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A specific type of Historical Villain Upgrade and Beethoven Was an Alien Spy focused on Adolf Hitler. It is revealed that Hitler was not just a (particularly disturbed) human being, but was supernaturally evil, and existed with the primary purpose of deliberately going about causing large-scale misery, or was himself either possessed or being directly manipulated by otherworldly forces (of evil). Aliens may also stand in for supernatural beings. Either way, the core concept is that Hitler was so inhumanly evil precisely because he wasn't human. As befits a trope that's more about the legacy and legend of the War than its actuality, it's often done as backstory for the villain (à la, "How evil is he? Well, you remember Hitler...?"), rather than directly in a World War II setting. Like Hitler's Time Travel Exemption Act, it could easily be done with other famous warmongers, but in practice almost never is, except as part of a Julius Beethoven da Vinci where Hitler was also several other famously evil people (in which case, there's a good chance he was also Genghis Khan and Jack the Ripper). At least, this is the case in Western media. Japanese media have something similar going on with Oda Nobunaga; see Demon King Nobunaga for this trope's Jidaigeki counterpart. The trope can obviously overlap with Stupid Jetpack Hitler and/or Ghostapo. Expect this to happen in a Weird Historical War set in WWII. If the villain was The Dragon for Hitler, but Hitler himself remains more or less the same as the historical one, see Piggybacking on Hitler. |
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Played with in In Nomine Satanis / Magna Veritas, as well as their American version, In Nomine: Although some notable historical events (such as the Crusades) resulted from celestial or infernal intervention, Hitler's actions were independent and a complete surprise to both Heaven and Hell. Then again, a lot of other important historical events weren't directly caused by angels or demons, as a running theme is that most of them really aren't as good at playing "secret mastermind" as they think. Also, in the American In Nomine, Hitler's success at bringing about the Holocaust without infernal assistance actually torments the Demon Prince of Death, who becomes obsessed with finding a way to top it. |
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In the beginning of the Empire from the Ashes trilogy, Hitler is singled out as having been one of the starship mutineers who have been manipulating humanity since the rise of civilization. He was doing it For the Evulz. | |
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In Grimm, an episode had some ancient coins as an Artifact of Doom, giving their holder great charisma, but were addictive and drove the user mad. The hero's partner and later his captain were under their influence, and the villains of the episode were searching for them. It turns out their effects were responsible for Hitler and several other historical Big Bads. Not only that, but it's revealed that Hitler was in fact a Wesen of the Schakale variety, who are socially skilled, though violent and aggressive Child Eaters. The series was fond of doing this with other historical characters as well. Like Caligula allowing alligator Wesen to live in his aqueducts, or implying Rasputin was a Wesen whose mystic deeds were all done by giving off natural chemotherapy. |
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In Plan 7 of 9 from Outer Space the Big Bad reveals that he's actually been various notorious villains throughout history, including the most evil man ever: Adolf Hitler! No-one is impressed, because in their Alternate History Hitler is just a hack writer of pulp sci-fi novels. | |
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The Old World of Darkness has another Inverted example, as of Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition: September 11th, 2001. Sadly, no one told the Camarilla this before they pulled every string they could trying to confirm The Sabbat's (non-existent) involvement... And revealed the existence of the Kindred to the Global Intelligence Community... Whoops... | |
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An old Blue Beetle comic from back during WWII (pre DC) had Dan Garrett go to Germany, only to discover to his horror, that Hitler, was in fact, The Devil! | |
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In the Callahan's Crosstime Saloon story "Unnatural Causes", the alien Broodseven-Sub-Two Raksha claimed to have been Hitler and that the entirety of WWII an alien plot designed to push humanity into developing atomic weapons. | |
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In Nephilim while there were some Nephilim who incarnated in Nazis, noone is sure if Hitler was. Or wants to take credit. | |
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In Wonder Woman Vol 1 #2 it is claimed the God Mars, who has conquered the planet Mars, is responsible for war on Earth. His three lieutenants, the Earl of Greed, the Duke of Deception and Lord Conquest, are influencing the Axis Leaders. In the second chapter Greed is shown contacting Hitler, Agent NZ-1, whose 'warped mind' picks up the radio waves. When Greed in astral form speaks to Hitler, Hitler thinks it is his own intelligence. | |
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Harry Potter strongly implies that the rise of Grindelwald and the First Wizarding War may have had something to do with the Second World War; both events take place during the same time frame and mirror each other in quite a few ways (for example, Grindelwald's imprisonment in a Spandau-like prison). Word of God is that every last bit of the similarities are intentional, but is vague on whether Grindelwald actually influenced or helped Hitler. | |
