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Tanks, but No Tanks

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Tanks, but No Tanks	comment	Tank Goodness somebody noticed! Writers often play fast and loose when it comes to vehicles. They are usually Just Plane Wrong, and use artistic license when it comes to ships. This applies to armored vehicles as much as anything else, either getting details wrong or using stand-ins. One of the most common mistakes is to treat all armored vehicles as tanks. Armored cars, self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers and several other types of armored fighting vehicles can be and frequently are misidentified as tanks, just as every warship is a "battleship" to most civilians. In real life all of these vehicle types and more are commonly lumped together under the catch-all term "Armored Fighting Vehicles" which is usually contracted to just "armor" or, if you want to be all snooty about it, AFV (no relation). Despite the common logic of "if it looks like a tank, acts like a tank, smells like a tank, it's a tank", many AFVs that look like tanks don't fit the definition, as tanks are usually characterized by being more of a product of old warfare, therefore way more heavily armoured and generally built to take the brunt of enemy fire than their AFV cousins, which usually possess lighter armour and rely more on indirect combat. Of course, this makes tanks rather expensive to make and maintain compared to other armoured vehicles, which is why we're seeing fewer actual tanks portrayed by the media these days. Not helping matters, of course, is that the lines between "tank" and "not a tank" have become blurred to varying degrees at varying times, even as far back as World War One. The very first tank, for example, did not have a fully rotating turret, but instead a pair of sponson half-turrets, one on each side. Many of the tanks in World War One only had machine guns rather than any cannon-sized weapons. Tank destroyers in the Second World War varied from not having any turret to having a fully rotating turret but no roof, or even a fully rotating turret with an unenclosed roof. In modern times, Infantry Fighting Vehicles are both more heavily armed and heavily armored than any of the tanks in the First World War or interwar era and a good number of tanks (especially light tanks) in World War II, looking similar to tanks but having much smaller cannons and less protection than main battle tanks. In most war films, particularly those set in the Second World War, historical tanks and armored vehicles will be replaced by either modern or more widely available contemporary vehicles that have either been painted in appropriate (or at least stereotypical) color schemes or given cosmetic makeovers to disguise their foreign or anachronistic features. The amount of effort that goes into this varies rather wildly. There are many very good reasons for this. Firstly, most survivors are historical artifacts belonging to museums and obviously cannot be used recklessly or destroyed. Moreover, many types of antique armored vehicles are actually quite scarce, and some were quite rare in the first place - the WWII Axis were the worst offenders as they favoured shorter production runs and a far greater number of variants. Just 492 King Tiger panzers were produced, as against 47,000 M4 Sherman tanks (all variants), and many contemporary Italian or Japanese vehicles were produced in even smaller numbers. In many cases surviving examples aren't available (e.g. submerged in a Belarussian swamp) or simply don't exist due to the ravages of combat, the temptations of scrapping/salvage, and the passage of time. Next, as the Sherman production numbers above suggest, Anglo-American filmmakers naturally took advantage of the huge glut of cheap surplus U.S. Army equipment in the immediate postwar period. If a studio has running vehicles in their prop inventory that are available for filming without much hassle, then simple convenience means they'll get used, accurate or not. These days, most armored fighting vehicles that don't meet their end on the battlefield will probably be scrapped before anyone else can get their hands on them. Tanks have never been particularly attractive on the surplus market since they are huge, heavy, fuel-guzzling lumps of steel that can easily cost more to restore and preserve than recycle. Even contemporary vehicles in operating condition can be prohibitively hard to find and incredibly expensive to hire, transport and maintain for filming. After all, tanks tend to be just so flipping big and in part because military vehicle collectors are often understandably leery of renting their rare and often irreplaceable treasures. Then there's the matter of Real Life politics, where vehicles you'd ideally want for realism simply can't be obtained at all since they're currently being used or held by an unfriendly power. It's easily forgotten today that prior to Soviet collapse, getting realistic Soviet or Eastern Bloc military vehicles for filming many a Cold War thriller was darn near impossible unless you were an Eastern Bloc filmmaker. Whereas today (well, prior to 2022), you can just phone the Russians and ask them nicely (and offer to pay cash up front). Similar to its sister tropes, this one happens out of practicality more than anything else, especially if you're not Backed by the Pentagon and just don't want reality to get in the way of Tank Goodness. Just find something vaguely tank-like, add a coat of stereotypical (but historically inaccurate) panzer gray paint and a few crosses and voila! instant Tiger. And—let's be honest here—aside from a few vehicle enthusiasts and history buffs, most viewers wouldn't even notice (or care), anyway. If it has tracks and a gun, it's a tank as far as they are concerned and it doesn't violate their Willing Suspension of Disbelief. To those who know what to look for, however, it can quite jarringly break it. For producers who care, there are a number of ways around it. One is to use surplus or 'backup tanks' from modern armies such as Russia or Spain: Most T-34 and Sherman tanks used in WWII films were not actually from the war but modernized vehicles from the immediate postwar period. Another is to take a more common modern or contemporary vehicle and give it a cosmetic makeover to give it the appearance of the correct historic vehicle; sometimes these conversions can be quite sophisticated with only a few detail differences such as turret location and suspension design that only dedicated military vehicle enthusiasts would likely notice (these folk are often called "rivet counters" in the trade and are usually considered to be very annoying and hard-to-please people). Finally, there are always models of both the real and the Computer Generated variety, which naturally come with their own sorts of problems. Note on top of all of the above that non-tank AFVs are usually both significantly more numerous and cheaper than actual tanks. The US Army's inventory as of 2022 for example included 6,000 tanks and nearly 20,000 non-tank armored combat vehicles.note Among them 5,700 M2/M3 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, 5,000 M113 armored personnel carriers, 4,400 Strykers (usually either APCs or IFVs depending on variant), 2,900 M1117 APCs/armored cars, and 1,000 M109 self-propelled guns. Plus thousands of engineering vehicles that use APC or tank chasses... While the United States Marine Corps had no tanks at all, but 2,200 non-tank armored vehicles.note ~1,000 LAV IFVs and 1,200 AAV-7 APCs. The Russian Army in the same year had, on active-duty, some 3,000 tanks and 15,000 non-tank armored combat vehicles.note Including 4,100 BMP IFVs, 3,000 self-propelled guns of various types, 2,500 BTR IFVs/APCs (depending on variant), 3,600 MT-LB APCs, 1,000 BRDM-2 APCs, 900 Shturm self-propelled missile launchers, and a smattering of other types. So on and so forth. Thus they're both easier to get and take up a lot of screen time in newsreels. Feel free to post aversions here, as they're rather rare and always a pleasure to see. NOTE: This is NOT to be confused with this game right here. For information on what qualifies as a tank and other armored vehicles, see Armored Fighting Vehicles. Examples
