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Sibling Seniority Squabble
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Twins often argue, among themselves or with others, about the respect they are due because of age, even though the difference is minuscule. In the most common form, Alice will attempt to give her side leverage by saying that she is oldest, which will cause Bob to roll his eyes and retort "Yeah, by seven minutes," and therefore defuse such an argument. If that fails to defuse it, it can easily spiral into an Argument of Contradictions due to its inherent pettiness. Even if the siblings don't argue over this, establishing the birth order of a set of twins, triplets, and so on also serves the narrative purpose of letting the story assign them the appropriate older/younger sibling tropes. For instance, with triplets, or twins with a third sibling, the eldest might be the responsible (or just bossy) one, the middle one a Deadpan Snarker and/or overshadowed by their siblings, and the youngest the most youthful and exuberant. Examples |
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In Hi and Lois, Ditto overpowers twin sister Dot to take the last cookie. He justifies feeling entitled to the cookie by pointing out, "I'm older. I was born five minutes before you." In the last panel, Dot grumbles, "He probably elbowed me out of the way then too." | |
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Dragon Quest VIII: Twins Cash and Carrie try to use this on each other. The problem is, since they were both adopted, neither knows who the older sibling is. | |
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In Avengers: Age of Ultron, the Maximoff twins have a moment like this. Pietro normally follows Wanda's lead, but when she tells him to focus on helping the people of Sokovia against Ultron rather than protecting her, he complies but jokingly reminds her that he's twelve minutes older (in the original comics, it is traditionally Wanda who is the older twin). | |
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Inverted in The Simpsons, when Selma laments Patty's good fortune in being "two minutes younger" and thus presumably more desirable to men than Selma herself. | |
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In Lyrical Nanoha, the Numbers cyborgs type numbers do not represent their actual birth order; Sette (Type VII), is the youngest of them, while Dieci (Type X) is older than several others. As a result, Quattro (Type IV) is annoyed that Cinque (Type V) being technically older due to being born first, and refers to her as she would a younger sibling. In StrikerS Sound Stage X and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid, Nove is somewhat unwilling to accept that she's Subaru's younger sister after her adoption.The order(spoilers) Ginga(Type 0-First)>Cinque(Type V)>Dieci(Type X)>Subaru(Type 0-Second)>Nove(Type IX)>Wendi(Type XI) | |
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Widget and Sludge in the 2009 Astro Boy film. | |
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In Naruto, Hiashi Hyuga was born seconds before Hizashi. The difference is especially crucial in the Hyuga clan, as Hiashi grew up to become head of the clan, while Hizashi was made into a branch house member and expected to obey Hiashi and give his life to protect him... or so Neji thought, under threat of his cursed seal activating and causing him pain or killing him. | |
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In Tiny Toons Looniversity, Babs and Buster Bunny are depicted as twin siblings rather than the unrelated couple they were in Tiny Toon Adventures. In the series premiere, "Freshman Orien-toon-tion", it is revealed that Buster is the older of the two by one second. | |
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Sweet Valley High: "Elizabeth was 4 minutes older than Jessica, but sometimes it felt more like 4 years..." is mentioned at least once in every book. Elizabeth likes to throw this fact into Jessica's face whenever she thinks Jessica is being irresponsible, but Jessica's not impressed. | |
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Liza and Tate from the Pokémon the Series: Ruby and Sapphire have this dynamic, with Tate suffering a bit of an inferiority complex considering how Liza holds her seniority (and the fact that she continuously pummels him in battles) over him. | |
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According to the Camp Lazlo episode, "Irreconcilable Dungferences", Skip is three seconds older than Chip, while Chip is three seconds smarter than Skip. | |
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Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn: Of the quadruplets, Dawn brags to her brothers about being the oldest by four seconds. | |
