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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget

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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget	comment	The character is an explicit good guy. Either in order to achieve a goal, or by being forced into doing so by someone else, they do what needs to be done. The By-the-Book Cop beats a confession out of the Serial Killer who will go free otherwise. The Paragon uses their Superpowered Evil Side to defeat an invincible foe. The White Mage breaks their oath to never use the power of light as a weapon in order to stop an evil that can be taken down no other way. Taking such a morally grey action is a technically neutral action, and in theory, it should be possible to use it to achieve the goal in question without permanently crossing the Moral Event Horizon. But The Dark Side doesn't work like that. By its very nature, Evil Feels Good, and there are few highs like being Drunk on the Dark Side. It Gets Easier and easier to choose the dark side. The hero begins Slowly Slipping Into Evil, gradually drifting further and further away from what they once were, and eventually, they will be a completely different person from before they crossed this line. The Fallen Hero starts Kicking The Morality Pet and Jumping Off the Slippery Slope. And when called out on this, they may simply embrace their new role as villain. This is a fairly common method of enacting a Faceâ€“Heel Turn or making an evil character sympathetic — but not too sympathetic — as in a sense it makes the evil character themselves a victim of evil. Sure they had a good reason, at some point. But not anymore. In a particularly bad case, the character might not even remember what their original motive was, and substitute the old goal with explicitly evil ones. The redeemable ones can usually be reminded at the last minute, or sometimes they figure it out for themselves — though they may still keep going. Often the justification for Motive Decay. Compare to He Who Fights Monsters and It Gets Easier. Related to The Corruption, Dark Is Evil, Bad Powers, Bad People (especially when it starts out as Bad Powers, Good People). Examples
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_137d7106	comment	WitchCraft SMP: While Scott's initial motive for learning necromancy and soul magic and trying to win the Witch Trials is to bring his partner Back from the Dead, as he becomes more powerful, he starts slipping towards wanting to become more powerful for the sake of it. To his credit, he's confronted about it in the finale, he's able to recognize the corrupting effects of powerful magic and chooses to give up on it as a requirement to return to his original motive.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_1858fe06	comment	Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics): Dimitri, Knuckles's ancestor, once sought to restore the Floating Island to its original home in the ground and after his plan to siphon the energies of the Chaos Emeralds was rejected he still went ahead with it, believing he could fix their home. The machine overloaded and infused him with the Chaos Energies and he was reborn as the villain Enerjak. In his new role, he simply sought a technological empire with him at its head, Drunk on the Dark Side with his God-like powers. After being de-powered though, Dimitri's sanity gradually returns and he eventually pulls a Heelâ€“Face Turn, his old beliefs in helping his people having resurfaced.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_187d570b	comment	In Devil May Cry 5, Big Bad Urizen is so obsessed with obtaining power at any cost that he no longer remembers his past as Vergil or the reason he wanted power in the first place. At most, all he has is a vague sense of having lost something important to him and believes that power will fill that hole. In fact, this lack of motivation is why in the end he lost to Dante who actually has something he wants to protect. Vergil's human half V, on the other hand, does remember everything. Including the parts he really wishes he couldn't.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_1cc09117	comment	Possibly Gin Ichimaru from Bleach. It seems he originally started plotting to kill Aizen as revenge for his underlings attacking Rangiku in her youth. Now over a century later he still tried to kill Aizen, but he was willing to wound Rangiku to accomplish that. He seems to have lost track of himself a long time ago. This may be a fusion of The Dark Side Will Make You Forget and Becoming the Mask, though. Hundred years of undercover that's actually pretty fun will do that to you.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_1e9828c4	comment	Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan: Abe no Seimei's Start of Darkness occurred when his mother, Hagoromo Gitsune, was mortally wounded by humans. Upon his rebirth as the Nue, his very first act is to cast his mother, who had been through numerous reincarnations and had been trying to bring him back for centuries, into Hell.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_1f140feb	comment	The Silmarillion: Melkor/Morgoth started out wanting to create something of his own and devolved into wanting to destroy everything he personally hadn't created.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_2192aeb3	comment	Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade This was the revelation about Nergal learned in chapter 19xx, the most difficult bonus chapter to receive in the game. It turns out that Nergal is the father of Nils and Ninian. His research of the dark arts was so that he could find a way to open the Dragon's Gate and be reunited with his children. His use of dark magic so corrupted his mind that he forgot the second half of this motive, and ended up concluding that the reason he wanted to open Dragon's Gate was so he could destroy the world with dragons For the Evulz. It's stated by at least two other sources that this is what happens to anyone who dabbles with dark magic for too long, though as Bramimond demonstrates, they won't necessarily turn evil afterwards. Although it still doesn't display a terribly good fate for those who work with elder magic, as Bramimond is shown to have no personality of its own, merely mimicking the mannerisms of whoever it is speaking to. The lack of gendered pronouns in the previous sentence is a result of this — Athos initially calls it a "he" before switching to genderless pronouns and explaining that the true Bramimond is long gone and that the being they were speaking to was little more than a living mirror. This is corroborated by Canas and the chapter 19xx boss, Teodor. Canas hails from a family of dark magic users, and is the last of his brothers to still retain his identity — the others have become essentially comatose, their minds dissolved by exposure to magic. Teodor, an extraordinarily strong boss for that point in the game, claims that any true scholar must pay the price in pursuit of ultimate knowledge. Fire Emblem: Awakening: Supports in SpotPass reveal this to be the case with Gangrel, the first Arc Villain of the game. Walhart's conquest of the continent of Valm worried Gangrel, causing him to start his own unification plan that involved uniting Plegia, Ferox, and Ylisse under himself so that they could stand up to the Valmese Empire. The power he got from starting the war, and his self-imposed rush to unite the countries, went to his head and caused Motive Decay; by the time of the game's beginning, his only real motive is deliberately provoking open war with Ylisse for the hell of it.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_23553960	comment	Discussed in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain:note Here, Skull Face states that no matter how much hatred you immerse yourself in to dull the loss and suffering that led you to hate in the first place, the pain will never cease; whether or not you become a mindless beast, your pain will make you ugly and twisted.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_2a8943c0	comment	Miraculous Ladybug fanfiction Spellbound (Lilafly): Felix prepares himself for a Samhain revel by "unrooting" himself from the material world. It's a necessary part of protecting his mind and the secrets he carries, but it leaves him emotionally adrift for months afterwards. And after he consumes a tormented soul, his magic power increases but his empathy is permanently damaged.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_2d316bc0	comment	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012): Shredder's love for Tang Shen, and her choosing Splinter over him, is his primary reason for turning evil. By the time of "Requiem," he's fallen so far that he no longer seems to care about Tang Shen at all, having absolutely zero qualms against mocking Shen's death to Karai's face by declaring that it's fitting that Karai will die in the same manner as her mother.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_2e3e7ac2	comment	Justice League: The Justice Lords were created after Lex Luthor became president and concocted a scheme that ended up killing their version of the Flash and putting the world on the brink of annihilation. No longer willing to stand by, Superman led the other Justice League members to rid the world of crime forever, by ruling over it with an iron fist, arresting or lobotomizing anyone who resisted. When they ended up fighting the Justice League of the show in a dimension-hopping plot, Justice Lord Superman hesitates to deliver the killing blow when confronting the alternate Flash. Flash recognizes that he's the last reminder of Lord Superman's conscience, but Superman eventually brushes aside those feelings.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_2f3b380a	comment	Roderick Burgess from The Sandman (2022) makes an attempt to summon and imprison Death, and does so at least in part because he wants Death to return his son Randall to life, which gives him a more sympathetic motive than his comic book counterpart, who only ever wanted immortality and power. When the spell goes awry and catches Death's brother Dream instead, Burgess is quick to drop any more sympathetic motivations after he steals Dream's magical tools and starts using them for his own material benefit.