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Having a Reasonable Authority Figure in charge is brilliant. Be it a good monarch, a superb CEO, a master swordsman with a knack for education in a dojo... whatever the position, it makes the lives of everyone under the title easier. But no one lives forever... But it's OK! If it's a monarchy, the line of succession is safe, or the king has chosen an agreeable replacement beforehand; if not, there are proper democratic (or at least elective) mechanisms in place for selecting a new leader. The old makes way for the new... ...pity that the new sucks. This trope is about when a superb or at least markedly superior leader passes away, retires or occasionally gets killed off, possibly by the guy or gal who gets the top spot, and is replaced by someone who is markedly inferior. Markedly inferior can range from just not being as competent to being akin to the worst excesses of insane leaders throughout history. Reasons for this trope being deployed vary. Sometimes it simply showcases the problem of having an experienced leader suddenly get replaced by someone who hasn't got the hang of things yet; that leader may show Character Development and improve. Sometimes the new leader is fairly competent under normal circumstances, but his father was a genius at war, or intrigue, or even just keeping the wolves from the door, which applies especially to CEOs, and the circumstances are most assuredly NOT optimal. If this is the case, if the new ruler is The Hero, he again will eventually come up to the mark, albeit with a lot of problems and challenges along the way. Unless it's a Downer Ending of course. If he is not the main character, then it will be up to The Hero to guide the new leader or at least ensure he doesn't screw up too badly... or maybe the new king will be the reason for the country/whatever collapsing, the villain winning initially, and the heroes will be La Résistance, stemming from a Prequel or Backstory. Sometimes something in the bloodline will hit the new ruler, leaving him Royally Screwed Up. Sometimes the new leader is just a young child, in which case the regent(s) are the ones who are likely to be incompetent and/or self-serving. And, of course, there's always the chance the new ruler will be a bloodthirsty tyrant or just insane and will prove to be the villain of the piece, or an obstacle for the hero to overcome to defeat the real villain. In the event of the old ruler trying to do something about the successor to ensure this doesn't happen, you have an Inadequate Inheritor. Often overlaps with The Wrongful Heir to the Throne. The inversion is Superior Successor. This trope will probably have several subtropes eventually. Also, we need some examples which aren't just examples of the successor doing something horrible to the old ruler. Death Trope. Will involve unmarked spoilers. Read at your own risk, and the risk of others to whom you will blab about it out of shock who haven't watched/read the story yet. |
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When Salvador Lutteroth began making preparations for his son to takeover his place in EMLL, a mass of key officials and talent preemptively left to form Lucha Libre Internacional and The Universal Wrestling Association. | |
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Played with in Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam in regards to the RX-78-2. Whereas in the original series the RX-78 Gundam was groundbreaking (for example, its beam rifle was equipped with rechargeable E-cap technology that granted it the same firepower as a battleship), the Gundam Mk-II units that AEUG came to steal from the Titans are only slight improvements over the original (despite Zeta taking place 8 years after the original series). Lieutenant Quattro Bageena expresses his disappointment by observing, "I suppose they're just an actual Mark 2." Since the original Gundam had been so important in winning the One Year War, they'd hoped that taking the latest machines to carry the Gundam name would give them a similar advantage. As it is, the Mk-II is rendered obsolete even before the halfway point of the series. Similarly in Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory (chronologically set halfway between the original series and Zeta), the brand-spanking new warship Birmingham is the new flagship of the Earth Federation. It is meant to replace the aging Magellan-class battleships that saw service during the One Year War. It is unceremoniously destroyed during Anavel Gato's attack on the Federation's fleet review, and its numerous flaws (no Mobile Suit hangar capacity at all and a lack of anti-MS AA capability) ensure it is almost completely forgotten while the Magellan continues to see service even up until both Neo Zeon wars. |
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Poor Elias Acorn of Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics). He takes over the throne twice and both times loses it. The first time had Elias unwittingly give Geoffery St. John as an advisor, only to become a Treacherous Advisor as he used his position to punish Sonic and build up his Secret Service. When an Eggman plot ravaged said Secret Service as well as the Sword of Acorns rejecting him, Elias runs away in shame. He comes back again a year later in-series to take back the throne, only to lose it again to Ixis Naugus. | |
