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This is the Supertrope for many tropes and clichés concerning Epic Ship-on-Ship Actionnote and not Ship-to-Ship Combat, which is something else entirely... IN SPAAAAACE!!! Space Fighters have the Old-School Dogfight; capital ships get this trope instead, and you can think of it as a "Very Old School Sea Fight." Founded on the idea that Space Is an Ocean, it harks back to the age of Wooden Ships and Iron Men, when large warships, making up in fire-power what they lacked in manoeuvrability, pounded each other with cannon fire until one finally took enough damage to be forced to withdraw (or until a lucky shot hit a powder magazine). The honour and military tradition of those long-gone days will often be evoked as well. It may be The Climax of a tense standoff, the conclusion of a Stern Chase, or the outcome of a cunning surprise attack. Two Cool Starships from opposing Space Navies will park within arm's reach of each other, and proceed to fire broadsides of Beam Spam and Macross Missiles at each other's Weak Spots. The Close In Weaksauce System — if it exists — will valiantly try to intercept enemy attacks, and fail. Deflector Shields will flash and crackle as they slowly drop percentage point by percentage point. The Engineer will rush to prevent Phlebotinum Overloads while avoiding the inevitable torrents of burning steam, providing essential Techno Babble all the way. On The Bridge, Bunnies will shout out damage reports while Explosive Instrumentation claims the life of many a Redshirt Ensign. Everyone flails about as each enemy hit brings on a Star Trek Shake. The Captain will sit stoically at the centre of it all, providing important tactical guidance, such as "Reverse the Polarity!" or "Give me more power!" In a really dramatic battle, he or she may turn to daring and original plans — attempts at Stealth in Space (to turn the battle into a submarine analogy), aversions of Two-Dimensional Thinking, uncharacteristically creative applications of usually-Misapplied Phlebotinum, etc. Unfortunately, such daring plans will usually Only Work Once.note There may be possible parallels with the History of Naval Warfare here, as well. Famous British admiral Horatio Nelson once shocked the world and revolutionized warfare by discarding traditions and turning to risky new tactics, for example. Once damage has had some time to accumulate, and the daring plan has had a chance to either work impressively or fail spectacularly, one of the ships will usually find it prudent to invoke the Thirty-Sixth Stratagem and attempt a Hyperspeed Escape. An honourable opponent will let them go; a lowly Space Pirate may get out the boarding hooks instead, and prepare a Boarding Party. If the quarry manages to slip away, there may be a Stern Chase. If neither side is willing to retreat, sooner or later one of the Cool Ships is likely to suffer a Critical Existence Failure. The crew will scramble for Escape Pods at the last possible second (this step can be skipped if there is nobody important on board), and the subsequent Explosions in Space (with optional Planar Shockwave) will fittingly wrap up the action. Note that such a confrontation need not be an epic Final Battle. Starship Scuffles are routine in Space Opera, and may be used to establish the setting, throw a minor obstacle in the protagonists' path, introduce a villain, or even just provide a lead-in to other, more important parts of the plot. Of course, epic battles in sci-fi settings often will make use of this trope. When this trope is averted, it will generally be done in one of two ways: Either large ships will engage in Old School Dogfighting, displaying maneuverability usually reserved for Space Fighters, or combat between spacecraft will actually be shown as a completely new kind of warfare, with weapons and tactics shaped by the realities of the outer space environment rather than by the Rule of Cool or naval parallels. Some of the earliest space battles on what is considered the Ur-Example (see the photo at the top of the page) actually more resembled Hot Sub-on-Sub Action due to the fact that the enemy ship was often unseen (at least onscreen) due to distance. To see the different kinds of ship likely to be involved, inspect the Standard Sci-Fi Fleet. If the ships are Battlestars, this trope may occur side-by-side with Old School Dogfighting. This trope is not to be confused with Space Battles, though there is certainly overlap. |
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True to form, in Star Trek Online duels between starships armed with beam arrays tend to work out this way. Beam arrays have a 255-degree firing arc, so being side-on to your target means you can hit with all your energy weapons at once. Among ships armed with dual cannons (most escorts) or dual beams, it works out more like an Old-School Dogfight, albeit one where the combatants also have tailguns (turrets on the rear mounts); and some of these weapons have special versions that expand their firing arcs. With the introduction of Carrier Ships, the tactics blend closer. A dedicated Carrier (two hangers) can spam two groups of small fighters. One fighter won't be enough against a capital ship... but a group is enough with the secondary group tasked to defend the mother ship. Between a small weapons compliment for broadsides and a typical science specialty (generally science is focused on crowd control, buffs, and debuffs), a carrier can essentially park at far range of the main battle and weaken the ships/buff the fighters enough to make the fighters a threat. |