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_30a5ebfd	comment	Naruto Sasuke is a poster child for this. While he was always firstly driven by his wish to take vengeance upon his brother for murdering their family, his time in Konoha made him connect to the members of his team. The lure of revenge was too great until he decided to break those ties. His motives have rapidly degenerated after joining with Tobi. Initially after learning of the truth behind his brother's murder of his clan, Sasuke simply wanted revenge against the Village Elders who manipulated him. Now he won't settle for anything less than the complete genocide of anyone who lives in Konoha. There's some hints that Sasuke is being influenced by something (Madara claims the Uchiha bloodline is The Dark Side), probably an Author's Saving Throw given that during the summit arc, he rather suddenly turns into a cardboard villain after gaining Susanoo (amongst other things, he abandoned another set of teammates that he seemed to care about earlier, who in the previous arc had saved him from being killed). Orochimaru was revealed to be a victim of this. The horrors of war and realization of his own mortality gradually twisted his dream of living long enough to meet his reincarnated parents into a tangible goal of discovering immortality.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_35e05f2a	comment	Cinder Fall from RWBY originally just wanted to be free of her enslavement. After killing her tormentors and her mentor, she was found by Salem, who twisted her desire for freedom into a hunger for power. In the present day, she has become so desperate for power that she's accepted Salem as another master to achieve it, sacrificing the freedom she once wanted so badly.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_383c39a5	comment	Downplayed in With This Ring. The protagonist merges with the Ophidian to save his friends and while Paulphidian is still largely benevolent and supports the good guys, they cannot feel any emotion besides Avarice and so they longer understand why they are so attached to them. They have completely forgotten what feeling emotions are like.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_3b34143f	comment	Harry Potter: Severus Snape started out as a socially awkward but well-meaning young boy who desperately craved friendship, but due to his increasing bitterness over being bullied by James Potter and his gang, as well as the influence of his highly prejudiced friends, he began to become more accepting of Dark Magic and eventually called Lily Evans (the only person who truly cared for him) a mudblood, alienating her from him, while (according to Word of God) his desperate desire for friends led him to become a Death Eater.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_3c33bf0f	comment	In Demon: The Fallen, Demons are able to tap into their Torment and unleash terribly destructive powers against their enemies. Unfortunately, the Tormented powers they use as a weapon leave a stain on their soul that becomes progressively more difficult to remove.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_41b0198a	comment	The Dresden Files: This is the reason why the punishment for breaking the Laws of Magic is always death- Black Magic is inherently corrupting and addictive, so by the time the White Council has found out about a warlock they're probably hip-deep in this trope and zooming towards the Moral Event Horizon if they haven't passed it already. The FBI agents in who became hexenwulfen to take down Marcone are described in these terms, their original goal buried under the evil influence of the belts. Harry briefly experiences it for himself when he uses the belt just once. Also many of the Denarians. In Changes, after Harry takes on the mantle of the Winter Knight, Sanya tells him there is always a way back to the light so long as he doesn't forget what he was fighting for.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_43576f5	comment	Sam Winchester from Supernatural starts out trying to make the best of his Blessed with Suck-y demon powers by using them to exorcise demons, hoping to avenge his brother's death at the hands of Lilith. Even when Dean comes Back from the Dead, Sam remains obsessed with killing Lilith, thinking this will prevent the Apocalypse. With Ruby as his mentor, Sam eventually drinks demon blood to fuel his powers and gets addicted to the stuff. Dean stages a failed intervention and the brothers have a fight which ends in Sam trying to choke Dean and walking out on him. Sam then lets Ruby bleed a possessed woman to gain enough power to finally kill Lilith, knowing this should permanently alter him but expecting to die in the attempt, only to learn that Lilith's death was the final seal that had to be broken to free Lucifer.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_45599333	comment	It's explicitly mentioned in Tower of God that, on their way to the top, only a rare few remember the reason they originally wanted to climb the tower. Most forget it amidst the power and riches they encounter and don't realise it until much later, if ever.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_474c18c1	comment	Daisy Fitzroy, the leader of the Vox Populi in BioShock Infinite, ends up thinking she has to kill children of upper-class parents on the chance they become Corrupt Corporate Executives. The DLC Burial At Sea subverts this, it shows that this was a Batman Gambit she was doing to get Elizabeth to kill her on behalf of the Lucene twins. She had no intentions of harming Fink's son for real, and was very upset when it was first suggested to her.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_49a87cb3	comment	Case of the Lifestream, a Final Fantasy VII novella, shows that Sephiroth considers memories of his friends, appearance, and childhood "unimportant" compared with his contempt for humanity.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_49ad83ee	comment	Prince Arthas, particularly in Warcraft IIInote (World of Warcraft arguably doesn't count because the Lich King had mind melded with him). Arthas started out wanting to stop the undead scourge; then he wanted to kill Mal'Ganis to avenge the people who had been killed or turned by the undead. Then he becomes a Death Knight, travels back to civilization, and immediately starts killing people. While the descent started a bit earlier, the Artifact of Doom Frostmourne (and its corrupting influence) was the part that made him completely forget that he ever cared about keeping people alive in the first place. It still counts in World of Warcraft as, for the better part of the time between his ascent to the Frozen Throne and Wrath of the Lich King, Arthas has been in a torpor reflecting on his actions in his rise to power, as detailed in the book Arthas: Rise of the Lich King. By the end, Arthas comes to terms with using The Dark Side, and actually overpowers and assimilates Ner'Zhul, taking his power and becoming the sole force of will behind the Lich King.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_4cd32aa7	comment	At one point in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, the use of necromancy drove you insane, so that no matter why you started practicing it you ended up a would-be world conqueror with an army of the dead. This has been relaxed, with necromancy being dark, creepy, and mostly used by evil people, but it doesn't have to be. A straighter example would be the Chaos Warrior career chain in second edition. The descriptions for each class bluntly describe that, with every step up the chain, the character forgets more and more of their past, gradually creating a new identity for themselves until they suffer a total Death of Personality.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_51455a02	comment	In Claymore, overusing your power will transform you into a monster who forgets that eating human entrails is quite rude. The reason that a Claymore tends to overuse her power is often to protect people from monsters much like these. That being said, some of these monsters (called awakened beings in-universe) - particularly if they're powerful or important enough - retain much or most of their knowledge, up to even trying to maintain friendly relationships with their loved ones in some cases (though this only seems to work out when the loved ones in question become awakened beings as well). At least one has established a fatherly connection to younger characters (including a normal human, which seems like the only food awakened beings like) a very long time after his transformation. Even then, though, he continued to be an evil bastard not far from an Omnicidal Maniac including of his own kind.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_526d4c5c	comment	Knights of the Old Republic Yuthura Ban. If you ask her about her Backstory, she'll admit to first becoming a Sith because she had spent her adolescence as a slave to the Hutts and she wanted the power to free others who suffered like she had. She'll admit to being surprised at not having thought about that motive for years, and you can even call attention to the fact that Sith training runs counter to it (a full-fledged Sith wouldn't care). This is actually important for your final confrontation with her. She is one of the few people who'll accept the Last-Second Chance you give if you've shaken her faith previously. The sequel explains that this also happened to Revan. Malak started out as Revan's right-hand man and one of the Jedi who wanted to get out there and actually save the Republic. After bathing in the Dark Side, he betrayed his closest friend, then started trying to take over the Republic himself.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_53a73ca0	comment	Star Wars: The Clone Wars Asajj Ventress spent many of her early years training under a Jedi who treated her with respect and seemed like the happiest days of her life. Then her master gets killed, she goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge, Dooku recruits her, she is now his apprentice and she goes around killing Jedi in revenge for not being there for her master. She and the Nightsisters did this with Savage Opress. They used some sort of Dark Magic, to transform Savage into a monstrous giant, who killed his brother when Asajj ordered him to do so. Earlier he became Asajj's slave willingly, in exchange for said brother's freedom.