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Bleach: In flashback scenes, it's shown that Gosuke Kiganjo, the 10th Kenpachi, was seen as this compared to previous Kenpachis. Shinji in particular greatly disliked him, wondering how someone like him could have ever made it as a captain, and nobody seemed to grieve much at all after Zaraki killed him for a Klingon Promotion. | |
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Since the Crusader Kings series is primarily a dynastic game, you play with a character and later their heir. Often enough, the sucessor is not as good as their predecessor, with worse skills, worse genetic traits, and not the experience and connections of the first ruler. Especially pronounced if a great and old leader with inheritable traits is followed by some unlikely heir to the crown who is lazy, uneducated and stupid. | |
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In Eugenesis Prowl has a choice: Being in charge, which he hates (and isn't very good at), or letting Grimlock take control and run what's left of the Autobots into the ground. Or Springer, though for some reason he can't figure out, Prowl doesn't think this would be a good idea. Follow-up fiction would prove his suspicions about Springer right in all the worst ways. | |
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Like a Dragon: Following the Tojo Clan civil war in Yakuza, Kiryu is made Fourth Chairman but ultimately resigns after ten minutes on the job and turns the Clan over to an ally of his father figure, Yukio Terada. Come Yakuza 2, it's clear that maybe Kiryu should have chosen someone else; Terada's position as a former Captain of the rival Omi Alliance has sown mistrust in the rank and file of the Tojo Clan and his over reliance on yes-men has alienated heavy-hitters like Goro Majima who could easily help put down the strife, culminating in a second destructive gang war when the Omi decide to use the chaos to launch an invasion. And this is before Terada's revealed to actually be working with a Korean mafia he was a member of in his youth, angling to get vengeance on the Tojo for massacring his countrymen in the 80s. Once the dust settles, Kiryu uses what influence he still has to get the more competent (and loyal) Daigo Dojima nominated to be Sixth Chairman. | |
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The late King Hamlet from Hamlet is considered a ruler among rulers. His murderer/successor Claudius—though not without brains and diplomatic acumen—is a roisterer and schemer whose actions not only morally stain himself, but infect the very state with rottenness. | |
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Dr. Mosely, the new school psychologist in Double Homework, succeeding the retiring Mr. Adler. She is incredibly blunt and manipulative for someone in her profession, she puts weird questions about sex to her students, and performs inappropriate “experimental therapies” on them, while she doesn’t bat an eye upon catching teachers having sex with students at school. Justified by her real purpose at the school: she is a rogue scientist in the employ of the government, who is conducting a sex experiment on the students. | |
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This is pointed out as a worry of King Boranel of Breland in Eberron. It's not that his sons are bad people or incompetent, but they just aren't up to Boranel's impressive stature. This normally wouldn't have been all that important (balancing the monarch is one of the reasons Parliament exists, after all) if Boranel didn't have to worry if Breland hadn't gotten excessively dependent on him in the dark decades at the end of the Last War (there is a dark side to being very popular, after all). He has reason to worry, too — even if his sons were as competent and charismatic as he is, several factions have timed their schemes to go off whenever Boranel dies specifically so they don't have to deal with him, meaning that whoever inherits will be immediately thrust into an unstable and dangerous situation. | |
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Horrible Bosses: One of the three main characters actually loves his boss, who is a nice guy who genuinely cares for his employees and makes the work environment pleasant. He dies early on, and the company is inherited by his drug-addict son, who's only interested in squeezing every dime that he can out of the company for his own gain and orders the main character to fire a pregnant coworker because he doesn't like fat people. | |
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Among some parts of the fandom, Rodimus Prime in the Sunbow animated series. He understandably doubts himself due to succeeding Optimus Prime, but because the thing many kids of that era remember of him is his constant moaning about the burdens of leadership, he's had a somewhat poor reputation. Notably, in Transformers: The★Headmasters Rodimus is actually a confident leader following Optimus' Heroic Sacrifice early in the series, which can be attributed to the fact that unlike in the original cartoon Rodimus is given a chance to mature into the role of leader instead of being suddenly dumped into it. As a result, when he has to take up leadership again he's more mentally ready for it. |