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_13f21e09	comment	Company of Heroes has the M26 Pershing tank available to American forces in Normandy circa June 1944. Historically, it did not see action until February 1945, and then in tiny numbers for field testing. The Expansion Pack Opposing Fronts features a Bergetiger Recovery Vehicle, of which exactly one was ever used in real life. This has led to theories that it was used for something completely different.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_1ab9ad1d	comment	In Killzone the ISA have heavy armored vehicles they call tanks, but its basically a glorified IFV.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_1d28b1f0	comment	Snow and Fire is a major aversion too. The film used a real KÃ¶nigstiger for late 1944 winter battle scenes. It belongs to the Saumur tank museum and is the only one in the world that's still in running condition.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_1face1d7	comment	One Adam-12 episode had a scene where the boys pulled over an M8 armored car only to discover that it was duly registered and thus perfectly legal to drive on the street. However, both the boys and the owner, who presumably should have known better, kept referring it as a "tank" throughout the entire scene.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_20ad9be5	comment	Averted in Sam Peckinpah's Cross of Iron, which used real, Yugoslav-made, T-34s in several scenes. Although the models used would be slightly anachronistic for the 1943 the film is set in. The Yugoslav SU-85 assault guns, however, were completely correct in all contexts.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_2126592a	comment	In Girls und Panzer, despite the fact that the writers have obviously done their homework on tank combat, a few oddities slipped through: All tracked vehicles are called "sensha", in keeping with the real-life German practice of calling all armored vehicles "panzer". The rough equivalent term in English is "Armored Fighting Vehicle" (AFV), but the show's dub never uses it, just calling them "tanks", possibly because AFV can refer to wheeled vehicles as well. One of the "tanks" in Miho's squadron is actually a StuG III tank destroyer. The crew of which lampshade it by pointing out that they don't have a turret. It is also lampshaded by Miho's loader Yukari who - correctly - calls it "self-propelled artillery", while announcer dialogue in the Japanese version refers to the StuG III as the "Type 3 Assault Gun". The Movie has a team fielding a Morser-Karl self-propelled siege mortar, which is definitely not a tank and its status as an AFV at all is highly questionable. The officiator of the match is called out on this when it appears.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_23e7fdf0	comment	In the post-apocalyptic world of Metal Max, a tank just means a vehicle that has some armor slapped on it and at least one gun. In one game of the series, the first "tank" you get is a dune buggy and later in the game you can try to outbid someone for a firetruck to join your tank force.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_2754c6fb	comment	In Harry Turtledove's The Great War series, this trope would be Barrels, but No Barrels, which loses some of its flavor.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_2930d0c2	comment	The definition of "tank" was flexible and hadn't been formalized in the early days of armored warfare. The term "tank" itself was a deliberately-obfuscatory term used at the factories to keep their real nature a secret from enemy spies; the assembly-line workers building the new "landships"note This term gets used a couple of times in the single-player tank campaign of Battlefield 1 (which was intended to be the proper term) were told that the vehicles would be used to haul drinking water in areas without improved roads. The fake name caught on, and the rest is history. When you get right down to it, none of the early tanks—the British Mark I & IV, the French Schneider & St. Chamond, or the German A7V Sturmpanzerwagen— would be considered tanks, as they all lacked turrets and had guns with limited traverse. The first tank, recognizable as such to a current casual observer, was the French Renault FT-17 light tank, which featured a rotating turret and modern shape, but at the time these features had nothing at all to do with the military definition of a tank. There were other (rarer) "tanks" that wouldn't be accepted as "tanks": for example, the experimental A39 Tortoise heavy tank developed by the British during World War II was really an assault gun with a fixed superstructure similar to the German Jagdtiger. Americans waffled on the designation for the experimental T28, another heavy "assault gun" developed late in World War II. It was originally classified as "T95 Heavy Tank", then redesignated as "105 mm Gun Motor Carriage T95" or self-propelled gun, but later redesignated again as "T28 Super Heavy Tank".note It was complicated by the fact that it hadn't really fitted into any category of American armored vehicles of the time - tanks were supposed to be armored vehicles intended to break through enemy lines and wreak havoc behind them, usually with heavier armor and capable (at least in theory) to withstand direct confrontation with substantial enemy firepower and usually with the main armament mounted in a revolving turret, while self-propelled artillery (GMC/HMC - Gun or Howitzer Motor Carriage) vehicles were supposed to be more lightly armored vehicles providing specialized fire support with either direct or indirect fire from safe distance from the enemy - e.g. M10 tank destroyer (officially "3-inch Gun Motor Carriage M10") had powerful 3-inch M7 gun in fully rotating (yet very lightly armored and open-topped) turret, and was supposed to be employed in a similar way as a towed anti-tank gun, chiefly fighting from ambushes, with the added advantage of greater mobility than towed AT guns. Another example is the "3 Ton Tank" M1918. It was build late in WWI and based on the Renault FT-17 (the American copies of these were known as the M1917 or "6 Ton Tank"), but put on such a strict diet that it lost its turret in favor of a forward gun with limited traverse. This was to be a machine gun in all cases, while part of the FT-17's had a 37mm cannon. 15 of these "tanks" were build before the war ended. As much of what the designers skimped on was space for the crew, tankers of those days may have been pretty glad it never really entered service.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_2930d0c5	comment	Battlefield 4 continues the above, with in-game spotting callouts usually alternating betweeen "light tank" and "light armor".