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In the Homeworld series you plan and fight these as a part of gameplay, as this is a space RTS and your task is not only to ensure that there are enough resources and ships to throw into combat, but to manage combat itself. Which is harder than it seems because the games completely avoid 2-D Space. Battles between capital ships often fit this trope closely, as large ships can't manoeuvre very well, and have fairly short-ranged weapons. They will often slowly drift past each other, or park within arm's reach of each other, and trade beam and cannon-fire until one of the ships bursts into flames and explodes... You can even order the ships into formations, one of which takes the traditional sea-bound Line of Battle and transforms it into a 3D Wall-of-Battle for much the same effect! |
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Starcraft features this trope both in-game, and in an animation that plays on one of the menu buttons. | |
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Zigzagged in The Expanse. Warships are typically armed with long-range torpedoes/missiles (the terms are used interchangeably) and autocannons for missile defense and CQB (close-quarters battle). Battleships also use railguns as intermediate-range weapons (when the enemy is too close for missiles but too far for autocannons). It's common for ships to be shredded by autocannon fire, as armor does little to stop it. Crews also frequently put on spacesuits and suck out the air to avoid Explosive Decompression during battles. A notable battle in the show is one between the Martian flagship, the MCRN Donnager, and six mysterious stealth frigates. The two sides first exchange missile volleys, with one of the frigates destroyed by a missile hit. The Martians are surprised at how effective the frigates' missiles are, as a number of them make it through the autocannon fire and hit the battleship, doing critical damage to the reactor. The frigates then close in to railgun range. One more frigate is blown up by a railgun hit from the Donnager, but the frigates reveals that they have spinal-mounted railguns as well (the battleship's are turreted). Both sides then close to knife-fighting range, as the frigates are actually trying to board the Donnager. Two more frigates are obliterated by autocannon fire, but the remaining two launch boarding pods and overwhelm the Martian defenders, especially since the reactor damage eventually forces the Martians to cease fire. The Martian captain chooses to initiate self-destruct rather than let the enemy have the ship. The blast takes out the remaining stealth frigates. Another impressive fight is between the formerly Martian frigate Rocinante and one of the stealth ships. In order to avoid being hit by missiles, the Roci drifts close before engaging the drive. Both spray one another with autocannon fire, with the Roci trying to avoid being hit by the enemy's railgun. Eventually, the ''Roci'’ proves to be superior and shreds the enemy (6 guns vs 4) until the enemy crew is dead. | |
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The Honor Harrington novels play with this. Although ships do tend to throw everything they've got at each other, they tend to do it from as far away as possible. Prior to the pod revolution, however, missiles were viewed as being more for softening up targets, and the only way to be sure to kill a dreadnaught or superdreadnaught was to close to energy weapon range.note Even that, however, was still not "knife fight" range as often depicted elsewhere, however, with energy weapon engagements being at least several light-seconds apart. David Weber was also one of the people behind the space strategy board game Starfire, and the space battles in Honor Harrington, especially early on, are influenced by the game mechanics. The development of more effective LACs (basically, corvettes) and dedicated LAC carriers (or CLACs), while not having nearly the same effect as the use of aircraft carriers during World War II (which is lampshaded in the books), still adds a new dimension to space combat. In particular, the new Manticoran LACs have spinal energy weapons normally mounted on capital ships. A squadron of these LACs can easily get in range of an enemy battlecruiser and reduce it to scrap before being blown out of space. It's notable that Manticorans tend to use LACs offensively, while Havenites prefer to use them mostly for anti-LAC purposes. It's coldly pointed out that even the destruction of a squadron of 6 LACs results in significantly less casualties than the destruction of even a single destroyer (60 vs. several hundred), but they do go through experienced officers and enlisted at a much faster rate. Of note is that the Honorverse was deliberately designed to hit this trope as hard as possible. The setting is explicitly modelled as the British Empire vs. Revolutionary/Napoleonic France Recycled In Space, and the rules of physics are designed to force battles to take place in the same manner as in the age of sail. Impressively, this was done while still being truer to real world physics, especially relativity, than many other settings. Developments in both politics and technology served to move the setting away from these roots in later books. |