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_56e10d85	comment	Tolkien's Legendarium: The Lord of the Rings: Trying to use evil methods to accomplish noble ends always makes those who choose it eventually forget their original, good, purposes. Gandalf states that he would begin using the Ring out of pity and a desire to do good but that it would eventually make him another Dark Lord. During the Council of Elrond, Elrond states that "if any of the Wise should with this Ring overthrow the Lord of Mordor, using his own arts, he would then set himself on Sauron's throne, and yet another Dark Lord would appear. And that is another reason why the Ring should be destroyed: as long as it is in the world it will be a danger even to the Wise. For nothing is evil in the beginning. Even Sauron was not so." Saruman in studying Sauron and Ring lore came to envy him. He forgot his purpose in opposing Sauron and began imitating him, trying to set himself up as a dark lord. When Frodo offers her the Ring, Galadriel says that she would become a new Queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible and that "All shall love me and despair!" but she resists the temptation to take it. The Ringwraiths are said to have all originally sought knowledge, and immortality, and used their rings to become great kings and sorcerers, but eventually they became completely dominated by Sauron's deceptions, enslaved to their rings, and were just extensions of his own will with no desires of their own. The Silmarillion: Melkor/Morgoth started out wanting to create something of his own and devolved into wanting to destroy everything he personally hadn't created. The Fall of NÃºmenor: Sauron, originally Morgoth's lieutenant, originally felt the world would be a better place with the imposition of his order. Eventually he just wanted the power that came with ruling.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_5755b96a	comment	Vaarsuvius goes through this in The Order of the Stick. He/she accepts a Deal with the Devil to gain the power needed to save his/her family from a dragon with a grudge. After killing the dragon, he/she zombifies what's left of her so he can commit genocide on her extended family while she watches. And then, his/her spouse insists she relinquish the power right now, Vaarsuvius refuses and leaves to "fix everything", and ultimately loses the power anyway in an ill-fated attack on the Big Bad. The worst part? The Fiend Corporation who gave them this power outright lied to them about the corrupting, mind-enslaving effects of black magic; the only influence it has is talking to bad people who lost their superpowers. Everything Vaarsuvius did was done of their own free will.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_5b075d7c	comment	Logan from Fable III is a subversion. He never forgot what drove him to tyranny.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_5bd0554b	comment	More often than not, this happens to people who use fel magic in Warcraft setting. Fel will slowly corrupt the user, turning them evil; in the end, they're likely to join the world-destroying Burning Legion in order to get more power. Examples: Demonic or fel influence: Sargeras, Archimonde, Kil'Jaeden, Kael'Thas, Illidan Stormrage, essentially every warlock, fel orcs/elves, Azshara, Ner'zhul, Gul'Dan (he was a huge jerk anyway but he got worse) and several others. Sargeras was once The Paragon of Good itself and is more of a case of He Who Fights Monsters when he realized all he was fighting for would be for nothing if (and in his eyes, when) the Void Lords successfully managed to corrupt a sleeping Titan and turn all of creation into a hellhole and his fellow Titans refused to help him, so he decided to purge all creation in fire and destruction in the faint hope the universe would start again better prepared to fight off the corruption of the Void Lords. In this case, demonic energy didn't turn him evil so much as change his appearance to reflect his own new nature. Gul'dan didn't have any noble goals in turning to the fel; he was just a power-hungry jerk who sold out his race to obtain that power, making him one of the few true villains in the setting who has absolutely no sympathetic qualities to him. His teacher Ner'zhul, on the other hand, did turn to the fel to help his people but also had certain selfish motivations, and he eventually loses his redeeming qualities as well. Illidan is...complicated. He originally turned to the fel partially to fight the Burning Legion during the War of the Ancients, but also because of jealousy towards his brother Malfurion and a desire to be the hero. He's done both horrible and good things with that power ever since, and he's been on both sides of the conflict and his own side; heck, he even started an order dedicated to using fel magic to kill demons with his demon hunters. These days, he's a questionably sane Wild Card who's more inclined to kill demons than Azeroth's people, but pretty much everybody's still wary of him. Necromancy: Arthas, Kel'Thuzad, Nerzhul (plus fel stuff and being selfish to start with), and all his liches like Ras Frostwhisper, some of the more prominent Death Knights... Moral of the story: using dark magics does not turn out well for whatever it was you wanted to do in the first place. Apparently, it's only in the RPG you find uncorrupt warlocks or necromancers, even though there's now a friendly (but still fairly evil) death knight faction. None of the playable or friendly warlocks in-game seem all that bad. Relatively speaking, anyway. Prince Arthas, particularly in Warcraft IIInote (World of Warcraft arguably doesn't count because the Lich King had mind melded with him). Arthas started out wanting to stop the undead scourge; then he wanted to kill Mal'Ganis to avenge the people who had been killed or turned by the undead. Then he becomes a Death Knight, travels back to civilization, and immediately starts killing people. While the descent started a bit earlier, the Artifact of Doom Frostmourne (and its corrupting influence) was the part that made him completely forget that he ever cared about keeping people alive in the first place. It still counts in World of Warcraft as, for the better part of the time between his ascent to the Frozen Throne and Wrath of the Lich King, Arthas has been in a torpor reflecting on his actions in his rise to power, as detailed in the book Arthas: Rise of the Lich King. By the end, Arthas comes to terms with using The Dark Side, and actually overpowers and assimilates Ner'Zhul, taking his power and becoming the sole force of will behind the Lich King.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_5e150650	comment	In Exalted, becoming an Akuma can result in an unusually literal version of this. So, you've made a deal with the Yozis to get the power you need — this calls for a Faustian Rebellion, right? Except that the process of becoming an Akuma excises your ability to do anything, and allows the Yozis to rearrange the inside of your head until it's more to their liking.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_5ef424cf	comment	King Lewstrom, the lich necromancer of Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic, is revealed to be this. His backstory is eventually told and involves him turning to a dark goddess in order to gain revenge on those who killed his family. Centuries later he is a lich and remembers none of this. Upon finding out, he asks his goddess why she never held up her end of the bargain. She claims she did; he out-"lived" all of his enemies.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_63053ca	comment	Trace from TwoKinds tried to resurrect his dead wife and unborn daughter with an experimental ritualnote Black magic uses a toxic type of mana that is left over when mana used in standard spells is depleted, and whatever brain damage or revelations he witnessed drove him insane and turned him into a power-hungry dictator. All the while he told himself he was still trying to resurrect his wife, he'd completely ignored her desire for peace between Humans and Keidran, going so far as to use her best friend as a test subject. Post-amnesia, he's visibly disgusted at what he did on a personal scale just to get what he wanted.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_684610	comment	Arakune in BlazBlue started out as a Well-Intentioned Extremist scientist named Lotte Carmine, who wished to use the power of the Boundary in order to achieve a discovery that would be beneficial to mankind in the long run, regardless of how many lives it cost. When he tapped into the Boundary, it twisted him into an abomination obsessed with finding and consuming the Azure Grimoire (and Ragna along with it), only occasionally remembering glimpses of his old friends Litchi and Kokonoe.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_701f0ece	comment	Berserk: It's only discussed without him in the conversation, but Guts comes to the realization that this is arguably the single biggest contrast between Griffith pre-Eclipse and Femto post-Eclipse. Both were defined entirely by their dream to rule their own kingdom, but Griffith was tempered somewhat by being (or at least pretending to be) a Byronic Hero; he was so defined by his fear of being forgotten by time that it's what causes him to come to terms with his own mortality, making something from his finite time on his Earth with everything he can muster. When he ultimately betrayed his own ideals when nobody but the God Hand were watching and became Femto, this aspect was entirely lost; he no longer had his motive to fulfill his dream, becoming so utterly defined by it that it made what he could have ever achieved with his newfound godlike powers a moot point when its simply never, ever enough for Griffith.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_74a4c704	comment	Riku goes through this in the first game. He starts out using the darkness because he wants to retrieve Kairi's heart. This eventually takes second place to his jealousy of Sora — after taking the Keyblade, losing the Keyblade, and getting his ass kicked, he's willing to open himself completely to the darkness if it means he can be stronger than Sora. Big mistake.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_76e7de99	comment	The Forgotten Realms goddess Shar holds both darkness and forgetfulness in her divine portfolio.