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Robin: While the Rahul Lama did try to get his grandson more involved in all aspects of the ancient martial and healing art he was the last true master of and keep him involved in training their students after his death his grandson runs the school into the ground. By the time Tim is in Paris again long enough to revisit their martial arts school it has been replaced with a fast food joint and all of Shen's remaining "students" are thugs. | |
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The Green Knight: King Arthur's successor is his nephew Gawain. Most of the film is about Gawain travelling for a rematch of a duel he had with the Green Knight. Gawain chickens out at the last minute, returns to Camelot, lies about what happened, succeeds Arthur, and goes on to be a weak and unpopular king. This turns out to be an extended Imagine Spot. After realising what the consequences of running away will be, Gawain stands his ground, and the film ends. | |
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In Dragon Age: Origins, Maric Theirin is remembered as a much better King of Ferelden than his son Cailan. Subverted with Alistair if you "harden" his personality and make him King: in that case, he becomes a ruler much better than everyone expected (including him), perhaps on par with his dad and his cameo in Dragon Age: Inquisition shows that he's not afraid to put his foot down when it matters. | |
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In Pathfinder Trelmarixian, the Horseman of Famine, is the second to bear the title and relatively new to it, obsessed with his mortal origins, paranoid that his ascension may have been part of a plan by his predecessor to be reborn and will consume him as he consumed her, and notably erratic. Charon, Horseman of Death and now the only one still original maintains a united front publicly, but is quietly concerned about his behavior. | |
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Happened to two organizations in the lead up to Fallout 4. After Brotherhood of Steel Elder Owyn Lyons died and his daughter Sarah died in battle, the Brotherhood in DC had a spate of ineffective successors. Until Arthur Maxson, descendant of Brotherhood founder Roger Maxson came of age and took over. In Boston, the Minutemen were a well respected force for good under the leadership of Joe Becker. But after he died, the Minutemen had one ineffective General after another, causing the group to fracture, eventually leading to their downfall at Quincy. Thankfully for them, you can become General and bring them back to prominence. When Shaun names you the new Director of the Institute to replace him, most of the other department heads view you as this. Two scientists even hold the entire Bioscience wing hostage to try to force you out. |
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Robotnik in Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM) gets his job by locking the old ruler in another dimension. He then proceeds to turn Mobitropolis into a robotic wasteland where he alone out of all the organic denizens (besides nephew Snively) is free to live a life of luxury in possibly the darkest incarnation of the villain. | |
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Mitsuo Momota to Rikidozan regarding the JWA and Japanese "Puroresu" in general. This wasn't even Rikidozan or Momota's fault, as he probably would have been molded into a better successor had Rikidozan not been assassinated. | |
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Discussed and ultimately subverted in both versions of Sabrina. In both the 1953 and 1995 versions of the film, David Larrabee note played by William Holden in the '50s and Greg Kinnear in 1995 seems to be a spendthrift wastrel with zero business interest or sense who would be a disaster for the Larrabee Corporation if not for the fact that his straitlaced elder brother Linus note played by Humphrey Bogart in the '50s and Harrison Ford in 1995 is in line to succeed to the head of the company. Only Linus wins the Love Triangle and Sabrina's hand and leaves for Paris to be with her. In the 1995 version, as soon as Linus is gone, David takes charge and hands out meticulous and well-thought-out business plans to the assembled board, including his mother, the board chair. As she can only gawp in astonishment at this apparently sudden metamorphosis from Manchild to responsible adult businessman, David replies "Mother, you've copied me on the financial standings of this company for 17 years. You just assumed I couldn't read." | |
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Our Miss Brooks: In the first radio episode, "First Day", Madison High School's Principal Darwell is replaced by Principal Osgood Conklin. Partially averted in that Mr. Conklin is generally competent with a Hidden Heart of Gold. However, he is also pompous, arrogant, bad-tempered and dictatorial. The later radio episode "Borrowing Money to Fly", and the cinematic series finale changed the continuity so as to reflect the fact Mr. Conklin was Madison's longtime principal who had been long ensconced in his position upon Miss Brooks' arrival at Madison. |