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_2d4919e7	comment	Another category of error regarding the depiction of tanks can be seen in the cover art of Major John Foley's Mailed Fist, his account of leading a British tank squadron across Europe from D-Day to war's end. Despite the tanks used by Foley and his men being very clearly identified in the text as Churchill heavies, successive cover artists depicted Shermans, Kangaroo troop carriers, M7 Priest SPG's... in fact, anything but Churchills. It is only in the most recent imprints that this error has been fixed and Churchills feature on the cover. Even then, they seem to be in a suspiciously desert setting.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_2f3eb71f	comment	In Command & Conquer: Generals, America's tanks are called "Crusader" and "Paladin", referring to the canceled XM2001 Crusader and M109A6 Paladin, both of which are self-propelled howitzers (artillery) rather than tanks. And then we have the GLA Marauder tanks, which are actually turretless assault guns, microwave "tanks" that are simply mobile active denial systems, Chinese Gatling "tanks" that are simply up-armored SPAAGs, etc.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_305df639	comment	71: Into the Fire, a Korean war film, curiously have the North Korean forces using an American M4AE8 Sherman tank against the ROK troops and the student soldiers. It's somewhat plausible that they could be using captured enemy equipment against their former owners, but it is more likely that on a meta level, they were standing-in for the more commonly used Russian T-34/85 medium tanks.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_30940081	comment	Grand Theft Auto V has the Rhino being modeled on an actual tank, however it still falls into this trap thanks to the description from an in-game website mistaking which tank was modeled for the game. The website unmistakably describes an M1 Abrams with references to a weight of 60 tons, a 1,500hp turbine engine, a 120mm cannon and the line "One of the few vehicles still manufactured in America". The Rhino is actually modeled on the Leopard 2A4, which despite having the 120mm cannonnote which was developed for the Leopard tank first then used on the Abrams is different in every other detail in the description. The Leopard 2 uses a 1,479hp V12 Diesel engine, has a weight of 68 tons, and is made in Germany.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_341c02e9	comment	Batman Begins: Played for Laughs. This version of the Batmobile is the Tumbler, a prototype bridge-deploying vehicle for use in combat zones; they never could get the bridge to work, but the Tumbler itself remains a fast, armored vehicle that excels in any terrain. When Batman first deploys it, some police are asked for the make and model of the vehicle. They can't come up with any description besides "a black... tank."
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3570c407	comment	The "German" halftracks in The Rat Patrol were all American halftracks in German markings.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3692a962	comment	Averted in Lord of War. Not only were the tanks in one scene all real, but they were all sold right after filming completed. The scene actually had to be rushed because the arms dealer they were borrowing the tanks from had an unexpected buyer.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3b373a06	comment	The tank under Gary's command in Scottish comedy Gary Tank Commander, when it actually appears, is an FV433 Abbot - looks enough like a tank to satisfy a layman, but actually self-propelled artillery.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3cade130	comment	Averted in 1975 USA-Czechoslovakian film Operation Daybreak also known as The Price of Freedom. Czechoslovakia built 3 Tigers specifically for this movie.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3cfa5020	comment	Tank Girl: Tank Girl's tank is very much fictional, but the tank used in the film is basically an M3 or M5 Stuart light tank, with lots of greebles and a (fake) bigger gun tube.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3d3a4e34	comment	While it being a sci-fi series featuring highly futuristic vehicles blurs the line somewhat, the Blaster Master series goes hard on the "every armored vehicle is a tank" doctrine. The various SOPHIA models piloted over the course of the series are for the most part military-grade ATVs with a cannon mounted on top; very few have threads, and none have a proper turret. The Blaster Master Zero trilogy gets even worse with the introduction of the Metal Attacker Series, which are all classified as tanks despite including a tractor with a gatling gun, a locomotive-themed Drill Tank, a speedy bunny-shaped vehicle that doesn't even have a proper ranged weapon, and a space fighter. It even gets lampshaded upon encountering the EIR (the aforementioned bunny) with Jason completely surprised to discover that a "tank" specialized in high speed melee combat is a thing.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_3f2ef980	comment	Transformers: The Last Knight sees the British Army attack the Decepticons at Stonehenge with American Abrams tanks as opposed to the proper British Challenger 2. (Note that once again the film was Backed by the Pentagon but not the British government.)
