's ultimately Hussie that decides where these plots go. After he closed the suggestion box partway into Homestuck, fans got their influence in another way through either joining the official staff or having strong enough Fanon to be considered by the fans on the team. Invoked in Homestuck: Beyond Canon, which builds off of The Homestuck Epilogues' themes of what can be considered canon to a narrative. In a complete inverse to the site's beginnings, fans of the series make up almost the entire staff of the comic, with Hussie being the one handing out the plot beat suggestions. | |
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The show has suffered from this, with new generations of writers who were brought up on and inspired by the more surreal and extreme aspects of the show's humor focusing on that to the detriment of the characters. It seems a lot of the writers had different views of the characters, leading to skews in personality per episode. It's fairly easy to trace when the show started to be truly run by people who were big fans when they were younger. Once they did, you began to see things like Homer having all the skin completely ripped off his torso, leaving his bones and organs visible, and shrugging it off and going about his business. Things like this made no sense for an episode of the show from early on... but it's exactly like something that would happen in a Treehouse of Horror episode, which have always been the most popular and often most rerun episodes of the show. So when fans took over, of course they wanted to write episodes in the style of their favorites all the time instead of waiting for once a year. This might also explain the increasing frequency of Three Shorts Whole-Plot Reference episodes. | |
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Season 4 of Star Trek: Enterprise merits special mention here. The producers of every modern Trek show (and some actors, most notably Tim Russ and Jolene Blalock) have been fans, but S4 showrunner Manny Coto was a fanboy, and the season he created was the sort of Continuity Porn you either love or hate. In fact, Enterprise in general deliberately harks back to The Original Series (both in time frame and in the less than ensemble cast), alienating fans who started watching during The Next Generation. | |
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The unusually violent and over-dramatic "Home Schooling" arc of Runaways, in which Old Lace appears to die, Klara Prast is transformed from a relatively inoffensive kid member into an annoying brat with uncontrolled powers that threaten to destroy the team, and Gertrude Yorkes suddenly reappears out of nowhere, starts to make sense in some sick way when you read series editor Nick Lowe's comments announcing the run, where he promotes the arc as being the best one since the one where Gertrude Yorkes died. One might surmise that Lowe was one of those fans who subscribed to the theory that Klara was a Replacement Scrappy for Gert. Unfortunately for all Runaways fans, Marvel apparently realized that the inmates had taken over the asylum and decided to shut it down more or less permanently in 2009. Rainbow Rowell appears to be continuing the trend as of the 2017 run of the book: Gert is back, and Klara was Put on a Bus. | |
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The Simpsons: The show has suffered from this, with new generations of writers who were brought up on and inspired by the more surreal and extreme aspects of the show's humor focusing on that to the detriment of the characters. It seems a lot of the writers had different views of the characters, leading to skews in personality per episode. It's fairly easy to trace when the show started to be truly run by people who were big fans when they were younger. Once they did, you began to see things like Homer having all the skin completely ripped off his torso, leaving his bones and organs visible, and shrugging it off and going about his business. Things like this made no sense for an episode of the show from early on... but it's exactly like something that would happen in a Treehouse of Horror episode, which have always been the most popular and often most rerun episodes of the show. So when fans took over, of course they wanted to write episodes in the style of their favorites all the time instead of waiting for once a year. This might also explain the increasing frequency of Three Shorts Whole-Plot Reference episodes. The first most notable instance of this happening was the hiring of Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein. The duo were admitted fans of the series before joining the writing staff in Season 4. They stayed on, rising in the ranks and becoming showrunners for Seasons 7 and 8. Their "back to the family" approach saw a number of low-key, realistic episodes, and they were insistent on staying consistent with the characters (e.g. not making Homer completely stupid or a food monster). |
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Restoring Barbara Gordon to being Batgirl and reverting her to her Pre-Crisis backstory (Commissioner Gordon's biological daughter, rather than his adopted niece). | |
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Dark Sun and Spelljammer were taken by their respective online fan communities, expanded and d20-adapted. | |
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This is true of The Beano and The Dandy, with many of those working on the comic having read the comic as children. Seeing as the comic started in the 1930s, this was true even in the early days, with one of the co-creators of Dennis the Menace (UK) having even read The Beano as a child. | |
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Reviving The Flash Barry Allen in Final Crisis. | |
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Jeff MacNelly originally drew and wrote Pluggers himself, but after readers began submitting gags, he changed the strip so that all of the gags were submitted by readers. The trend continued when MacNelly handed the strip over to Gary Brookins in 1997. (After MacNelly died in 2000, Brookins and Chris Cassatt took over on his other strip, Shoe.) | |
