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In many RPGs, there are many "non-combat abilities" that let you get through situations without fighting (like diplomacy for negotiating with enemies or stealth for sneaking by them), but these are often not nearly as useful as advertised, for the following reasons: | |
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Betrayal at Krondor: There is an out-of-combat spell called And the Light Shall Lie that is very specialized, disguising Owyn, allowing him to enter a particular town occupied by an enemy army without needing to enter combat. This allows you to do a couple of quests you wouldn't otherwise be able to do...but after that, the spell has no use. Justified in-universe, as the spell is intended specifically to deceive one general and his troops; it's even stated that Owyn doesn't see his own disguise after he casts it, and needs to be told that he's not supposed to be the one who sees it! From the same game, the Lute Playing skill: it increases slowly, can only be increased at a tavern, and when sufficiently high, allows you to make money by playing at a tavern and getting tips. But even at high levels, the amount of money you gain is relatively low, the amount of time needed to get there is prohibitive, and the lute itself takes up space in your inventory. Not to mention that money is much easier to obtain from other sources, and in greater quantities. Lute Playing can be a Game-Breaker if used early and often to amass a lot of money and purchase things long before they would otherwise be available, but be prepared to spend hours on it. |
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Skills in Star Ocean generally tend to be of the "Skippable" variety: you can ignore the skill system entirely and not be negatively affected. HOWEVER... if you take the time to invest in skills, you'll wind up highly rewarded with free items that restore HP & MP, infinite experience, building the best items in the game, and learning your relationship values. Much more importantly, however, in the first and second game, every single skill has a secondary benefit: Cooking increases your combat damage, Meditation reduces your SP cost for abilities, and so on. | |
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Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning: Lock Picking, Dispel and Mercantile. Lock Picking and Dispel (effectively magical lock picking) get you more loot, but there is already loads of loot lying around unprotected. There are a handful of side quests which require you to pick hard locks or Dispel wards, but you have Prismere lock picks and Save Scumming for those. Mercantile gets you better prices in shops, but you can usually find or make better gear than you can buy, and Money for Nothing is in full effect. |
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Perception in Might and Magic VII and VIII isn't terribly useful either. It does two things: allows the person who has it to avoid trap when it activates, and also allows you to notice the points of interest. The first use is put in shame by Disarm Trap which disables traps altogether, or by learning and using Telekinesis, or just by learning Body Building to increase HP to take the damage instead. The second is completely useless with Master Air Magic's Wizard Eye (and most players have someone who can learn it), which reveals the switches on your map and much more. | |
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Stealing in Septerra Core sounds nice on paper as you can actually steal from stores as well. The problem is, if you get caught trying to steal prices in the store go up. You also have little to no control over what you steal - meaning you either get a consumable (which the game passes out like candy), money, or a useless piece of equipment. There's also one particular spell card combination that acts as a scan ability. The problem is, Corgan has the same ability for cheaper - the only difference is that the spell card will show a little more information and can be used on everyone. |
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Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Final Fantasy Tactics A2 have several abilities that remove enemies without harming them. Parley lets you convince a humanoid enemy to leave, Oust sweeps away monsters, and Wyrmtamer removes dragons. However, the chance of these abilities working is directly based on the damage you've done to them at once you've done enough for them to have a decent chance at working, you're better off just killing them because that gives you loot and experience. In Advance, these abilities would work less often, and eventually never work if the user kept killing targets. In A2, they can always work, but again, based on the target's remaining HP. The only reason someone would want to use these types of abilities often is to avoid being instantly killed by a Tonberry since they have an ability that causes damage based on how many units that target has killed and by the time you fight these guys, they will usually do 999 damage every single time they decide to use said ability. | |
