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Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_content_3'); })The male choices in female-centered love triangle usually comes with two archetypes: the kind-hearted, safe Gentleman and the edgy, dangerous Scoundrel. The Gentleman is a good guy: honest, upright, and noble. The Scoundrel is an outsider to the heroine's world (most of the time), dangerous and wild. It is a love triangle between a heroine and Noble Male, Roguish Male: a man who is safe versus a man who is exciting. The Gentleman is likely someone the heroine has known previously, the kind of man who represents the safety of her youth and home. The Scoundrel has a dangerous spark that attracts her into his world. That kind of danger is usually emotional in nature—the heroine risks a wild and unstable relationship with him, especially in contrast to the relative dependability of the Gentleman. Parents will favor the Gentleman and discourage dalliance with the Scoundrel, regardless of personality. Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_content_2'); })A discretionary angle features the heroine committing to a lifestyle via a man: choosing traditionalism vs passion or lasting happiness vs transient excitement. In these cases, one of the two men will almost always have a clearly undesirable personality. If the poorer character seems to fit the patterns of Gentleman better (or vice versa), the trope is Rich Suitor, Poor Suitor. Unlike with Betty and Veronica, the heroine often chooses early or midway into the story, and who she ends up with is usually dependent on the length of the work and how early she made a choice. If a choice is made very early, the heroine is more likely to end up with with that first choice after several setbacks with him. If the choice is made mid-way, then it was the Wrong Guy First. Otherwise be prepared for a while of agonizing UST and Will They or Won't They?. Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_content_1'); })Bear in mind that not every love triangle with two men is going to fit. Spear Counterpart to Betty and Veronica. Compare Noble Male, Roguish Male, All Girls Want Bad Boys and Single Woman Seeks Good Man. See Rich Suitor, Poor Suitor. Examples: |
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Emma: With Emma, George Knightley is the Gentleman and Frank Churchill is the Scoundrel. | |
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Alice Academy: Mikan has Ruka (the Gentleman) and Natsume (the Scoundrel). | |
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In The Notebook Allie has to choose between Lon Hammond Jr., a dashing young lawyer who is funny, charming, sophisticated, and comes from old Southern Money or the local country boy Noah Calhoun who threatens to jump off of the Ferris wheel if she doesn't go on a date with him and constantly fights fights with her. | |
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X-Men: One example was a long-running Love Triangle with Jean Grey, Cyclops (the Gentleman), and Wolverine (the Scoundrel). Cyclops was the square-jawed, righteous leader of the team who had been with Jean since the beginning. Wolverine was the short, hairy Anti-Hero who had a smoking, drinking, and killing problem. The love triangle between Havok, Polaris, and Iceman has Havok as the Scoundrel and Iceman as the Gentleman. Havok and Polaris have been through hell and back together since the earliest days of the comic. For a brief time, Rogue, she had the polite and sincere Magneto clone, Joseph, as the Gentleman and the dangerous charming thief Gambit as the Scoundrel. Eventually, she then she has Gambit as the Gentleman, who was the traditional choice that had a lasting love for her, and Magneto, the Scoundrel, former super villain. In Uncanny X-Force, Psylocke had to choose between the gentleman Archangel (an honourable, decent, superhero and Honest Corporate Executive) and the scoundrel Fantomex (a roguish, mysterious, master thief and mercenary). She started the series having reignited her long-term relationship with Archangel, but was aware that his Super-Powered Evil Side might become a problem; eventually it took over and she was forced to kill him. She then dated Fantomex for a while, but eventually realised that he was manipulating her, and dumped him. After which he, too, turned evil until she gave him a psychic lobotomy. |
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Vampire Knight: Yuuki has Kaname (the Gentleman) and Zero (the Scoundrel). However, the roles could potentially be switched. Zero is her "safe, comfortable friend", while Kaname is the exotic one that she believes she literally can't have. | |
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Gilmore Girls: Rory had to choose between boy-next-door Dean (Gentleman) and bad boy Jess (Scoundrel). | |
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Angel example: Fred had to choose between the tough, street-smart former gang leader Gunn (Scoundrel) and the bookish, nerdy Smart Guy Wes (Gentleman). (Ironically in Season 5 these roles are reversed, due to Wesley taking a level in badass and Gunn getting a brain implant). Eventually, she chose her Scoundrel, then broke up with him, turned to her Gentleman, died, became an ancient goddess, nearly killed both of them (one inadvertently), and then Wes died. | |