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The title character's uncles in Richard II make it clear that they think he is this compared to his grandfather, Edward III, and his father, Edward the Black Prince (who died before he could become king). | |
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The proverbially wise King Solomon in the Books of Kings of The Bible was succeeded by his son Rehoboam. The first item on Rehoboam's agenda was to so piss off 10 of the 12 tribes he was governing that they rebelled against him and split the kingdom of Israel in two permanently. He subsequently allowed the Egyptians to capture Jerusalem and take all Solomon's treasure. Played With, though: God allowed Rehoboam's failures as punishment for Solomon's own actions, since he had built pagan temples for his foreign-born wives. |
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A variant in Girl Genius. It's not that Gilgamesh Wulfenbach is incompetent - he's a highly capable Spark, has been groomed to rule from the day he was born, and his first independent action was to call down Shock and Awe to knock off a major Knights of Jove force. The problem is, he isn't his father, specifically, and doesn't have his fearsome reputation. When Baron Klaus Wulfenbach was taken off the board, Gil was unable to keep the Pax Transylvania from splintering under the weight of all the factions that were out to take over. | |
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A recurring theme in Shakespeare's Henry VI plays is that (according to most of the characters in the play, at least) the pacifist Henry VI is an unworthy successor to his warlike father, Henry V. | |
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Similarly in Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory (chronologically set halfway between the original series and Zeta), the brand-spanking new warship Birmingham is the new flagship of the Earth Federation. It is meant to replace the aging Magellan-class battleships that saw service during the One Year War. It is unceremoniously destroyed during Anavel Gato's attack on the Federation's fleet review, and its numerous flaws (no Mobile Suit hangar capacity at all and a lack of anti-MS AA capability) ensure it is almost completely forgotten while the Magellan continues to see service even up until both Neo Zeon wars. | |
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The Lion King (1994): After killing Mufasa, Scar takes over as king of Pride Rock, and the Pridelands promptly turn into a literal hellhole under his reign, mainly because of his incompetence and laziness. As he wasn't properly raised to be king, Scar doesn't realize that openly threatening others whenever they complain about his reign won't get him around. Because of this, he refuses to accept responsibility and earns a 0% Approval Rating from all animals for his tyranny. | |
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Bug Fables: Queen Elizant II, the ruler of the Ant Kingdom, is considered a very polarizing replacement to her predecessor, Queen Elizant I. The former queen was known to be very kind and gentle, capable of ending wars solely with a good diplomatic approach. Her daughter, on the other hand, was criticized for not being as kind, for breaking relationships with the Termite and Wasp Kingdoms, and for banning entrance to all ladybugs into the Ant Kingdom. Leif even openly admits that she rubs him in the very wrong way, and that he doesn't consider her a worthy ruler. Deep inside, Elizant II is painfully aware of her general unpopularity and is really ashamed of herself not being a good ruler to her people. Once the Wasp King successfully takes away the artifacts required for the search of the Everlasting Sapling, she admits that she is undeserving of her position and even reveals that the sole reason why she wants to find the Sapling is to bring her mother back and give her eternal youth to reinstate her as a queen. However, once she opens her heart to Team Snakemouth, she truly becomes the kind and fair ruler the Ant Kingdom needs and repairs relations with the people she pushed away. | |
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Joffery Baratheon in A Song of Ice and Fire. His father may not have been the greatest king, but at least he wasn't an insane psychopath. The Targaryen family tree are full of these, causing several civil wars, in-house plotting and weak monarchs that left more powers in the hands of the feudal lords. The last one was Aerys II, who sparked a civil war that lost the Targaryens the throne (and most of their lives as well). Perhaps the most notable example was the transition from Viserys II to Aegon IV. Although the former was not on the throne very long, he was a valuable advisor to his brother Aegon III and king in all but name during the reigns of his nephews Daeron I (The Young Dragon, who got 50,000 men killed trying to conquer a desert and died at 16 without heirs) and Baelor (The Blessed, who refused to marry and spent his whole reign praying rather than actually doing anything kingly); and is generally considered to be the third best king to seat the Iron Throne (After his great-great-grandfather Jaehaerys I, who led the realm through the dangerous period of being past the initial founder but not being sufficiently established to truly hold together, and grandson Daeron II, who defused the most dangerous rebellion the realm ever faced and ruled wisely