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Vash and Knives' screwed-up relationship in Trigun contains shades of this. Since no one was actually watching when they were born and their mother couldn't talk even if she hadn't apparently suffered Death by Childbirth, they don't know who's older. They're also theoretically speaking English, even though they're actually speaking Japanese, and since the normal Japanese words for brother require knowledge of birth order they use the vague and slightly standoffish term 'kyoudai,' or 'sibling' most of the time. Knives appears to have appointed himself older in a lot of their interactions, but when they were kids this role (in the manga) very slightly defaulted to Vash, and he has the responsibility to 'take care of Knives.' Their arguments about whether to kill off the human race etc. all boil down partly to a debate about which twin has more authority over the other. Being psychotic and incapable of self-doubt has given Knives the more forceful personality, but Vash is at bottom tougher. It never actually is settled; even after Vash wins the clash of philosophies and Knives accepts his loss, he takes up a 'watching over you' role while he waits to die that suits an elder brother better. Anime Knives is pretty definitely finagling the elder role from the start, though, although they do still use 'kyoudai.' Vash even seems to have accepted his authority for a couple of years after the Fall, before flipping out that Knives is still on his Kill All Humans kick, shooting him in the leg, and running. This has led to a split understanding in the fanbase. |
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Twins born close to midnight but far enough apart to be on different dates have the additional bragging rights of being born a day earlier even if that was technically minutes earlier, often leading to discussion of this trope from both the media and the parents. A San Diego couples daughter Jaelyn was born on New Year's Eve, in the very last minute of 2015, whilst her twin brother Luis was born in the first few minutes of New Year's Day 2016. In Arizona couple's first son, Sawyer, arrived on New Year's Eve at 23:50, and his twin brother Everett held on until 12:01 on New Year's Day. When asked about this trope their father speculated that Sawyer would probably tease Everett over being older. When the 20th century drew to a close on December 31, 2000/January 1, 2001* not 1999/2000, there was no year 0, several twins were reported to have been born on opposite sides of midnight. It's quite extraordinary indeed to be able to state you and your twin sibling were born in different millennia. And if you think this is weird, try bringing time zone changes into the mix. Because Kiribati is more than 24 hours ahead of Niue and American Samoa, it's possible for the "younger" twin to have a birth date two days before the "older" twin. |
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An episode of Pair of Kings plays with this; Brady claims to be the older twin, prompting Boomer to go to an oracle to find proof. However, this means that whichever twin is proven to be the youngest will lose their title and power as the only reason they were both made king was because their birth order was unknown. | |
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In The Powerpuff Girls, Blossom always takes charges and generally acts older than her sisters, Buttercup has typically the behaviour of the somewhat overlooked middle-child, and Bubbles acts like the baby of the three. In spite of the fact that there is no age-gap between them at all. | |
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Lampshaded in a Space Ghost episode: | |
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The Brothers GarcÃa: Larry and Lorena do this quite a bit since Lorena is one minute older than Larry. | |
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The Suite Life of Zack & Cody: Zack is ten minutes older than Cody and he has no problems making sure his brother remembers that fact. | |
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In Peter Rabbit, Mopsy claims that she's 16 seconds older than Flopsy and Cotton-tail, however, she admits later as she thinks she's dying that she isn't the oldest, that Flopsy actually is, and that Dad had just told her she was the oldest to make her feel better. After she realizes that she's covered in tomato, not blood, she tells Flopsy "You never heard any of that stuff." When this is mentioned again, it's revealed that Cotton-tail is actually the eldest sister! | |
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Batman: The Brave and the Bold "The Malicious Mr. Mind!" Mary Marvel argues that Billy Batson is only older than her in superhero form, otherwise she's older than him by three seconds. (This must have been quite difficult on the late Mrs. Batson.) | |
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In DuckTales (2017), Dewey says that he's only "about three seconds" younger than Huey. Word of God joked that Louie is so lazy that he didn't join them until 48 minutes later. In "The Forbidden Fountain of the Foreverglades!", Dewey grumbles when Scrooge puts Huey in charge due to his seniority; later, after seemingly undergoing a sudden growth spurt that makes him slightly taller than the other two, he tries claiming Huey's "oldest triplet" authority on the "reasoning" that while Huey may have definitely hatched first, his egg could possibly have been laid first. Huey doesn't buy it and the two continue to squabble for most of the episode (meanwhile Louie, who's never been particularly fussed about his position as the youngest, doesn't really care and just stays out of it). Apparently it's more ambiguous with Donald and Della. Donald cracked the egg first, but Della successfully broke out of the egg first while Donald got stuck in the process. |