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That '70s Show: Donna chooses the nerdy, sweet childhood friend Eric (Gentleman) over the rebellious, tough Hyde (Scoundrel). In Season 4 there’s also Eric as the Gentleman and Casey Kelso as the Scoundrel. |
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In Miraculous Ladybug, Marinette must choose between her schoolmate: the kind, handsome, and incredibly wealthy Adrien Agreste, and her fellow superhero: the flirty, wisecracking Cat Noir. Marinette definitely favors Adrien, but since Adrien doesn't reciprocate her feelings (or rather, he does but he doesn't know he does), the triangle remains open. Er, rectangle? It’s complicated. | |
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Blue Exorcist; Shiemi appears to be liked by both the lead protagonist Rin, a Delinquent Hot-Blooded Anti Anti Christ, and his twin younger brother Yukio, an absurdly young, very polite teacher who has known Shiemi for many years. However, Rin is ultimately a true Nice Guy potential House Husband who is very considerate of Shiemi despite his No Social Skills while Yukio has various issues that results in him using Shiemi as a Living Emotional Crutch and is cripplingly shy in regards to Shiemi, as well as dealing with some Fantastic Racism that is partially internalized due to his heritage. In short, Yukio's Gentleman Facade hides someone who's increasingly unstable due to the pressures he gets put on him and puts on himself, while Rin's Scoundrel Facade is more from a lack of true experience at being an gentleman. So both fall under both options for Shiemi ultimately, as both are Nice Guys and both are dangerous in different ways. |
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In Naruto, there's Sakura who seems to be choosing between Naruto (the Gentleman) and Sasuke (the Scoundrel). Sakura never loved Naruto romantically, so once Sasuke straightens-up his act, she goes for him. Naruto falls in love with Hinata and marries her. | |
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Another genderflipped example: In Eden of the East, Osugi (Betty) and Takizawa (Scoundrel) to Saki's Archie. | |
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In Harry Potter, the trope is Played With in the Lily/Snape/James triangle: From Snape's perspective, he was always the Gentleman: the childhood friend who dearly loved the gentle Lily despite of her heritage, and James was the Scoundrel, an arrogant showoff. From James' perspective, he is the Gentleman: he comes from a good family and barring his mutual animosity with Snape, he gets along well with most people. He saw Snape as the Scoundrel: someone with a negative personality and chooses to affiliate himself with unsavory individuals whose core belief system includes discrimination in the type of people Lily is. With Lily, she was somewhat mercurial with James though there were hints she was attracted to him while she did have her friendship with Snape. While James eventually cooled down and stopped being so cocky, Snape continued associating with those who would become Death Eaters and by fifth year, Lily ceased being friends with him. By seventh year, she was going out with James, with her choosing the Gentleman and Snape the Scoundrel. |
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Bridget Jones: Bridget Jones's Diary plays this fairly straight between Mark Darcy (Gentleman) and Daniel Cleaver (Scoundrel). The film version even describes them as "too good to be true" and "so wrong he might just be right," respectively. By the end of the books, Mark has won, although when Helen Fielding continued the column, apparently Bridget was still torn between them and even ends up having Daniel's baby. Sigh. | |
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Princess Tutu plays with this trope in a way that approaches Cyclical Trope levels. First, we have Fakir (the Tsundere Scoundrel) and Mytho (the Gentleman) for Ahiru. However , their roles are subverted in the second season with Fakir as the the Gentleman to the Raven Prince Mytho's Scoundrel. On the other hand, while Ahiru seems The Betty to Rue's Veronica... Rue's certainly The Betty to Princess Tutu's Veronica for Mytho. And if we bring Princess Kraehe in this, this starts all over again. Plus, Autor could be the Gentleman for Rue while Mytho is the Scoundrel. | |
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In King of the Hill, Nancy Hicks-Gribble has been carrying on an affair with the Scoundrel, John Redcorn, while married to her Crazy Survivalist husband Dale (the Gentleman). | |
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Inuyasha: As a potential love interest for Kagome, the title character is usually the Scoundrel in comparison to characters such as Hojo (although in Koga's first appearance, he sort of fills the Gentleman role). | |