for many years). Viserys' son (And father to the excellent Daeron II in an inverted example) Aegon IV, however, was obese, greedy, fathered dozens of bastards all over the place, and directly caused the rebellion that Daeron had to stop by legitimizing all of them. He might not have been as bad as Aerys II or Joffrey, but going from the third best to the third worst out of the twenty monarchs to sit the throne is the biggest change of any of them. Lord Tywin Lannister regards his son Tyrion this way, regarding him as a drunken lecherous resentful dwarf and refusing to see any of his good points or realize how his own treatment of Tyrion has made Tyrion this way. He refuses to recognize Tyrion as his rightful heir in the hope of getting his other son Jaime into the position instead, despite Jaime not being interested and having his own flaws that Tywin fails to recognize. |
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Hi-Fi RUSH: Kale Vandelay took over Mega-Corp Vandelay Technologies from his mother, and his tenure is marked with the company dumping its philanthropic roots in favor of profit. This leads to mismanagement of the company's departments and regular abuse of the robotic employees. A big portion of the company's funds is dumped into their Propaganda Machine to spin the narrative that Kale is Roxanne's legitimate successor following her vision. In truth, he had brainwashed her into stepping down, then unpersoned his younger sister Peppermint, whom Roxanne had favored in succeeding her, so he could take over the company unopposed. | |
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Princess Natasha: 15 years before the beginning of the cartoon, King Hector died and his son Lubek became the King of Zoravia. Lubek's past actions as the head of Zoravia's Spy Agency and Secret Police made him so hated by the citizens of Zoravia they elected his younger brother Carl as their King. Lubek plots to force the citizens to accept him as their King. | |
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Tolkien's Legendarium: Shows up frequently with his rulers in the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings and in the The Silmarillion Tar-Ancalimë of Númenor refused to continue the policies of her father, Tar-Aldarion, to help the Elves. Pretty much all the Kings of Númenor after Tar-Minastir. They became greedy and envious of the Elves' immortality, oppressed the people of Middle-earth, ''and'' started taking their names in Adûnaic. Points to Ar-Pharazôn who starts out by usurping the throne after his uncle Tar-Palantir dies and then forcibly weds his cousin Miriel the rightful heir. Then he falls under Sauron's sway and starts sacrificing people to Morgoth and winds up declaring war on the Valar themselves to gain immortality. No wonder he was the last king of Númenor. Atanatar II Alcarin "the Glorious" to his father Hyarmendacil I and the "Ship-Kings" of Gondor, neglected the watch on Mordor and did nothing to maintain his inheritance. His sons Narmacil and Calmacil were equally idolent and left Calmacil's son Minalcar to actually rule the kingdom. Fengel of Rohan, proved a dubious successor to his father King Folcwine. He was overfond of food and clashed with his children and Marshals to the point his son Thengel left Rohan for Gondor and didn't come back until Fengel was dead. |
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Tormina becomes the new Queen of the Underrealm after her older sister Lady Death abdicates in favor of her. Unfortunately, Tormina was not experienced in ruling nor was as powerful as her sister and to make matters worse, she was handed the throne in the aftermath of a devastating war that ruined the realm. This ended up pushing her to seek the advice of an ancient demon named Satyricos, who became her Evil Chancellor and under his influence, managed to restore the kingdom, but at cost of persecuting all demonkind in the Underrealm. Tormina ends up becoming nothing more than a Puppet Queen to Satyricos, who used her to get rid of all who would get in his way and ends up discarding her when she finds this out. | |
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Game of Thrones: As flawed as Prince Rhaegar was, Viserys could never have hoped to be half the king he would've been, had he lived to take the throne. Jorah lampshades this to Daenerys in "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things": | |
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The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind: The eponymous province is ruled by King Hlaalu Helseth after his mother, the Queen Mother Barenziah, abdicated following the events of Arena. While Barenziah is generally pretty well-thought-of In-Universe, Helseth is a polarizing figure. To begin with, the Dunmer people see the role as "King of Morrowind" as an Imperial convention they have no need for, as they see their true rulers as the Tribunal Temple and the Great Houses. The more conservative Dunmer in House Redoran and House Indoril feel he is a Quisling, or puppet, for the Empire, and he has a pattern of nepotism favoring his own House Hlaalu. Helseth himself is rumored to be a Master Poisoner who isn't above using the Dark Brotherhood to eliminate perceived threats. ( Including the Nerevarine.) His predecessor as King and that King's chosen heir both died under mysterious circumstances, with Helseth believed to have been involved. He also ends up being the last King of Morrowind, though not due to any political blunders, (Helseth appears to have been rather competent, and well on his way to transforming the role of King of Morrowind into a position with actual power at his last mention) but because of the Red Year; the post-Red Year Dunmer government appears to be an aristocratic republic ruled by a council of the Great Houses (much like the situation prior to the Imperial takeover, although with the theocratic elements toned down). | |