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_40eba13f	comment	Likewise averted in the follow-on miniseries The Pacific, using a mix of CGI and four specially built replicas to represent the Japanese Type 95 Ha Go tank, real working versions of which are in short supply. One of the replicas is now on display at the National Museum of Singapore.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_4c6984d9	comment	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II's version of the Ground War multiplayer mode includes two tracked vehicles, the IAV from the 2019 game as the "Light Tank", and a newly-added "Heavy Tank". Despite its name, the Light Tank is not a tank, but rather a Bradley with an autocannon, while the Heavy Tank, while actually visibly being a tank, is a weird mixture of a vaguely T-90-ish turret on the body of a Merkava.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_52c51f74	comment	To Hell and Back (1955)—a film depiction of Audie Murphy's WW2 service which actually had to downplay his feats in order to be more believable—has him jump into a burning M4 Sherman to fire its 50-caliber machine gun at German troops, in the action that earned him the Medal of Honor. In real life he jumped into an M10 Tank Destroyer; the M4 provided the chassis on which the M10 was based, so the lower hull and running gear look similar, but the upper hull geometry and the larger, open-topped turret look very different. Presumably it was easier to procure a surplus M4 tank than to get an actual M10, and you couldn't convincingly disguise an M4 to look like an M10, so they simply took the artistic license of changing the vehicle in question to an M4 in the movie.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_5425ce75	comment	The Rhino in the Grand Theft Auto franchise has always been referred to as a tank. However, its earliest designs (the ones that appeared in Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City) have wheels rather than tracks presumably because of engine limitations, making it look more like an APC or tank destroyer. Most of the "3D-era" games also use a cartoony and fictional model that, if anything, bears more of a resemblance to the German Fuchs APC than a real tank (the pre-release model was, in fact, just a Fuchs with a turret slapped on, and the resemblance is still there in the front of the release model); San Andreas would remodel it to more closely resemble the M1 Abrams, but later games would go back to GTA3's model until Chinatown Wars finally gave it a model with actual treads. Grand Theft Auto V has the Rhino being modeled on an actual tank, however it still falls into this trap thanks to the description from an in-game website mistaking which tank was modeled for the game. The website unmistakably describes an M1 Abrams with references to a weight of 60 tons, a 1,500hp turbine engine, a 120mm cannon and the line "One of the few vehicles still manufactured in America". The Rhino is actually modeled on the Leopard 2A4, which despite having the 120mm cannonnote which was developed for the Leopard tank first then used on the Abrams is different in every other detail in the description. The Leopard 2 uses a 1,479hp V12 Diesel engine, has a weight of 68 tons, and is made in Germany.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_5e90f278	comment	Another example occurs in 009-1: Tigers again, this time in an unspecified "eastern block" country.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_608516dc	comment	The tanks used in Mars Attacks!, M41 Walker Bulldogs, were all long obsolete by the time the film was made. The Pentagon, it is claimed, refused to lend more modern equipment because of its unhappiness with the military's ineffectiveness in the film. If so, then the fact that these tanks, the M151 Mutt jeeps and the uniforms and M14 rifles used by the soldiers, evoke the feel of a 1950's B-movie was a happy accident.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_61052082	comment	The Pentagon Wars, which is a humorous retrospective on the development of the Bradley AFV (as well as all the waste, corruption and sillyness that went on in the Pentagon during it) was not Backed by the Pentagon. The actual Bradleys and their scale models and blueprints appear in numerous scenes throughout the film. The opening scenes of the film also show heat-seeking missiles and bombs being tested on a different APC entirely. It looks like a retired Soviet BTR 8-wheeler APC. While it's never really explained in-film why they're using that particular vehicle (or a mockup of it, if it is one) for target practice, we might assume it's because it is supposed to represent an enemy vehicle. Given that the "present day" scenes of the film are set in the early 90s, this would make sense. This trope is also discussed in one scene, when the designers point out that putting a turret on the Bradley would make it look more like a tank, which means it becomes a priority target for the enemy. And that, of course, is the last thing you'd want to happen to an infantry transport.note The film takes Artistic License â€“ History by depicting the Bradley starting as a scout vehicle or infantry transport and progressively falling victim to feature creep; in reality was conceived from the start as an infantry fighting vehicle to equal and counter the Soviet BMP. Unlike an APC, which withdraws to safety after dropping its troops into the combat zone, an IFV goes into battle together with the dismounted troops and supports them with its firepower. Especially because the enemy infantry might be accompanied by their own supporting light armor (particularly the aforementioned BMP), it made sense for the Bradley to have a turret mounting the 25 mm chain gun and TOW missiles to take out these threats to itself and its dismounted soldiers. Indeed, thanks to their missiles the Bradleys that fought in the Gulf War destroyed more enemy AFVs than the M1 Abrams tanks did. Curiously, when it was used in Iraq and Afghanistan around 2005, the feature that made the Bradley stick out most to the enemy was not its cannon but its size; apparently, many insurgents operated on the mindset of "the biggest vehicle in the convoy is the most important, therefore we must destroy the biggest vehicle!" and as such tended to target the large, high-profile Bradley IFVs more often than, say, the smaller Humvees or low-profile Abrams tanks, much to the misfortune of Bradley crew members and passengers. The good news is that the Bradley had been well-upgraded for protection and survivability over the years, and its sturdiness allowed it to shrug off all but the toughest attacks.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_63a677ec	comment	The remake of the World War II film The Bridge used Swiss Panzer 68s as stand-ins for the M4 Shermans. While the tanks look suitably "old", they do not look like Shermans, and Shermans also didn't have multiple countermeasure pods and other, "modern" stuff attached to them. What's even more ridiculous: later in the movie, an M4 Sherman can be seen. Why the heck didn't they use it in the first place?
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_663b2cb6	comment	Kelly's Heroes, filmed in Yugoslavia, used Russian T-34s that had been modified to look like German Tigers (there are only 6 Tigers in existence and only one is in serviceable condition). The Tiger replicas were already available since they'd been made for an earlier government sponsored historical film The Battle of Neretva. The most obvious giveaway is the location of the turret, which is much too far forward for a real Tiger, and the suspension, which lacks the Tiger's characteristic overlapping roadwheels. The scale is also off. Considering this movie was made in the same era when it was standard practice to call M47 Pattons "Panzers" though, it was a commendable effort in at least attempting to replicate the real thing. The movie also used Yugoslav army Shermans since they still had them in reserve in 1970.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_67b63c75	comment	Battlefield 1942 classifies the T-34, a medium tank, and the M10 Wolverine, a tank destroyer, as the USSR and USA's heavy tanks, respectively. Battlefield Vietnam has an artillery vehicle which new players tried frequently to use as a tank, giving disappointing results. Battlefield Play4Free has the so-called "light tanks", which are actually LAV-25 & BTR-90 APCs. Battlefield 4 continues the above, with in-game spotting callouts usually alternating betweeen "light tank" and "light armor".