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My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW): Both Andy Price and Katie Cook had plenty of G4 fanart on their DeviantArt pages before the series was announced, and Katie has said she was a fan of the original G1 series. This leads to such things as Derpy being featured prominently and being fond of muffins, “flank� being used as a synonym for “butt,� etc. Amy Mebberson, Heather Nuhfer, and Heather Breckel were also all big fans before working on the comic. Pretty much everyone involved is a brony/pegasister! | |
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Deliberately invoked by Tycho of Penny Arcade with Legends Of The Hierarchs and Song of the Sorcelator. Tycho invited readers to flesh their wikis out with snippets of hilariously abominable prose. | |
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You could write a dissertation on Supernatural and its complicated relationship with its own fans. Eric Kripke openly admitted to being influenced by reaction on fan forums, especially in terms of how Yaoi Fangirl types reacted to female love interests. The writers and directors of the show were well-aware of the slash-shipping that went on in certain quarters of the fandom and often played into it while denying it and mocking it in Take That! meta-episodes toward their fandom. A debate about queerbaiting, misogyny, and what was and wasn't intentional still rages in the fandom. Whatever the case may be, there's little doubt that the writers and producers never expected the show to run as long as it did or for society to change enough for them to be under legitimate pressure to pay off some of the queerbaiting. They tried in Season 15 to make Dean/Castiel half canon but the reaction was decidedly mixed. | |
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Power Rangers has fans, too. The tenth anniversary season, Power Rangers Wild Force, promoted long-time fan Amit Bhaumik to head writer status. Reactions are split: the season itself is considered abysmal, but that has just as much to do with Disney's buyout of the franchise and the cast and showrunner Jonathan Tzachor as the writing staff or anything else. On the other hand, there are the two (completely original) team-up specials. The traditional previous/current season cross is considered one of the best the franchise has to offer, as not only does it bring back a very popular cast, it also provides closure for the season's villains, manages to integrate the two teams almost seamlessly, and even provides some Ship Tease: not only can Jen and Wes have a happier ending than previously thought, but so can TF's Eric and WF's Taylor. Meanwhile, the tenth anniversary special, despite being a banned topic on many message boards and ripping open plot hole upon plot hole, is still plenty entertaining, between the various continuity nods and well-choreographed fight scenes. Notably, it also features a reference to a fan hoax known as "Scorpion Rain," which Bhaumik helped perpetuate; he noted that he wrote "Forever Red" as if "Scorpion Rain" was in continuity. See the fanon page for details. Tzachor is also an example of this, because he's a fan of...Super Sentai, which led to him making the seasons he directed cleave as closely to their source material as possible. This attitude of course clashes with directors who want to write original stories that respect Super Sentai without slavishly imitating it; the disagreement over these attitudes led to previous head writer Judd Lynn quitting at the end of Power Rangers Time Force. | |
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Nextwave is massively popular with Marvel writers and staff... not so much with the editors, though, as Joe Quesada declared it non-canon and enforced this by preventing writers from referring to it in other mags. References still crept through due to small Writer Revolts on occasion. Then the biggest Writer Revolt of them all came in Captain America and the Mighty Avengers. In issues #6-7, the Beyond Corporation returns, and Spectrum goes off on a rant about how people made light of everything that occured in the miniseries and acted like it never happened. The story is titled "Not in continuity", and in one of those recap captions telling you what back issues you need to hunt down to get the reference, editor Wil Moss wrote "See Nextwave #1-12. You owe it to yourself- so good!", so it was absolutely an inside job. Not that we're complaining, definitely! | |
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The developers of XCOM: Enemy Unknown were big fans of the original X-COM and really wanted to do justice to the franchise. Strangely this was enforced too, allegedly any new comer to the team had to complete the original game before they could start work, leaving fans wondering how the game ever managed to be made. | |
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Several episodes of the 6th season of Xena: Warrior Princess were written by a (critically acclaimed) fanfic writer who was approached by the creators of the show and asked to write a bunch of episodes. | |
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This later happened to Uhura, whose first name was never given in canon until the 2009 movie revisited her character. "Nyota" was chosen out of several competing names from the Expanded Universe. "Nyota" being the preference of Nichelle Nichols pretty much sealed the deal. | |