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Puzzle Quest's Cunning stat: the main benefit of which is the player with the higher Cunning stat makes the first move. You will have to dump a disproportionate amount of stat points into Cunning to outrank some of the higher level enemies and bosses (And just forget about Lord Bane). However, Cunning also gives you bonus Experience Points and gold after you win a battle. The real skill never to increase is Morale. Morale raises your maximum Hit Points, which is well and good... but you don't need to waste a single stat point on it, because the game hands you bonus Morale points every time you stop to tie your shoes. | |
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Oblivion: Willpower is a rather useless Attribute. One of the only things it affects is your maximum Fatigue, which is also affected by other stats. It also controls your rate of Magicka regeneration, but it's more effective to increase your Intelligence so you have more Magicka in the first place. In addition, mages often take Atronach birthsign which give you additional max Magicka and a chance of absorbing enemy spells, at the cost of your Magicka regeneration. Security: It governs your ability to pick locks, but picking a lock is a mini-game based more on player skill than anything else. A high Security skill makes it somewhat easier (and saves you from breaking as many lockpicks), but a skilled player can easily pick even the highest leveled locks with a minimum Security Skill. Notably, this is not the case in Morrowind, where the success of picking a lock is up to the Random Number God. A higher Security Skill increases your odds of picking it, while having too low of a security skill will make it impossible to pick higher leveled locks. |
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World of Warcraft has a few, but patches over the years have removed them, or at least made them less annoying to use. Druids used to have Soothe Animal, that would reduce the Aggro Radius of Beast type enemies. This was basically useless, because druids can avoid fights anyway by using stealth. Cataclysm changed the ability to a "tranquilize" effect, removing Enrage buffs, and removed it entirely in Legion. "Pickpocketing" for rogues acts as Video Game Stealing, but it can't to much to give rogues money other than giving the occasional Shop Fodder item or pocket change. |
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Some examples from Knights of the Old Republic: Security: All locked doors can be bashed open very easily, making lockpicking unnecessary. Averted in the second game. Bashing a chest open will usually break something valuable, leaving you with junk that can only be broken down for crafting parts. Picking any lock will also earn the player a small amount of experience. Stealth: See the first example under Useless Useful Stealth. The only time it is remotely useful is when you're sneaking past the rancor in the Taris sewers or choose Mission to break you out of the holding cells. Awareness: There are very few stealthed enemies in the game, and those that are stealthed cannot be detected with the awareness skill (they can only be detected after being triggered by an Event Flag), making awareness useful only for detecting mines, and mines are so easy to spot they can usually be spotted without investing very many points into this skill. The second game at least made Awareness useful for the main character by making it double as Sense Motive for opening up different dialogue options. Persuade: It's helpful most of the time, and it's the only skill that you can't just delegate to a more specialized party member, but it's not going to help one bit in The Very Definitely Final Dungeon. That diplomacy-optimized Jedi Consular you built? Yeah, you're gonna have a rough time. Even worse, the actual success thresholds are all quite low in the early game, and later on it will be mostly supplanted by Force Persuade in any case. The second game attempts to avert it by having every skill be involved in its crafting system. The thresholds to get some really good upgrade parts are pretty high, so there is a reason to invest that much in otherwise unused skills. Persuade, however, doesn't enjoy this perk, and suffers from this trope as badly as it did in the first game. |
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Skyrim: Lockpicking: Just like Security in Oblivion, for the exact same reason. As a bonus, there is a quest that rewards you with an unbreakable lockpick, and time is halted in the lockpicking interface, so you can try the lock an unlimited number of times until you get lucky. Pickpocket: There is nothing in the game you can only obtain through pickpocketing. A low pickpocket skill merely reduces the chance to successfully steal an item but does not prevent you from trying, so you can steal any item you want by saving immediately before pickpocketing and repeatedly reloading until you get lucky. Furthermore, an official DLC adds a spell that opens the vast majority of locks and can be acquired during a quest you receive at level 1. Speech: Makes buying items cheaper, but the items you can make through Smithing and Enchanting are vastly better than anything you can buy. Also allows you to invest into a merchant or sell stolen items, but none of it improves the quality of the items you can purchase, so there is no point to any of it. While the Alchemy tree as a whole has plenty of utility, the Snakeblood perk is often considered a dud. It gives you a permanent +50% poison resistance, which could be useful... except only a few enemies even use poison, and even then their poisons (unlike the ones you can brew yourself) rarely have any effects besides the usual "damage health," which means they can simply be powered through with healing potions or spells. To make matters worse, there are a few armors in the game that grant 100% poison resistance without having to spend a perk on them. |