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_688cfe4e	comment	In Strands of Sorrow, Faith initially mistakes anything with armor and a gun as a tank, until two NCOs that are with her set her straight on what qualifies as "tank", which the assault vehicles they were initially considering at the Blount Island facility certainly do not.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_6dd8677c	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_6dd8677c	comment	The first game used upgunned M2 Bradley IFVs as the Brotherhood of Nod's "Light tank" (although Nod's modifications appear to have removed the infantry-carrying capacitynote the game has the mechanical ability to let combat vehicles carry infantry — it is used by the APC — and at least part of the dev team were aware that Bradleys were IFVs as GDI is seen using them as exactly that in one cinematic, so by some definitions they would be tanks). Renegade, due to its art-style shift to match the more-futuristic Tiberian Sun, changed them into proper small (and quite low-profile) tanks.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_6f2d1072	comment	In MechWarrior Living Legends, all non-hover combat vehicles are listed under "tanks", be it an actual tank like the Demolisher, an Anti-Air vehicle like the Partisan, or the 8-wheel drive Chevalier light tank. Functionally, all combat vehicles bar the handful of long-ranged Macross Missile Massacre vehicles and the Long Tom artillery piece can be used in front line combat as a tank.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_73a9c933	comment	The Walking Dead features a (surprisingly clean, all things considered; shouldn't it be covered in bits of zombie?) British Chieftain standing in for an abandoned M1 Abrams. Rick gets into the tank via a belly hatch after he crawls under it, thinking all is lost, and a real M1 doesn't HAVE a belly hatch.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_746ec3fb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_746ec3fb	comment	A 1993 German film Stalingrad (1993) featured a scene of a battle against Soviet T-34 tanks - employing the late-war T-34/85 variant, about twelve to eighteen months too early as far as real life is concerned. Perhaps somewhat acceptable, as period-appropriate T-34/76s in running condition are rather hard to come by, and the T-34/85 had completely different - and larger - turret, so the cosmetic makeover would be impossible.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_761813a6	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_761813a6	comment	Averted in the miniseries Band of Brothers. The Allied tanks were genuine M4A1 Shermans and A27 Cromwells, the armored cars were genuine M8 Greyhounds, the halftracks were genuine M5s. On the German side, they used the Czech-built, German-designed halftracks and the replica Marders and Tigers from Saving Private Ryan, along with very convincing replica Jadgpanthers and Sturmgeschutz IIIs built on British FV432 APC chassis. The M4A1s were actually Canadian Grizzlies, a license built M4A1 - the Canadian Dry Pin (CDP) tracks give it away. American built M4A1 Shermans had rubber block tracks.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_79328e7	comment	The Army Surplus Special on Wacky Races is a mashup of an army tank and a steam roller.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_7996534f	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_7996534f	comment	War Horse falls on both sides of this. The Mk IV tank seen in the film is actually a modern-built replica, so perfectly made on the outside that it's on display at Bovington as a working representative of the machine. It's good enough that they drive it around on special occasions. On the inside, however, it's got modern safety systems, a modern engine, and an exhaust pipe for the engine so the crew inside doesn't choke on the fumes, which were not present in the original tanks. Mini documentary here if you have a few minutes.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_7bfecbd3	comment	A Bridge Too Far used mock-up Panzers based on modern German Leopard tanks with what appears to be plates of cardboard painted grey with Iron Crosses on the side attached to the vehicles. Possibly also due in part to the scene being filmed on location, and anyone over the age of 40 would probably be less than pleased at seeing accurately mocked-up German tanks rolling through the streets. Allied vehicles, on the other hand, were reasonably accurate. Backed by the Pentagon, in this case the Dutch Army.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_8117d43e	comment	In The Big Red One, Italian and German armored fighting vehicles are portrayed by Israeli "Super Shermans" (much of the movie was filmed in Israel).
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_85daf5da	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_85daf5da	comment	In Vietcong, the old French armored cars are called "tanks" for some reason. Not to mention the T-34-76s used by the NVA, when they should be using T-34-85s, and M50 Ontos tank destroyers in the second game.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_880cfa15	comment	Hogan's Heroes. The episode "One Army at a Time" used an American M7 Priest self-propelled artillery vehicle painted up in German colors to represent a generic German AFV. It was a decent choice because the Priest is an obscure enough vehicle that most of the viewing public (particularly back when the show first came out) wouldn't know what it really was. However, the same Priest had also been used to stand in for a Tiger tank in an earlier episode called "Hold That Tiger", which was a poor substitution because the two look nothing alike.However... One could argue that the titular "Tiger" was actually supposed to be a Jadgtiger, a heavy tank destroyer which, like the Priest, lacks a moving turret and therefore is itself not a true tank. With this in mind, though, it still doesn't change the fact that the Priest and the Jadgtiger look nothing alike themselves, but one can imagine the show was doing what they could with their budget.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_88f055ec	comment	Full Metal Jacket is a minor offender - during combat in Hue City, the tanks employed are actually light tanks M41 Walker Bulldognote This type was used in combat only by the ARVN during The Vietnam War., not M48 Patton medium tanks used by the USMC tank battalions in the Real Life battle. On the other hand, M41 is visually quite similar to M48, and both camera angles used and editing made very difficult to actually notice the difference when casually watching the film.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_8cd6b86f	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_8cd6b86f	comment	The German KÃ¶nigstiger tanks in Battle of the Bulge (1965) were actually American M47 Pattons (colour-coded grey, when German tanks of this period were in dark yellow-dark brown-dark green camouflage), and the American M4 Shermans were actually M24 Chaffee light tanks (in camouflage, when American tanks of this period were olive drab). On the bright side, this did make the US tanks look appropriately smaller than the German ones, as well as using World War II era Chaffees. In reality only two Chaffees saw battle there in December 1944.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_8d87f92f	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Tanks, but No Tanks / int_8d87f92f	comment	Red Dawn (1984) had the mistake in-movie where one of the cast called a ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" Self-Propelled-Anti-Aircraft-Gun a tank. Granted these were typical high school kids with no formal military knowledge. The film did have rather accurate T-72 mock-ups, to the extent that (allegedly) the CIA demanded to know where the film-makers got them.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_9246abec	comment	In Is Paris Burning?, an American M24 Chaffee was mocked up as a German Panther.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_933a757d	comment	Battlefield Play4Free has the so-called "light tanks", which are actually LAV-25 & BTR-90 APCs.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_937d01ca	comment	The "German" tanks featured in Patton were quite obviously postwar, American-made Spanish-owned tanks, which amusingly were M48 Pattons. The American tanks were postwar M41 Walker-Bulldogs.