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Ultimate Marvel: When Jonathan Hickman was hired to write The Ultimates, he said this: "I was pretty excited. When I first started at Marvel, one of the gigs I had looked at as a king of homerun job was the Ultimates. I loved how Brian and Mark had started things off - how real and large the world felt - and I always thought there was a logical next step to be taken. So here we are, one small step..." In his new X-Men run, he also shares the common fan sentiment with X-Men in the '10s were a massive Audience-Alienating Era for the X-Men as a brand, and set out to whip the property in shape and make them A-list again in time for their MCU reboots. This does explain why very little of the elements introduced post-2008 actually sticks, the few that do being treated as Broad Strokes that he cherry-picks and reinvents himself (such as making Betsy into Captain Britain and Kwannon into Psylocke following Betsy's return to her old body). In general, his run and the accompanying relaunch acts as though it were a sequel building off New X-Men by Grant Morrison and Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon, than anything even remotely continuing the '10s status quo. Note that Tropes Are Not Bad is in full effect here, because many fans agree with this, that trying to build off the '10s status quo only made for an even bigger dork age, and Hickman was wise to just ignore it. | |
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Star Wars: The Clone Wars got a whole board of writers that were fans, and made it clear from all the references and overly long mythology gags they pack in the show. The most prominent example would be Dave Filoni's favourite character, Plo Koon, who is often mentioned on the SW websites and DVD extras. Other than the overuse of "I've got a bad feeling about this", there is no real difference now that the inmates have control except that Anakin is likable and Jar Jar doesn't automatically inspire homicidal rage. | |
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The Slender Man Mythos started smack dab under this trope. It helps that the Mythos has no real Word of God to hinge on except as it pertains to individual works, meaning followers are free to ignore and disregard works they think are doing a crummy job of it. | |
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The producers and writers of DuckTales (2017) are not only fans of the original 1987 series, but also diehard lovers of the Disney Ducks Comic Universe which inspired it. As the series went on, their love for other series that aired on The Disney Afternoon was made blatantly clear as well, with references and character appearances galore. | |
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Towards the end G4’s run several writers hired onto the show were fans and their episodes built upon and reinforced aspects of characters that were popular in the fandom. The franchise’s fifth generation hired several prominent fandom figures as writers and character designers. Fans have spent hours combing footage of the new movie for references and shout outs to the previous generation. | |
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ECW, from Paul "Drinking the Kool-Aid" Heyman to Promoted Fanboy "Loose Cannon of Commentary" Joey Styles. (Although Heyman is generally regarded as a good booker... just a terrible businessman, and Styles is considered a fine commentator, if one with a reputation of not wanting to play ball with the WWE (however justifiably)). This is also true of the older GLOW and contemporary Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which were similarly ran by fan photographers roped into the business. | |
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Exalted does this religiously; multiple current writers for the line got their start creating fan works on the official forums. In a case of Tropes Are Not Bad, the main block of them (the Ink Monkeys) are often liked more than the original, professional authors. (Though not universally, of course - fanbases always split.) For the culmination of the trope, they composed the team that patched up balance issues of the Second Edition (known as "Exalted 2.5") and were involved in writing the entirety of Third Edition. | |
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Brad Meltzer: Vixen, Red Tornado, Dr. Light. | |
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The whole Stargate franchise, sort of. Some of the people working on it apparently hung out on fan forums and possibly got a lot of ideas there. There are even episodes with alternate universes or time lines in order to throw in some popular relationships or events that don't fit into the normal storyline (most of the characters in SG-1 are in the Air Force and so can't have romantic relationships). Fans pointing out mistakes also caused things to get changed, such as the steps of the gate room in Atlantis, which displayed Ancient writing with some lines out of order and upside down. It turns out they had already been fixed, but were "fixed" again in response to forum threads and ended up having to be rearranged some more. Who knows if they ever got it right. But after the fans started figuring out how to read the alien text, the art people started hiding messages. This may be more like Pandering to the Base, except that they were in direct contact with the fan community. | |
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Parodied in Ultra Fast Pony, when a "writer strike" leads to the show having to resort to hiring a fan who said they would work for free, if they were allowed to be in an episode. Cue every negative Fan Fiction stereotype ever. | |
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Pathfinder is essentially 3.5e as written by the former publishers of Dragon magazine, and has a great number of popular house rules already baked-in. | |