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Fallout: New Vegas tries to avert this by linking item creation to relevant skills: you need to have a sufficient Survival skill to create food items, for example, or sufficient Science to make Stimpaks. However, depending on whether you're playing on Normal or Hardcore, some skills are still useless: food isn't nearly as important in Normal, where your need to eat is not tracked, and therefore you can ignore Survival entirely (the other benefits of the skill are negligible). Hardcore mode, where hunger, thirst and exhaustion are all tracked, makes all the skills much more useful. | |
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Similar to the original Deus Ex, three of the five tech skills in System Shock 2 are rendered fairly redundant to someone who understands the game well enough: Modify: Used to permanently upgrade a non-melee weapon one or two times, with higher skill levels allowing higher tier upgrades. These upgrades are fairly useful, but there is a type of item called a French-Epstein device that gives you a free modification—regardless of the skill needed to normally upgrade—and there are enough to fully upgrade the few weapons you're best off specializing in. One might still bring Modify to level one or two to get the lowest tier upgrades and save your French-Epstein devices for the others, but bringing it any higher is really only useful in co-op (where there are more people and thus more weapons to modify, but no more upgrade items available). Research: Used to research objects, with the lower level projects granting damage bonuses against certain enemy types and clearing one mandatory objective while higher levels projects let your use the exotic weapons. However, exotic weapons are Awesome, but Impractical even when you don't count the research costs, already suffering from extremely scarce ammo and Crippling Overspecialization. The plot-necessary project only requires one level of Research, which you can obtain temporarily with an implant, while the damage bonus projects only take two, meaning it's again smartest to invest one level at most. Repair: Used to repair broken weapons and a few broken machines with nanites. Functionally it is very similar to Maintenance, which uses expendable items to keep weapons from breaking in the first place. Investing in both stats is almost entirely redundant, and most people favor Maintenance because its side benefits (extra energy capacity for implants, armor, and energy weapons) are better than Repair's (a few more replicators and earlier access to some weapons, often before you'll get much ammo for them). |
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Can be the case for Solars in Exalted, depending on the type of campaign. Solars can learn to do anything ridiculously well, from fighting to sneaking or negotiating. The problem is, when you can outfight entire armies of demons without breaking a sweat, you don't usually need to do much sneaking or negotiating. Mostly averted with other Exalted types, though, since while their non-combat abilities are more modest than the Solars', their lack of combat supremacy means that they are also more likely to actually have need of them. | |
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Pathfinder has many of the same weaknesses as its predecessor. It tries to downplay them with the Pathfinder Unchained supplement, which divides the skill list into "adventure skills" and "background skills", the latter of which are mostly those that fall under this trope. It also gives players two extra points per level earmarked for background skills, to encourage developing a more rounded character. Trouble is, two of those skills, Perform and Sleight of Hand, are highly useful to certain builds, and Linguistics gives the character a new language for each point. So you still wind up with most of the skills being ignored in favor of these plus maybe Craft or whatever Knowledge is most relevant for the campaign setting. | |
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Examples from 3.5e Dungeons & Dragons: Craft, Perform and Profession were essentially designed to be skill-point sinks for NPC characters like blacksmiths or tavern owners. Yes, you can use them to make money, but your allies are not going to wait for weeks while you forge longswords and busk when they could be making thousands of gold beating up the local Money Spiders. Bards require one Perform skill at high level to use some of their abilities, and Craft can become a Game-Breaker when combined with spells like Fabricate, but otherwise those skills are only as useful as the DM will allow. d20 Modern, which is built on the same system as Dungeons & Dragons, has its own examples, such as Knowledge (art), Knowledge (popular culture), and Perform, that are only useful in very limited situations. Craft is in some ways worse since crafting an item is usually more expensive than buying it, although some advanced classes use it in special ways (such as MacGyver style improvising). Perform in particular says nothing more about an effect than "Masterful performance. Audience awed". The D&D 3.5 counterpart at least assumed you were busking and earned some money for your efforts (although see Profession, above). When asked about this, the game's designers basically admitted it