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In Earth's Children, Broud is this to Brun, a Clan leader. Broud's father was a brilliant leader, being stern and cautious, but always fair and just, and constantly putting his people's well-being first. Broud is a pompous and self-absorbed Manchild who makes decisions purely based on how he feels in a given moment, demands respect he's done little to earn and promotes or punishes people based on how he personally feels about them, rather than their actual merits or misdoings. Brun does try to shape his son into a worthy leader, but Broud merely plays along until Brun retires, with Brun realising he's made a huge mistake mere minutes after handing over leadership to Broud. | |
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This trope starts off the action in Harald, with the death of the king who forged the alliance that kept The Empire at bay and his replacement's incompetence. | |
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Warhammer: Phoenix King Caledor the Conqueror of the high elves was a great warrior and strategist who kept the kingdom together through the bloody civil war with Malekith's dark elves, oversaw the construction of the Gateway fortresses that remain a fundamental part of Ulthuan's defenses in the present, reclaimed the Blighted Isle, thus ensuring the dark elves can't draw the Sword of Kaine, and resisted the sword's temptations himself, before finally diving into the sea to drown when his ship was taken by the dark elves. His son Caledor the Warrior was a great warrior and...well that's it. His rule is mostly known for a bloody and pointless war with the dwarfs that he ensured (Dark elves attacked a dwarven caravan disguised as high elves. In an unusual show of reasonableness the dwarfs sent an ambassador to talk about this and Caledor responded by having him shaved and sending him home in disgrace). The war left thousands on both sides dead, completely cut the high elves off from their mainland colonies, ended with Caledor slain in single combat with the Dwarven king, and ruined any hope of cooperation between the races. This was the first and definitely the last time the elves named the son of the previous Phoenix King as his successor. The Conqueror's other son Imladrik the Dragonlord was much more competent than his brother but had no interest in taking the throne, even telling lords plotting to put him there that he would refuse it. This ended up not really working out for him, as he was killed by Prince Morgrim Dragonsbane during the war his brother started. Ironically, his own son was also a Sketchy Successor despite being generally a good person and fairly competent because the position that he was the successor to was that of Master of Dragons and he was unable to get one let him ride it. Another good example can be found in the succession of Sigmarite Emperors. While Ludwig II - "Ludwig the Fat" - was considered capricious and was renowned for his gluttonous appetites, he nevertheless allowed the Halflings of the Moot representation by separating the Moot from the neighbouring provinces of Stirland and Averland and by allowing their Chief Elder (and later the Grand Theogonist of the Cult of Sigmar) onto the Electoral Council, allowing them a voice in deciding the next Emperor. His successor, Boris Goldgather, however, has no redeeming action to his name, having proved to be the worst of the Emperors elected from the Drakwald province and possibly the worst Emperor in general, bankrupting the Empire with his ludicrous expenses, fracturing it by pitting Elector Counts against each other and weakening its armies drastically. Under Boris's reign, the Empire was completely unprepared for the plague and later Skaven invasion. It was considered a silver lining in the Empire when the plague killed him. One Bretonnian noble is noted to be a Horrible Judge of Character (meaning, of course, that he considers himself an excellent judge of character) who keeps naming untrustworthy men to positions of power in his realm, and when one of them is caught and beheaded or hanged, the replacement he chooses is invariably just as bad. |
