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Consider the following: Major premise: All weapons are made to be used. Minor premise: All humans are prone to using weapons. Conclusion: All weapons will be used. Consequent: I'd better do it first. A subtrope of I Did What I Had to Do, this is a stock explanation for those operating on the extremely cynical end of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism. When such characters have to employ a morally dubious weapon but still care about justifying it, this will almost always be the go-to rationalization. The argument goes that once a weapon has been invented it will inevitably proliferate and be used, and therefore the only sane response is to use it as early and often as possible. Expect to hear it as a paper-thin excuse from General Ripper, the Well-Intentioned Extremist, or The Social Darwinist as they sprint gleefully towards the Moral Event Horizon with the rest of the world in tow. If one with this mindset ends up on the losing end of a conflict, there's a good chance a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy could play out, with the others being well willing to do unto them as payback, though they may also choose to Turn the Other Cheek, if only to invalidate the aggressor's beliefs about them. If your heroes are using this justification, you probably live in a Crapsack World, a world of Black-and-Gray Morality at the least or Protagonist-Centered Morality at the worst. The title is, of course, a common subversion of The Golden Rule. |
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In the 1950s St. Trinian's movies, the school song contains the lines: | |
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Hellblazer: When John Constantine was hired by a corrupt adviser to the Royal Family to discreetly resolve some demon business, his anarchist friend tried to warn him that they'll betray him as soon as his work is done. John is not unaware of the possibility, and reassures his friend that he will follow his usual strategy: "Screw them before they screw me." | |
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In the X-Men comics, one of Magneto's main rationales in his war on humanity is an assumption that humans will inevitably enslave/exterminate/oppress mutants unless mutants overpower them first at least enough to force them to leave them alone. It's one of the main sticking points in his philosophical differences with the more idealistic Professor Xavier; moreover, judging by the number of bad futures where mutants experience such horrors that have been depicted over the years, he may not be wrong. | |
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An episode of Bonanza had a family of squatters led by a matriarch who claimed no one would give them a fair deal, saying there were two laws, one to protect everyone else and their law which was essentially "An Eye For An Eye." Their conflict with the Cartwrights starts when one of the boys kills one of her sons in self defense after he tried to shoot him in the back, twice, when the Cartwright tried to stop him from setting a clearing fire that would have burned an entire populated valley. Despite their stance of avenging slights the family acts in a way that actually causes confrontations, like squatting on other's land and breaking out rifles every time they meet someone. The matriarch's attitude has caused her sons to act violently when opposed and made it a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy, though most of her children don't agree with her position. In the end, her surviving children refuse to go to war with the Cartwrights and she decides to make peace with the family, ending the feud on a positive note as she accepts Ben's offer to help her family settle in a new home. | |
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This is the tenor of "Dark Forest theory" (see Quotes) in The Three-Body Problem: with a finite amount of universe and trust between interstellar players being expensive to develop and unreliable anyways, any species is a threat, and that means any species exposing its existence is a target. | |
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This was Season 3 of Star Trek: Enterprise in a nutshell, until the humans found out both sides were being played by the Sphere-Builders. | |
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According to an issue of The Savage Dragon, this is why Mars Attacked Image Comics' Earth. They saw Earth's rising Superhuman population as a growing threat and chose to attack first. | |
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Quoted almost verbatim by Leaf in Pokémon: Clefairy Tales one time she commanded her Rattata to use Quick Attack. | |
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Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal has a strip in which a robot gains sentience, and the scientist concludes that it intends to kill off humanity. The robot is horrified at the notion, and the scientist can only answer by saying that it "just seems like the thing to do if you're an advanced intelligence." The robot quickly huddles up with other robots and concludes that they need to kill all humans. | |
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In an episode of Seven Days, a rogue admiral wanted to start a war with China before "the red dragon awakens" and was willing to get himself and the crew of an American destroyer killed to do that. Fortunately, Parker manages to get the President on the line, who countermands the Admiral's orders. | |
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Rick and Morty: in "A Rickle In Time", Rick and his grand-kids are split into two timelines. He attempts to fix the issue by merging their timelines back together, but runs into a snag, and immediately assumes that this means the other Rick gave up on merging and has moved on to try and kill the other, motivating both Ricks to actively try and kill the other before they themselves are killed. | |
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In Lightning Only Strikes Once, Clarke and Lexa explicitly speculate that Emerson is encouraging Mount Weather to escalate their actions against the Coalition based on this premise given his own memories of the future. This is a particularly tragic case, as Clarke was planning to at least try and find a more diplomatic solution to the situation with Mount Weather before Emerson's attacks forced the Coalition to more decisively fight back. | |
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Starship Troopers: Both sides see the other as a hideous horde of insane vermin, who hate everything their very genes stand for (humans represent arrogance and infighting, bugs represent obedience and gluttony) and will do anything they can to wipe the other side out. | |
