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A Perspective Flip as applied on a cosmic level and a natural corollary to the God Is Evil trope. You know the story: a long time ago, there was a conflict between the Powers That Be. The good guys won, and the bad guys got to suffer (a popular misconception would be to rule) in Hell instead. But it could be you're not getting the whole story. Maybe Old Scratch (or his in-world counterpart, thinly-veiled or not) has been Wrongly Accused. Maybe his loss in the war with God/the gods was the original Downer Ending, and the bastards who did win have been tarring him with the propaganda brush ever since. Wouldn't that be a Mind Screw? Another variation is that God isn't necessarily evil; he and Satan may just have Creative Differences. Or perhaps Satan is willing to play a Zero-Approval Gambit and be a Dark Shepherd to help keep people in line, the "stick" to God's "carrot". Or maybe God just doesn't care, or, similarly, he vanished from the universe sometime after making it, and the other angels are evil. It's even possible that he and Satan are actually good buddies. In these versions, if the reasons behind it are mentioned at all, Satan's bad reputation may be chalked up to misinterpretation on the part of mankind; particularly if he and God don't really have anything against each other. It could even be that the entire "warring angels" part never really happened. "Demonizing" the, well, demons could be the work of a Corrupt Church. This was quite common in earlier times, where Satan was seen as a servant of God, who performed an important role in testing peoples' resolve. Satan is derived from the Hebrew "ha-Satan", which quite literally means "the Accuser" — and what he accuses you of is sin.note Though it can be interpreted as him accusing YHWH of sin, and the Arabic "ash-Shayá¹Ä�n" (from the same Semitic root) can also mean "the adversary", but that's beside the point. Appears often in Rage Against the Heavens plots, although it doesn't have to - it's easy to portray God as the Big Bad without bringing Satan into it at all, usually by portraying humans as the good side. Also seen in settings with Black-and-Gray Morality, where Satan may not be good, but he's better. This kind of one-two punch is a red flag that you're living in a Crapsack World. There's no telling what The Legions of Hell will be like in a Satan Is Good setting; they may or may not even work for him, and if they do they may be just as Wrongly Accused as their leader or he may be just barely keeping them in check. In an Order vs. Chaos conflict, Satan will lead Team Chaos, often opposing the tyranny (real or perceived) presented by God's Team Order and their notions of The Evils of Free Will. The important distinction between Satan Is Good and Villain Protagonist or Sympathy for the Devil is that, while the latter cases may make him sympathetic, in this case he's actually heroic. Depending on how idealistic the world is, he may be an Anti-Hero (he probably is) or even a Noble Demon, but he's definitely on the better side. In other words, Satan making an honorable decision, letting someone go because he has nothing against them, or helping the protagonist with something that is mutually beneficial does not immediately make for a Satan is Good situation. Note as well that just because God is evil it doesn't necessarily follow that Satan Is Good. He can just as easily be as bad as his counterpart, ineffectual, or absent. By the same token, just because Satan Is Good does not necessarily imply God is evil; Have You Seen My God? situations in particular allow for Satan Is Good without going in for God is evil. If this trope co-exists with God Is Good, then you would have a Good Versus Good scenario and/or a White-and-Grey Morality setting, or maybe it's Heaven's Devils and they're actually all on the same side. If Satan Is Good, expect to be treated to A Hell of a Time when you die, assuming you don't end up on the other side of the fence. Remember: Dark Is Not Evil and Light Is Not Goodnote Although Satan is also known as the Light Bringer whose beauty and charisma could easily tempt mortals. The dark red devil is a more recent phenomenon although it's still common to portray Satan in his original form to invoke Light Is Good as well to portray him as the "true illuminator". Compare Ascended Demon, Cry for the Devil and The Devil Is a Loser. See also God and Satan Are Both Jerks. |
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Not surprisingly, given its very anti-religious theme, the Adversary in the His Dark Materials trilogy is described as an extremely sympathetic figure - the leader of the rebel army of angels that attempted to overthrow the Authority (who was simply the oldest being, and only CLAIMED to be the creator to legitimize bossing everyone else around) in aeons past. Well, the character who was the leader of the fallen/rebel angels is the angel Xaphania, and she is pretty much still going around in the universes; needless to say she's wise and "good". Lord Asriel (named after the angel of death) fits the role better, but his Knight Templar status makes him occasionally quite unsympathetic, specially in the end of the first book, where he considers his goal more important than the life of his daughter's friend, Roger. Arguably, Metatron is also similar in role to Satan, having taken over from The Authority after being his right-hand angel, but he is clearly evil (and used to be a human). |
