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noreallife Some works that are well-received remain so, long after they get released, eventually being acclaimed as classics. However, some works that are well-received at their debut will fade into the mists of time as the public moves on to the newest thing, doomed to obscurity. Then there are these. A few exceptional (or lucky) works with unexceptional debuts (or possibly even held responsible for killing a franchise or an entire genre) will be rediscovered and reanalyzed, and in some cases may even become critical darlings or timeless classics in the eyes of the public after about 20 years, usually when their authors/producers are no longer around to bask in their belated fame. Unconventional and gloomily-themed works that star little-known actors are the most prone to this. Inevitably causes most critics to rush to hail them as classics that were grossly misunderstood in their time, but now can be worshiped as the masterpieces they truly are. Oftentimes people in general forget that they were bombs to begin with. Parodies and Critical Backlash inevitably follow in their footsteps. This is mostly a film/literature phenomenon: TV mostly avoids this, as how great or awful a series is tends to become clear during its longer run (or at least a few years later on DVD). Video games have a different problem in that Technology Marches On, turning old titles into Abandonware. Sometimes? Works were just screwed over by factors outside their control - Legal trouble, poor management, or simple happenstance leading to a Troubled Production or a stay in Development Hell. Then, of course, there are historical events that were controversial at the time, but later are felt to have been the right decision. Values Resonance is prevalent in many instances of this trope, as they were simply too far ahead of their time. The Real Life counterpart of It Will Never Catch On. It can also lead to Follow the Leader, Hype Aversion, Hype Backlash. A Sub-Trope is Vindicated by Cable and Vindicated by Reruns; also arguably, as already mentioned, Better on DVD. Often these works were the victim of an Award Snub. For when something is discovered to not be as bad as its detractors made it out to be but it's still not quite vindicated, see Critical Backlash. Compare Germans Love David Hasselhoff (when a different country does this instead of time), Cult Classic (when something gains popularity but not on a widespread/mainstream scale, although the two tropes sometimes overlap), Posthumous Popularity Potential (when the belated popularity occurs because the artist is no longer around to bask in it), Dueling Movies (When a work may be overshadowed by another at release), Rescued from the Scrappy Heap (when this happens to a single character) and Acclaimed Flop (when the work is a critical success but a commercial failure when it comes out). See also Popularity Polynomial. Nostalgia Filter may factor into this, although anyone that hasn't grown up with the work will still likely see it for what it is. Contrast Condemned by History (when something goes from insanely popular to a popular target of mockery), And You Thought It Would Fail (when a work that's expected to be a flop instead becomes a smash hit) and Once Original, Now Common (when a work was beloved in its heyday, but is seen as boring or stale (at best) by history, though usually with the appreciation that the work was revolutionary at the time). See also Character Perception Evolution for when a character's reception changes over time. Beware the risk of Overly Narrow Superlatives or Gushing About Shows You Like. Practically anything could seem vindicated by history if the reference pool is small enough. Works must be at least five years old to be added. This is to ensure that history has judged the work more favourably than at release. |
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The Irate Gamer was for a very long time considered to be one of the worst web review shows of all time, courtesy of being called an AVGN ripoff and misinformed in terms of research. However some of Irate Gamer's former haters have since warmed up to him, or at least respect him, due to him gradually Growing the Beard over the years. Among these are Aslieri, The Archfriend, Big Al, the late Emer Prevous aka Hellsing920, and even Mike Matei. Newer audiences who got to watch his videos years after the show's detractors moved on from it didn't see the huge fuzz about the series and usually consider it to be So Okay, It's Average at worst while others actually find the Irate Gamer very entertaining. The fact that he and The Angry Video Game Nerd have collaborated on a video together certainly helps. In general, the hate for the Irate Gamer isn't nearly as prevalent as 10 years or so ago. | |
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When Eberron was first released, it was very different from any previous settings. Until that point, D&D settings had mostly been Standard Fantasy with Specific Gimmick, exceptions being the occassional weirdness. Eberron, while still ostensibly a fantasy setting, is far more Dungeon Punk and Film Noir-inspired. It also makes heavy use of Magi Tech, and frowns upon the Always Chaotic Evil trope that had been standard until 4th edition. By the time of it being released for 5th edition, however, the entire game had moved more toward Dungeon Punk and averting Always Chaotic Evil, and even the most adamant High Fantasy settings has some magitech going on. Keith Baker himself said that adapting the setting to 5th edition was easy. | |