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Sofia the First: Amber is seven minutes older than her twin brother James. Though this is rarely brought up it does become a plot point in the final season. Enchansia does not have an Heir Club for Men. Amber is revealed to be the rightful heir to the throne. James is shocked, but makes peace with it in the course of the episode. | |
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Hank Venture mentioned that he and Dean were about 4 minutes apart in The Venture Brothers. How true this is is debatable, since they're clones and may well have been activated at exactly the same time. | |
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According to Dragon Tales, Wheezie is the elder of the two-headed dragon Zak and Wheezie, Wheezie having poked her head out of their egg three seconds earlier. | |
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In Arthur, Tommy Tibble is two minutes older than his twin brother, Timmy. This was first brought up in the Season 15 episode, "Whistling in the Wind", and later became the plot point of the Season 18 episode, "Two Minutes". | |
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X-Wing Series: The "promoted two minutes earlier is still seniority" variant was used in Aaron Allston's Wraith Squadron novel. | |
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Property Brothers: Jonathan is four minutes older than Drew, and will occasionally try to use this fact to one-up his brother. | |
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In Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin, Stella is older than Loretta and tends to take on a larger share of authority and responsibility. At the end of the game, while Stella tells her father that it was an older sister's duty to bear the responsibility, he tells her not to overdo her role before passing on. When Stella collapses sobbing, Loretta tells her that she will become stronger so she can take more of the burden and Stella will not have to suffer as much. | |
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CatDog: Cat is only five minutes older than Dog, but acts as though he's several years older than him and says it's because he's the older brother. | |
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Thief of Time: When the Auditors of Reality obtain bodies they begin to argue about who incarnated first because "seniority is seniority". | |
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Zigzagged in Castle Town Dandelion. Played straight with Shu and Kanade in Episodes 6A and 10B, where Shu has to remind Kanade that he's the older twin between them, despite they're just 30 minutes apart. Averted with Misaki and Haruka, as Haruka has no problem calling Misaki his older sister, and also had to correct others that said that Haruka was the older sibling. | |
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Mobile Suit Gundam SEED: When Cagalli tells Athrun she's glad to have Kira for a little brother, he teasingly asks her if he might not be her big brother instead. She grumpily insists that she was born first. Of course, given the circumstances of Kira's gestation, he wasn't technically "born" at all, making things extremely murky no matter which way you view it. | |
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Star Trek: Data and Lore in Star Trek: The Next Generation, androids created with the same physical template, both argue that seniority gives them precedence. (Lore had lied and said Data was the older twin.) A rare non-sibling example found in Star Trek: Voyager: Paris tried to order Torres to do something. Torres refuses on the grounds that they're the same rank, so Paris plays the seniority card. Torres immediately points out that he only has about a week over her. (Paris also points out that he's a bridge officer and she isn't.) |
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In Love & Pies, Joe takes offense to being called "baby brother" by Sam, even if the latter's two minutes older than him. | |
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Inverted in Final Fantasy VI, where Sabin affectionately calls his twin Edgar "big brother", the imprecision of which is Lampshaded by the other characters. Further toyed with in that Sabin, due to his years of training in the wilderness, is way bigger physically than his pampered royal brother. | |
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Larry, Darryl, and Darryl from Newhart spent an episode competing for leadership based on varying accounts of which one was born first. | |
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Journey to Chaos: Forge Enaz insists that he is older than his twin Sister, Annala, despite their mother telling him that neither is older than the other every time it comes up. He still acts like Annala's big brother because of his Big Brother Instinct. | |
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And a rare non-twin example: On Soap, there is an exchange between Jessica and Mary where they're trying to decide which one is the older sister. They definitely remember that they're a year apart, but each one seems to think that they're the younger one. (Remember, they're at a point in their lives where younger is better — both of them are grandmothers by the end of the show's run.) | |
