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Origins March On	comment	Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_1'); })When Comic-Book Time is in effect for long enough, a character's origins can start to become dated. Maybe they're tied to some real-life event, but the current "present" is far enough from then that it doesn't make sense for the character's age to be involved, less they be a Refugee from Time. Maybe enough retcons and changes to that character make the origins feel out of place. Or perhaps there's some Values Dissonance in the old origin that would be out of place for the character today. This is where the Origins March On. A character is shaped by a real war? Just try and find a more recent war or have them be younger back then. They were changed to have powers and personalities different from when they started. Retcon the origin to show they are or will eventually become a thing. Avoid a Remember the New Guy? situation with a new character who's known the character since their origins by retconning them to be part of it. Or maybe you just want the origins to no longer be out of date. Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_2'); })Because Comic-Book Time is primarily a comic book issue, superheroes and supervillains have this happen the most. Of course, any Long Runner that uses Comic-Book Time is susceptible to this. Note that this is for the original work and not adaptations. Those would usually go under tropes like Adaptational Backstory Change and Adaptational Origin Connection. Or Alternate Universe retellings, for that matter. Often a part of a Setting Update. If the update was because of Science Marches On, it probably involves Phlebotinum du Jour. If handled badly, with multiple writers Armed with Canon not agreeing on the backstory change, you may end up with a Multiple-Choice Past.
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Origins March On / int_1bdeba5a	comment	X-Men: In the original 1964 run, mutants were the result of radiation; the parents of all the cast members had jobs or were involved in incidents that forced them to come in direct contact with radioactive materials (hence the reason why Professor X is bald). Therefore, they were occasionally called "the Children of the Atom". When the dangers of radiation became more widely known, their origin story was retconned to being a genetic mutation, and that mutants have existed since ancient times. Seemingly averted by Magneto. His backstory requires him to be a Holocaust survivor. This has never been updated, and writers have had to invent wildly to explain how he's not a decrepit post-centennial. One idea is that mutants simply have a prolonged lifespan. It's helped that he's actually been de-aged several times in continuity. Ironically, this backstory itself is a case of Origins March On, since while Magneto debuted in 1963, it was introduced by Chris Claremont in The '80s. Professor X's backstory involves him as a Korean War vet, and, in another aversion, this has never been updated. Technically, he dies in a 2012 story (he does come back, but not to his original body), meaning he could have been as young as his 70s; arguably he was never too implausibly old. Bear in mind that in most of the films he was played by Patrick Stewart, who is famously Older Than They Look.
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Origins March On / int_207208a9	comment	Seemingly averted by Magneto. His backstory requires him to be a Holocaust survivor. This has never been updated, and writers have had to invent wildly to explain how he's not a decrepit post-centennial. One idea is that mutants simply have a prolonged lifespan. It's helped that he's actually been de-aged several times in continuity. Ironically, this backstory itself is a case of Origins March On, since while Magneto debuted in 1963, it was introduced by Chris Claremont in The '80s.
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Origins March On / int_261c8d3f	comment	The Simpsons attempted this in the episode "That '90s Show", which first aired in 2008 and tried to change the backstory of the series by updating the time frame when Homer and Marge were dating from the 1970s to the 1990s. It wasn't well-received, and the old backstory is still depicted in later episodes despite becoming increasingly outdated.
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Origins March On / int_37272e5	comment	Professor X's backstory involves him as a Korean War vet, and, in another aversion, this has never been updated. Technically, he dies in a 2012 story (he does come back, but not to his original body), meaning he could have been as young as his 70s; arguably he was never too implausibly old. Bear in mind that in most of the films he was played by Patrick Stewart, who is famously Older Than They Look.
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Origins March On / int_5fc3fc4d	comment	Storm originally lost her parents at a plane crash over Egypt, implied to be the result of aircraft strikes in the Suez Canal Incident. Fifty to sixty years later, Storm is clearly not in her sixties or seventies, so this usually gets updated to whatever Egyptian unrest happened most recently.
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Origins March On / int_62570927	comment	Marvel Universe: Iron Man had his origins in The Vietnam War. Warren Ellis bumped it up to Afghanistan and until 2019, that's mostly stuck. Fantastic Four: They gained their powers during a failed space flight and were originally said to be trying to beat the Dirty Commies to the moon. Later retellings of the origin, which became dated as of the real Moon landing in 1969, have said that the ship was intended to test an experimental warp drive instead. Presumably that one won't become dated anytime soon... On another note, Reed Richards and Ben Grimm were originally imagined as World War II vets, way back in FF #11. Ben was a Marine fighter pilot in the Pacific, Reed was in the OSS in Europe. Until 2019, this hadn't been updated in modern times so much as quietly ignored. As of the in-continuity (non-MAX) 2011 series of The Punisher, Frank Castle fought in one of the Iraq Wars (until 2019) rather than in the Vietnam War. His MAX counterpart remains an (aged) Vietnam veteran, however. 2019's History of the Marvel Universe attempts to resolve this for several of the above cases by inventing a war; The Siancong War. The backstory of characters whose origin involves a war such as Iron Man, Punisher, Reed Richards, and Ben Grimm, have now been retconned to have this be the war in question, since its fictional nature allows the date of the war to be moved to reflect the floating timescale.