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Turns out Demon Overlord Satan in The Devil is a Part-Timer! is actually a pretty decent and hardworking person who cares for his underlings. On Ente Isla its implied that he spent most of his time running the demon empire far away from the front lines and didn't know much about the massive atrocities his generals committed during the war, though he admits he probably wouldn't have cared at the time. Once he ends up in Japan working at MgRonalds and is forced to interact with humans he comes to see them as people, too. Not that any of this tempers his desire to Take Over the World. | |
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Elven mythology of the Dragon Age universe tells of an old god known as Fen'Harel, a.k.a. "The Dread Wolf", who brought on the fall of the Elven Gods and subsequently the loss of elves' immortality, seemingly For the Evulz. The "Trespasser" DLC of Dragon Age: Inquisition reveals that your party member Solas IS Fen'Harel, and while he was responsible for the fall of the Elven Gods, and Elves losing much of their power, he did so to put a stop to the empire of cruelty built by the immensely powerful mages who had styled themselves as gods. Still, as with most things in Dragon Age, there's a lot of moral ambiguity in play, as Solas is now trying to destroy the world so a new, better one can be made, even though everyone living in the current one would have to die first. So the trope is ultimatly deconstructed. | |
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Akuto Sai from Demon King Daimao is the Demon King (apparently via reincarnation) and is a nice guy with noble ideals. | |
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Rage of Bahamut has Lucifer: A dutiful Arch Seraph who was deceived by his God and punished for his rebellion, turning him into the Jerkass the players would come to know. It wasn't until the players went back in time and changed his story that he would come out an anti-hero in the end, working from the shadows to protect Mystaria from threats. | |
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Tears to Tiara has the Demon Lord Arawn, who's both The Hero of the game and the Big Good of the setting. Bonus points for him actually being a Fallen Angel whose true name is Lucifer, in opposition to the other angels who are genocidal pricks. | |
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The Mandela Magazine: Satan still takes the form of the Archangel Gabriel and has a huge Slasher Smile on his face like he does in Mandela Catalogue, but "Gabriel" isn't shown to be malevolent in the slightest and just wants to throw a party. When Mark starts shooting his mom, he's shown to be genuinely horrified like the rest of the Alternates. | |
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Nobilis second edition has Lucifer be so principled that millennia in Hell haven't corrupted him at all. And the major efforts of the Fallen Angels at this point in time are all about protecting the world from the omnicidal Excrucians. However, those principles he cleaves to so strongly? Inflicting Suffering, feeding Corruption, and using Power. In third ed, the Angels love beauty and justice, but only the Devils love everything. For daring to stand up for the monstrous, the wicked, and the corrupt, the Angels cast the Devils into Hell. |
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In Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, Lucifer admits that he doesn't really care much for humanity, but at the same time states that he will never abandon them, which is certainly more than can be said for God... but does not stop him from being the saint patron of More than Mind Control, a horribly dangerous Chessmaster and a Manipulative Bastard whose only goal is the destruction of Law. Draco in Leather Pants applies as you understand that he's just as dangerous an extremist as the Archangels or YHVH. Though in Redux, he (she? She presents solely as a mysterious blonde woman in Strange Journey) will approve of all of the New endings, though only reluctantly for Law, both because they're all humanity choosing its own fate rather than following the whims of a higher power, and because they're fulfilling the wish of her daughter from the future. |
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In Crimson, Lucifer appears as a friendly, smooth-talking, easy-going Man of Wealth and Taste. While he is said to be evil in nature as he attempted to usurp God's creation in the distant past and is fated to try it again in the end times, he saves the main protagonist's life when he is being summarily judged by a group of overzealous archangels - Its quite telling when the freakin' Devil is nicer than the angels. A flashback shows him as a Benevolent Boss to Ekimus when he fought on Hell's side and gracefully heeds his retirement request from service. In general, he is the only one of the angels who maintains a close relationship with God. It's implied that the other angels have become so full of themselves that they can't recognize God for who He really is. God and Satan have creative differences, but they team up to manipulate the other angels into achieving mutual goals for each other. God even offers him redemption, Lucifer declines stating that he likes his gig. | |