had no purpose beyond giving flavour to a character or whatever the GM might homebrew. Interestingly enough, the final Expansion Pack to Neverwinter Nights 2 (Storm of Zehir) brought about a new overworld map, causing a number of otherwise marginally useful skills suddenly become much more useful, such as Survival (you can track specific enemies AND get a bonus in resting and random battles) and most of the communications skills (Bluff, Diplomacy and Intimidate can be used prior to a random battle to gain a not-insignificant advantage). On the other hand, some games that use D&D rules but focus mostly on combat make almost all skills useless. Eye of the Beholder, for instance, made Forgery completely worthless, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Climb mostly useless, and even the cool-sounding Spellcraft rather less impressive than you'd think. All this being said, without DM intervention Diplomacy can become a game-breaker... and because of that, so too can any skill due to the Exemplar prestige class. Tracking-related skills are usually joked to be this, overlapping with This Looks Like a Job for Aquaman. The logic goes, if you don't have a tracker, then you're never going to need a tracker—anything that needs to be tracked is probably plot-relevant, and the DM isn't going to make plot-relevant things impossible to find, so groups that don't have a tracker just never encounter anything that needs training to track. |
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Age of Empires II: The Spies technology allows you to see the enemy's line of sight, meaning you can see everything they see. Excellent, except that it costs 200 gold per enemy villager. Spies isn't available until Age IV, by which time players often have upwards of fifty or even a hundred villagers. The only time it would be used would be against pesky players that tries to hide their villagers around the corner to prolong the game. | |
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Fallout 4: Animal Friend is significantly modified and there are now separate perks for abominations/mutated creatures and humanoids. Now pointing your gun at an enemy has a chance to pacify them, and at higher levels, they'll even fight on your side and take orders from you... as long as you pass a charisma check, and don't do anything but point your gun or else they might turn hostile again, and if that happens (or if you fail a later pacification check) you can't pacify anyone else until exiting and re-entering combat. On top of all that, a large chunk of the game's quests (including several mandatory ones) require killing all the enemies in an area to proceed, so a true Pacifist Run is basically impossible without exploits. The V.A.N.S. (Vault-Tec Assisted Navigational System) perk allows you to see a path to the nearest tagged objective in VATS. The problems with this: 1) you only get one perk per level up, and there's almost always an option that's more useful in terms of actual gameplay, and 2) the player can always check nearby objectives on their Pip-Boy map, so V.A.N.S. is only even conceivably useful in particularly difficult to navigate areas. V.A.N.S 2 sounds much more useful, giving you plus 2 to Perception, two whole levels for free! Except for four "teeny-tiny" things: 1) you have to waste a level up on V.A.N.S. just to get the chance of it, 2) you need to be level 36 minimum, 3) you need the Nuka-World DLC to get it (which has much better things than a second level in a useless perk), and 4), unless you already have it maxed, you can just spend the two points it takes to get it directly on perception, which will give you the same accuracy boost while unlocking perks that are actually useful. |
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The old RPG Wasteland had a few of these. Some skills were useful, like Rifle, Energy Weapon, Perception, and Brawling. Some had limited use, like Demolitions, Swim, and Gambling. And then there were Metallurgy (two uses: to identify free money in a mine, to diagnose a car's issue—and an NPC you could recruit could just fix it himself), Cryptography (one use, though it's to get a lot of good stuff), and Bureaucracy (that one makes sense actually). The ultimate example: the IBM DOS port has a Combat Shooting skill, which can only be bought at character creation. No one—not even Brian Fargo, the man who created the game—can figure out what it does; hackers and others have come to the conclusion is does absolutely, positively nothing. | |
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Fallout: What Fallout player has ever found much of a use for Trapsnote None of the traps you encounter are very damaging, so running past them and taking damage is better than wasting skill points or Outdoorsmannote This skill increases the rate at which you find favorable random encounters, and decreases the rate at which you find bad random encounters. It literally has no other effect, not even narrative skill checks, in either game? The viability of investing points into some skills, such as Science, Repair, and (in the sequel) Unarmed is undermined by the many books and teachers in the games that make it easy to boost a skill to 100% without investing a point into itnote There are benefits to increasing a skill score beyond 100% (the maximum is 300%), but not for non-combat skills: if the player reaches 100% in Science, Repair or similar skills, then you have enough skill to avoid a critical failure 99% of the time, and to