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Origins March On / int_6a4bddd6	comment	Iron Man had his origins in The Vietnam War. Warren Ellis bumped it up to Afghanistan and until 2019, that's mostly stuck.
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Origins March On / int_7aaf9e41	comment	What movie was Batman watching on the night his parents were shot? Since Zorro was a big inspiration for the character, it's usually said to be a Zorro movie, but exactly which version of Zorro has changed over time. Of course, with the advent of retro movie theaters, some writers just suggest it was the original after all, with no weird timeline disruption.
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Origins March On / int_8df5521b	comment	Superman: Many retcon origins tend to try and explain several things that wouldn't hold up today, such as how his rocket made it to Earth and landed in Smallville without the government noticing. Sometimes, it's because there was atmospheric interference. Sometimes, it's because government bureaucracy made them too slow to respond before the Kents came and left. Other minor updates include explaining how the Kents were able to justify Clark without any legal adoption papers or birth certificates, and despite Martha's infertility. One story stated that a horrible snowstorm (which may or may not have been phenomena created by the rocket itself) had kept the Kent farm isolated for the better part of a year, and that Martha just claimed she'd gotten pregnant and given birth in that time. The origin of his powers has also changed over time. Originally, back when his powers were limited to him simply being stronger, faster, and able to leap higher than regular humans, Superman's powers were said to be the result of Earth having lower gravity than Krypton. Since Superman's body was adapted for Kryptonian gravity, it enabled him to perform superhuman feats here on Earth. However, over time he gained a wide variety of new powers for which this explanation held no ground, like the ability to fly and Eye Beams, so it was changed to his powers being the result of exposure to Earth's yellow sun. The effect of Superman gaining newer and more powerful abilities has also had the effect of repeatedly changing Krypton's culture and civilization. Superman is the Last of His Kind (aside from a few other rare stragglers), which meant that almost all of the Kryptonian race had stayed put on their homeworld despite potentially becoming demigods outside of it. At first, it was plausible that the Kryptonian layperson would be unaware that leaving their planet would make them massively powerful elsewhere, but as a planet of scientists and advanced minds, it was established that Kryptonians gaining superpowers under non-red stars was common knowledge. Thus, revisions had to be made to explain why no Kryptonians had ever left. In some versions, they were somehow genetically altered or conditioned to never be able to leave Krypton and in others, they actually had left at various points and had established a multi-planetary empire before somehow failing or being driven back to their homeworld.
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Origins March On / int_a0e1af96	comment	In a subtler example, the Martian Manhunter's origin as one member of a present-day, populous Martian race was quietly changed once it became evident in real life that no large lifeforms exist on Mars. Later tellings of his origin claim that the Martian Manhunter had been teleported to Earth through time as well as space, and that the other Martians had died off prior to modern times.
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Origins March On / int_a58b0d52	comment	The 1999 miniseries Spider-Man: Chapter One was an attempt to explicitly give Spider-Man an updated origin. (It was written by John Byrne, who had done the same for Superman in the Superman: The Man of Steel miniseries.) It was a flop, and is not considered canon.
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Origins March On / int_a6492af2	comment	In the original 1978 version of The Stand, Frannie's father had been awarded a Bronze Star at Anzio (in WWII), while in the uncut and expanded 1990 edition, he had been awarded one in Korea.
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Origins March On / int_c0da5437	comment	As of the in-continuity (non-MAX) 2011 series of The Punisher, Frank Castle fought in one of the Iraq Wars (until 2019) rather than in the Vietnam War. His MAX counterpart remains an (aged) Vietnam veteran, however.
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Origins March On / int_cc1ec7ec	comment	Averted with Daredevil. His origin story of getting splashed with chemicals and becoming blind but gaining superpowers have remained unchanged for 57 years even with other superheroes getting the Genetic Engineering Is the New Nuke treatment for their backgrounds.
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Origins March On / int_ef7b3325	comment	Fantastic Four: They gained their powers during a failed space flight and were originally said to be trying to beat the Dirty Commies to the moon. Later retellings of the origin, which became dated as of the real Moon landing in 1969, have said that the ship was intended to test an experimental warp drive instead. Presumably that one won't become dated anytime soon... On another note, Reed Richards and Ben Grimm were originally imagined as World War II vets, way back in FF #11. Ben was a Marine fighter pilot in the Pacific, Reed was in the OSS in Europe. Until 2019, this hadn't been updated in modern times so much as quietly ignored.
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Origins March On / int_fe8ef766	comment	Subverted for Captain America. He's always a WWII vet, and the story of him being cryogenically frozen until modern times has stopped this from forever becoming outdated. But exactly when did he come out of stasis? It's usually "fifteen years ago" from whatever modern times are.
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