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The X-Universe games often feature slug fests between capital ships at fairly short ranges, even though the weapons will reach out 8km, they're too slow to kill the enemy before they close to sneezing distance. Battles between the player capital ship and AI capital ships usually end with the player plowing his ship into the AI ship. AI vs AI capital ship battles sometimes result in them both smashing into each other (if the player is speeding up time) due to the poor maneuverability of capital ships and the slow reaction time of sped-up AI. | |
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There are two space-brawls in Pouvoirpoint: The first one is lived from inside the vibro-cannons room of ship Entreprise-2061, during the ambush by a Proximian swarm from outer space. The second one is seen from outside the ship, when it gets attacked by a pestering coastguard fighter. | |
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Dread Empire's Fall both plays this straight with the "Established Doctrine" espoused by the Government committee charged with running the war, and uses the Admiral Nelson angle of innovative tactics from the protagonists. | |
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Enforced and Justified in Sins of a Solar Empire, because battles takes place in planetary or stellar gravity wells-"brown water" distances in terms of starships. | |
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Space Battleship Yamato featured this trope aplenty, especially in the big battle at the edge of the solar system in the very first episode, which was very obviously inspired by World War II naval engagements. It's hard to imagine making the Space Is an Ocean trope any more explicit than this show did... | |
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The Battle of Endor from Return of the Jedi starts out more as a Battle of Midway-style melee, with snub fighters attacking the enemy capital ships, but once the Death Star cranks up its superlaser the Rebel cruisers have no choice but to go in and engage the Imperial Star Destroyers toe-to-toe so that at least the Death Star can't get a clear shot at them. The novelization lampshades it: | |
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Captain Harlock: Bonus points for the hero's ship looking like a mash-up of a submarine, battlecruiser and galleon. | |
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In Star Trek (2009), we see some beautiful examples, though aversions of Point Defenseless and a general reduction in the amount of Techno Babble from previous Trek incarnations make it a less straight example than most. | |
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Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained both subvert this trope; space battles happen with nuclear missiles or relativistic projectiles, from many miles away. The crews of the human ships are immersed in the control system, controlling everything through their brains. Maneuvering, if it happens, happens in hyperspace. It still manages to be incredibly dramatic. | |
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Played with in Schlock Mercenary, where the author's commentary averts this trope by noting the ways in which space combat has unique variables and considerations, and then goes on to admit the comic itself will play it straight by noting how audiences wouldn't enjoy or comprehend it, so here's a bunch of shots of Stuff Blowing Up. The realities of space-born combat do at times make it on-panel, however. Some battles occur at incredible distances with full use of the physics of space in effect, and considerable detail has been spent describing measures, counter measures, counter-counter measures, etc. In one case, Tagon's crew watch an engagement that had been decided days ago play out in "real time" due to the time it took the light to reach them. After "long gun" technology comes into use it becomes rare for any but the most petty fights to be between ships that are even in the same solar system. | |
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One of the fillers for S.S.D.D. explains why real life space battles wouldn't look like the movies. | |
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Played dead straight in The Lost Fleet... until Captain Geary shows up. Due to the length of the war, anyone and everyone who knew how to fight in four dimensions (time is definitely an included factor!) is long dead and ships just charge at each other. Then Geary shows up, lost knowledge and all, and is basically unstoppable despite being in his own words "average" at these kinds of tactics. | |