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_969d3d9	comment	Valkyrie has some fairly good Panzer IV mock-ups during the opening Africa scenes, with the caveat that a few elements (notably the tracks and turret) are grossly disproportionate when compared to the real thing. The camera angles try their best to hide this, but in some shots it's very noticeable.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_989298d3	comment	World of Tanks tries to avert this, naturally, and includes some tanks that never got off of the drawing board. However many, if not most of the vehicles described as "Tank Destroyers" are actually "Assault Guns" - designed for anti-fortification use and infantry support rather than fighting other AFVs. This may have to do with how neither types of combat appear in World of Tanks, being exactly what it says on the tin. However, see the TV Tropes Wiki category below; the definition of a "tank destroyer" gets really complicated, and the game reflects the opposing design philosophies of various nations. In the Chinese tech tree, it becomes apparent that Wargaming's definition of "never got off the drawing board" really means "an engineer idly doodled it on a napkin while waiting for his coffee to be served and then threw away". Fortunately most of the more egregious examples are premium or collectors vehicles... Inverted in the American tank destroyer line with the Tier IX T30. Despite being classified as a tank destroyer, in real life the T30 was a heavy tank. It got stuffed into being a tank destroyer because of its massive 155mm cannon, which is dramatically more powerful than any other American tank's.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_98aaaaca	comment	In another Vietnam War game, Men of Valor, the NVA "tank" is actually a BMP APC.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_9a8bf274	comment	Command & Conquer is a series that has made tanks out of anything - even vehicles that are not tanks. The first game used upgunned M2 Bradley IFVs as the Brotherhood of Nod's "Light tank" (although Nod's modifications appear to have removed the infantry-carrying capacitynote the game has the mechanical ability to let combat vehicles carry infantry — it is used by the APC — and at least part of the dev team were aware that Bradleys were IFVs as GDI is seen using them as exactly that in one cinematic, so by some definitions they would be tanks). Renegade, due to its art-style shift to match the more-futuristic Tiberian Sun, changed them into proper small (and quite low-profile) tanks. In Command & Conquer: Generals, America's tanks are called "Crusader" and "Paladin", referring to the canceled XM2001 Crusader and M109A6 Paladin, both of which are self-propelled howitzers (artillery) rather than tanks. And then we have the GLA Marauder tanks, which are actually turretless assault guns, microwave "tanks" that are simply mobile active denial systems, Chinese Gatling "tanks" that are simply up-armored SPAAGs, etc. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 provides the Allied Prism Tank (an artillery vehicle) and, in the expansion, Yuri's Gattling (sic) Tank (an anti-personnel and anti-air light vehicle), the latter of which precedes Generals's mistake with China's Gatling Tanksnote admittedly, the Red Alert timeline diverged after the term tank was introduced but before its definition was nailed down, so it does have a possible excuse.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_9b20d10c	comment	The movie Stripes presents us with a scene set behind the Iron Curtain, in which a "Russian" tank menaces some of the heroes. It is clearly an M48/M60 series tank with a few visual mods tacked on.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_9f900207	comment	An example of in-universe misidentification in one of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault expansions, Spearhead. After you successfully parachuted into France on the 6th of June 1944, you meet up with your British allies and are about to head off on your assigned mission. Suddenly, one of the Brits shouts "TIGER TANK!"...and then you turn around and find out it's not a Tiger Tank but is, in fact, a Panzer IV. This was actually a common occurrence in real life, since most Allied soldiers were ignorant of the different German tank models or how common each type was, and if they saw a Panzer approaching they would be quick to see it as whatever they were most afraid of, which was the Tiger. As Nick Moran points out in "Myths of American Armor", the later Panzer IVs (specifically the H and J models) had blocky shapes, plus extra turret skirts and long guns with a large muzzle brake which made them look superficially similar to a Tiger at a distance, and if a guy sees that through his telescope heâ€™s going to think "TIGER!" and start frantically reacting instead of sitting there counting the number of road wheels on it to make sure.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_a20b41eb	comment	The BMPT "Terminator" and its variants in Armored Warfare were reclassed from AFV to Tank Destroyer. The developers admitted that this isn't accurate to real life, but it better reflects their capability and role in the game as heavily-armored damage dealers. The AFV class as a whole is a mish-mash of vehicles that don't fit neatly into other classes. While the most prominent members of the class are IFVs, it also includes self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (M247 Sergeant York, ZSU-23-4 Shilka), scout vehicles (FV107 Scimitar, Panhard CRAB, RST-V Shadow), and multiple rocket launch system (SBS Pindad, MT-LB S8). About the only things that unite all of these vehicles are their stealth, high vision range, and light-to-nonexistent armor.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_a2174d23	comment	On 'Allo 'Allo!, Lieutenant Gruber is very proud of what he calls his "little tank". It's actually an SdKfz 222, a small four-wheeled armoured car used by the Germans for recon and runabout duties.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_b3129c97	comment	Downfall, despite showing very accurate historical levels in uniforms and equipment, there's a very poor mock-up of a Tiger I tank in one scene (the one where Schenck heads towards the abandoned hospital), which is otherwise jarring for a film that shows its work. However, the film does show accurate T-34-85s used by the Soviets.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_b54f6590	comment	Magnificent Warriors, yet another film featuring Japanese invaders set in the Second World War, have them using modern-day American Abrams Tank instead.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_b5f08143	comment	Saving Private Ryan had 2/3 scale mock-ups of Tiger tanks based on the chassis of Soviet T-34s and almost genuine (see below) Marder III tank destroyers (confusingly referred to as "panzers" by the Americans, but then, see Real Life below to see why they're not wrong). A 20mm flak gun deserves mention as well; often encountered during the war, seldom seen in movies. The half-tracks were mostly Czechoslovakian copies of the German Sdkf 250 built after the war and the assault guns were based on post-war British FV432 chassis. The vehicles representing Marder IIIs were modified Czechoslovakian Panzer 38(t)s (one of them a Swedish licence-built model). This was in fact the vehicle that the Marder III was based on in the first place, for bonus recursive accuracy points. While the Marders may seem tactically out-of-place (poorly-armoured tank destroyers have no business taking on infantry units in urban settings, after all), tank destroyers and artillery vehicles were occasionally deployed in the infantry support role when more conventional tanks or dedicated Sturmgeschutz armoured vehicles were not available. All said, it is reasonably justifiable, especially considering that the Heer units just behind the beaches had an absolute parking lot of old armoured vehicles and a Marder (of any type) would be one of the BETTER ones available.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_b7ec9cb7	comment	Player Unknowns Battle Grounds has an air-droppable BRDM armoured car which players are incessantly referring to as a tank, despite the fact that, unlike the real one, it doesn't even have a weapon turret, and it goes up in a fireball like any other vehicle in the game when you fire enough rifle ammo into it.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_b834beb1	comment	Fury averted this. While the Sherman tanks seen are, well, Shermans (M4A3E8 "Easy Eight" models to be exact, thoroughly appropriate for the last days of the war), the film crew managed to get their hands on the above-mentioned Tiger 131, making its second appearance in a movie 68 years after Theirs is the Glory.