eventually succeed at any given skill-related task. Increasing beyond 100% is only useful for combat skills, where it continues to increase your accuracy and damage to truly absurd levels. Many of the Perks are also infamous as pretty useless: the few exceptions are useless on their own, but unlock much better Perks later. Gambling is mostly useless, and completely useless in a low-Luck build: gambling is used in the many casinos in the game to get money. The higher your gambling skill, the better your chances are of winning, as the game will specifically stack the deck to give you more favorable odds. Luck does the same thing in a non-specific way, but the two work against each other: if you have a low-Luck and high Gambling, you'll still lose more than you win, and vice versa. And the problem is that money isn't all that useful anyway, once you have enough of it, and the barter system means that you don't even need money. Fallout: New Vegas tries to avert this by linking item creation to relevant skills: you need to have a sufficient Survival skill to create food items, for example, or sufficient Science to make Stimpaks. However, depending on whether you're playing on Normal or Hardcore, some skills are still useless: food isn't nearly as important in Normal, where your need to eat is not tracked, and therefore you can ignore Survival entirely (the other benefits of the skill are negligible). Hardcore mode, where hunger, thirst and exhaustion are all tracked, makes all the skills much more useful. Fallout 4: Animal Friend is significantly modified and there are now separate perks for abominations/mutated creatures and humanoids. Now pointing your gun at an enemy has a chance to pacify them, and at higher levels, they'll even fight on your side and take orders from you... as long as you pass a charisma check, and don't do anything but point your gun or else they might turn hostile again, and if that happens (or if you fail a later pacification check) you can't pacify anyone else until exiting and re-entering combat. On top of all that, a large chunk of the game's quests (including several mandatory ones) require killing all the enemies in an area to proceed, so a true Pacifist Run is basically impossible without exploits. The V.A.N.S. (Vault-Tec Assisted Navigational System) perk allows you to see a path to the nearest tagged objective in VATS. The problems with this: 1) you only get one perk per level up, and there's almost always an option that's more useful in terms of actual gameplay, and 2) the player can always check nearby objectives on their Pip-Boy map, so V.A.N.S. is only even conceivably useful in particularly difficult to navigate areas. V.A.N.S 2 sounds much more useful, giving you plus 2 to Perception, two whole levels for free! Except for four "teeny-tiny" things: 1) you have to waste a level up on V.A.N.S. just to get the chance of it, 2) you need to be level 36 minimum, 3) you need the Nuka-World DLC to get it (which has much better things than a second level in a useless perk), and 4), unless you already have it maxed, you can just spend the two points it takes to get it directly on perception, which will give you the same accuracy boost while unlocking perks that are actually useful. |
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Runescape has this problem for a long time with the Firemaking skill. Its only purpose was to increase the total level of bored players with money to burn, as well as create lines of campfires outside banks. Higher levels of the skill let you burn more expensive wood, creating longer lasting fires. Except that if you're cooking a lot you'd just use a stove or permanent fire, making the skill completely useless. Fortunately, Jagex noticed the problem and has added various minigames and quests where firemaking is actually useful. | |
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Xenoblade Chronicles 2: The Girl's Talk field skill is only required for a grand total of two quests. Most other (non-signature) field skills are used to overcome obstacles, gather more items from collectible points, and/or are required prerequisites for starting up merc missions. Girl's Talk falls into none of these categories. Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna ~ The Golden Country lampshades the hell out of this by making Girl's Talk Mythra's reward for completing every sidequest in the prequel. Not only does the description point out that it's not very useful, but even if it was, the process for getting it requires you to finish every part of the game where it could have come in handy without it. |
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Two Worlds lets you put points into a "swimming" skill, which lets you wear armor in water and increases your swimming speed. Since you can't drown, never fight in water, never have a time limit, and can put on and take off armor instantly, this serves purely as a convenience. | |