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The Twilight Zone (1959) Has this scenario in the episode entitled "Spur of the Moment." The story begins with a wealthy young woman named Anne. She is out for a horseback ride and before long she finds herself being chased by a woman she does not recognize. She rides back home in terror and is comforted by her fiance, Robert. (a wealthy banker). Despite being engaged to Robert, Anne is actually in love with an average boy named David. The two elope in the night before she was to marry Robert. Unfortunately for Anne David is an abusive drunk who drains the family's finances to the point that they're being evicted. Heartbroken by this, she mounts a horse and chases what is revealed to be her younger self to deliver a warning. Rod informs the audience that it is a mission that is forever doomed to end in failure. | |
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In the Stephanie Plum series, the protagonist of the same name is caught in a love triangle between her childhood friend Joe Morelli and the more mysterious Ranger. | |
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In Peach Girl, Momo spent years with a crush on the chivalrous and polite Toji, until she finally gets him. They guy helping her out on the way is Kairi, a lecherous, school-skipping bad boy she discovers she now has feelings for. Throughout the series she bounces back and forth between them, until finally she ends up with Kairi. | |
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In Dragon Age: Origins, Alistair is the sweet-hearted, noble Gentleman and Zevran the sex-crazy assassin Scoundrel. | |
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Prétear seems to set this up between Himeno, Sasame (a good listener, explains things to Himeno) and Hayate (troubled, acts like a jerk who wants nothing to do with Himeno), especially in the manga. The anime is more... complicated. Note that she meets them both at the same time, and that in the manga they are presented as equal candidates. In the anime, well. Again, it's complicated. | |
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As in the comics, happens in X-Men Film Series. There's a minor one with Bobby/Rogue/Pyro, with Bobby as the gentleman and Pyro as the scoundrel. The more central Scott/Jean/Logan comes complete with lampshade hanging. | |
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Shugo Chara!: Amu has Tadase (the Gentleman) and Ikuto (the Scoundrel). | |
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In His Girl Friday, Hildy is to choose between gentleman Bruce and scoundrel Walter. Fits the trope to a t, seeing how she ends up with the man she originally chose, Walter, after divorcing him and starting her relationship with Bruce. | |
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In Mass Effect 2: Garrus and Jacob are both steady, reliable people (and Garrus is an old friend), while Thane is a dark, mysterious, broody assassin. | |
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In Thundercats 2011: Lion-O (Gentleman) has a crush on Cheetara which makes his older brother Tygra (Scoundrel) jealous. She had always loved Tygra, so she chooses him. | |
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Elisabeth: Sisi struggles with a choice: life with the kind, noble Emperor Franz Joseph who loves her unconditionally but is too busy with state affairs and being a Mama's Boy to defend her, or suicide/death with the roguish, darkly attractive but cruel Death? She runs into Death's arms and embraces him at the end. | |
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Romeo and Juliet: Juliet's decision between her two suitors. Paris courts her in the "proper" way, by asking her father's permission. Romeo crashes her family party with his buddies (who are not welcome there). Paris definitely represents tradition, and Romeo represents passion and danger. | |
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Les Filles d'à côté has the flat-sharing characters of Daniel and Marc. Daniel is a suave sophisticate in a settled well-paying job with a model girlfriend. His ligger best friend and embarrassing flatmate Marc... isn't. | |
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Wuthering Heights has this as a central theme. Catherine must decide between Heathcliff and Edgar Linton— one a childhood friend with whom she shares a relationship approaching siblinghood, the other the eldest son of a neighboring wealthy family. While Catherine repeatedly asserts that she and Heathcliff are one, her family believes marrying Linton will bring them more prestige, and this is her ultimate choice. Arguably, it is this decision that ultimately kills her, as after a prolonged separation from Heathcliff, seeing him again throws her into a fatal coma presumably from sheer excitement. | |
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Cardcaptor Sakura: Sakura has Yukito (the Gentleman) and Syaoran (the Scoundrel). Played with in the end: Yukito ended up with Sakura's brother, and by the time Sakura fell for Syaoran, he was far more of a Gentleman than a Bad Boy. In the anime, Syaoran has Sakura (Gentleman) and Meiling (Scoundrel). Again, Sakura and Syaoran get together, and shortly before that Meiling says "I Want My Beloved to Be Happy!". |
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Mansfield Park: With Fanny, Edmund is the Gentleman and Henry is the Scoundrel. | |
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Pride and Prejudice: With Elizabeth, Darcy is the Gentleman and Wickham is the Scoundrel. | |
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From Lost, Kate must choose between noble doctor Jack, the Gentleman, and Southern con-artist Sawyer, as the Scoundrel. | |