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_77e22425	comment	Pinky and the Brain Sigmund Freud determines through hypnotism that Brain's desire to rule the world was actually created in him subversively and accidentally by the scientists at his lab. What Brain really wanted was to go back to his family, who lived in a can with a picture of the world on it. But his mind was warped by the experimentation to the point that all he could remember was his desire for that image of the world. Brain considers the possibility, but ultimately dismisses it and goes on as planned. Also, a combination of Well-Intentioned Extremist and Aesop Amnesia add up to this trope in the episode where Brain turns away from megalomania and vows to spend his life helping the victims of his obsession (first and foremost, Pinky). Despite Brain's best efforts to help prepare him, Pinky (as a tiny, dumb mouse) gets trampled and abused in the real world, prompting Brain to swear that he WILL take over the world, in order to make it a better place that would be fair and kind to people like Pinky. This motivation never comes up again, and Brain is back to abusing Pinky at will in the next episode.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_78e27fa7	comment	Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade This was the revelation about Nergal learned in chapter 19xx, the most difficult bonus chapter to receive in the game. It turns out that Nergal is the father of Nils and Ninian. His research of the dark arts was so that he could find a way to open the Dragon's Gate and be reunited with his children. His use of dark magic so corrupted his mind that he forgot the second half of this motive, and ended up concluding that the reason he wanted to open Dragon's Gate was so he could destroy the world with dragons For the Evulz. It's stated by at least two other sources that this is what happens to anyone who dabbles with dark magic for too long, though as Bramimond demonstrates, they won't necessarily turn evil afterwards. Although it still doesn't display a terribly good fate for those who work with elder magic, as Bramimond is shown to have no personality of its own, merely mimicking the mannerisms of whoever it is speaking to. The lack of gendered pronouns in the previous sentence is a result of this — Athos initially calls it a "he" before switching to genderless pronouns and explaining that the true Bramimond is long gone and that the being they were speaking to was little more than a living mirror. This is corroborated by Canas and the chapter 19xx boss, Teodor. Canas hails from a family of dark magic users, and is the last of his brothers to still retain his identity — the others have become essentially comatose, their minds dissolved by exposure to magic. Teodor, an extraordinarily strong boss for that point in the game, claims that any true scholar must pay the price in pursuit of ultimate knowledge.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_7988cb68	comment	Mass Effect The Illusive Man. He begins the game as a reasonable, if morally questionable, authority figure, but progressively gets more questionable, at least from the perspective of a Paragon Shepard. This is made worse in the third game where it is revealed that the Illusive Man and all of Cerberus got indoctrinated into serving the Reapers. For the Illusive Man anyway, this shows up so subtly that he fails to see it even when he starts huskifying his own men and not even caring when the organization he built from the ground up got burnt to the ground. Admittedly, he does see it at the end if you managed to convince him to kill himself. Played with, however, in that The Illusive man is indoctrinated. Shepard would have turned him around, but he's incapable of accepting.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_7b4f72fd	comment	In Dreamgirls, both the play and the film, the Dreamettes' manager Curtis' morally questionable actions in the first act were for the betterment of the group in the face of a racist system. Come the '70s, however, much of that racism has faded but he's still shady. At this point it's clear that his only motivation is money and being in control.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_7eceb06d	comment	Lucien in Fable II. He originally wanted to rebuild the Tattered Spire in order to revive his dead wife and daughter, and when he realizes that the protagonist is The Chosen One destined to stop him, he is visibly shaken when he has to kill you and your sister. However, after decades of building the spire on the back of slave labor and dark magic, he's completely forgotten his original purpose for building it and only wants the power. This is most obvious the second time he shoots you, in which he'll calmly state he just murdered your family in cold blood, and then kill you without a second glance.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_7fc78282	comment	The Lord of the Rings: Trying to use evil methods to accomplish noble ends always makes those who choose it eventually forget their original, good, purposes. Gandalf states that he would begin using the Ring out of pity and a desire to do good but that it would eventually make him another Dark Lord. During the Council of Elrond, Elrond states that "if any of the Wise should with this Ring overthrow the Lord of Mordor, using his own arts, he would then set himself on Sauron's throne, and yet another Dark Lord would appear. And that is another reason why the Ring should be destroyed: as long as it is in the world it will be a danger even to the Wise. For nothing is evil in the beginning. Even Sauron was not so." Saruman in studying Sauron and Ring lore came to envy him. He forgot his purpose in opposing Sauron and began imitating him, trying to set himself up as a dark lord. When Frodo offers her the Ring, Galadriel says that she would become a new Queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible and that "All shall love me and despair!" but she resists the temptation to take it. The Ringwraiths are said to have all originally sought knowledge, and immortality, and used their rings to become great kings and sorcerers, but eventually they became completely dominated by Sauron's deceptions, enslaved to their rings, and were just extensions of his own will with no desires of their own.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_86c3beca	comment	Defied in Girl Genius: Baron Klaus Wulfenbach used his Spark of Genius to take over Europe, and installed a shallow copy of his own mind that takes over his son's body when he deems it necessary, but he never forgot why he did it.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8960fd02	comment	Vinland Saga: Once Canute ascends to the throne of England he finds himself doing more and more Dirty Business to hold on to his power, in order to honour the promise he made to Askeladd to build a better world. By the time he reunites with Thorfinn, the stresses of his office and the constant taunts of his Spirit Advisor has made him close to a carbon copy of his father.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8aa7c509	comment	Star vs. the Forces of Evil: Toffee eventually shapes himself as the Big Bad of the series. Word of God compares him to Magneto, as someone who is trying to do good in "the wrong way". This might explain his initial revolt, but by present time, he seems to be just a Manipulative Bastard with no end goal in mind. Eventually, this trope is downplayed. Toffee's goal of "good" is in ridding the realm of magic as he views it as dangerous and something Star comes to agree with. On the other hand, later episodes show he was always a jerk (even back as an adolescent, being reminiscent of a punk gang leader) and that his complaints seem dishonest since his race, the Septarians, are invulnerable with a strong Healing Factor that only magic can harm. Even most other monsters were afraid of his kind, making his own goals of "good" seem hypocritical when considering his race's own talents and him being afraid of something that can actually hurt him.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8b4e057	comment	Bandora from Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger turned evil after her son was killed by a Tyrannosaurus. Eventually she went mad with power and forgot all about this until her son came Back from the Dead. Her Power Rangers counterpart Rita Repulsa had a petty personality of pure evil, with her goal changed to her wanting to conquer the universe.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8ba4613a	comment	Death Note: While Light Yagami starts out killing criminals with the idea of it bringing about justice, he starts to slip once the authorities get on his case, as he begins to kill innocent people for merely getting in his way. It gets worse after the Time Skip, where he has fully bought into the idea of being the God of his own new world, and he is beginning to seriously entertain the idea of also expanding his definition of "undesirables" to people who are committing the "crime" of being unproductive to society.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8bd22b6a	comment	In Schlock Mercenary, Xinchub apparently used to be a Well-Intentioned Extremist. By the time the Toughs meet him, however, he's long since become an unrepentant Jerk With A Heart Of Jerk who's fully aware that he's "the biggest a-hole in the game". See here.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8c22af8f	comment	In Dragon Ball Super: Broly, it can be argued that Paragus might have cared about Broly in the beginning much like his 1993 counterpart, as shown by his frantic literal flight from King Vegeta's palace to rescue his son from Vampa. However, his obsessive vengeance quest eventually wore away any compassion he may have had for his boy; and compounded with four decades of isolation on a hellish Death World, warped what little remaining love he had for Broly into a sense of possessive entitlement; an all too sadly common trait among parents who hate their talented children yet still mooch off their success through guilt trips. To his credit, however, Paragus eventually remembers how much he loved Broly when he thinks he's about to lose him. Unfortunately, by the time he realizes this, Frieza had other ideas...