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The Elder Scrolls: Recurring series examples: Speechcraft: You can easily max out a target's disposition with a custom-made spell or potion when required, making Speechcraft unnecessary. Through Oblivion, it is also possible to simply bribe them over and over to increase their disposition. (Quite easy to do with all of the series' Money for Nothing as well.) Mercantile: In most games, even with a maxed out Mercantile skill, it is nearly impossible to haggle for an item for more than a few percentage points over/under its base value. And as mentioned above, the series has more than enough money available for you to acquire without having to do bother with this. Mercantile was dropped as a skill as of Skyrim, where its effects are folded into a somewhat more useful Speechcraft skill tree. Daggerfall: Etiquette and Streetwise: These skills make nobles/scholars and commoners/underworld types (respectively) respond to you more positively, and may get them to give you extra information and hints. Realistically, they don't help very much. If you need additional information out of them, there are much better ways to gain it. The various Language skills, such as Giantish, Impish, Orcish, etc. A higher skill score in them gives you a chance to avoid combat with the creatures who speak it. Practically speaking, it isn't very useful. One minor use is that using the skill potentially allows you to level up several skills at once, increasing the rate at which you gain character levels. For instance, you can speak to an Orc to increase the Orcish skill, then (succeed or fail) attack him anyway to increase your combat skills. Medical: You recover more health points per hour you sleep. Given that time is only a factor in a select few Timed Missions, there is no real benefit to healing more quickly in fewer hours of sleep. Morrowind: Mercantile is an aversion here. Because the game makes a separate skill roll for each attempt, you can simply set the price of an item to whatever you want then spam the accept key until the merchant accepts. While each failure makes it less likely to succeed and drops the disposition of the merchant, you will eventually get a 'critical' success that will get the merchant to accept no matter what. Further, the disposition drop will will reverse itself if you leave the conversation and then re-enter it. Acrobatics: You can eventually jump over buildings at a high skill level, but aside from the fun of it, there's not much reason to do so. Levitation is a better alternative, and potions of Rising Force are quite common. Oblivion: Willpower is a rather useless Attribute. One of the only things it affects is your maximum Fatigue, which is also affected by other stats. It also controls your rate of Magicka regeneration, but it's more effective to increase your Intelligence so you have more Magicka in the first place. In addition, mages often take Atronach birthsign which give you additional max Magicka and a chance of absorbing enemy spells, at the cost of your Magicka regeneration. Security: It governs your ability to pick locks, but picking a lock is a mini-game based more on player skill than anything else. A high Security skill makes it somewhat easier (and saves you from breaking as many lockpicks), but a skilled player can easily pick even the highest leveled locks with a minimum Security Skill. Notably, this is not the case in Morrowind, where the success of picking a lock is up to the Random Number God. A higher Security Skill increases your odds of picking it, while having too low of a security skill will make it impossible to pick higher leveled locks. Skyrim: Lockpicking: Just like Security in Oblivion, for the exact same reason. As a bonus, there is a quest that rewards you with an unbreakable lockpick, and time is halted in the lockpicking interface, so you can try the lock an unlimited number of times until you get lucky. Pickpocket: There is nothing in the game you can only obtain through pickpocketing. A low pickpocket skill merely reduces the chance to successfully steal an item but does not prevent you from trying, so you can steal any item you want by saving immediately before pickpocketing and repeatedly reloading until you get lucky. Furthermore, an official DLC adds a spell that opens the vast majority of locks and can be acquired during a quest you receive at level 1. Speech: Makes buying items cheaper, but the items you can make through Smithing and Enchanting are vastly better than anything you can buy. Also allows you to invest into a merchant or sell stolen items, but none of it improves the quality of the items you can purchase, so there is no point to any of it. While the Alchemy tree as a whole has plenty of utility, the Snakeblood perk is often considered a dud. It gives you a permanent +50% poison resistance, which could be useful... except only a few enemies even use poison, and even then their poisons (unlike the ones you can brew yourself) rarely have any effects besides the usual "damage health," which means they can simply be powered through with healing potions or spells. To make matters worse, there are a few armors in the game that grant 100% poison resistance without having to spend a perk on them. |