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Nemesis the Warlock: It turns out that Hitler was one of the past incarnations of Big Bad Torquemada, who is a warmongering fascist dictator in his own right, but unlike Hitler already rules over all humanity in the far future, so his enemy are the "alien vermin". | |
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The Dresden Files: Bob implies that the evil necromancer Kemmler is ultimately responsible for WWII (he works with corpses and needed raw materials). Whether or not he's involved specifically with Hitler is less clear. | |
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Supernatural: The demon Alistair implies he had a hand in the creation of the extermination camps in Nazi Germany. In a later episode, the Horsemen War comments that he was over in Germany to cause havok during both World Wars. |
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In James P. Hogan's Giants' Star, Terrans discover that a group of humans from another star system have infiltrated us for millennia, teaching superstition and bigotry, trying to hamper our development and later to make us destroy ourselves. During a confrontation, a Terran spokesperson says the enemy intended World War II to be an all-out nuclear exchange, but didn't quite manage it, and asks: | |
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The Great Leader of Shocker from Kamen Rider is not only implied to have been behind Hitler's rise, but also is secretly several 'later' Showa Rider main villains, due to him being a living embodiment of evil. He's also an alien... or a mutant... or a demon... | |
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The Twilight Zone (1959): The episode "He's Alive" suggests that Hitler is some kind of supernatural being able to give advice (and orders) to those venerating his image. | |
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Played with in Persona 2: Innocent Sin. Hitler is apparently revived using the power of rumors and a conspiracy theory that he escaped the bunker instead of committing suicide; however, it's revealed that this Hitler is actually none other than Nyarlatothep. | |
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It seems that Hitler himself was totally human in Night Watch (Series), but he and the Nazis in general were strongly influenced by the Night Watch's attempts to create a utopia. (There have actually been several such attempts, and they all backfired horribly in one way or another.) In another novel by the same author, Autumn Visits, Hitler had a supernatural clone, the Vector of Art, who competed with six others like him (e.g. Stalin's clone, the Vector of Power, who killed and replaced the original) to Take Over the World and lost. |
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In The Shadowspawn, vampiric race admixture is the explanation for the ruthlessness, high intelligence, nocturnal habits and uncanny luck of many historical dictators: they are just enough vampire to have some low-key magic and typical mental characteristics, though not enough to hunt for blood. Hitler is said to be one example, with such abilities helping him survive his dangerous duties in World War I and later aiding his rise to power. Mildly subverted, in this instance, in that Hitler wasn't either a conscious vampire scion or in any way in on the vampires' massive global conspiracy that secretly rules the world; if anything, he actually fought against it, with the Western Allied nations and the Communist USSR being its firmest strongholds during World War II. He just had some unusual abilities and talents that helped him pursue his own objectives. | |
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The X-Files: In the episode "Je Souhaite", Mulder and Scully meet a Jackass Genie who was responsible for Mussolini's rise and fall. | |
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Wonder Woman (2017) features General Erich Ludendorff as the primary Big Bad. He is given a Historical Villain Upgrade with him murdering the German High Command and intending to continue World War I (that the Germans already effectively lost) with a new gas weapon that can murder hundreds of civilians. This, combined with his War Is Glorious speech, convinces Wonder Woman that Ludendorff is really Ares, the God of War, in disguise and that killing him would end the war immediately. Subverted: When she finally did kill him, to her dismay, the Germans still continue to fight and the real Ares reveals that while he did gave humans new weapons and formulas over the eons, he never pushed them into war... They went to war by their own choice. | |
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Downfall (2004) took some criticism in Germany for portraying Hitler as a flawed and broken human. The director actually invoked this trope in his defense: if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to Earth to do very bad stuff, we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past. | |
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Rocket Ranger didn't have Hitler, but it put forth that Nazis were aliens who established their base of operations on the moon. | |
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The Legend of Koizumi seems to be heading in this direction, as not only does it play Stupid Jetpack Hitler and Ghostapo completely straight (there's a Nazi base on the Moon, for crying out loud!) but Hitler is described as "the greatest sorcerer of the twentieth century" and has ridiculous occultic mahjong powers. He got in a psychic duel with the Pope, a man who literally had God on his side, and won. | |
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Pretty Deadly does this with the First World War, which in the universe of the series was due to the Reaper of War getting above itself. | |