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8e8a801	comment	The Lion King fanfiction The Lion King Adventures: Simba. He goes from a sweet, mischievous cub to an evil, vicious killer. Initially, he's doing it to try to find a way to bring back the destroyed Pride Lands. However, it soon turns into a desire to become the greatest predator.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_8ec33a86	comment	In the first Xenoblade Chronicles 1 game, the ultimate villain of the game Zanza is shown to be an extremely malevolent and selfish entity who only sees his godhood as a means to indulge in destruction for the sake of keeping himself alive. However, the end of said game and the late game of the sequel Xenoblade Chronicles 2 elaborate that he was once Klaus, a scientist who harnessed an infinite energy source to achieve godhood so he could lead all of humanity to do the same with him. Klaus's experiment to do so resulted in him splitting across alternate universes to become the Architect, who retains his original memories and desire to save humanity, and the aforementioned Zanza, who has no memories of his original world but only pride and obsession with godhood to drive him.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_909b004d	comment	In The Transformers (IDW) continuity, the Decepticons started out as heroic freedom fighters rebelling against the corrupt Senate. But after they overthrew the Senate, Megatron slowly became convinced that he and only he was right, resulting in the Decepticons becoming conquerors. That coupled with Megatron's bigotry towards organic races and his emotional and mental manipulation of his soldiers, resulted in the Decepticons fighting for the same type of oppression that they were born to overthrow. A major part of Megatron's Heelâ€“Face Turn in The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye comes from him realising this had happened to him and working to grow beyond it.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_90c73dda	comment	Affects all the kids in Animorphs to some degree. Rachel in particular, as she can't remember what she was like before the war started.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_90f42a9b	comment	The Wheel of Time: After Rand Al'Thor channels the True Power, which is derived directly from the Dark One, he undergoes an immediate personality change, becoming incredibly paranoid, very harsh toward anyone who he perceives as threatening or even disagreeing with him, and abandoning his previous refusal to kill or harm a woman. However, the extraordinarily stressful circumstances surrounding his use of the True Power could be considered explanation enough— he had been undergoing Sanity Slippage for upwards of six books — and it may even be considered a subversion considering that he pulls a complete 180 back to the side of good after an epiphany later in the same book. It's outright stated by Rand that the reason he... freezes on the inside is that now he has (against his will, but that doesn't seem to matter to him) lucidly attempted to murder (one of) the woman he loves:
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_90f7114	comment	Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street: The title character's whole story arc is motivation decay using this trope. By the time he finally takes vengeance upon Judge Turpin, Sweeney has gone quite murderously insane and is so far gone that he fails to recognize his own daughter and tries to kill her. He's only snapped out of it in the end by the realization that the beggar woman he killed just prior to killing Turpin was none other than his wife Lucy, who Sweeney had gone on this whole thing to avenge, because his partner Mrs. Lovett didn't tell him that Lucy was still alive.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_959e6c9	comment	Dragon Quest IV has this happen to Psaro the Manslayer, who starts out thinking Humans Are the Real Monsters due to how they treated his beloved Rose and sets out to ensure she'll never be hurt again... despite her constantly begging and pleading with him to stop. Things only get worse after she's murdered by human thugs, causing him to declare he'll simply Kill All Humans. By the time the chosen ones confront him, he's used the perfected Secret of Evolution and completely lost his mind, declaring that all he remembers is his name and his hatred of humankind.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_985ad25d	comment	Dragon Ball Super: Originally, Zamasu just wanted the gods to be more involved with mortal affairs so they would stop misusing the knowledge given to them by the gods. At worst, he wanted the gods to stop protecting mortals since they're not worth it. After he meets and fights Goku, however, he goes off the deep end and decides that mortals are foolish and dangerous and need to be destroyed for the peace of the universe. To that end, he kills his own master, takes his Time Ring, uses the Super Dragon Balls to take Goku's body, and murders him and his family out of spite. By the time Zamasu (now Goku Black) reaches Earth, he's wiped out all the gods in the future timeline, is clearly insane, and sees himself as the one true god of The Multiverse along with Future Zamasu. Whatever nobility he may have had in his goals is long gone. In Dragon Ball Super: Broly, it can be argued that Paragus might have cared about Broly in the beginning much like his 1993 counterpart, as shown by his frantic literal flight from King Vegeta's palace to rescue his son from Vampa. However, his obsessive vengeance quest eventually wore away any compassion he may have had for his boy; and compounded with four decades of isolation on a hellish Death World, warped what little remaining love he had for Broly into a sense of possessive entitlement; an all too sadly common trait among parents who hate their talented children yet still mooch off their success through guilt trips. To his credit, however, Paragus eventually remembers how much he loved Broly when he thinks he's about to lose him. Unfortunately, by the time he realizes this, Frieza had other ideas...
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_997f2d2f	comment	Middle-earth: Shadow of War: Talion and Celebrimbor use Wraith Artes to mind-control Uruks and neutralize Sauron. This slowly erodes their humanity as they die repeatedly, performing war crime after war crime in between. By the end, Celebrimbor has developed full megalomania and intends to take over as a Bright Lord, enslaving man and orc for the sake of the elves. Talion eventually breaks after decades of resisting the corruption of necromancy, but manages to get out thanks to the efforts of the Fellowship of the Ring, only to completely forget his family and become a wandering spirit who forgot everything he originally stood for (signified by his abandonment of the very weapons he and Celebrimbor forged in the name of his family).
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_9a959369	comment	In Pretty Sammy, Misao Amano is an evil magical girl aiming to ruin the balance between good and evil. When she transforms into a form concerned with expressing the negative, repressed parts of her personality, however, she simply does things For the Evulz and lose sight of her original goal completely.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_9e15cc56	comment	Project Dark Jade: In the backstory of Ages of Shadow, Jade absorbed the power of the Shadowkhan in order to save her family from a villain known as the Magus King. But the process was irreversible, and after some time she became corrupted and tried to Take Over the World herself, leading to her being sealed away. Now, countless centuries later, she's now lost large chunks of her memory. The oneshot From the Shadows of the Past opens with Jade Trapped in Another World, transformed into a Shadowkhan, and acting as a villain fighting that world's superheroes as she tries to find a way home. However, after being defeated and banished to this universe's branch of the Shadow Realm, she's forced to confront the Queen who forces her to relive her Repressed Memories and face the truth — back in her own universe, she became a Fallen Hero as a result of her series of adventures eventually ending and her desperation to reclaim that lifestyle, which eventually led to a failed plot that ended with her accidentally banishing herself to this new world, where she convinced herself that she was a misunderstood victim. Sadly, this Heel Realization just makes the situation worse, as she fully accepts the Shadow Realm's power and becomes an Eldritch Abomination.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_9ff4a8d9	comment	Godzilla fanfiction Abraxas (Hrodvitnon): Ghidorah. When it first began gruesomely murdering everything in its line of sight and wiping entire planets clean of life, it was doing so because it was desperately trying to make the Old Noise — a torturous sound inside its heads which screamed at them to kill everything — abate for as long as possible, and it grew horrifically creative with the ways in which it killed everything because it was operating under the hope that it could make the Old Noise abate permanently if it found "the right way" to kill everything. But over billions of years doing this, Ghidorah grew completely desensitized to its atrocities, which eventually gave way to Ghidorah finding fun in them. By the present day, the Old Noise has weakened with the passage of so much time to the point where it's faded to the backs of Ghidorah's minds, but it doesn't matter anymore: now Ghidorah is a vicious, bloodthirsty, omnicidal monster which gleefully kills entire civilizations and planets because it enjoys it.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_a20386b9	comment	The titular character of We Need to Talk About Kevin invokes this:
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_a2dee471	comment	The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker implies this was what happened to Ganondorf. He initially set out to conquer Hyrule because he envied its idyllic nature while his people lived in a harsh desert... but when he laid hands on the Triforce, seven years later all he'd changed is that now the rest of Hyrule is even worse than the desert while he chased the missing pieces of the Triforce, with aspirations to conquer the entire world too. Skyward Sword actually gives an explanation for this- he's the incarnation of a God of Evil's hatred, so no matter what his starting goal, The Dark Side will eventually corrupt it into generic Evil Overlord-ism.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_a4b1b4dc	comment	The Fall of NÃºmenor: Sauron, originally Morgoth's lieutenant, originally felt the world would be a better place with the imposition of his order. Eventually he just wanted the power that came with ruling.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_a81325d3	comment	Final Fantasy: Case of the Lifestream, a Final Fantasy VII novella, shows that Sephiroth considers memories of his friends, appearance, and childhood "unimportant" compared with his contempt for humanity. Wiegraff from Final Fantasy Tactics starts out as a battle-hardened yet genuinely well-intentioned rebel who develops a personal vendetta with Ramza after the latter kills the former's sister. His desire to avenge his sister's death is what leads him to become a knight in the Church. After a second failed battle against Ramza, Wiegraff makes a Deal with the Devil and becomes a Lucavi Demon. The last time we see him, for his final confrontation with Ramza, he explicitly states that he no longer cares about what happened to his sister, and just wants to cause as much pain and chaos as he can. The speech he gives is actually rather unnerving. It's even worse than it sounds: he didn't just decide one day to let a demon into his head. After the second battle, he was bleeding out and about to die, cursing himself for being unable to avenge Milleuda. Only then does the Zodiac stone offer him another chance by accepting its power, and he takes it; he was never told the stone held a demon.)
