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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly Ripped from the Headlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as Jesus, Abraham Lincoln, or Albert Einstein). Oftentimes, the historical figure is someone you wouldn't expect would agree with you, thereby proving your point and showing just how cool they were simultaneously. A common variant is to have the person being quoted turn out to be somebody commonly considered one of history's greatest monsters (such as Adolf Hitler). In this situation, the person agreeing with the idea is shamed by showing that they are in agreement with a person they consider despicable. This often combines with a Strawman Political situation, since it reduces their real position to be synonymous with that of the bad figure, even if the resemblance is only superficial at best. See Godwin's Law for more information. Occasionally, the same thing is used in an opposite manner; to show that, just because an evil person agreed with it, doesn't mean it's wrong; sugar isn't bad just because Hitler Ate Sugar. Sometimes, the person doing the quoting is actually pointing out that the other person agrees with someone considered despicable, to illustrate the universality of the idea. After all, even Hitler thought that walking upright was a pretty good idea. This is mainly used to show that the technique is rhetorical rather than logical. Played straight, this can be an elaborate biographical snapshot, where it's revealed that the subject is a historical figure (good or bad) whose origin and backstory are often overlooked. These sort of anecdotes are often greatly entertaining, although be aware that the narrator may be sensationalizing or distorting the facts to justify his own theory of what this person actually believed. Other times, however, It's All True. There's also the little matter of the person missing the point—pointing out someone who approved or disapproved of a notion fails to explain why exactly that notion is a good one or a bad one. The implication is usually that the person being quoted knows what he or she is talking about. More often, though, it's an Appeal to Authority or an Association Fallacy and the person quoting them (or the author) is failing at logic. After all, whether a statement is true or false has little to do with the moral character of the person who said it; a good person can say incorrect things and an evil person can say true things. See also What Do You Mean, It's Not Symbolic?. Compare Appeal to Familial Wisdom, when the quote-ee is a relative. For another type of meaningful concealed character, see …And That Little Girl Was Me. Sister trope to Historical Person Punchline, when this happens in a full story rather than just a quote. Compare Quoting Myself. |
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Tales from the Crypt: There was an episode wherein the antagonist, a corrupt mortician, is constantly doing this with the Bible. For example, at one point he says "Like the Bible says, 'Penny saved, penny earned.'" He is told that the quotation is actually from Benjamin Franklin. Later in the episode the same formula is inverted by the same character against him in a cruelly ironic way. There was another episode with a young thug (who may be undead) who does the same thing with the quotes of various religions. For instance, at one point he attributes "first come, first serve" to Guatama Buddha. |
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Zen Pencils has been called a Framing Device for nothing but one You Know Who Said That? moment after another. | |
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CSI: NY: Played for a laugh in "Blood Out". Mac is interrogating a suspect who insists that he's telling the truth. | |
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A chapter of Runaways has Nico go into a church and quote The Bible to a priest, who immediately assumes that she is a New Age goth until she reveals the source of her quotation. | |
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In Slings & Arrows, Sanjay has a habit of making up quotes that support his (totally absurd) claims, and attributing them to Richard Nixon. | |
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The movie Airplane! plays the trope surprisingly straight. When Ted Stryker has lost his confidence and refuses to help land the plane, Dr. Zumack tells of him about a dying pilot whose last words were about agreeing with his captain’s decision during a dangerous mission. The pilot is George Zipp, and his captain was Ted Stryker. Hearing this restores Ted's confidence and leads him to fly the plane again. | |
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Max starring a young art student named Hitler and his idealistic mentor/sponsor Max Rothman is an entire movie built around this trope. It's also the subject of one of Paul Harvey's stories. | |
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Parodied on The Daily Show in a segment where Stephen Colbert plays a pundit who thinks the media has a responsibility during wartime to report only encouraging nationalistic stories. | |
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In an episode of Red Dwarf, Lister asks, "Wasn't it Descartes who said, 'I am what I am'?" to which Rimmer replies, "No, it was Popeye the sailor man." Later in the same episode, Lister gives the quote again, attributing it to Popeye. Kryten says that he always thought it was Descartes, and Lister replies, "Me too, man. It's so easy to get those two dudes mixed up." | |
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In an early issue of Robin, Two-Face and his gang use automatic weapons to slaughter an entire convention of lawyers (wearing tuxedoes and evening gowns, no less!), an action for which one Gotham police detective jokingly suggests giving them medals. Two-Face quickly learns that his henchmen are nowhere near as well-read as he is. | |
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In Star Trek: First Contact, Will Riker, attempting to inspire Zefram Cochrane still cynical on the day of his first warp flight about the role in human history he's been told he'll have, tells him "Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgment." When Cochrane, annoyed by the triteness of the proverb, asks him who said that, Riker replies "You did, ten years from now." (This possibly creates a Stable Time Loop.) | |
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The Life of David Gale invokes Godwin's Law with this. The film revolves around a university teacher and political activist who is firmly against capital punishment. During a televised debate, he baits his opponent like this: | |
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An in-universe example in Words of Radiance — when Moash attempts to convince Kaladin to go with his plan of vengeance, Kaladin sums up his outlook roughly as "the end justifies the means". When Moash joyfully agrees, Kaladin tells him that this is exactly what the man they're both trying to kill said when he wronged them. | |
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In the 2004 Starsky & Hutch movie: We get this bit of dialogue: In a later scene, it is attributed to be from William Shakespeare, when actually the quote derives from Alexander Pope. |
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In Gladiator, Emperor Commodus and Maximus have a final 'brotherly' moment before their duel in the arena. Commodus mocks Maximus' lack of fear for his own death, and Maximus tells his enemy that someone once told him "Death smiles at us all. All we can do is smile back". Commodus wonders whether the friend did so at his own death, and Maximus replies that out of anyone, Commodus should know. The man was Marcus Aurelius, the father he murdered. | |
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The A-Team: Hannibal gets into some Quote-to-Quote Combat with B.A., who has studied philosophy and embraced pacifism during his time in prison. | |
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In one of the video fanfics that grew out of the I'm a Marvel... And I'm a DC parody commercials, the Joker, trying to explain his motives, asks Batman who it was who said "Better to reign in hell than serve in Heaven." Batman points out that he's quoting the Devil. | |
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That big quote from The West Wing? Every discussion forum that's ever argued the toss on LGBT rights has had someone quote it, despite its abundant flaws. | |
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In a similar vein, a popular Internet meme asks the reader to determine which out of a series of rather leftist-sounding statements is from The Bible, and which are from The Communist Manifesto. It then reveals at the end that every single statement is from The Bible, complete with chapter and verse. | |
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Edward R. Murrow did this against Senator McCarthy, as seen in Good Night, and Good Luck., regarding a quote from Julius Caesar. | |
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This quotation was also recited by Yoko Ono when performing with John Lennon in the 1970s, in order to draw parallels with the current political situation in the US. | |
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In the South Park episode, Damien, Stan gives Jesus the "Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgment." quote to encourage him before his fight with Satan. When Jesus asks who said it, Stan tells him he (Jesus) did. Stan later admits that he just heard the quote on Star Trek. | |
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Madam Secretary: President McCord has been counting on Congressman Heeney to support her in the impeachment investigations, but he explains to her husband Henry, who's an old family friend, that he's been refusing in the name of his own political survival. | |
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Star Trek: The Next Generation. Jean-Luc Picard, facing a Witch Hunt of a hearing, quotes the investigator's father speaking out against just such actions. The investigator takes the usage of her idolized father's quote against her so poorly that her superior watching immediately leaves and ends the investigation. | |
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