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Seven Little Monsters: One frequently asserts authority (or at least attempts to) by saying she's the oldest. Someone (usually Four) almost always snarks that she's only the oldest by a few seconds. One's typical response is, "And oh what a difference those few seconds make." | |
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In the The Loud House episode, "Ties That Bind", when the twins, Lola and Lana are trying to decide who gets to use the bathroom first, it is revealed that Lana is two minutes older than Lola. | |
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In one episode of Kim Possible, Dr. Director's evil (fraternal) twin is four minutes older, and blames his megomaniacal ambitions on the fact she didn't defer to him as a kid. | |
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Averted in Heinlein's The Rolling Stones (1952), where the twins Castor and Pollux jokingly address one another as "Grandpa" and "Junior". | |
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Dante and Vergil in Devil May Cry. Vergil is the slightly older twin brother... and acts like it. | |
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In The Bible, the twin sons Esau and Jacob start their squabbling in the womb; Esau manages to be born first, with Jacob clutching at his foot. Esau is the firstborn and set to inherit; but depending on whose interpretation you accept,note There is a Jewish-Christian interpretation favouring Jacob, and an Islamic one favouring Esau he either sold his birthright to his brother for a pittance, or else was cheated out of it by a conniving sibling. In an earlier instance, the Bible tells us that a prudent midwife seeing the mother is having twins will take care to tie a red thread to the wrist of the firstborn, to establish his seniority. In Genesis 38, this leads to the strange case of Pharez and Zarah - where Zarah gets a hand out first but Pharez shoves ahead. And an extra-Biblical legend suggests Cain and Abel, the sons of Adam and Eve, were twin brothers; look at the rivalry they had. | |
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Non-twin variation: In La Cenerentola, Rossini's opera adaptation of Cinderella, Clorinda, the elder of the two stepsisters, is prone to asserting "I'm the elder!" when she wants to lord over her sister Tisbe. When she uses this to try to convince the prince to marry her, Tisbe protests "I'm the younger! I'll grow old later!" | |
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Final Fantasy: Inverted in Final Fantasy VI, where Sabin affectionately calls his twin Edgar "big brother", the imprecision of which is Lampshaded by the other characters. Further toyed with in that Sabin, due to his years of training in the wilderness, is way bigger physically than his pampered royal brother. Yuri and Chelink in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates have this argument constantly, with Chelinka insisting that Meeth told her she's a couple of minutes older. |
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In the SuperMarioLogan episode, "Cody's Sister!", Cody is revealed to be twelve seconds older than his twin sister, Katy. | |
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In The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Koume and Kotake have a moment within an argument, compounded by the fact that one of them misrepresents her own age to her own twin. | |
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Variation: A deleted scene from The Boondock Saints includes the main characters trying to get their mother to tell them which of them is older, presumably so they will then be able to use this trope. Eventually, she tells them, "The one with the bigger cock!" | |
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Scooter and his sister Skeeter arguing above, over who gets filmed by a camera the kids are playing with in Muppet Babies (1984). | |
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Illya and Chloe have this dynamic in Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA. As they're both different aspects of the same person, the arguments stem from how each of them defines which of them is older. Chloe is mentally older, but she has only had a separate physical existence for a short time. In practice, Chloe us usually the more mature one, but will allow Illya to act like the elder in order to soothe her pride. | |
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The seniority of rank example occurs in the 1964 film Zulu, between Lieutenant Chard and Lieutenant Bromhead. This might have been the origin for the Voyager example. | |
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3-2-1 Penguins!: Jason notes that Michelle is only 5 minutes older and holds out his hand to indicate "5" only to realize that as a cartoon he only has four digits per hand. | |
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Yuri and Chelink in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates have this argument constantly, with Chelinka insisting that Meeth told her she's a couple of minutes older. | |
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Percy Jackson: Done with Apollo and Artemis. This becomes even more absurd when you realize that, in most versions of the source material, it was Artemis who was born first, and helped her mother deliver Apollo, no less. Classical Mythology is weird. |