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_aa44ce3c	comment	In the backstory of Ages of Shadow, Jade absorbed the power of the Shadowkhan in order to save her family from a villain known as the Magus King. But the process was irreversible, and after some time she became corrupted and tried to Take Over the World herself, leading to her being sealed away. Now, countless centuries later, she's now lost large chunks of her memory.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_ad6a095e	comment	Princess: The Hopeful: It's mentioned that there are a rare few Darkened that attempt to use the powers of the Darkness for heroic goals. This never works in the long run. On the one hand, the Darkness blights the conscience, making it easier to slip into evil, and quite a few Dark powers require you to do evil things to use them properly. And on the other, acts of virtue are how you exorcise the Darkness, so any Darkened who does manage to retain his sanity isn't going to stay Darkened indefinitely.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_ad7a5ce9	comment	Disney Villain Songs (Lydia the Bard): Mulan initially starts her revolution with the aim of creating a better, more progressive China, free of the institutional gender rules that left her powerless to stop her father's and many others' avoidable deaths in war, but by the time she's ready to make her move on the Emperor, she's lost sight of her original altruistic motivations and all she really cares about now is her victory. Moana initially wants to save her island and her community by returning the heart of Te Fiti, but six months of imprisonment by her father, being helpless to make him see reason while her mother and friends died around them to Te KÄ�'s rampage, do a number on her emotional state. Though she still eventually manages to set out and retrieve the heart, she ultimately decides that she'd rather watch her father and everyone who's still alive reap what they sowed, and she denies the heart's restoration.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_af10a8a7	comment	Jacen Solo in Legacy of the Force (part of Star Wars Legends) ends up this way as a result of the philosophical growth he goes through that's necessary to save the galaxy without committing genocide. Twice invoked, as another reason he started down that path was because of a vision in which he and Luke fight to the death. Naturally, by the end, he no longer cares if Luke dies.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_b0ec0986	comment	Completely defied with Terra in the prequel. Through most of the game, he's very careful with his use of darkness, and never loses sight of his morals or priorities. Unfortunately, he ends up even worse off than Riku.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_b4db418d	comment	Goethe's Faust, on the other hand, averts this; he is ultimately saved because he doesn't fall into this trope — despite satisfying the Exact Words of the contract that will damn him, he never stops searching for transcendent truth, which was the real reason he made the bargain in the first place.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_b5a2b326	comment	In The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Big Bad Physical God Dagoth Ur may have this trope going on depending on which version of Backstory events you choose to believe. According to one account of his history, he only started using the power of the Heart of Lorkhan in order to protect it from being abused by the Tribunal; but it corrupted him and he became worse than they ever were.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_b637553	comment	The Lion King II: Simba's Pride: Upon Nuka's death, it's implied by Zira's reaction to it that she did genuinely love her kids, but is so obsessed with getting revenge on Simba for Scar's demise that she's lost sight of that.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_b9b796cf	comment	Zouken Matou from Fate/stay night. He originally began his hunt for the Holy Grail as a way to honor the woman he loved, Justica Von Einzbern. But as he grew older and began turning to more and more twisted magic to keep himself alive long enough to accomplish this, his soul began to rot and his mind went with it, leaving him a corrupt, ruthless madman obsessed with immortality.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_ba0984e2	comment	In Old Man Logan, Magneto (the holocaust victim) works with Red Skull (the Nazi) to bring down the heroes of the Marvel universe alongside other supervillains.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_bcadd7cb	comment	Many Chaos Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000 originally turned to Chaos because of some noble goal (or for self-preservation); but after thousands of years in the service of the Great Gods of Chaos, they have usually either forgotten all about it or use it as a flimsy justification for the atrocities they commit. Then again, many of the factions of WH40K who haven't fallen to the side of Chaos still uses almost identical justifications to commit horrible atrocities. All of the surviving Chaos Primarchs. Magnus once wanted to spread knowledge, now his main desire is payback against the Imperium and especially the Space Wolves. Perturabo wanted to be respected; now he lurks on a Daemon World, the prisoner of his own resentment. Angron wanted revenge for the deaths of the only family he ever knew; now the party responsible has been effectively dead for ten millennia, but Angron doesn't care because he lives solely for killing. Mortarion once sought to end the threat of psykers; now he only wants dominion. Fulgrim's quest for perfection - and his Legion's - became a non-stop pursuit of excess. Lorgar is about the only one to remain reasonably clear since his motivation before and after his fall to Chaos was the spread of faith; all that changed was faith in what. The remaining three are Horus (Deader than Dead), Konrad Curze (regular dead), and Alpharius Omegon(who the hell even knows at this pointAlpharius died so hard his twin felt it from lightyears away).
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_bd61868d	comment	Batman Vampire: Batman goes through this in the final part of the trilogy, Crimson Mist, after succumbing to Sanity Slippage and his vampire nature. As he falls deeper and deeper into corruption, he reflects that he can no longer understand the Heroic Sacrifices of his female allies from Red Rain and Bloodstorm, Tanya and Selina Kyle, respectively, now regarding them as foolish actions rather than selfless and noble.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_be8ff20a	comment	In Hope for the Heartless (in which the Horned King is brought back to life and half-forced on a seemingly impossible Redemption Quest), it's revealed that the lich (who has existed over a thousand years) has forgotten many things from his past in his centuries lasting quest to find the Black Cauldron in order to Take Over the World, viewing memories to be a distraction. He doesn't remember how to feel because his heart died out with the countless sins he committed, or the reason he wanted to conquer the world in the first place, or who he was before becoming Arawn's apprentice. However, over the many months he spends with his Morality Pet Avalina, he gains some flashbacks from his past and starts feeling positive emotions again, even regaining his heart.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_c2eb1b78	comment	Delicious in Dungeon invokes this. When a person becomes Dungeon Lord, they make a deal with a demon who eats desires (for instance, if it eats your desire to braid your hair, you'll forget to do it or even why you did it in the first place). Most Dungeon Lords start out with good intentions, but the Demon will gradually eat away whatever desires drove them to pursue those heroic goals until the person is just madly pursuing some ideal with no rhyme or reason for why, until finally that desire is eaten too and they're left an Empty Shell. Thistle the Lunatic Magician originally became Dungeon Lord to save his kingdom and protect his best friend Delgal, but after being nibbled at by the Winged Lion for a thousand years, he's now completely insane, still protecting the kingdom and Delgal but acting more as a warden than a protector, completely uncaring about their happiness or desires as long as they stay alive..
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_c4282b71	comment	My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fanfiction Pony POV Series: There's definitely a a major example in the Dark World Series. It turns out that Discord has long been trapped in a "Groundhog Day" Loop by the true Big Bad, Nightmare Eclipse/Paradox, the original Dark World!Twilight, who went Nightmare in order to trap Discord in the time loops in order to torment him forever in an Ironic Hell. The thing is, her original intent before the corruption was to undo all the evil performed by Discord, but she lost sight of that in her obsession to gain revenge on him; by the time she's revealed, she's wiped out Dark World and everything in it several billion times, seeing everyone but Discord and Twilight as nothing but props, becoming far worse than Discord (who himself had a Heel Realization at some point) in the process. This is a running theme with Nightmares in general: most are driven by a genuinely benevolent or reasonable goal, but the power of a Nightmare comes with going insane. As a result, the majority of Nightmares become so lost in their goal they lose sight of the core attributes of it or begin doing things that they never would've done. There's a good reason the universal reaction a purified Nightmare has upon returning to sanity is My God, What Have I Done?.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_c61f3112	comment	Justice Society of America: During the events of Armageddon: 2001, the hero Hank Hall (Hawk of Hawk & Dove) turns into the villain Monarch when Dove gets killed. In Zero Hour, he's renamed himself Extant, and reappearing in JSA is out to rewrite reality so he can resurrect Dove. He succeeds, but due to one thing and another thing has become so insane, due to spending several billion years alone, that while he has succeeded in his goal, he's forgotten who Dove is and why she matters to him in the first place. And then he kills her.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_c6246449	comment	Chirin the lamb from Ringing Bell originally seeks out the wolf who killed his mother with the intent of revenge, but finds he is far too weak. Instead, he asks to become the wolf's apprentice, with the intention of killing the wolf once he's taught him all he knows. The years pass, and Chirin grows into a monstrous ram. He forgets his mother, forgets his mission, forgets he was ever a sheep at all. It's not until they eventually return to Chirin's former home at the farm where the wolf wants him to kill the sheep that Chirin finally remembers. But by then it's far too late...