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The King Nobody Wanted: The Velaryons have had a whole succession of these since the Blackfyre Rebellions, reducing one of the proudest houses of the Seven Kingdoms to a gathering of lickspittles and incompetent time-servers. Haegon Blackfyre II, the fifth Blackfyre pretender, is a Canon Foreigner who isn't mentioned in The World of Ice & Fire because he never launched a Blackfyre Rebellion of his own. He let his uncles run the Golden Company for years, and died in a Curb-Stomp Battle after they died and he finally took over the Golden Company (although, to be fair, the much better-regarded Bittersteel died under outwardly similar circumstances). While he may have never attacked Westeros due to intelligence or morals making him want to avoid perpetuating a Hopeless War, Pycelle seems to think that this was more due to Haegon being lazy and/or talentless. He describes siring potential heirs as "the one thing Haegon showed any aptitude at." Haegon's eldest son Haegon III also experienced some of this when his father died in battle and he tried to rally the Golden Company in a charge to recover his father’s sword. Haegon III was only eleven, lacked the seasoning to carry off such a charge, and quickly joined his father in death. Haegon III's successor, his younger brother Aegor, was only seven and was unable to do anything of note besides dying of fever a few months later. |
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Two Letters plays with this: when Marinette decides to retire, she intentionally selects the new Ladybug to be 'the hero Paris deserves'. Unfortunately for Paris, Marinette is deeply resentful after spending over two years being taken for granted, feeling that people assumed that she'd always be around to fix everything for them since she was always The Reliable One. As a result, the new Ladybug does her job well enough to be widely admired, but is also a Manipulative Bitch milking her new position for all it's worth. The final chapter reveals that, while Marinette post-Laser-Guided Amnesia dismisses the possibility of having given the Ladybug Miraculous to Lila Rossi because she is an incredibly petty and conniving woman who probably would have destroyed the world with it (and surprise, surprise, they are still here, so it's not Lila), she really did give the Miraculous to Lila and helped set up a Monster Protection Racket with Felix to keep the suffering going for a very long time. Her rage really knows no bounds. | |
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Discussed in Safehold when Cayleb and Sharleyan's chief advisor worries that while they are beloved by all, their child might end up being this trope. He notes that in history, most successors to exceptional rulers ended up this way, mostly due to Always Someone Better, the "better" being the parent they keep on being compared to. Fortunately, their daughter Alahnah seems to have turned out all right. | |
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Nick Fury was fired from SHIELD after starting a secret war with Doctor Doom. During Marvel's Secret Invasion event, he groomed Daisy Johnson, a SHIELD agent loyal to him, to take his place and build a new SHIELD, since the previous one was infiltrated by Hydra. While she was very good at her job, her first time breaking the rules, she is caught and immediately replaced by Maria Hill. Nick was able to keep secret agendas and plans secret for years. Similarly, Maria Hill, when replacing Nick Fury was this. She always worked within the system, which meant she could never do quite as good a job as Nick. The world went to crap on her watch. She got better over time, but still is very much inferior to Nick. She's ultimately thrown out of SHIELD after the Pleasant Hill incident. |
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Le Morte D Arthur by Thomas Mallory had as King Arthur's successor a relative nobody named Constantine, the son of one of the lesser knights, no less. Given that, whether historical or legendary, Arthur's Britain was quickly supplanted by the Saxons he opposed, his successor may have had no footprint at all. | |
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Ben Safford Mysteries : In Murder: Sunny Side Up, Congressman Carl Gunderson is a renowned chemistry teacher elected through a grassroots movement who has a history of investigating chemical products. His murder places his committee under the chairmanship of series protagonist Ben Safford, who is elevated to that role due to seniority and knows little about chemistry beyond what has been discussed in the hearings. Some people speculate Gunderson was murdered specifically because Ben is far less likely to spot anything fishy about the ova-cote preservative. That theory is correct, although Ben eventually pieces together the expert witnesses' testimony and figures out the preservative's flaw. | |
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In The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, John Walker is seen as this compared to Steve Rogers by both Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes. | |
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X, the main hero of the Mega Man X series, was a robot with 100% free will. His creator, Dr. Light, sealed him up in a capsule and ran a 30 year long test to ensure he would always do the right thing. When Mega Man Zero rolled around, his successor Copy X was left in charge when the real X goes missing. However, despite being a physically perfect copy of X, Copy X had no memories or experiences that the real deal had. Copy X also didn't have the 30 year test performed on him. This left Copy X as a naïve, crazy Knight Templar who paled in comparison to his predecessor. | |