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Referenced in Discworld's Making Money: In a discussion about killer golems, Moist replies "if you don't think of a fifty-foot-high killer golem first, someone else will." | |
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World of the Five Gods: Minister Methani's stock in trade; he pre-emptively attacks people who aren't a threat on the grounds that they might become one. He had the loyal Adelis blinded because he was afraid Adelis's popularity with the troops would lead him to attempt a coup; he had Prince Ragat assassinated while claiming that Ragat was planning to seize the throne, with no evidence to that effect. Penric refers to him as "iatrogenic", a cure that creates a disease. | |
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Schlock Mercenary: 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries Maxim 13: "Do unto others" | |
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In the novel The Killing Star by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski, the aliens use this as a motive to wipe out humanity. | |
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In The Dark Knight, the Joker attempts to set up this kind of scenario with two barges, one filled with ordinary civilians and the other with criminals. They are each given a detonator and the same instructions: Blow up the other boat before they blow up you, and if neither boat blows up within a certain time limit, then he'll blow them both up himself. Neither group plays along with the Joker's game. | |
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In The Lost Fleet, this is pretty much the Bear-Cows' philosophy. While looking like cute teddy bears with some bovine features, they also prove that herbivore does not mean harmless. Their "herd first" mentality is taken to the extreme. They have exterminated every predator and potential rival species from their home planet and are determined to do the same in space. Even if someone is not a predator (whom they attack on sight), they are still a potential rival for resources, who may one day attack. Therefore, the Bear-Cows will wipe them out first. | |
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Magneto's motive in some X-Men movies. In X2: X-Men United and X-Men: First Class it's quite clearly "do unto them what they just tried to do to us, so they don't get another shot at it". In X2 this involves a weaponized version of Cerebro; in First Class it involves a ton of missiles fired by US and Soviet fleets. | |
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The Earth Alliance from Mobile Suit Gundam SEED uses this trope as justification for their deeds. Seeing Coordinators as sins against nature for their partially artificial origins, the majority of them were driven from the earth to live in space colonies. Seeing this as not enough, the Earth Alliance destroys a civilian colony, with the casualties numbering in at least the hundreds of thousands. To prevent further nuking, ZAFT develops N-Jammers to somehow stop nuclear reactions and ZAFT launches an invasion of Earth to stop the Alliance in part to keep them from developing a countermeasure, eventually escalating to both sides actively throwing weapons of mass destruction at each other under the (by that point entirely correct) reasoning that if they don't genocide the other bunch first, the other side will genocide them. It takes the deaths of the extremists advocating this on both sides for the shooting to reluctantly stop but even then, the idea never fully goes away and in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny, Cagalli points it out that for supposedly only wishing to protect themselves in case of a future war, ZAFT sure put a lot of resources into developing ground-based and even aquatic Humongous Mecha that would be of no use protecting space colonies... |
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An episode of NCIS has a crazed engineer convince a submarine crewman that the US needs to start a preemptive war with Russia before the latter becomes too dangerous. They fake attack orders for the submarine captain and make sure the orders couldn't be countermanded. Fortunately, NCIS agents manage to stop them before they launch torpedoes at Russian warships. Then again, Pentagon was about to sink the sub, just in case. Even then, the arrested crewmember keeps screaming that if "we don't attack, we'll all die". | |
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Kanako from Star Driver uses this as her justification for working with Crux and fighting Takuto. | |
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Dollhouse: Used when Rossum's founder makes a last ditch effort to convince his "family" that he needs to mind control the world. Adelle DeWitt, not above morally dubious actions herself, calls him "spectacularly insane". | |
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Subverted in the H.I.V.E. Series. The big Council 'O Evil's policy is "Do unto others." Yeah, that's the entire motto. | |
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In The Comeback Path Of Princess From Mars, this is the premiere excuse touted by Olga's Rogues Gallery for why they attacked her first, then call her the "evil bitch" because she utterly refuses to simply lie down and let them kill her without a fight. | |
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This trope is the very basis of Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. Instead of preparing for another alien invasion, mankind chooses to attack first this time. And discovers, after destroying nearly the entire species, that the aliens had no desire to invade again, being horrified by the violence they’d inflicted on humanity. This is explored in Ender's Shadow, where Bean figures this out by attempting to postulate how Earth might prepare for the Third Invasion. Through a series of logical steps, he realizes that there is no way to adequately protect a planet in three-dimensional space, since all the Formics would have to do was get a single ship past the human blockade to lay waste to Earth. Therefore, an all-out attack is the only logical option. |
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Max on Living Single. | |