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_c62995ba	comment	In Child of the Storm, as in The Dresden Files, Dark Magic has this effect, consuming all good intentions and replacing them with a desire for power. It's worth noting that wanded magic users have less of an issue with this due to their wands insulating them (though as is also pointed out, if you're using Dark Magic, you're likely well down this path anyway), and it's actually a requirement for the Sorcerer Supreme in this universe to be able to use Dark Magic without going bad, and many of the nastier dark wizards and witches throughout history were those who failed at this. This is the main reason the Dark Phoenix is such a threat as the Phoenix by nature amplifies emotions and is amplified by them in turn: "Good becomes great, bad becomes worse." A key example is the original Dark Phoenix, Surtur. He started out as a benevolent mage-scientist on a dying world, who begged for the chance to save it and his people, summoning the Phoenix, the Enigmatic Empowering Entity in question, then pointedly breaking the summoning circle because all he wanted was to plead his case, not try and bind Her... and then ultimately spiralled into A God Am I into a desire to destroy everything and rebuild it 'better'. Oh, and in the process, he destroyed an entire galaxy. Having slaughtered all his people and enslaved their souls as his wraith-like monstrous minions, under the genuine delusion that he was doing them a favour. This very nearly happens to Harry, when he becomes the Dark Phoenix. Thankfully, The Power of Love was there in time to break the vicious circle.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_c72c2d06	comment	Star Wars Rebels: According to Word of God, The Inquisitor was one of the Jedi Sentinels who overheard Bariss Offee's proclamation of the failures of the Jedi Order and her words planted the seed of doubt in his heart. Unfortunately, by becoming an Inquisitor, he has joined with the very people that caused the Jedi and Republic's fall from grace.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_d0c31ab	comment	Star Trek: Generations. Soran. He lost his family to the Borg and eventually ended up killing hundreds of millions of beings just to enter The Nexus. When Picard tries to use the memory of his family to convince Soran to stop his plan, he pauses and looks distraught... then smirks and replies, "Nice try." This, implying that he knows this trope is in effect and just doesn't care, makes him less sympathetic.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_d11e211f	comment	Mitsuzane suffers badly from this in Kamen Rider Gaim. He even references it.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_d3b17858	comment	Wiegraff from Final Fantasy Tactics starts out as a battle-hardened yet genuinely well-intentioned rebel who develops a personal vendetta with Ramza after the latter kills the former's sister. His desire to avenge his sister's death is what leads him to become a knight in the Church. After a second failed battle against Ramza, Wiegraff makes a Deal with the Devil and becomes a Lucavi Demon. The last time we see him, for his final confrontation with Ramza, he explicitly states that he no longer cares about what happened to his sister, and just wants to cause as much pain and chaos as he can. The speech he gives is actually rather unnerving. It's even worse than it sounds: he didn't just decide one day to let a demon into his head. After the second battle, he was bleeding out and about to die, cursing himself for being unable to avenge Milleuda. Only then does the Zodiac stone offer him another chance by accepting its power, and he takes it; he was never told the stone held a demon.)
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_d4fa168d	comment	Fable Lucien in Fable II. He originally wanted to rebuild the Tattered Spire in order to revive his dead wife and daughter, and when he realizes that the protagonist is The Chosen One destined to stop him, he is visibly shaken when he has to kill you and your sister. However, after decades of building the spire on the back of slave labor and dark magic, he's completely forgotten his original purpose for building it and only wants the power. This is most obvious the second time he shoots you, in which he'll calmly state he just murdered your family in cold blood, and then kill you without a second glance. Logan from Fable III is a subversion. He never forgot what drove him to tyranny.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_d616724d	comment	League of Legends has a depressingly literal case with Renekton, the Butcher of the Sands. He used to be a noble God-Warrior up until he was sealed up in a tomb with the traitor Xerath for centuries, and upon being freed, the now perpetually-Ax-Crazy Renekton is seeking revenge on his brother Nasus, believing he was backstabbed and left to suffer for eternity. In actuality, it was Renekton himself who willingly sacrificed himself to keep Xerath locked in a perpetual duel, but Xerath's torment gradually shattered his sense of reason, leaving Renekton insane and believing the lies that were pushed on him for almost a millennia.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_dd06b9e0	comment	In The Black Spider, Christine makes a deal with the devil to protect the villagers from a feudal lord, and then she tries to scam him out. She is turned into a monstrous spider in punishment, whereupon she loses her personality, memories, and identity and completely forgets her well-meaning goals, becoming nothing but a merciless killing machine.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_de6659ec	comment	Inverted and Subverted in Once Upon a Time. It's the evil characters who are shown to remember everything, while the "good" characters have forgotten their identities. And even once the curse is broken, the evil characters are usually the ones who keep grudges, and whose past has the strongest influence on their actions. Good characters' motivations are all tied to present conflicts, while the evil characters' motivations are all tied to things that already happened. The Evil Queen hates Snow White for something she did as a child, Rumplestilskin's life all ties back to his history with his father and his own son, and the Wicked Witch's whole motivation is to go back in time to Set Right What Once Went Wrong. Evil people are all hung up on the past, good people all focus only in the present, and when a character falls from grace (eg: Snow White's murder of Cora), it is because they let past events lead their actions (eg: All the evil things Cora had done up to that point).