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Dungeons & Dragons has several reasons for this even aside from house rules tradition meeting Internet communities. "3rd party" supplements having little to do with established canon on any issue are okay, and in the D&D3 era even inevitable (due to the OGL). Development for settings dropped while switching to new editions was taken over by fan communities, as some sort of Abandonware. The new generation of designers ran free, even through WotC/Hasbro sourcebooks that are supposed to be Canon. A good thing for uncharted areas, but all too often it isn't expansion, but walking over established parts so obliviously you almost hear "Squee!" from the page. Things could have gone smoother if this didn't coincide with the time when focus shifted from modelling specific settings to expanding universal rules. Fan enthusiasm knows no limits. Much of the Arthaus product line for the Ravenloft D&D setting was authored by former members of the Kargatane, a team of fans responsible for the Ravenloft fandom's first major website, netbooks, and fanzine. Dark Sun and Spelljammer were taken by their respective online fan communities, expanded and d20-adapted. Kobolds' draconic upgrade. Uncalled for, since they already had their cozy little niche and in hands of a good GM were viable or even dangerous. The great shoehorning epidemy. Symptoms: a new feature is accompanied by instructions how to stick it everywhere, whether the target has a place for it or not. During the outbreak, it was a safe bet that a new "Pearl Diver" class would contain the ways to use it in every existing setting... even desert ones. A variety of stuff, sometimes weird, is brought in by fans of other works whether it makes sense — as in, "we need some huge space monsters in Spelljammer, let's add a giant turtle with a wink to Gamera" — or not — as in... Magic of Incarnum? Fans noticed◊ exactly what it was about. When the new generation of developers sometimes can't even make up a good name, we have books named after artifacts from earlier editions, or something like this Dragon: Sin Eaters of Eilistraee (from one of Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations authors). Nope, not an April issue. Pathfinder is essentially 3.5e as written by the former publishers of Dragon magazine, and has a great number of popular house rules already baked-in. 5th Edition is a return to form in many ways, making this something of a Cyclic Trope. |
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This goes all the way back to Doom — the Final Doom mission pack, released by Id Software themselves, was two episodes of 32 levels each created by fans (the first by Team TNT and the latter by the Casali brothers who also made levels for the former). The former intersects with Ascended Fanfic, as it was planned to be released as a free megawad until Id Software struck a deal with the team. There's also the Master Levels Expansion Pack for Doom II, which consists of 20 levels (plus a secret one) designed by players under contract with Id Software. | |
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There are quite a few LEGO set designers, PR workers and other staff who started out as prolific members of LEGO's large Periphery Demographic. General consensus is that modern set design is for the most part much better for it, and it certainly contributes nicely to LEGO's extensive efforts to keep involved with the fandom and its events. | |
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Artist example: ask Leinil Francis Yu to draw a scene with multiple superheroes, or large battle with them. The odds of finding his favorite character, Howard the Duck, in it, even if he wasn't mentioned on the character list, are equal to or greater than 100%. | |
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Sonic Mania is basically an official Sonic the Hedgehog fan game, made entirely by people well-known in the Sonic fan-gaming scene (Taxman, Stealth, etc.) who have studied the mechanics and level design of Sonic games for over a decade, along with an artist already known for Sonic fan comics and his work on the official Sonic comics (Tyson Hesse) and a popular remix musician known for Sonic remixes (Tee Lopes). The end result was basically praised as the best game the series has had in years by most of the fandom and critics, further contrasted by Sonic Team's own questionable output over the years, which isn't helped by the arguable significant drop in quality with the release of Sonic Forces soon after. Though even then, its critics argued that it was a symptom of another group of "inmates" at the wheel: namely, fans of the Classic games. Classic Sonic's appearance in many of the Modern games of the 2010s, and arguably the high quality and effort put into Mania, is thought of as fans of the older games wanting Sonic to return to how he "used to be." | |
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The Resident Evil Film Series have canon characters that appear ending up playing second fiddle to the film's protagonist, played by the writer-director's girlfriend/wife. A blink-and-miss newspaper clip of an "Officer Kennedy" being shot and killed, in any other series, would be a joke, but it just ends up infuriating when it's clear it was done from keeping any canon character from stealing the Creator's Pet's spotlight. Since the series is up to its sixth entry, it's confirmed that the only canon R.E. character to get any real dignity next to Alice is Albert Wesker, the Big Bad of the series. Contemporary entries into the games also affect the movies as well, such as the Plagas and elements from Resident Evil 5 being introduced in a setting that never brought them up. Any canon character who is lucky enough to come back after the film they were introduced in still finds themselves without a point, even the games' most popular character Leon S. Kennedy, who somehow must have survived that fatal shooting... | |
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Hank Pym (Ant-Man) was made into a widower after the death of his wife, and Quesada claimed he's also "more interesting" without her. This backfired though, as the Wasp came back and Pym was stripped of the Ant-Man identity in favor of Scott Lang, who is the Ant-Man that stars in the movie (though Pym is still present as the inventor of Lang's gear). | |
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Batman was fairly gritty and serious during his earliest years of publication, but gradually got more comedic and lighthearted as the decades went on, especially after Seduction Of The Innocent lead to the establishment of the comics code and the Silver Age of Comic Books where virtually everything was sanitized. Suffice to say, there were a lot of Batman fans who didn't like this, who have been trying to move him "back" to being gritty, brooding and gothic ever since. Alan Moore has flat out admitted "The Killing Joke" was a drastic over correction and that Batman was never supposed to be that disturbing. To Moore's disgust "The Killing Joke" was lauded as a landmark Batman story by fans, who proceeded to make Batman and Gotham City even heavier, drearier and more depressing as they became DC Comics writers. | |