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_bbe95ad7	comment	In the "real close, but not quite" we have the classic "starring Bogart" Sahara (1943). "Lulubelle" is an actual M3 tank, which is appropriate to the period (the Gazala battles), and several of the American training crews did end up getting into battle (on the "wrong" side of Africa). The problem is, it's a Lee (the US Army version), not a Grant (British version, the turret design's the give away). The Brits did get Lee's by Lend-Lease later, but not during those battles. And Lees in British service were all vectored to India and Burma where the Japanese had nothing to match them, and their armament and firepower made them ideal vehicles for jungle fighting.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_bcadd7cb	comment	Warhammer 40,000: The core rulebook uses the word "tank" for a subclass of vehicles. Taking a closer look at what most of the wide range of "tanks" are, it's clear that "tank" is being used to replace the words "armored fighting vehicle" (because saying "armored fighting vehicle" in casual gameplay is annoying and boring). Indeed, most of the supplementary material is a lot better, correctly applying terms like "infantry fighting vehicle". It doesn't help that the Space Marine tanks known as Razorback and Predator, are based on the Rhino APC hull, possibly inspired by the Fire Support Vehicle variants of the M 113 A 1 APC; this is now a common way to make a tank for a wargame, and multiple manufacturers are guilty of it. Similarly, most Imperial Guard vehicles use maybe three or four chassis with variants equipped with different weapons. The Leman Russ tank has different turrets depending on what they're intended to go after (infantry, Power Armor-wearing infantry, light vehicles, other tanks, Titans...), but the Chimera chassis has the most variation, being using as IFV (Chimera), artillery (Basilisk), flamethrower (Hellhound), Anti-Air (Hydra), scout/C&C (Salamander)... This is because all Imperial tech is based on Standard Template Constructs, digital blueprints that allow for standardized equipment across the galaxy.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_bf797086	comment	Children of Men's famous cityfighting scene features an obsolete Chieftain tank, presumably because the film-makers couldn't get their hands on a state-of-the-art Challenger II. Though given the state of the UK, and the world in general, it's not inconceivable that a few Chieftains would be reactivated, supported by Government troops using mix of weapons and equipment, including both the L85 and the G36 rifles (the latter not actually in use by the present-day British Armed Forces).
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_c007e9c8	comment	Played with in Space: Above and Beyond. In the episode "Pearly", the protagonists are in danger of being overrun by enemy forces when they take shelter inside an Awesome Personnel Carrier. The driver of the vehicle insists that it is in fact a tank, not an APC. By all appearances, Pearly probably should be considered an APC, since it's relatively roomy inside with space for a squad of Marines to ride around in it. On the other hand, at the climax, it goes toe-to-toe with a Chig Hover Tank and wins, which most APCs aren't capable of (which probably makes it an IFV instead). This is even funnier because in this show's setting, "Tank" is a highly derogatory term used to describe InVitro humans, genetically engineered and grown in factories to be cheap labor and soldiers for an earlier war the humans fought. Two of the Wildcards, including their commander, Lieutenant Colonel T.C. McQueen, are InVitros, which results in the driver being briefly Mistaken for Racist.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_c0589b98	comment	Call of Duty: Black Ops III has one in the level Demon Within where the player is in the Dying Dream of Sarah Hall and gets transported to the Battle of the Bulge and faces off against a Tiger II. At one point Hall refers to it as if it were a standard Tiger tank but at the same time references its nickname, the King Tiger.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_c43df4d8	comment	A Challenger I showed up in Doctor Who as part of the forces who shoot down the Racnoss mothership. While such modern vehicles are rare to see in fictional media - especially science-fiction - Challengers, as main battle tanks, are not exactly optimised for anti-aircraft duties. Somewhat justified as this was basically the equivalent of a first responder tank that got rolled out to deal with the sudden and entirely unexpected appearance of an Alien Spacecraft over downtown London. Though someone who knew their DW Lore might wonder what UNIT and Torchwood were doing while this took place...
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_c4a1d59e	comment	Call of Duty: The original Call of Duty has an early level where you need to take out "Flak Panzers" that are really MÃ¶belwagens. Not an example itself due to details mentioned in the Real Life folder, but what makes it become this trope is they are all armed Flakvierling 38s when in reality only one prototype used one of these before the Germans decided on the FlaK 43. Call of Duty: World at War features several destroyed Tiger II tanks in the level set in Stalingrad 1942 a full 2 years before the real Tiger II entered service. It was not even on the drawling board in 1942. A later level has the player control what is called in-game a T-34-85 despite A) you are playing a rifleman, and a private at that; and B) the tank has a flamethrower, meaning it is an OT-34-85. Call of Duty: Black Ops III has one in the level Demon Within where the player is in the Dying Dream of Sarah Hall and gets transported to the Battle of the Bulge and faces off against a Tiger II. At one point Hall refers to it as if it were a standard Tiger tank but at the same time references its nickname, the King Tiger. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II's version of the Ground War multiplayer mode includes two tracked vehicles, the IAV from the 2019 game as the "Light Tank", and a newly-added "Heavy Tank". Despite its name, the Light Tank is not a tank, but rather a Bradley with an autocannon, while the Heavy Tank, while actually visibly being a tank, is a weird mixture of a vaguely T-90-ish turret on the body of a Merkava.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_c8c98633	comment	Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 provides the Allied Prism Tank (an artillery vehicle) and, in the expansion, Yuri's Gattling (sic) Tank (an anti-personnel and anti-air light vehicle), the latter of which precedes Generals's mistake with China's Gatling Tanksnote admittedly, the Red Alert timeline diverged after the term tank was introduced but before its definition was nailed down, so it does have a possible excuse.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_cbb26f89	comment	In The Beast of War the eponymous beast is in fact a Ti-67; a T-54/55 captured by Israel from Egypt or Syria, refitted with new armament, seats, optics et al., and pressed into Israeli service.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_cc503e93	comment	Mostly averted in BattleTech, which uses the generic "Combat Vehicle" for equipment that doesn't rely on legs for propulsion. "Tanks" are (generally) restricted to actual tanks equipped with treads, though some wheeled (like the Chevalier 8-wheeled light tank) vehicles and a variety of hovercraft are also called tanks. The Hetzer - an expy of the German Tank destroyer from World War II - is a wheeled combat vehicle in the "tank" category, though the tank's numerous failings such as having almost no armor and often arriving from the factory only partially assembled show the distinction is important. Among all chassis types, treads are the best for tanks due to them being less susceptible to poor terrain like wheels and hovercraft are, and being harder to disable.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_cd76cb30	comment	Averted in the Russian film 9th Company. Despite it's historical inaccuracies made in the name of drama, it correctly distinguishes between tanks (primarily early and mid-model T-72s that were less common than later variants when the film was made) and infantry fighting vehicles (exclusively early BMP-2s, probably due to reasons of availability).