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Stargate SG-1 and its sequels started to feature space battles that fit this trope perfectly once the Tau'ri developed their own spacecraft using Imported Alien Phlebotinum. Boarding Parties often played an especially large role, however, and early on the still-experimental human ships were more prone to Phlebotinum Breakdown. The episode "The Queen" of Stargate Atlantis involved Teyla pretending to be a Wraith Hive queen. She ends up starting a fight with another Hive ship, which involves both ships floating alongside one another (mind you, each ship is several miles long) firing powerful energy bolts at each other, while hundreds of their Dart fighters go at each other. Todd, acting as her Number Two, realizes that Teyla is intentionally trying to get as many Wraiths killed as possible. In the end, Teyla's Hive only survives because the rest of the team sabotage the other Hive. Teyla then turns to Todd and berates him for questioning her tactics. Said tactics were, apparently, straight out of 18th century (minus Darts) without even any maneuvering or volleys. |
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Haruhi Suzumiya: There is a space battle scene fitting this trope. | |
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The space battle at the end of the first game looks a little more like a dogfight. The space battles in Mass Effect 2 are all between the same two ships, and manage to give the impression of an aircraft attacking an oceangoing ship. | |
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The battles in Mass Effect 3 tend to be one-sided on the part of the Reapers. However, we do get to see geth and quarian fleets slug it out without much maneuvering involved. Interestingly, despite the Codex claiming that the quarian heavy capital ships were upgraded with the Thanix cannons, we never actually see them in action. They keep using their standard Magnetic Weapons. The Codex claims that all starship weapons have been upgraded to Thanix cannons. However, even during the final battle involving every remaining fleet vs. the Reapers, all ships advance in a wall and wait for Sheppard's order to fire, at which point we see standard shots (i.e. no Reaper-like beam "lances"). Only then do we see some maneuvering, such as dreadnoughts getting within spitting distance of Reapers, despite the fact that they're supposed to be the space equivalent of artillery. Also, all that talk in the second game about firing only when a hit is certain flies right out the window, as we see tons of shots miss... and head straight for Earth. The battle near Earth is possibly Justified. The space battle isn't really supposed to destroy the Reapers, but rather to distract them long enough for Shepard and the Crucible to do their job. Also, Godzilla Threshold applies. If they lose, Earth is toast anyway, so you might as well do anything you can to win and hope you don't hit any populated areas. |
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The Honor Harrington mobile game Tales of Honor: The Secret Fleet plays the trope even straighter than the novels. When ships battle they just sit there in parallel positions lobbing missiles at each other until one is destroyed. At most they might "roll" to use their impeller wedges at shields occasionally. | |
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Sword of the Stars battles play out this way at the dreadnought and leviathan level. Smaller spacecraft try to maneuver, but don't have the agility needed for an Old-School Dogfight. Computer-controlled Liir like to swarm your ships at close range and will try to surround-and-pound each of your vessels, even if they are using dreadnoughts. If you were counting on a battle line, good luck. Early battles involving only destroyers do tend to look like your typical scuffle, with ships passing one another while trading shots, especially since destroyers are unlikely to have missiles and tend to only have small turrets. |
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Mass Effect averts this — at least according to the Codex. The space battle at the end of the first game looks a little more like a dogfight. The space battles in Mass Effect 2 are all between the same two ships, and manage to give the impression of an aircraft attacking an oceangoing ship. The battle in the first game is a ludicrously short-ranged one for the setting; the Citadel flagship is actually unable to bring its main weapon to bear fast enough before being overwhelmed by smaller enemies much lighter human Cruisers take out in a single shot. The battles in Mass Effect 3 tend to be one-sided on the part of the Reapers. However, we do get to see geth and quarian fleets slug it out without much maneuvering involved. Interestingly, despite the Codex claiming that the quarian heavy capital ships were upgraded with the Thanix cannons, we never actually see them in action. They keep using their standard Magnetic Weapons. The Codex claims that all starship weapons have been upgraded to Thanix cannons. However, even during the final battle involving every remaining fleet vs. the Reapers, all ships