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Star Trek: CBS and Pocket Books encourage fan-fic writers to aim for more legit careers with the annual Strange New Worlds short story competition. Season 4 of Star Trek: Enterprise merits special mention here. The producers of every modern Trek show (and some actors, most notably Tim Russ and Jolene Blalock) have been fans, but S4 showrunner Manny Coto was a fanboy, and the season he created was the sort of Continuity Porn you either love or hate. In fact, Enterprise in general deliberately harks back to The Original Series (both in time frame and in the less than ensemble cast), alienating fans who started watching during The Next Generation. In Star Trek: The Next Generation, Ronald D. Moore became a promoted fanboy entirely by chance when his then-girlfriend (who also happened to be a set dresser for the show) gave him a tour of the studio and he had an opportunity to present the producers a fanscript he had written. Not only did the fanscript become an actual episode, "The Bonding," but Moore became one of the largest contributing writers of both The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine and wrote many of the best episodes of both series (often collaborating with other talented writers who had different styles, such as the Mind Screw-loving Brannon Braga and "anti-fanboy" Ira Steven Behr). Moore later created a series of his own: Battlestar Galactica. Needless to say, he seems to be an especially talented Promoted Fanboy. Apparently, J. J. Abrams was chosen to be the creator of the 2009 movie because he was only a casual fan of the series. (While Abrams was admittedly a casual fan, his colleagues and screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are themselves admitted fanboys.) Gene Roddenberry is said to have encouraged Next Generation writers not to catch up on the original series; he didn't want the new show trying to imitate the old. This admittedly pro-Star Wars fan illustrates a theory of how this might have happened to Star Trek canon. And in case anyone still thinks "Asylum" is too strong a word, this article exposes a downright schizoid trend of growing strange stuff out of initially innocuous details. Even Star Trek: The Original Series had some of this. Although Roddenberry initially hired professional science fiction authors to write a lot of the early stories, several fan scripts were accepted and produced in the second and third seasons, among them "The Trouble with Tribbles", "The Empath" and "The Lights of Zetar". "Who Will Guide the Blind" by Judy Burns and "Remote Control" by Jacqueline Lichtenberg are well-known fan scripts which their authors would have submitted for a fourth season if there had been one. |
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Retconning Emerald Twilight with Green Lantern: Rebirth, reviving Hal Jordan and revealing that Sinestro and a cosmic entity were responsible for Hal becoming Parallax. Of course, even the writer of Emerald Twilight admitted this was a good move... | |
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The Gundam franchise is older than many of its present writers, who often grew up surrounded by Gunpla models, and it's started to show. Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn is a standout example - it's so full of Continuity Porn that it hardly counts as a standalone series, and it also provides a platform for its writers to throw the Federation's morals into question and reinterpret a secondary motivation of a villain from another series. | |
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Painkiller: Overdose was originally developed as a fanmade mod to the original game before the publishers of the original game, Dreamcatcher, decided to give the team funding to spin the mod into a full release to score a fast buck. The results show all too well. | |
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Star Trek: Lower Decks was created by Mike McMahan, who previously ran an unofficial Twitter account (@TNG_S8) that posted short summaries of the “unaired� eighth season of Star Trek: The Next Generation. He later turned the same concept into a licensed book before becoming showrunner of Lower Decks, which is in many ways a pastiche of the tropes and styles of Next Generation era Trek. | |
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The official level-set that Chip's Challenge 2 comes with features many levels by fans of the first Chip's Challenge. | |
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Exiern: The original creator and writer Drowemos first sold the comic to fan and author Dan Standing. As one of his first acts in charge, Standing invited fans to submit scripts to become the main writers. | |
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One More Day is a particularly loathed example of Running the Asylum, with editor in chief Joe Quesada being 24 when Spider-Man got married and hating that Spidey got changed from when he was a kid. Apparently everyone else who has read and enjoyed Spider-Man within the past twenty years don't count as real fans, since they want the case to be "Spidey grows old and dies off". That was a direct quote from Quesada. | |
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Even Star Trek: The Original Series had some of this. Although Roddenberry initially hired professional science fiction authors to write a lot of the early stories, several fan scripts were accepted and produced in the second and third seasons, among them "The Trouble with Tribbles", "The Empath" and "The Lights of Zetar". "Who Will Guide the Blind" by Judy Burns and "Remote Control" by Jacqueline Lichtenberg are well-known fan scripts which their authors would have submitted for a fourth season if there had been one. | |
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This happens so often in superhero comics that both The DCU and Marvel have their own sections on the Audience-Alienating Era page. | |