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_cf98de53	comment	The original Call of Duty has an early level where you need to take out "Flak Panzers" that are really MÃ¶belwagens. Not an example itself due to details mentioned in the Real Life folder, but what makes it become this trope is they are all armed Flakvierling 38s when in reality only one prototype used one of these before the Germans decided on the FlaK 43.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_cfa9f56a	comment	Averted by Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter, which correctly differentiates tanks, APCs, IFVs, and mobile artillery.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_dda72858	comment	In The Iron Giant, the tanks that the Giant battles during the climax are M41 Bulldogs, and for the most part they're portrayed accurately. The artistic license comes in when the Giant destroys them. The animators take care to show the crews of each tank escaping before they are blown up (presumably so as not to contradict the movie's anti-violence Aesop), but only two people are shown coming out of each tank. The M41 had a crew of four in real life.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_e694aadb	comment	Ciaphas Cain: Duty Calls gives an In-Universe example when a news report claims Cain used a tank to prevent a dirigible loaded with promethium (basically the Hindenburg IN SPACE!) from being crashed into a city. In reality Cain used a Chimera, a type of infantry fighting vehicle.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_e7327ca8	comment	Famously averted in the Steven Spielberg comedy 1941 (1979) which used an accurate full-scale replica of an M3 medium tank built on the chassis of another one of the huge family of M3/M4 based vehicles. Just another reason why this movie went so spectacularly over budget.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_edb91981	comment	Call of Duty: World at War features several destroyed Tiger II tanks in the level set in Stalingrad 1942 a full 2 years before the real Tiger II entered service. It was not even on the drawling board in 1942. A later level has the player control what is called in-game a T-34-85 despite A) you are playing a rifleman, and a private at that; and B) the tank has a flamethrower, meaning it is an OT-34-85.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_ee384546	comment	The Basilisk the Aldecaldos can get their hands on in Cyberpunk 2077 is, as several characters note, a floating armored cargo transport with some self-defense weaponry that's also obsolete outside third-rate militaries, but considering the things it's going against aren't more dangerous than some desert raiders and their vehicles, everyone treats it as they would a normal tank.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_ee66462b	comment	The armored vehicle that the Kingdom of Science builds in Dr. STONE is called a tank, even though it clearly has wheels rather than treads and has a single-use cannon. Semi-justified, since the terminology may be different in Japanese, and none of the villagers have ever even seen a wheel before, let alone a tank (and none of the people from The Before Times (Senku, Gen, Taiju, and Yuzuriha) who are involved in making it were involved in or interested in the military, so they probably don't care about the distinction).
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_eeaaec28	comment	An odd example occurs in Martian Successor Nadesico when the Mecha pilots battle alien-possessed WWII German Tiger tanks from an abandoned tank factory in Kursk, Russia.
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_f3464a68	comment	Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen also runs into this in the final battle with footage being shown of M1A2 Abrams being transported on Marine hovercraft only for the NEST team being seen supported by M1A1 Abrams and M2 Bradley IFVs (the latter of which are only used by the Army, the Marines use the lighter LAV-25).
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Tanks, but No Tanks / int_faffc1c4	comment	7 Man Army has a Japanese army that primarily uses American Sherman tanks, instead of the classic Chi-ha tanks the Japanese used during the Second World War.
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A Bridge Too Far / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
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71: Into the Fire / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Stalingrad (1993) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Stripes / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The 7th Company / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Battle of Neretva / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Big Red One / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Bridge at Remagen / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The 7th Company / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
To Hell and Back (1955) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
White Tiger / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Adolf Hitler: My Part in His Downfall / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Black Tide Rising / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Ciaphas Cain / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Stray Cat Strut / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Four Horsemen Universe / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Guns of Navarone / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
AudieMurphy	seeAlso	Tanks, but No Tanks
Dr. STONE (Manga) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
'Allo 'Allo! / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Enlisted / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Gary Tank Commander / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Hogan's Heroes / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
SEAL Team / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Sons of Guns / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Pacific / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Rat Patrol / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Battlefield V (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Call of Duty: Vanguard (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Command & Conquer: Generals (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Empire Earth (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
F.I.S.T.: Forged in Shadow Torch (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
From the Depths (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Just Cause (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Just Cause 3 (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
MechWarrior (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Metal Gear Solid V (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Metal Max (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Red Orchestra (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Strike Series (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Battle of Polytopia (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Forgotten (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
World in Conflict (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
World of Tanks (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Sniper Elite III / Videogame / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Vietcong (Video Game) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
BlacktailDefense	seeAlso	Tanks, but No Tanks
Freeman's Mind (Web Video) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
What the Cut (Web Video) / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
The Iron Giant / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks
Girls und Panzer / int_9751f6eb	type	Tanks, but No Tanks

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