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Gotham Girls: After the release of the just as good Harley Quinn (2019) cartoon, DC fans looked back at this for giving Harley some spotlight. It even had a good representation of a transgender woman during the third season. | |
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The Nostalgia Critic episode "Let's Play: Bart's Nightmare" has become this over time. When it was released in 2011 many considered it the worst video Doug Walker had ever done, either because you thought the completely different departure from his normal videos was jumping the shark and/or his style of commentary wasn't suited for Let's Plays. But almost a decade later many fans have now warmed up to it, especially with the backlash to his review of The Wall. | |
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Cartoon Monsoon: The variety show got some retrospective praise for launching the careers of Matt Danner, Mark Osborne, Roman Laney and Mike Disa. | |
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The fourth edition of Dungeons & Dragons was savaged as being "Oversimplified" enough to the point that Pathfinder was created as an alternative and for awhile considered the "Better" version. During The New '10s, it became known (partially through fifth edition) that fourth edition's approachability managed to help newer and younger players learn the rules more easily - even if they would later prefer other games that had more options and rules later on. It also excelled quite a bit with its combat and its easy rules for miniatures. For combat-fans, fourth edition's combat proved to be a very tactical and methodical experience with fights being treated as a linear progression where they would scale higher with each round or turn. One particular thing it was praised for, however, was helping to balance the classes more. 3.5e (and even Pathfinder to an extent) was plagued by hideous imbalances towards spellcasters, who could wipe out entire rooms by the time a martial class could even make their way over, and more utility spells were even made useful in combat due to their ability to affect the battlefield. It is considered to be a great game for those into miniatures - miniatures being more available as well as the increasing availability of 3D Printing helped alleviate the barriers to entry. | |
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For a long time Justice For All was (aside from the final case and even that has its share of detractors) seen as the worst game in the whole Ace Attorney franchise, for lacking the tight storyline of the first or third games, or the novelty factor of Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney or the first Ace Attorney Investigations game. Since then, opinions toward it have warmed considerably, to the point where it's actually now considered one of the better games in the series, only really let down by a poor third case and Franziska being a rather one-note adversary. Even the game's Sequel Difficulty Spike is looked on more favorably when compared to some of the newer entries, which have been criticized for being too easy. | |
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Magic: The Gathering: When the Odyssey cycle first came out, many players complained that it was underpowered and too focused on the graveyard. Since then, several of its cards have become staples in Legacy, and it's appreciated for introducing the idea of using the graveyard as a resource. The Kamigawa block was much maligned at launch for being underpowered compared to Mirrodin, as mentioned above. However, it would gain a more positive appraisal later on for multiple reasons. First, several cards from the set would later become prominent parts of decks in older formats, such as Gifts Ungiven, Umezawa's Jitte, and Blazing Shoal. Second, its bevy of legendary creatures gave it a bump in popularity with players of the Commander/EDH format (which requires a legendary creature to be your deck's commander), with many of its legends seen as viable in this format. Finally, the Japanese folklore- and mythology- inspired flavor has also gotten praise. Nowadays, while opinions on the sets themselves vary, the setting is one of the more popular ones, and was brought up as a candidate for being revisited enough that eventually Wizards returned to it in the Distant Sequel set Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty, which fared a lot better in terms of power level and flavor. |
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Back in 2017, LS Mark was quite despised amongst the YouTube community for his then-controversial "Why I Dislike Butch Hartman" video and his bland artwork. Though as his artwork started to improve and by the time Butch Hartman was starting to be a controversial figure, he started to gain quite a huge fanbase. | |