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_e4a1416	comment	In Changes, after Harry takes on the mantle of the Winter Knight, Sanya tells him there is always a way back to the light so long as he doesn't forget what he was fighting for.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_e5feb1e	comment	In Ace Attorney, Miles Edgeworth starts out as a child with the idyllic view that defense attorneys protect the innocent (a view shaped by his father, a defense attorney who was the closest the series had to a Big Good). Following said father's murder and an upbringing by his murderer, prosecutor Manfred Von Karma, Edgeworth forgot his childhood beliefs and began to view defense attorneys as obstacles to be crushed on his way to keeping a perfect record of guilty verdicts. As the series goes on, he remains a prosecutor but remembers what he originally knew law was about, focusing his career on uncovering the truth in every case.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_e8224f8c	comment	Ralph Werec from Str.A.In.: Strategic Armored Infantry. Even as he constantly reminds himself of why he defected from the Union, he moves further and further away from his goal of vengeance and closer to being an Omnicidal Maniac, and by the end of the series, he has turned against the very people he was trying to atone to.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_e9e265b6	comment	Fire Emblem: Awakening: Supports in SpotPass reveal this to be the case with Gangrel, the first Arc Villain of the game. Walhart's conquest of the continent of Valm worried Gangrel, causing him to start his own unification plan that involved uniting Plegia, Ferox, and Ylisse under himself so that they could stand up to the Valmese Empire. The power he got from starting the war, and his self-imposed rush to unite the countries, went to his head and caused Motive Decay; by the time of the game's beginning, his only real motive is deliberately provoking open war with Ylisse for the hell of it.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_eef69f10	comment	Sherlock Holmes: Discussed in principle in Classified Dossier by Christian Klaver, after Watson is turned into a vampire. Holmes muses that Watson was able to hold on to himself due to his exceptional strength of character, but the detective reflects that, based on what they know of vampires, if Holmes was turned himself his addictive personality would at the very least put him at risk of becoming another monster as he succumbed to the thirst for human blood, prompting him to decline the idea of joining Watson as a vampire. This idea is further reinforced as Watson's wife Mary, who was turned herself and subsequently captured Watson, has completely given in to her darker urges and is a willing accomplice to their adversary.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_ef4c300f	comment	This gets explained in Assassin's Creed III: the order as a whole has been carefully manipulated over the ages to provide a framework that instills a sense of... misguidance in its members, leading to their desire for control in all things, leading to acceptance of domination (enslaving others) and subjugation (being enslaved) themselves. You barely see any of the leaders perform a Klingon Promotion; they toss away the lives of innocents to get where they are instead of taking a page from the assassins and just killing their way to the top. This usually results in the few individual Templars too stupid or too egotistic to be brainwashed taking control of the whole damn thing, which is the main reason why the order is so fucked up. The whole point of this was so that, in the event that an Ubermensch took command, that person would rule the entire planet unopposed and well-defended. That person is Juno, one of the First Civilization survivors, who brain uploaded herself in a bid to take revenge on humanity by using them to warp reality.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_ef9ba9b4	comment	Anakin Skywalker himself from the prequel trilogy joins the Dark Side in Revenge of the Sith in order to save his wife from dying. Then he starts killing younglings and things go downhill from there. When he force-chokes PadmÃ© Amidala, the wife in question, because he believes she's turned against him, it solidifies him into this trope.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_efccb9da	comment	The second season of Voltron: Legendary Defender reveal this to be the backstory of Zarkon and Witch Haggar. Zarkon was a King who was desperately fighting to preserve his dying planet. Witch Haggar was an Altean scientist passionate about her work. The two of them meet and fall in love. Sometime later they discover a rare comet made from a very powerful ore. Zarkon believing the ore is the answer to his planet's problems, and Haggar being fascinated by its unlimited power to the point of obsession, eventually drove both of them into a downward spiral until both of them Came Back Wrong. A much quicker example happens with Lotor. While he was extremely ruthless, Word of God indeed confirms he had good intentions, which is something later vocally acknowledged by Allura in the series finale. A trip to the quintessence dimension and a Berserk Button turn him into a genocidal sadist.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f2041376	comment	Charmed: Shortly after being freed of his original demon side, Cole was involuntarily possessed by the power of the Source of All Evil, and though he tried to resist for a time, it quickly turned him into the new Source, specially after Phoebe vanquishes the demon that would've taken the Source's essence for himself. After being vanquished, he came back from the dead and tried to use his powers to fight demons, though by this time he really should've known better. The sisters seem to give him the full measure of blame for his actions, even though Phoebe was partially to blame.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f3e1a2a5	comment	Merlin (1998) Frik asks Queen Mab if her trick of letting Lancelot's wife Elaine know about Lancelot and Guinevere's affair wasn't unworthy of them. Mordred asks what "unworthy" means, and his mother Morgan has forgotten.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f3e1f424	comment	Merlin (2008): Morgana. Averted in that it isn't the power in question that makes her evil and forget her friends, it's her actions with it. Her first act of sabotage against the tyrannical King Uther is to seek vengeance for the death of Guinevere's father. Fast-forward three seasons and Morgana has successfully overthrown Uther and taken over Camelot — but when Gwen reminds her that she too has suffered under Uther's reign, Morgana replies: "I had forgotten."
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f5a661a6	comment	In Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous the mage Zacharius transformed himself into a lich so he could use the power and immortality to aid the crusade against demonic invaders, but now considers that endeavor an irritating distraction from his real work. He also had the foresight to see this trope coming and placed himself under a Magically-Binding Contract that forces him to help the crusader who returns his wand.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f62ef3dd	comment	Daughters of the Moon: People who willingly become Followers of the Atrox, an ancient force of evil, gain supernatural powers but lose most of their memories of their old lives, erasing any qualms they might have about being servants of darkness.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f6a54e75	comment	Kingdom Hearts: Riku goes through this in the first game. He starts out using the darkness because he wants to retrieve Kairi's heart. This eventually takes second place to his jealousy of Sora — after taking the Keyblade, losing the Keyblade, and getting his ass kicked, he's willing to open himself completely to the darkness if it means he can be stronger than Sora. Big mistake. Completely defied with Terra in the prequel. Through most of the game, he's very careful with his use of darkness, and never loses sight of his morals or priorities. Unfortunately, he ends up even worse off than Riku. Master Xehanort started out as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, believing that the universe is too full of light and that a perfect balance between light and darkness is needed; his plan to trigger a second Keyblade War was so he could acquire the power of the titular Kingdom Hearts and remake it in his image of balance. Of course, he's long since become Drunk on the Dark Side, and now just wants to cause an apocalypse For Science!. He does have a Heel Realization about it when he's finally defeated in the end, though. At the end of Birth by Sleep, certified paladin Aqua's Heroic Sacrifice trapped her in the Realm of Darkness, which she did deliberately so her friend could leave it. More than eleven years of wandering the darkness later, she (or what is left of her) has completely forgotten that and blames Mickey for "abandoning" her. In accordance with this trope, the instant she is magically purified with Light she recognizes the truth. To be fair, however, she was forcibly corrupted into this state by Xehanort's Heartless.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f7d93e4a	comment	The Templars in the Assassin's Creed series. While modern society wouldn't begin to agree with their ideas of a plutocracy, their overall goal of creating a utopia where there's no more war and suffering isn't a bad one. But they never reach that point, even by the modern age; the technologies they find combined with the power they already wield by 2012 in the AC Universe would be more than enough to sit down and establish their utopia, or at least parts of it. Instead, even in 2012, they simply keep hoarding more and more power, killing more and more people to get more power, and never reach the point where they feel they should finally sit down and install their utopia instead of killing the Assassins or doing the two aforementioned goals. This is in part due to the continued interference by the Assassins, who are ideologically opposed to them, but their Well-Intentioned Extremist stance on Utopia Justifies the Means keeps falling flat on its face when presented to us, the players, because they never even try to actually install their utopia in the first place, instead feeling they just never have enough control of the populace. This gets explained in Assassin's Creed III: the order as a whole has been carefully manipulated over the ages to provide a framework that instills a sense of... misguidance in its members, leading to their desire for control in all things, leading to acceptance of domination (enslaving others) and subjugation (being enslaved) themselves. You barely see any of the leaders perform a Klingon Promotion; they toss away the lives of innocents to get where they are instead of taking a page from the assassins and just killing their way to the top. This usually results in the few individual Templars too stupid or too egotistic to be brainwashed taking control of the whole damn thing, which is the main reason why the order is so fucked up. The whole point of this was so that, in the event that an Ubermensch took command, that person would rule the entire planet unopposed and well-defended. That person is Juno, one of the First Civilization survivors, who brain uploaded herself in a bid to take revenge on humanity by using them to warp reality.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_f91f25d8	comment	Gungrave's Harry MacDowell. Played to full, tear-jerking effect.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_fa5e90fd	comment	In the City of Heroes back story, Vanessa DeVore used Giovanna Scaldi's Soul Jar mask to help fight off the Rikti. Unfortunately, the power — and Scaldi's evil influence — corrupted her, leading her to form the Carnival of Shadows enemy group. The effect was permanent, even after an attempt to free her from Scaldi's influence she didn't change at all.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_fb9c177d	comment	Many Transformers storylines have this happening to Megatron. He usually gets his start as an idealistic miner-turned-gladiator chaffing under the Fantastic Caste System that's been crippling Cybertron, starting protests against the corrupt Autobot leadership and forming a friendship with Orion Pax, an Autobot who believes that his cause is just. Unfortunately, his own growing discontent with the system, his bloodlust, and his desire for power and the right to lead Cybertron into a new Golden Age eventually makes him more radical and turns him into someone just as bad as the ones he was fighting against as he goes to war with Orion, now his mortal enemy Optimus Prime. By the time of the present day and their conflict gets to Earth, Cybertron is a war-torn wreck and Megatron is a warmonger who will settle for nothing else than total domination of the universe, freedom the farthest thing from his mind.
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The Dark Side Will Make You Forget / int_ff9ab17f	comment	In the Star Trek: The Next Generation novel Captain's Honor, this happens to Lucius Sejanus, who, starting as someone merely wanting glory, tries to start the war with M'Dok and is willing to destroy the Enterprise for it.
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