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Subverted in Not Another Teen Movie, where Janey, having to choose between Jake (The Jock who dates her only because of a bet with his Jerk Jock buddy) and Ricky (the annoying, whiny loser of a "friend"), chooses the former, causing him to have a change of heart, while the latter remains an annoying whiny loser. | |
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The Phantom of the Opera has Christine choose between her childhood sweetheart and general Knight in Shining Armor Raoul and the insane, brooding, but more passionate Phantom. Although Word of God says that Christine loves the Phantom the most, in the end she chooses the Safe Option, Raoul. | |
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From Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, the quiet medic and old acquaintance Mical is the gentleman, and Atton Rand is the Han Solo-like Scoundrel smuggler. | |
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Sense and Sensibility: With Marianne choosing between Brandon (the Gentleman) and Willoughby (the Scoundrel) | |
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Bram Stoker's Dracula has (although Bram Stoker's Dracula does not) a version with Mina chooses between Dracula as the Scoundrel and her much more average fiance Jonathan as the Gentleman. Dracula dies, but it is not made entirely certain that Mina goes back to Jonathan. | |
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In Pirates of the Caribbean Elizabeth must choose between Jack (the Scoundrel) and Will (the Gentleman). Since Elizabeth chooses Will early, she ends up with him after some amount of flirtation with Jack. | |
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In Uncanny X-Force, Psylocke had to choose between the gentleman Archangel (an honourable, decent, superhero and Honest Corporate Executive) and the scoundrel Fantomex (a roguish, mysterious, master thief and mercenary). She started the series having reignited her long-term relationship with Archangel, but was aware that his Super-Powered Evil Side might become a problem; eventually it took over and she was forced to kill him. She then dated Fantomex for a while, but eventually realised that he was manipulating her, and dumped him. After which he, too, turned evil until she gave him a psychic lobotomy. | |
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Doctor Who has (or had) Amy between childhood friend and eternally devoted Rory (Gentleman) and the adventurous Doctor (Scoundrel). | |
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In Stephanie Meyer's Twilight saga, Edward is the Scoundrel, and Jacob is the Gentleman. While Jacob is more forceful and direct than the well-mannered Edward, Edward's life invited danger and death into her life, and was the choice her parents couldn't stand, while Jacob is the old friend boy-next-door who dependably offers Bella emotional support. | |
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The 2010 Rupert Grint movie Cherrybomb, with Michelle having to choose between the (relatively) safe and dependable Malachy (Gentleman) and the rebellious, dashing Luke (Scoundrel). | |
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Kitchen Princess: Najika has Sora (the Gentleman) and Daichi (the Scoundrel). | |
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In The Hunger Games, Katniss' original choice was not between a Gentleman and a Scoundrel, as they were both dependable people. However, as the series progresses, Peeta reveals himself as the Gentleman who cares deeply for Katniss and desires her safety, and Gale the Scoundrel revolutionist who desires to entangle Katniss in that world. | |
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Fruits Basket: Tohru has Yuki, a stoic princely type who is always polite to Tohru, and Kyo, a hotblooded delinquent who tends to insult Tohru at first. She only meets Yuki a short time before Kyo, and that's befgore it's shown that both guys are more complex than it seems. | |
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In Veronica Mars, there's several instances of this throughout the entire series. Duncan, the Gentleman, and Logan, the Scoundrel. Piz (Gentleman)-Veronica-Logan (Scoundrel). | |
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In Penny and Aggie. Although Penny has dated both Badass Biker Rich and Nice Guy Duane, she finds that she genuinely loves only the former. Thus, when one of her hypothetical future selves urges her to use "common sense" in deciding whether to run away with Rich, this is her sarcastic response: | |
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In Dragon Age II, Anders and Fenris are both broody, mysterious, and lead dangerous lives, while Sebastian is a chaste Chantry boy. | |
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From Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Early seasons also have Buffy's friend Xander as the Gentleman and the vampire Angel as the Scoundrel. While both relatively dangerous, Angel is the original man who ultimately tries to do good and be a good choice for Buffy, and Spike is the dangerous and deadly killer who was fairly remorseless through most of the series. |
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