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Star Trek Expanded Universe: Averted in the novel Probe, which features Romulan twins Jaina and Dejan. Dejan likes to refer to Jaina as his "Little Sister" despite the fact that she's actually the older twin. Jaina doesn't seem to mind, despite the fact that according to that book, being the older of a set of twins is a very big deal in Romulan culture. In Peter David's Star Trek: TNG novel Vendetta, Picard's old Academy classmate Morgan Korsmo tries to give him orders because he got his captain's pips a few weeks before Picard. |
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In Tales from the Cryptkeeper, Prince Charming is No Hero to His Valet like whoa. Who is his valet? His "younger" brother, who is actually a twin but doesn't get the inheritance or status due to not being the first one to pop out. "Ten seconds! Ten lousy seconds!!" is his catchphrase, usually uttered when his bro does something Jerkass-ish (which is often.) He refuses to call him Prince Charming, as well - the prince's real name is Chuck. | |
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In No More Heroes, we find out that Travis and Henry are twin brothers; however, it is not discussed until the sequel (in an overly long answering machine message) that Henry is supposedly the older twin, something Travis is quick to make a snarky remark on: | |
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Ruby Gloom has Frank and Len. Frank claims to be older, but they're Conjoined Twins. Although, they're not identical, so there may be some truth to what he says. | |
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In Maya & Miguel, the titular characters are fraternal twins, and Miguel is the elder of the two. | |
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A non-twin, non-human example occurs in Limitless Potential. After Roll is rebuilt with a new body, she and X frequently argue over which of the two should be considered the "older" sibling. X defends that, since her current body was recently built and activated, that makes him the older "physically". Roll on the other hand argues that, since she has years more memories and experience from her previous life than X (plus her original body being built first), that makes her the older "emotionally". | |
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The Chronicles of Narnia, The Horse and His Boy. King Loon explains that Prince Cor, rather than his twin brother Prince Corin, is first in line to succession, because he's the elder by 20 minutes. Corin is quite happy about this while Cor is not. | |
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Indirectly invoked in Dragon Age II. Hawke has two younger siblings, the twins Carver and Bethany. Carver is the older twin, making Bethany technically the youngest of the three, and the game fully plays him up as the angsty middle child and Bethany as Daddy's baby girl. | |
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In Mass Effect: Andromeda, if the player opts for the female Player Character, she mentions in the prologue that she never lets her brother forget the fact that he's a minute younger. | |
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A rare non-sibling example found in Star Trek: Voyager: Paris tried to order Torres to do something. Torres refuses on the grounds that they're the same rank, so Paris plays the seniority card. Torres immediately points out that he only has about a week over her. (Paris also points out that he's a bridge officer and she isn't.) | |
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Despite being twins, Unsui of Eyeshield 21 is referred to as the "elder brother" quite often. It's partially because he acts the part, often taking responsibility for his "younger brother's" actions, despite the fact that they're the same age. Agon could be seen as an extreme (and violent) version of the Annoying Younger Sibling trope. | |
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In A Cinderella Story, the ugly stepsisters argue about this...and everything else. (The shorter one, Gabriella, is older by "a minute and 26 seconds," by the way.) | |
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Mabel and Dipper in Gravity Falls. She often remarks that "you'll get it when you're older" due to being older than Dipper by five minutes, according to Word of God. It often drives him nuts, since "Dipper vs. Manliness" proves that he wants to grow up and become a man because he hates being a wimpy 12-year old. In one episode Mabel tries this, and Dipper angrily responds that they're twins. "Girls mature faster," she says smugly, which is especially ironic in their case. Further Word of God (albeit of the off-the-cuff variety: "you just witnessed canon being born") has it that Ford is older than Stan by fifteen minutes and that this accounts for his superiority complex with regard to their relationship. |
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Data and Lore in Star Trek: The Next Generation, androids created with the same physical template, both argue that seniority gives them precedence. (Lore had lied and said Data was the older twin.) | |
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