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The Clouds (Theatre)
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Strepsiades is in a twister. It's the 25th of the month, and he owes a couple of creditors more money than he cares to pay. To make things more complicated, his lazy, horse-obsessed son Pheidippides (named for his favorite animal, no thanks to Strepsiades' damnable wife, niece of Megacles that she is) is a leech, living at his father's house, even though he's well into adulthood. Then, a lightbulb flashes over Strepsiades' head: He will send his son off to the Thinkery, that wonderful school of rhetoric, and have him learn the fine art of bullshit. Perhaps, once the young man is armed with knowledge on how to win arguments, he will be able to shake the debts off Strepsiades' back. Of course, as both father and son learn, twisters are twisters for a reason and are not easily untwisted.Aristophanes' Ancient Greek comedy, originally written in 423 BCE and revised some years later, was originally written for Dionysia, a festival honoring Dionysus, the god of wine and partying. It shows, no thanks to the humor, which is crude and at times scatological. It treats the viewers like morons, making a complete fool out of Socrates (who, although he is a Magnificent Bastard, was certainly not an idiot) and making fun of his profession. Perhaps that's why it was voted last out of three plays which were performed at the Dionysia that year. Nevertheless it's still performed; it's the oldest of Aristophanes' works that anybody who isn't a specialist has heard of, and so is quite possibly the oldest comedy still staged with any regularity. | |
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Gone Horribly Right | |
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Gone Horribly Right: Strepsiades gets out of debt by turning his freeloading, parasitic son into a Manipulative Bastard and setting him the task of persuading his creditors to go away. He now has a freeloading, parasitic Manipulative Bastard of a son to deal with, and things begin to get worse, as his son does help him drive out the creditors, but then turns on him. | |
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Barefoot Loon | |
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Barefoot Loon: How Socrates is portrayed. | |
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We Win, Because You Didn't | |
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Strepsiades fails his exam in the final question, because his plan to escape certain conviction is to commit suicide. After all, if he is dead, they can't convict him. Socrates considers the answer stupid due to considering this "victory" not worth death. | |
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Take That, Audience! | |
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Take That, Audience!: In a fourth-wall-breaking moment. While it differs by translation, basically, the personification of Right Argument suggests clean living is important because otherwise you'll have a radish shoved up your ass and people will think you're a sodomite. The personification of Unjust Argument then points out there must be nothing wrong with being a sodomite, pointing to all of the ones in the audience. | |
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Volleying Insults | |
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Volleying Insults: The Arguments keep insulting each other during their argument. When Strepsiades' plan to make Pheidippides manipulative backfires, for Pheidippedes starts using his newfound wit on him, the two have an argument full of insults. | |
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Disproportionate Retribution | |
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Disproportionate Retribution: When the philosophers fail to teach his son properly, or rather teach him too well, Strepsiades sees fit to burn down the Thinkery. | |
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Bigger Is Better in Bed | |
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Bigger Is Better in Bed: Inverted. According to the play, if you're a good man, your penis will be nice and small. This reflects contemporary Greek values, which idolized prepubescent males (who aren't known for large penises). | |
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Giant's Droplet, Human's Shower | |
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Giant's Droplet, Human's Shower: Referenced by Strepsiades in conversation with Socrates when the latter explains to him that the gods do not exist, and that various metereological phenomena, such as rain and thunder, are caused not by gods, but by the clouds. Strepsiades admits that until now, he used to believe that rain is Zeus "pissing through a sieve." | |
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Jerkass Has a Point | |
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Jerkass Has a Point: While the Wrong Argument is... exactly what his name says, he has some arguments strong enough to make Right Argument admit defeat. He is absolutely right about how corrupt Zeus is, and Right Argument can only scream insults at this. He also points out most people are corrupt and thus take his side. Right Argument admits defeat right afterwards. | |
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Science Is Wrong | |
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Science Is Wrong: It's up to debate whether The Clouds is a diatribe against philosophy in general, or only against its excesses, but it certainly contains a very scathing portrayal of philosophical wisdom. | |
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Solar-Powered Magnifying Glass | |
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Solar-Powered Magnifying Glass: The gods used a set of lenses to ignite the Olympic torch. The only time Strepsiades answers one of the answers in Socrates' exam correctly, he thinks of using a magnifying glass to burn potential incriminating evidence. | |
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Good Angel, Bad Angel | |
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Good Angel, Bad Angel: The roles of Good and Bad Angel are played by a personified Right and Wrong arguments, who try to persuade the protagonist's son Pheidippides either to avoid or to enter into Socrates's sophistical "Thinkery," making this trope palaioteros apo to chôma. | |
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Foreshadowing | |
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Foreshadowing: Strepsiades admits to Socrates he would hang himself if it meant getting rid of his debtors. He does get rid of his debtors at a terrible cost, and when he realizes, it's too late. | |
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Bolt of Divine Retribution | |
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Bolt of Divine Retribution (discussed): In conversation with Socrates, farmer Strepsiades is baffled by Socrates' proposition that the gods are superstitions, and brings up lightning as evidence for the existence of Zeus, as surely lightning strikes are Zeus hurling his lightning bolts at perjurers. Socrates counters by naming several (according to him) well-known perjurers who never seem to be hit by lightning, and points out that lightning has been known to strike a temple of Zeus and Zeus' own sacred oak trees. He follows up with an (unplausibly convoluted) natural explanation for lightning. | |
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Pyrrhic Victory | |
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Pyrrhic Victory: Strepsiades fails his exam in the final question, because his plan to escape certain conviction is to commit suicide. After all, if he is dead, they can't convict him. Socrates considers the answer stupid due to considering this "victory" not worth death. Strepsiades succeeds at making his son manipulative and driving off his debtors with well-structured nonsense, taught by his son. But then his son turns on him, and even manipulates him into accepting that sons are allowed to hit their fathers and not just the other way round. | |
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Heaven Above | |
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Heaven Above: The Clouds presents Socrates as an atheist who denies the existence of a god who throws thunderbolts in favor of worshipping the clouds who shit out the thunder. As a parody of Socratic philosophy, the idea of worshipping clouds, the sky, and other objects of study in place of the actual gods is Played for Laughs. | |
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Take That! | |
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Take That!: An example lost to time; Strepsiades argues that Zeus throws lightning to smite evil-doers, but Socrates retorts that if he did so, wicked men like Simon, Cleonymus and Theorus wouldn't be alive anymore. That'd be pretty funny, if they hadn't died two thousand years before you read it. As it stands, it's only funny if you think about oathbreakers in general. | |
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Metaphorically True | |
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Metaphorically True: Socrates' teachings are based on relativity of everything and bending word meanings to suit one's will. | |
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ToiletHumor | |
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Toilet Humor: At one point, Strepsiades is speaking to one of the students at the Thinkery, surrounded by kneeling students. When he's told that they are studying the reaches of Hell, he's quick to point out that their "third eyes" are facing the sky. | |
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Hollywood Atheist | |
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Hollywood Atheist: Socrates and the sophists are portrayed as being atheists who don't believe there's any objective basis for morality, corrupting people with their philosophy. Atheism was among the charges against Socrates raised at his trial, possibly based on this perception (which he denied, while noting the contradiction in also being accused of worshiping new gods), and Plato portrays him as opposed to sophism. | |
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NEET | |
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NEET: Pheidippides starts as this before he goes to the Thinkery. | |
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