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As Everybody Edits goes on, it seems to become more and more like how players have wanted it to be. Coin gates, blue coin doors, signs, invisible portals, global switches, and NPCs were all common game suggestions before being added to the game. It helps that most of the staff members were once regular players themselves. | |
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This is the entire point of Legend of the Five Rings. Winning (and, sometimes, losing) Tournaments has explicit story consequences that range from choosing a bride for a particular character, to choosing who gets to be the new Emperor. This has varying effects on the story's quality based on whether the tournament winner cares much about narrative consistency, or just wants to annoy the writers. In one infamous case, an entire story arc was derailed by the Honorable Dragon Movement, a group of players who refused to play corrupted decks in an era when the Dragon could basically only win by massive levels of corruption. This ended up turning Hitomi from the Big Bad of the arc into one of the greatest heroes in the Empire's history, in a way many found dissatisfying. As a side bonus, she ended up becoming the Moon. The end of the Clan War was decided when the last two players in a tournament went to the tournament's storyline man and said that they wanted to team up to fight the Shadow instead of fighting each other. He promptly rolled with it. |
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Magic: The Gathering turned this trope into a point of prestige. Fans that are good enough to win the Worldwide Invitational are able to design a card for a future set, some of which turn out to be quite good. Not to mention, many of the people involved in making the game, up to and including Head Designer Mark Rosewater, were players of the game before being hired by Wizards of the Coast. | |
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Much of the Arthaus product line for the Ravenloft D&D setting was authored by former members of the Kargatane, a team of fans responsible for the Ravenloft fandom's first major website, netbooks, and fanzine. | |
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Whit Anderson, the writer for the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Continuity Reboot, is a fan of the Joss Whedon series. He was the same age as Buffy when the show was first running. | |
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Robert Kirkman: Onslaught, Cable, Stryfe. Dragon Ball Z also has a distinct influence on Invincible. | |
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Bringing Superman and Batman's close friendship back in Public Enemies. | |
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Bringing back the Multiverse with Infinite Crisis and 52. | |
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NeverSoft were fans of the Guitar Hero series prior to Harmonix's departure. After Harmonix left, they took over the series and made a lot of questionable changes to the series, including Guitar Hero III's infamous "Guitar Battles", Fake Difficulty, and market oversaturation of Mission Pack Sequels that lead to the eventual death of the series (and plastic instrument video games in general). | |
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Volume 4 Legion of Super-Heroes comics was infamous for this. Many consider Volume 4 to be the worst, with elements like Element Lad's girlfriend becoming a stalker with a sex change (some fans considered him to be gay), Lightning Lad and Team Pet Proty that revived him 25 years before, and the teenage clones that might not have been clones... The next group of writers to take over considered themselves forced to perform the first complete Continuity Reboot of the Legion ever (not even Crisis on Infinite Earths could do that), wiping out all previous history and fan elements. And just to show how much of a Broken Base the fandom is, the people who liked Volume 4 accused that next group of being the ones doing this. | |
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Dark Crisis, which had been painting Supporting Protagonist of Crisis On Infinite Earths, Pariah, as such an insane villain he corrupted The Great Darkness that periodically curbstomps Darkseid into serving him just by noticing it, concluded in February 2023 with the entire original DC Multiverse as it was first solidified in The Flash Of Two Worlds back, no questions asked! That infinitely expanding multiverse established in DC Infinite Frontier that should have made this crisis crossover and character assassination redundant was all lies! Thank one Joshua Williamson. The event did receive critical praise on the front of focusing primarily on lesser used DC Characters and pushing most of the more commonly used heroes and villains aside, however. | |
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My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has a variation on this. Lauren Faust, the main creative force for the show early on, had a habit of playing with MLP figures when she was a kid and making up her own personalities for them (although those personalities were usually at least to a certain degree based on the characters' canonical ones). Said personalities became the basis for the main cast of her show. This wasn't a bad thing, since she took a franchise whose previous animated adaptations were mostly considered toy commercials and made a show that kicked its way out of the Girl-Show Ghetto. Towards the end G4’s run several writers hired onto the show were fans and their episodes built upon and reinforced aspects of characters that were popular in the fandom. The franchise’s fifth generation hired several prominent fandom figures as writers and character designers. Fans have spent hours combing footage of the new movie for references and shout outs to the previous generation. |