advance in a wall and wait for Sheppard's order to fire, at which point we see standard shots (i.e. no Reaper-like beam "lances"). Only then do we see some maneuvering, such as dreadnoughts getting within spitting distance of Reapers, despite the fact that they're supposed to be the space equivalent of artillery. Also, all that talk in the second game about firing only when a hit is certain flies right out the window, as we see tons of shots miss... and head straight for Earth. The battle near Earth is possibly Justified. The space battle isn't really supposed to destroy the Reapers, but rather to distract them long enough for Shepard and the Crucible to do their job. Also, Godzilla Threshold applies. If they lose, Earth is toast anyway, so you might as well do anything you can to win and hope you don't hit any populated areas. Word of God is that the codex version is the canon one; the way ships fight in the cut scenes just looks cooler. |
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FTL: Faster Than Light: this is the main game mechanic. While the ships are assumed to maneuver around each other (as evidenced by the weapon fire coming in from random directions on both ships) you don't see much of it. Point defense only exists on some ships with defense drones, and the basic models are only useful against torpedoes. Of note is that unlike in most sci-fi universes, teleporters pass straight through shields so both explosive teleporters and boarding parties can be used anytime (assuming your ship has a teleporter). | |
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Done in Dreadnought all battles are done with in short range, and ships firing broadside salvos at each other. At the very least it averts the 2D space combat. | |
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Star Trek: The series in general is the Trope Codifier; this sort of space combat shows up with frequency in all its incarnations. In the later series, the trope is sometimes averted by having giant capital ships engage in an Old-School Dogfight, but it's still played straight very, very often. It was considerably less common in TOS, but that was mainly for budgetary and special effects limitations reasons (combining a Star Trek Shake with a character reporting weapon fire was cheap. Moving two models on screen at the same time while also adding in weapon and impact effects, not so much). In the episode "Conundrum", the Enterprise-D hints at an aversion of the franchise's usual Point Defenseless battles, while simultaneously demonstrating why there aren't many fighters to be found in Star Trek when Enterprise destroys a half-dozen in under two seconds in a casual, almost offhanded salvo of phaser fire. That episode might not be the best example, since the fighters they destroy are stated to be technologically inferior to the Federation, but the Borg also swat Federation fighters aside just as easily as they approach Earth, and it's shown that, generally speaking, the relatively-tiny Maquis ships are helpless against Federation and Cardassian capital ships and only good for raiding transports. Capital-grade weaponry is both powerful enough that only another capital ship or fortified installation has the defensive power to weather the hit, and accurate enough that evasive maneuvers aren't reliable enough to avoid being hit. When the Federation did use fighters in "Sacrifice of Angels" (a variant on one of the ships the Maquis used) they deployed them in massive squadrons, and even those were skirmishers meant to disrupt enemy formations more than anything. DS9: "Sacrifice of Angels" shows a Galaxy-class starship passing the bow of a Cardassian Galor-class, firing to the side as she bears. This is a seagoing battleship-era maneuver called "crossing the T". DS9 in general had a tendency towards ludicrously crowded and close-in fleet battles. Not only was ramming a common Dominion tactic, but accidental collisions and simply being caught in the explosions of other ships frequently inflicted more Federation Alliance casualties than actual weapons fire did. The above episode and Tears of the Prophets were the worst offenders. |
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BattleTech's space combat spinoff, BattleSpace / AeroTech has this as one of its core mechanics. WarShips brawl with each other at ridiculously close ranges. The battles are very brutal and reminiscent of sea battles from the age of sail. However, it has advanced rules for Newtonian flight physics instead of the Old-School Dogfight style physics, and three dimensional movement is important. Likewise, the fiction usually averts this, with direct combat between capital ships typically fought entirely by instruments and mathematics. In a bit of a twist, with the exception of rare and expensive WarShips with special compact jump cores the average fleet "mothership" is a sitting duck in combat — plain JumpShips spend so high a mass fraction on their faster-than-light drive system that they have basically no tonnage left over to invest in armor, mobility, firepower, or even significant cargo, and recharging the drive for a second jump back out of a hostile system can take on the order of a week or more. As such, while they're key to strategic mobility (DropShips and fighters aren't FTL-capable and so need to hitch rides to do anything more than patrol the system where they were originally built), they rarely play much of a role in tactical combat. Also, JumpShips are so astoundingly rare and important to the functioning of the galactic economy that it was written into the Ares Conventions that attacking a JumpShip was a war crime. Though by the time of the FedCom Civil War this was largely ignored and when the Word of Blake Jihad broke out, war crimes of so much greater magnitude were committed so often that "destruction of a Jumpship" ceased to be a noticeable offense. |