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Pleasant Goat and Big Big Wolf: No one really cared about the English dub when it originally aired on some countries' Disney Channels. No one made much of a note of it and very few people shared stuff relating to it online. After Disney stopped airing it, people became interested in it and they set out to find the dub and learn more about it. They were successful since Creative Power Entertaining decided to upload it due to an increase in fan demand. | |
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Lobo (Webseries): When it first came out, it was forgotten. In the early 2010s, it was rediscovered on Youtube and paved the way for similar superhero black comedy media such as The Suicide Squad, Deadpool (2016) and Harley Quinn (2019). It is also the very first TV-MA rated DC cartoon. | |
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Ace Attorney: When Apollo Justice was introduced as the new series protagonist in his namesake title, he got a very frosty reception, partially because he was replacing his popular predecessor without bringing much new to the table and partially because Phoenix Wright himself was dramatically retooled in a controversial way to make him better fit in as a mentor figure for Apollo. However, in the years since, Apollo's reputation has been rehabilitated through both getting more character focus and development in later titles, especially since Phoenix Wright's place as de-facto series protagonist is not quite as secure as it used to be. For a long time Justice For All was (aside from the final case and even that has its share of detractors) seen as the worst game in the whole Ace Attorney franchise, for lacking the tight storyline of the first or third games, or the novelty factor of Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney or the first Ace Attorney Investigations game. Since then, opinions toward it have warmed considerably, to the point where it's actually now considered one of the better games in the series, only really let down by a poor third case and Franziska being a rather one-note adversary. Even the game's Sequel Difficulty Spike is looked on more favorably when compared to some of the newer entries, which have been criticized for being too easy. |
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MarioTehPlumber has never had a good reputation because of his poor-quality "reviews" of Sonic the Hedgehog (and later Nintendo) games on YouTube that suffer from his screaming into the microphone, excessive profanity and more focus on character design than gameplay, not at all helped by his aggressive retaliation to those who called him out on his behaviour. However, in his early years he was one of the most despised YouTubers on the site. The main reason for this is that, because the Sonic franchise was already infamous for its extremely divided fanbase exacerbated by a significant Vocal Minority of unpleasantly obsessive fans by the time he first began making his videos, he quickly became subjected to Poe's Law; many of his viewers didn't realise that he is a Troll and believed he was a genuinely horrible person. As time passed and he continued his formulaic style, more and more viewers eventually caught on that he had been trolling them all along and his opinions are usually either fabricated or exaggerated, especially when he uploaded a few videos where he was actually calm. While his videos are still widely agreed to be really bad, the growing consensus that his YouTube persona isn't genuine has mitigated much of the vocal contempt towards him, and he has even managed to gain a small fanbase from those who think his videos are so over-the-top and idiotic as to be funny. | |
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The "Goat Format" of Yu-Gi-Oh! was very controversial during its original run. Coming after the first banlists wiped out many of the strong generic cards, many were angry to see the power level of the game be significantly turned down. They also disdained the fact that many decks shifted to very slow control-based strategies, particularly the infamous and format-naming Goat Control, where the attack-blocking Thousand-Eyes Restrict reigned supreme. However, retrospectives of the format tended to be rather good—as Power Creep kicked back into overdrive, many began to praise Goat Format as a period where games came down largely to strategy and moment-to-moment decisions rather than players racing their way to their win condition in a handful of turns. It also became nostalgically viewed as the time when "classic" Yu-Gi-Oh was at its best, as the banlist had reduced Complacent Gaming Syndrome and made the meta far more diverse than just Thousand-Eyes Restrict. Consequently, fans began holding "Goat Format" duels that attempted to duplicate the era, which blossomed into being the most successful unofficial format of the game's history. Konami even recognized its popularity by introducing an official alternative format called "Time Wizard" that operates using previous periods of time for the legal card set. | |
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