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As Doctor Who has been on the air more or less continuously for half a century and has been one of the consistently most popular shows in Britain for that entire time (minus a decade or so), pretty much the only way to avoid having fans running the show is to deliberately select people who hate the show. Or who have spent the last fifty years in a barn. | |
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Tom Hulett and Simon Lai, the producers of Contra 4 for the Nintendo DS, both admit to being bigger fans of the earlier Contra games for the NES and SNES than the Boss Rush-filled later sequels like Hard Corps and Shattered Soldier, making Contra 4 as a homage to those early installments. Hulett in particular also admits to being a fan of the gag localizations of the early titles instead of the more direct and serious localizations of recent titles, which is why the manual of Contra 4 is written in such a tongue-in-cheek tone similar to Konami's manuals during the NES era and which is why the two new main characters accompanying Bill and Lance are named Mad Dog and Scorpion, which were the nicknames given to Bill and Lance in the early American versions. However, they also retconned the events of Operation C from being a previous mission of Bill Rizer to being a previous of the "new characters" Mad Dog and Scorpion. | |
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In Daredevil's case, it seems like all the best writers that get their hands on him (including Ann Nocenti, Kevin Smith, Brian Michael Bendis and Ed Brubaker) are fans of Frank Miller's run and, just like him, are trying to make Matt's life as miserable as possible. Daredevil is supposed to be a dark and brooding character, so fans don't mind. Tellingly it became divisive when Mark Waid wrote stories whose endings didn't drive him to drink from despair, though Waid still has a good number of fans for the run. | |
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Another example on the questionable side is Transformers: Deviations, which has all the hallmarks of an early internet Fix Fic for the movie. Optimus Prime lives, Hot Rod spends most of the story being picked on, and all the characters that would become mainstays of season 3 get killed off over the course of the comic. | |
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The Soul Series had been run by creator Hiroaki Yatoriyama from the beginning all the way until Soulcalibur IV. Then he stepped down as leader, and in his place were director Daishi Odashima and producer Hisaharu Tago. These two were the ones responsible for Soulcalibur V. Many noted the changes they made, due to having a 17 year Time Skip. This meant replacing many of the veterans with blatantly anime-inspired characters, and a story that focused entirely on Patroklos Alexander, son of series veteran Sophitia, on his quest to save his sister Pyrrha. It's been pointed out that the whole story and characters feel very much like personal fan fiction being made into reality, instead of an actual sequel to Soulcalibur. Even from a gameplay perspective, SCV borrowed many of its gameplay mechanics from Street Fighter (and Odashima wasn't shy to admit being a fan of Third Strike). Both of those men left, placing the series under the leadership of Masaki Hoshino. From his tenure came two poorly received Free-to-Play games, Lost Swords and Unbreakable Soul, which were ultimately terminated from service. Many have pointed out that Hoshino's marketing was based on sex appeal, something that was downplayed when Odashima was in charge, earning comparisons to Dead or Alive. It wouldn't be until Soulcalibur VI, helmed by Tekken 7 producer Motohiro Okubo, that this sentiment would reverse itself, brought in part by the game (essentially) being a Continuity Reboot that rewinds back to the era of the original Soulcalibur and brought back many of the previously jettisoned series staples. | |
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Ben 10: Omniverse makes use of this, as there are many scripts identical to previous episodes of other iterations, blatantly ignoring some of the most oft-criticized aspects of the previous sequels (or in some cases, ones that break the base), and bringing Ben uncomfortably close to his first series incarnation while ignoring the Character Development of the previous sequels. The character designs are also much closer to the first series. This was in part due to Executive Meddling, as the new showrunners were ordered to make the show Lighter and Softer to attract younger audiences, which they took as an excuse to retool the show to be more like the classic series. | |
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Superman Returns: Bryan Singer, who at that point had turned the extremely convoluted, Space Opera-esque X-Men universe into two down-to-earth, accessible, and critically acclaimed hits (X-Men and X2: X-Men United), was hired on the assumption that he'd do the same with Superman. The important difference was that Singer was initially not an X-Men fan at all, and thus understood what other non-fans (i.e. millions of movie-goers) would find compelling about the source material and made the movies around that stuff. Superman: The Movie, on the other hand, was one of his favorite films, and thus the franchise-making blockbuster he was entrusted to deliver wound up as some sort of vague sequel to films that came out 30 years earlier, packed with dozens of quotes and forced homages to said films in lieu of new material, and a bizarre plot featuring Superman as the absentee father of a maybe-half-Kryptonian child which Lois might not remember conceiving depending on whether or not he erased her memory of their affair from either version of Superman II, prior to the events this film, which they don't explain. It did not go over well, and a reboot began just seven years after Returns came out. | |
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The Dungeons & Dragons (2000) movie by Courtney Solomon. Solomon at the time was a first-time director whose only credentials were being a D&D fanboy and pushing for ten years trying to get a D&D movie made. Strangely the film diverged massively from the source material and it flopped pretty hard; Solomon didn't get another screen credit for five years and has only directed twice since, and also five years was what it took for another D&D movie to be made (a made for cable film at that). | |