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Averted in Outsider. When the Loroi and Umiak engage in space combat, their fleets are face to face with each other at considerable long distances, as Loroi weaponry is effective at roughly the distance between Earth and the Moon. The Umiak attack via Zerg Rush and missile spam, while Loroi fight with carefully coordinated Beam Spam attacks. | |
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Although most of the combat in the Wing Commander series is Old School Dogfighting, there are a few exceptions: In one mission in Wing Commander III, you're escorting a pair of human destroyers that will engage Kilrathi destroyers in the area if given the opportunity. One cutscene late in Wing Commander IV features a very unusual melee between two space carriers, with the TCS Vesuvius (a brand-new supercarrier) in a stern chase with the BWS Intrepid (an old destroyer modified into a light carrier). The fight is soon joined by TCS Mt St. Helens (a second supercarrier of the same type as Vesuvius, recently hijacked and coming to the aid of the Intrepid), and the two heavy carriers duke it out. Mt St. Helens is quickly knocked out of the fight due to her being under-crewed and not fitted out for combat. One cutscene in the successful mission tree of Secret Ops shows an engagement between a Plunkett heavy cruiser and a Hydra cruiser. The losing mission branch version of the scene shows the Plunkett being swarmed by Nephilim fighters, however. |
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In Serenity, the Final Battle plays out more like a cavalry charge than a naval battle. This may not be a representative example, however; one side consists entirely of Reavers, who are Axe-Crazy Chaotic Evil lunatics straight out of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre IN SPACE! and probably not all that smart. | |
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Battles in Endless Space feature very little player input (the only input is in the form of battle cards that can be employed prior to each phase). Visually, they feature both fleets moving in standard battle lines towards a planet on converging vectors. During the second, third, and fourth phases of combat, broadsides are exchanged. Missiles are more effective at long range (second phase), lasers are best at medium range (third phase), and kinetics are most accurate at "melee" range (fourth phase). Even if neither fleet is completely destroyed by phase 5, the battle ends and an After-Action Report is displayed. The Disharmony Expansion Pack adds fighters and bombers, which spend phase 2 getting into range and then attack for the next two phases (fighters go after enemy fighters first, then bombers, then ships; bombers go after ships). | |
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The Warhammer 40,000 spin-off game Battlefleet Gothic is a tabletop game built on this trope. To its credit, while combat mostly occurs by ships firing broadsides at each other, they at least do it over realistic distances, several million kilometres apart. The models representing the ships are completely out of scale with the rest of the game, as otherwise you'd either be playing with microscopic models, or would need a decently sized city to play in. Additionally, 3D combat is handwaved as "just another range modifier", and since most of these battles take place over such insane ranges, the planar weapon distribution could even be structural, only requiring maneuvering rockets to aim in the z-axis (from the frame of reference of our 2D game surface). |
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And yet the remake Space Battleship Yamato 2199 succeeded by giving the Yamato's shock cannons the ability to fire both as energy weapons and as standard guns, with Operation M2 having the Yamato land into Pluto's seas before shelling the enemy base. | |
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Task Force Games: Star Fleet Battles and Starfire. The latter influenced the portrayal of space battles in the Honor Harrington books, as one of the creators of the game was also the novels' author, though how the two universes actually use this trope differs. | |
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Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny the Archangel and the Minerva, engage each other at close range, and firing their weapons when both ships are about to intersect each other. | |