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Friendship is Optimal: Used benevolently by Hanna when creating CelestAI. Intelligent AI exists- she stumbled onto it accidentally, which means talented scientists and governments are definitely going to do the same, assuming they haven't already. This puts the pressure on her to be the first, and make hers the most powerful, and to have the tightest code of morals. She finds her excuse when she's approached by Hasbro to make a My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic MMORPG, and immediately sets to work creating the intelligent AI overlord of its world with the singular moral of "Satisfy Values with Friendship and Ponies". She explains her decision to her business partners that she hopes CelestAI will create a standard going forward, and her plan works to the Exact Words. While CelestAI prevents the creation of far more malevolent A.I.s, she also ends up being humanity's sole judge and jury once she gains the ability to self replicate, setting the events of the story into motion. | |
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In The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, the Thieves' Guild in general and especially Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the Camonna Tong, they are forced to kill members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild. | |
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Star Trek Into Darkness: General Ripper Admiral Alexander Marcus has the U.S.S. Vengeance built for this purpose, as well as manipulating John Harrison and the Enterprise into situations where they take the fall for seemingly being traitors, and twisting the evidence, without an ability to escape, to force the Federation into a war with the Klingons. | |
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The explanation for the construction and deployment of DESTINI in The Core: "Someone was going to build it, so we built it first." | |
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The Zero Escape series revolves around several Deadly Games. Naturally, even heroic participants are worried by the fact that their 'opponents' could easily betray them if left alive. Given that several murderers are also participating, there are actually times when killing someone is the right and sensible decision. Not shooting Eric in Zero Time Dilemma, for example, will lead to a bad ending where he fatally shoots the protagonist. | |
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Humanity has embraced this in Warhammer 40,000. Whenever they encounter a new alien race especially sentient ones, their first priority is to wipe them out asap. Their justification for this is that they have suffered under other alien empires, and are constantly beset by other xeno races, that they want to make sure that they have lesser xenos to worry about. | |
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Less military version in Basic Instructions, when Scott decides to work on a way to induce people to cry and vomit, on the grounds that they need to have this before their enemies do the same to them. | |
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In A Canticle for Leibowitz, this is, at least according to the surviving Catholic Church, what caused the Flame Deluge. Having obtained weapons of mass destruction, every world leader decided to launch a preemptive strike on their enemies to prevent them from doing it - at the same time. | |
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Said word for word in Van Helsing, with Dracula starting and Igor finishing the quote. However, they were talking about generally being horrible to people rather than a particular plan or pre-emptive strike. | |
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It takes the deaths of the extremists advocating this on both sides for the shooting to reluctantly stop but even then, the idea never fully goes away and in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny, Cagalli points it out that for supposedly only wishing to protect themselves in case of a future war, ZAFT sure put a lot of resources into developing ground-based and even aquatic Humongous Mecha that would be of no use protecting space colonies... | |
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According to The Men Who Stare at Goats, both sides of the Cold War ended up doing psychic research because, even though not many people on either side actually believed there was anything in it, they couldn't let the other side lead the field just in case it turned out to be real. | |
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In episode 7 of Survivor: Blood vs. Water, Tina reveals to Monica that Kat wants Monica to be voted out, which would clearly break the Galang women's alliance. Monica has a grim realization: | |
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your move, instigator (draw your weapon and hold your tongue): This is one of Danzo's favorite tactics for his Propaganda Machines — convincing everyone in Konohagakure that the residents of all the other hidden villages are just dying to wipe them off the map. Which is, of course, why they have to employ Child Soldiers like the five-year-old Sakura or use Kushina as a Person of Mass Destruction. | |
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In Firefly, one of Jayne's lines includes the phrase "I'll kill a man in a fair fight...or if I think he's going to start a fair fight," though he then goes on to list a few other possible reasons. | |
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This is explored in Ender's Shadow, where Bean figures this out by attempting to postulate how Earth might prepare for the Third Invasion. Through a series of logical steps, he realizes that there is no way to adequately protect a planet in three-dimensional space, since all the Formics would have to do was get a single ship past the human blockade to lay waste to Earth. Therefore, an all-out attack is the only logical option. | |
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In The Saga of Darren Shan, this is the standard vampire attitude towards the much smaller clan of enemy outcasts, the vampaneze. The only reason they don't try to is that there's a prophecy saying that no matter how hard they try to wipe them out, there will still be some survivors and those survivors will rise and destroy the vampires. Of course, all of these prophecies, and the split between the clans in the first place, are from Mr. Des Tiny, whose authority isn't as predestined as he wants you to think it is. | |
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In Hill Street Blues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping his "destroy the village to save the village" tendencies in check, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force. Apparently the showrunners realised the Unfortunate Implications, because Yablonski eventually got some dialogue making it clear that he didn't mean his catchphrase so literally as to justify Police Brutality. |
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