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Ed Brubaker has said many times in interviews that the first two comics he bought with his own money were Iron Fist and an issue of Captain America featuring the Evil '50s Cap as a villain; in his later career, he revived Iron Fist in a new solo title and, while writing Captain America's solo title, brought back Evil '50s Cap. Both these runs are widely acclaimed, so this is one of the good examples. He also has said that one of the few issues he still has from his youth is one of Steranko's, when Cap "died" for the first time. Not only has he based his entire 50+ issue run on the three Steranko issues, he also "killed" off Cap—to much critical and fan acclaim. | |
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Cantr II: The creator has largely left the game, leaving it to some staff to manage things. Over time, this has resulted in what has been referred to as the Internet Illness. Basically, any normal person gets a chance to live out their powertrip fantasies, and go for broke. Hilarity Ensues. | |
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The creators of GURPS invoke this: The majority of published source books are written by fans, but revised and published by the creators. | |
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When Nicholas Meyer heard that Sulu's first name in the books was given as "Hikaru," he liked it so much he had Sulu use it in his Captain's Log for the USS Excelsior in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, thus cementing it as part of the Star Trek Universe. | |
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Quesada seems to have some major issues with wives, but not with moms; this is why the Invisible Woman and Jessica Jones are spared. At one point (the Spider-Girl continuity's version of Mary Jane used to be on the same boat until Peter was killed off in Spider-Verse, leaving her a widow), however Peter was later brought back to life at the close of the Spider-Geddon event. | |
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The producer of Tales of the Abyss mentioned in a developer interview for the 3DS version that the Tales teams now include fans who had played the early games, and that though their enthusiasm was good, their plot ideas often have to be gently vetoed. | |
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ElfQuest became almost entirely run by fans after the first few storylines, and the original creators (Wendy and Richard Pini) never seemed to particularly care about the quality of the new art or writing - but still declared all of it canon. Some of the fan-made comics are seriously great. Most of them are not. Examples: Kahvi is Two-Spear's daughter, and magically got amnesia after she fell into a magic pool, and all of the Go-Backs are "cleansed" Wolfriders who apparently forgot to tell Kahvi or their own children or anyone at all about their heritage. Kahvi learns about this from Egg, who was rescued by Two-Edge, and Egg gets a snake for a bracelet. Also, Kahvi desires Cutter to an unhealthy level, so she tries to kidnap him and almost succeeds because all of the elves are suddenly on the wrong continent for no apparent reason. And Tyldak does slapstick. When he was a kid, Cutter was a slave for the trolls for a full year, and yet he doesn't know what the caverns he lived in looked like. The reason? They made him wear a blindfold. When he was a kid, Skywise met Timmain... and then he forgot about it again. There's this really tall white-haired elf in the future named Jinx who has a lot of sex with humans and talks to reptilian aliens and can teleport. |
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A particularly divisive example of this is Crisis on Infinite Earths itself. Some years after everything went down, it came to light that Marv Wolfman, the man who'd come up with the idea (which the DC execs then signed off on), had been fomenting the essential idea behind Crisis for a long time... that is to say, ever since he was ten years old. This has sparked all kinds of accusations, most of them concerning the idea that the entire DC Universe was allowed to be the plaything of one man's childhood fantasies. This revelation (and the incredible bad blood it sparked between Wolfman and Thomas, whose own "playground" was removed from existence and relevance utterly) is what essentially sparked the "my continuity is best" attitude at DC, which is still felt to this day. | |
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Transformers has a lot of this, with many current writers and artists for the shows and comics being long-time fans. It's frequently cited as an example of this trope done right, as many feel that the franchise has been steadily increasing in quality. Transformers: Animated is what happens when these fans have a whole shiny new continuity-sandbox to play around in. The result is loads and loads of Mythology Gags, the Rule of Cool reigning supreme, a kid-companion that doesn't share the same problems as the other human companions, and a very, very happy audience. | |
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In Star Trek: The Next Generation, Ronald D. Moore became a promoted fanboy entirely by chance when his then-girlfriend (who also happened to be a set dresser for the show) gave him a tour of the studio and he had an opportunity to present the producers a fanscript he had written. Not only did the fanscript become an actual episode, "The Bonding," but Moore became one of the largest contributing writers of both The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine and wrote many of the best episodes of both series (often collaborating with other talented writers who had different styles, such as the Mind Screw-loving Brannon Braga and "anti-fanboy" Ira Steven Behr). Moore later created a series of his own: Battlestar Galactica. Needless to say, he seems to be an especially talented Promoted Fanboy. | |
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