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In The Legend of Korra, Earth Queen Hou-Ting, daughter of the kind-hearted Earth King Kuei of Avatar: The Last Airbender, is a selfish despot who hoards her nation's wealth for herself, leaving her people out to starve and seeks to undo the progress her father made, considering him a weak-willed ruler who was taken advantage of by Aang and Fire Lord Zuko. She was secretly kidnapping Airbenders in her nation to form a secret army (implied to be for an invasion of the United Republic). She eventually meets her end after mocking Zaheer, who proceeds to use Airbending to asphyxiate her. | |
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Enemies & Allies: Thomas Wayne's original board of directors were brilliant and highly ethical businessmen devoted to his philanthropic vision, but most of them have died or retired, and their successors, while fairly competent executives and/or engineers, were either always out to enrich themselves regardless of the cost or proved to be corruptible.note Paul Henning and Shawn Norlander, in particular, are described as having been good replacements at first, but Henning's increased power gradually made him greedy, while the otherwise incorruptible Norlander is blackmailed into spying for Lex Luthor due to having a child from an extramarital affair. | |
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The Authority: The team itself. It was inspired by the Changers, a rather idealistic group compoared to the nastiness and dirty business the Authority engaged it. Jack Hawksmoor was very much this as leader when he took over from the late Jenny Sparks, as the team collectively Took a Level in Jerkass, as they went from being reluctant but willing to use lethal force to a bunch of arrogant jackasses whose default method is the use of lethal force, act unilaterally without thinking about the consequences, and at one point overthrew the U.S. government. |
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Mass Effect: Andromeda: This is about the most charitable way to view Jarun Tann, the "Director" of the Andromeda Initiative. He was eighth in line to lead the Initiative, and got his position when all seven leaders above him died. What was he before he was put in charge of colonizing an entirely new galaxy? An accountant. It's clear he's in way over his head, and to his credit he does recognize this. He does appear to honestly be trying his best, but he simply doesn't have the kind of experience or charisma his position requires. His inability to fill the shoes of Jien Garson, the Initiative's founder, is the source of a huge amount of trouble the player has to clean up over the course of the game. Jarun is painted is a much more negative light in the prequel novel, where his arrogance and incompetence causes the repair workers to rebel and ends in the death of the workers' leader, and the protagonist of the book joining the rebels in exile, with Tann only acknowledging the situation might be partly his fault when it's all over. |
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In Mission: Yozakura Family, the underworld specifically notes that Taiyo, the husband of the tenth head of the Yozakura family, isn't a particularly exceptional spy aside from his dogged determination to improve his skills and protect Mutsumi. This weighs on him as he begins worrying about sullying the Yozakura name and whether or not he ought to be with Mutsumi. | |
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Similarly, Maria Hill, when replacing Nick Fury was this. She always worked within the system, which meant she could never do quite as good a job as Nick. The world went to crap on her watch. She got better over time, but still is very much inferior to Nick. She's ultimately thrown out of SHIELD after the Pleasant Hill incident. | |
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Cesare - Il Creatore che ha distrutto shows the death of Lorenzo de'Medici, and the beginning of the rule of his son Piero, known to history as "The Unfortunate", due to events that take place after the end of the series. Piero's main effect on the plot of the manga comes from his pressuring his younger brother, Cardinal Giovanni de'Medici, classmate and friend of protagonist Cesare Borgia, to vote against Cesare's father in the papal conclave. | |
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Succession: After Logan's death in the middle of season 4, we finally get to see the fruits of Logan's series long Inadequate Inheritor arc with his three youngest children. And the results ain't pretty for any of them, with Kendall getting hit with this trope the hardest. He and Roman step up as co-CEOs to run Waystar Royco, though it's only meant to be until the Gojo deal goes through, at which point Matsson will be the new CEO. Though Kendall does manage to have some moments of success, like his well-received investor presentation, on the whole, he is as he always was: not as decisive, business-savvy, or competent as Logan with some truly pie-in-the-sky ideas. Come the series finale, with Roman and Shiv deciding to support Kendall as sole CEO to stop the Gojo buyout, it seems like Waystar is just going to move forward with a far less competent CEO than his predecessor. That is, until Shiv votes for the buyout at the last moment, ensuring that the much more competent and far less volatile Tom becomes the next CEO and not Kendall. | |
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