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Pokémon gives its titular monsters a wide variety of potential passive Abilities. The few that only have effects outside of battle are considered subpar at best. Examples include: The Run Away ability, which ensures you can always flee from wild Pokemon. Most Pokemon with the ability tend to already be fast, so the inability to flee is rarely a concern. As a result, Run Away is situational at best, and is made even more useless by the existence of the Smoke Ball hold item, which provides the exact same effect for its user. Run Away's uselessness is occasionally acknowledged in a meta sort of way, as it's often a filler Ability on Pokemon that gain a far more useful ability upon evolution. The Illuminate ability raises the random encounter rate, while the Stench ability lowers it. Unfortunately they did nothing in battle when they were introduced, were ultimately outclassed by Sweet Scent's out of battle ability and Repels respectively, and in Emerald were outclassed by other abilities having extra effects that mimicked the two abilities while having actual in battle uses. Fortunately Stench got upgraded later on to do the same thing as a King's Rock, but Illuminate has had no such luck. Several Abilities exist solely to let the Pokemon occasionally collect held items after battle. These are of limited utility at the best of times as the items are mostly random and usually more easily obtained by other methods. The fact that they only function if the Pokemon has no held item already and render themselves nonfunctional once the Pokemon in question gains an item from the ability. While Pickup and Ball Fetch have at least marginally useful as they can provide rarer items at high levels, Honey Gather has no such benefit. The only item it provides is Sweet Honey, an item that, in all but one set of games it appeared in, is useless outside of being sold for a low price. |
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Averted in the Geneforge series. The Leadership skill opens up new options in the Dialogue Tree system that can make boss fights and mandatory fights either significantly easier or completely avoidable through Talking the Monster to Death (literally in a few cases). Leadership also gives you several chances to talk NPCs into giving you items you otherwise could not have obtained. The Mechanics skill is used not only for opening locks and disarming traps (which can again give access to otherwise inaccessible loot) but also to sabotage Magitek devices to weaken or kill a boss that relies on them. These actions also give XP rewards comparable to what you could have gotten from simply killing the enemy. | |
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LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures gives you the ability to hide under barrels or bushes to slip past enemies. This is entirely useless as enemies are easy to just fight head-on and there is always some sort of puzzle that must be solved to progress through the area which can't be done while hiding. At most you'll try it once just for the novelty of it. | |
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Morrowind: Mercantile is an aversion here. Because the game makes a separate skill roll for each attempt, you can simply set the price of an item to whatever you want then spam the accept key until the merchant accepts. While each failure makes it less likely to succeed and drops the disposition of the merchant, you will eventually get a 'critical' success that will get the merchant to accept no matter what. Further, the disposition drop will will reverse itself if you leave the conversation and then re-enter it. Acrobatics: You can eventually jump over buildings at a high skill level, but aside from the fun of it, there's not much reason to do so. Levitation is a better alternative, and potions of Rising Force are quite common. |
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The prequel, Human Revolution, has a minor example: the Hacking Analyze augmentation allows you to see the chances of being detected by the security mainframe for every node, even though you can already tell what the chances are for every node you can currently capture and since chance of detection is based on security level (which you can already see for every node) it's not that hard to guessnote The stated use of the Analyze ability is that it lets you see what's in datastores, ostensibly so that you can see if it's worth it to go after them, but actually hacking them is much easier, and spending the two points you would otherwise use for Analyze on two points for Hacking:Stealth is a much better trade-off. | |
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Deus Ex: The swimming skill. It makes you swim faster and hold your breath for longer, but there are very, very few underwater areas in the game. The Aqualung nanomod is useless for the same reason and takes up a slot a more useful nanomod can take. You're better off keeping a couple rebreathers in your inventory (which you often find around the levels that have underwater areas) instead. Hell, once you get the Healing Augmentation, you can activate it to heal the damage that running out of oxygen does to your body, allowing you to stay underwater for as long as you want, provided you have enough bio-energy. The alternative to Aqualung, Environmental Resistance, is even worse. The game conveniently places a Hazmat suit (an item that negates the damage Environmental Resistance protects you from) near any situation where Environmental Resistance would be useful. You also would need to upgrade it to the maximum rank to completely negate damage, thus working as effectively as a Hazmat suit, which means not leveling up more useful skills. At least Aqualung at the first rank completely negates the need for the Swimming skill and there are points where swimming underwater is helpful, even if specifically leveling the skill or upgrading the augment are not. For that matter, in the same way that it can be used to cure drowning while you are drowning, the healing augmentation can also immediately reverse the effects of radiation and patch up bullet wounds - in short, the only reason to ever choose a different main torso augmentation is as a self-imposed