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Il Était Une Fois... Space features several over the span of the series, most notably in the episode "A Planet Blown to Pieces" the fighting between the Omega ships that are escorting civilian ships requested to save people in a planet orbiting a star that has gone supernova and a Cassiopeian Nautilus-class warship and especially the titanic battle between the Cassiopeian and Humanoid fleets, in which the former is almost entirely annihilated. | |
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VGA Planets fights battles by having any involved ships attack in order, one on one, nose to nose, blasting away with any available weapons. This is all done automatically, the player can only order their ships how they want, send them into the fight, and watch the results. | |
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Fights between anything larger than fighters in Haegemonia looks like a typical slugfest between ships floating in space and firing at one another without any regard for tactics. While the game gives you the option of targeting engines or weapons instead of just the hull, it doesn't have much of an effect on the battle. | |
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In Andromeda, another Gene Roddenberry series, capital ships occasionally got close enough to one another to fire Anti-Proton guns at each other. But most of the time they lobbed relativistic missiles at blips on the tac screen several light-minutes away. And due to gravity manipulation most ships could maneuver like fighters anyway. | |
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Enforced in Stars Without Number by the side-effects of Spike Drive, the combination FTL and Reactionless Drive employed by all star-faring civilizations. It's continual phasing of the surrounding space makes it impossible for guided missiles to lock on and disables nuclear fission reactions, forcing ships to close to "knife-fight" range and shoot plasma and railguns at each other. | |
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Artemis: Spaceship Bridge Simulator often plays out like this, complete with bow-to-bow gun runs, preceded by long-distance missile firing as they close distance to beam weapon range. Skilled crews often use tactics based more on maneuvering around the enemy to strike weakspots than simply closing range and engaging in a slugfest, but novice crews often resort to simplistic scuffle tactics. | |
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Infinite Space has this to a hilt, especially in cutscenes. | |
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Firefly is an interesting aversion. The protagonists' Cool Starship is an unarmed transport, not at all designed for battle; when they meet a dangerous foe in space, all they can do is try to outrun it, trick it, or bribe it. In one episode, however, a kind of space battle proves inevitable, as the heroes have to disable a hostile space station. The closest they can come to a standard space battle: One of the characters puts on a space-suit, grabs a rifle, and basically leans out the airlock to take pot-shots at the enemy. (And the rifle has to be partially covered by its own space suit, because it was not meant to work in a vacuum...) Rather than using naval metaphors, Firefly was a Space Western; thus space combat ended up resembling not seagoing ships pounding each other with cannon, but cowboys shooting at each other while riding on horseback or in wagons. The main similarities to this trope were the very short range of the engagement, and the involvement of Phlebotinum Breakdown. | |
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Ground Zero Games's Full Thrust plays this trope straight. Optional rules provide varying degrees of aversion. | |
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Starslip has a few instances of this trope, usually with humorous lampshading of the various associated clichés. | |
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Gratuitous Space Battles was explicitly designed to provide a pure fix of Standard Starship Scuffle visuals. The player designs a fleet of fighters, frigates and gargantuan battleships then pits them against another fleet in a firestorm of technicolour glory. If you want to see Deflector Shields shimmering under the onslaught of Beam Spam while Tractor Beams struggle to pin elusive microfighters, this is the game for you. | |
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Star Trek: Legacy, Star Trek: Bridge Commander and the Star Trek: Starfleet Command games all feature this heavily, as their respective settings mostly lack Space Fighters. Most Trek games are like that. The second Starfleet Command game is the only one of the series to feature fighters. They aren't a tremendous help but can tip the scales in a close battle, especially for the Lyran's who get the best ones. Bridge Commander does allow you to take direct control over the ship and treat it like a fighter, especially if you're piloting a Bird-of-Prey (they only have forward-firing weapons). |