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The French comic Iznogoud has Hitler be an emissary of the Devil who is sent to our world to create destruction and terror. | |
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Sleepy Hollow had Judas Iscariot's coins, artifacts which caused the holder to turn against the friends, family, and deeply held beliefs. One holder was Benedict Arnold. | |
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The Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Wolf in the Fold" has an entity that was Jack the Ripper on Earth. | |
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Iron Sky: The Coming Race, has Hitler surviving to the present day as a Tyrannosaurus rex-riding David Icke-style reptilian in the Hollow Earth, who presumably orchestrated the events of the first movie and will use the resulting chaos and destruction to try to Take Over the World once more. Enjoy the trailer. | |
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One of the main plots of "Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel" from The Venture Bros. revolves around a dog that had been (somehow) infused with the genetic material of Hitler by a neo-Nazi cult. These cultists try to coerce Dr. Venture into cloning an actual human being from the dog. It turns out that the dog became so purely evil in the process that Dr. Orpheus has to intervene, and prepares a complex ritual to properly re-kill Hitler. | |
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Warhammer 40,000: The daemon prince known as Doombreed is one of the strongest and oldest of his kind, ascended by Khorne due to the immense bloodshed he'd caused. About his mortal life, little is known, and while there is no shortage of warlords causing wanton slaughter on such vast scales, it is strongly implied that he was originally known as Genghis Khan (although other candidates include Hitler himself, Stalin, or Pol Pot). Which makes the existence of the White Scars Space Marines even funnier (being heroic Space Mongols with bikes and boltguns instead of horses and bows). | |
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In the 1923 flashback issue of The Wicked + The Divine, it is revealed that the 1930s dictatorships and hence World War II were at least partly the result of a ritual by three particularly elitist and anti-democratic members of the Pantheon (Baal, based on T S Eliot, Set, based on Virginia Woolf, and Woden, based on Josef Goebbels) intended to set Earth's history on a path that would be agreeable to them. | |
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Implied in Operation Chaos by Poul Anderson, where a group of demons in Hell includes one who bears a striking resemblance to Hitler (although the protagonist, being from an Alternate History, doesn't recognise him). | |
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In The Ultimates, it's revealed that the shape-shifting alien race known as the Chitauri were highly involved with the Nazis. However, it's unclear how much of what the Nazis did was their idea, and in fact it seems like the Nazis had a greater influence on the Chitauri, as post-WWII, they mention that they kept the Nazi uniforms and symbols because they liked them. It is also implied that the Chitauri did not really approve of the racism and death camps, regarding them as forgivable excesses for the greater good which, to them, was the eradication of individuality. | |
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The Tomorrow People (1973): The episode "Hitler's Last Secret" had neo-Nazis possessed by the same alien power that had been Hitler. An earlier episode, "The Medusa Strain", featured a completely different "explanation" for Hitler: He was a con artist from the future who'd travelled back in time to evade justice. Although at least he was still human in that version. |
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In the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "Once More, With Feeling", the musical demon Sweet (who causes people to spontaneously burst into song and dance until they catch fire and die) claims to have given Nero his first fiddle. Another throwaway line suggests that Caligula became a vampire and later the serial killer called Jack the Ripper. | |
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The Lensman prequel Triplanetary says that Hitler was actually an Eddorian agent in disguise. The same agent was also Kaiser Wilhelm and the guy who started World War III. (This would require him to be in two places at once, since Hitler and the Kaiser were both alive at the same time, but this is hardly the most implausible thing in Triplanetary, which E. E. "Doc" Smith originally wrote as "a yarn in which scientific detail would not be bothered about, and in which his imagination would run riot". In First Lensman, he compounds the improbability, perhaps lampshade-wise, by adding Mussolini to the list.) | |
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The Wormwood: Gentleman Corpse arc "Mr. Wormwood Goes to Washington" casually mentions that the Third Reich was due to mass possession of its leadership by a malevolent extra-dimensional parasite species known as the Ghorass Fungus. | |
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In the Assassin's Creed Alternate History, Hitler was actually a Templar, using the Apple of Eden to control Nazi Germany to start World War II. In an interesting twist, Hitler was working with Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin, who were also Templars, and the entire point was to reshape the world order to be more favorable to the Templars. It is worth noting that in one of the letters than can be read in the game, it is all but outright said that Hitler was a lunatic anyway. And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those darned Assassins! | |
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