challenge, simply because leveled-up regeneration is too useful. The prequel, Human Revolution, has a minor example: the Hacking Analyze augmentation allows you to see the chances of being detected by the security mainframe for every node, even though you can already tell what the chances are for every node you can currently capture and since chance of detection is based on security level (which you can already see for every node) it's not that hard to guessnote The stated use of the Analyze ability is that it lets you see what's in datastores, ostensibly so that you can see if it's worth it to go after them, but actually hacking them is much easier, and spending the two points you would otherwise use for Analyze on two points for Hacking:Stealth is a much better trade-off. Also in Human Revolution, the initial release has several mandatory boss battles, making a non-combat build focused on stealth and hacking much less viable. This was a common enough criticism that the Directors Cut introduced ways to resolve the encounters without combat (or at least without conventional combat that you'd have to put points into). |
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Fable: Guile. At each level, Guile increases your stealth and allows you to get more favorable prices when buying or selling goods. At level three, you learn how to steal items. Finally, at level six, you learn how to pick locks. Every single one of these benefits is worthless note The game operates on Useless Useful Stealth, where you travel far too slow and enemies will spot you 99% of the time anyway. Even on the one quest where stealth is necessary, there's no noticeable difference between maxing out Guile and ignoring it. Prices are affected far more by attractiveness, renown, and how much the merchant has of a given item versus how much you have than by your Guile level. Anything worth stealing requires standing in place for nearly half a minute and fails if anyone so much as looks at you. Finally, any lock that can be picked can be more easily and swiftly simply smashed open. And picking the lock isn't even more stealthy as NPCs invariably seem to wait right inside their door all night. Besides new players, invariably Guile is only chosen late in the game when there's nothing else to spend Skill experience on. | |
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Lampshaded in the Discworld Roleplaying Game, with Academic Skills such as Astrozoology. "Some may seem rarefied, even useless – but roleplayers can be good at finding uses for things." | |
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d20 Modern, which is built on the same system as Dungeons & Dragons, has its own examples, such as Knowledge (art), Knowledge (popular culture), and Perform, that are only useful in very limited situations. Craft is in some ways worse since crafting an item is usually more expensive than buying it, although some advanced classes use it in special ways (such as MacGyver style improvising). | |
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Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna ~ The Golden Country lampshades the hell out of this by making Girl's Talk Mythra's reward for completing every sidequest in the prequel. Not only does the description point out that it's not very useful, but even if it was, the process for getting it requires you to finish every part of the game where it could have come in handy without it. | |
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Daggerfall: Etiquette and Streetwise: These skills make nobles/scholars and commoners/underworld types (respectively) respond to you more positively, and may get them to give you extra information and hints. Realistically, they don't help very much. If you need additional information out of them, there are much better ways to gain it. The various Language skills, such as Giantish, Impish, Orcish, etc. A higher skill score in them gives you a chance to avoid combat with the creatures who speak it. Practically speaking, it isn't very useful. One minor use is that using the skill potentially allows you to level up several skills at once, increasing the rate at which you gain character levels. For instance, you can speak to an Orc to increase the Orcish skill, then (succeed or fail) attack him anyway to increase your combat skills. Medical: You recover more health points per hour you sleep. Given that time is only a factor in a select few Timed Missions, there is no real benefit to healing more quickly in fewer hours of sleep. |
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In the Bioware title Baldur's Gate, the Constitution skill dictates also how much characters can resist drinking alcohol in taverns before getting intoxicated. While Con itself is one of the most important skills all-around, drinking in taverns is useless: the most you can get is some superficial hearsay about possible quests that you surely have already met anyway or discussed more in detail with random characters. | |
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Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines has the Seduction and Intimidation skills, neither of which do much that the Persuasion skill can't. While they unlock some fun dialogue options and Seduction lets players go the Vampires Are Sex Gods route by sampling some enthusiastic blood donors, the Point Build System makes them impractical to spend Experience Points on. | |
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