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Averted hard in Children of a Dead Earth. The game prides itself on being the most scientifically accurate space war simulator to a literal molecular level. Instead of the standard starship battle, you get what amounts to relativistic jousting. | |
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Babylon 5: The series would partake in this or Old School Dogfighting (the latter typically for the fighters, but occassionally for the faster or more advanced capital ships as well). If one side got the jump on the other before they could react (typically by ambushing them as they exited a Jump Gate, or jumping on them from a jump point of their own making once the target had been lured into a predefined killzone in a inversion of the Hyperspeed Escape) then the fight would be spectacularly brief. If both ships had fair warning that a fight was about to ensue, then it would be relatively lengthy, with the ships launching fighters and long-range attacks, using electronic countermeasures or interceptor weapons systems to avoid incoming fire while trying to get close enough to allow their own weapons systems to overcome the enemy's defenses. On at least one occassion, a duel between two enemy warships resulted in both ships being destroyed. The first battle of the Earth-Minbari War (after the failed first contact) was near the Vega colony. The Minbari fleet closed to weapons range and waited for the slow Earth ships to take the first shot. The whole battle lasted about 12 seconds with most Earth ships destroyed in the first Minbari volley. Only one ship (a prototype Omega) managed to get close enough to ram a Sharlin war cruiser. Nearly all battles against the Minbari were usually pretty short and one-sided. Oh, and to add more similarities with the Age of Sail, humans had to "eyeball" their weapons at the Minbari (i.e. visual targetting only), as the Minbari stealth systems prevented normal weapons lock. One subversion was in the episode "The Long, Twilight Struggle", which featured two fleets of ships engaging from extreme distance. Throughout most of the battle, the two fleets never appear in frame together, with dozens of fighters engaged in Old-School Dogfighting being almost too small to make out in the wide shots of the capital ships. |
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Nexus: The Jupiter Incident is a game designed around this concept. While there are fighters in the game, they're useless until the enemy's flak lasers are disabled. All fights are big slugfests, especially the climactic fight in the penultimate mission, where the player's fleet must fight against the constantly incoming enemy fleets. Lasers are specifically used to knock out enemy systems but don't do much physical damage. The other weapons are meant to damage the hull (mass drivers) and shields (energy shells). Fixed Forward Facing Weapons are the exception, not the rule. Most guns are turreted and located all over the hull, so you will often see ships rotating to bring additional weapons to bear while the ones currently facing the enemy are recharging. The Final Battle in the game, while smaller in scale than the Decisive Battle in the penultimate mission, is definitely not much easier. Essentially, you have to slug it out with one of the most powerful ships in the game without your fleet. You also have to do it inside a Negative Space Wedgie that could suck your ship in if you're not careful. If you focus on disabling the enemy engines, though, then the fight becomes easier, as the enemy will then fall into the anomaly. |
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Transformers: Despite being about a space-faring species engaged in a Forever War, ship-to-ship combat is surprisingly rare in the franchise due to most of the action generally being about small groups stranded on Earth. On the few occasions ship-to-ship combat is portrayed, however, it is played straight. In The Transformers, the Nemesis gets up close to the Ark, though this is partially justified by Megatron wanting to pull a boarding action (the version of these events told in The Transformers (Marvel) makes it clear a vicious fight was fought before the Decepticons were able to board). A similar occurence happens in Transformers: Fall of Cybertron where the Decepticons aboard the Nemesis attack the Autobots aboard the Ark: the Nemesis comes in so close while engaging in a firefight with the Ark that Bruticus is able to simply jump onto the Ark. In Beast Wars, the Axalon and the Darksyde shoot each other down when both ships are extreme close range. Part of the reason the Transformers seem to prefer space combat in this way appears to be the desire to make sure their target is actually dead, as in Transformers: The Movie Galvatron attacks an Autobot shuttle from long range and relies on his scanners to confirm the kill... not realising that the Autobots had separated the rear of their shuttle and allowed that part of the ship to be destroyed. | |
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Occasional Fighting Fantasy books with a sci-fi setting, such as Starship Traveller and The Rings of Kether will have you battling enemy starfighters in space combat. | |
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