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Shin Megami Tensei games dance around this one. According to Christianity, he actually is a Bishōnen seraph. As it is their custom, Atlus did their homework. At least, that's what he looks like when he's interested in becoming (or acting as) your ally—he becomes much more demonic-looking when he gets hostile. Also, Lucifer most often appears as The Chessmaster who honestly cares about Humanity in contrast with the angels, who only see them as cattle and labor. The problem? He has very interesting ideas about the concept of Perfection for Humanity... On the other hand, Satan is a very different gent altogether. Who just happens to have the angelic title of The Accuser, and simultaneously be YHVH's Dragon... and an Eldritch Abomination. Interestingly, the part with Satan being allied with YHVH is not something Atlus made up - this was indeed his status in the old Jewish religious texts. He is not a case of Satan Is Good, though, because YHVH himself tends to be evil. Despite being Chaotic Evil to God's Lawful Evil in Shin Megami Tensei I, in the sequel, Shin Megami Tensei II, Lucifer's depiction changed to Chaotic Good, while YHVH remained Lawful Evil - the ending where you side with Lucifer is the closest that comes to being a truly Happy Ending of the three. Also, Satan (again, different beings) is usually God's lackey. Crapsack World, folks. Crapsack World. It's Double Subverted with Satan's alignment in Shin Megami Tensei II - even he gets fed up with God and joins the hero if you chose the Law path. Then again, everyone thought God had gone too far, even Gabriel. Before that, in Megami Tensei II, Lucifer is imprisoned in ice for the first half of the game for battling against YHWH, and recruiting him using the similarly maligned Baal is necessary to get the good ending of the game. Ironically, the separate character Satan was responsible for the apocalypse (On YHWH's orders no less) but managed to blame Lucifer for it. In Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, Lucifer admits that he doesn't really care much for humanity, but at the same time states that he will never abandon them, which is certainly more than can be said for God... but does not stop him from being the saint patron of More than Mind Control, a horribly dangerous Chessmaster and a Manipulative Bastard whose only goal is the destruction of Law. Draco in Leather Pants applies as you understand that he's just as dangerous an extremist as the Archangels or YHVH. Though in Redux, he (she? She presents solely as a mysterious blonde woman in Strange Journey) will approve of all of the New endings, though only reluctantly for Law, both because they're all humanity choosing its own fate rather than following the whims of a higher power, and because they're fulfilling the wish of her daughter from the future. Lucifer himself only appears as a high-level fusion, but his Expy Al Saiduq, aka Alcor in Devil Survivor 2 plays this trope completely straight. As a Septentrion, Alcor rebelled against his creator Polaris, not for Pride, but to violate the Alien Non-Interference Clause. Although he gave primitive humans the gifts of fire and culture out of genuine compassion, he eventually came to regret his actions when humanity's evolution peaked too early. When Polaris decided to erase humanity from the Akashic records as inferior specimen, he countered by supplying humans with the Nicaea Website and Demon Summoning App, granting them the chance to prove their own worth to Polaris. One possible ending even features the player urging him to a full-blown Rage Against the Heavens, ending with him replacing Polaris on the Heavenly Throne. Fittingly, you unlock the ability to fuse Lucifer by getting Alcor's Fate Level to 5, which is only possible if you go for said ending. In Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse, Satan only exists to serve the Creator, but once again comes to doubt his boss and joins you so you can take YHVH's place. The Reveal that the Axiom, the embodiment of reality itself, has become fed up with YHVH's shenanigans probably has something to do with it. Persona 5: The heroic main character's ultimate Guardian Entity is Satanael, the Gnostic equivalent of the Devil. This version is also heavily inspired by the standard Shin Megami Tensei interpretation of Lucifer, down to having the same character outline and sporting the same arms open wide Ass Kicking Pose. In the Devil Children spinoffs, Lucifer seems evil in Generation 1 But it's actually Azel impersonating him after trapping and imprisoning him. The real Lucifer was a straight-up nice guy who was as good a father to Setsuna and Mirai as circumstances allowed up until his imprisonment, helps guide them on their journey even when imprisoned, and wants to use the Ragnarok and Hoshigami to make a better world for everyone. In Gen 2, he's a straight-up good guy. Saving him from being killed by a manipulated Shin and his second-in-command Forlo is a key part of Jin's story in Light Book, and he ends up setting Akira on his journey in Dark Book. Remarkably, this was not changed in any way for the Western release of Gen 2, despite numerous name changes throughout the game. |
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In Adventures of God, torturing the damned is part of Satan's job, but the worst he does is playfully screw over God in matters of society's faith. He's a good father figure to children who summon him, a good husband to Riley, and genuinely working to make Hell a better place - at least, for those sent there for reasons other than wickedness in life, like being gay eligible bachelors or for bonding exercises between (former) enemies. His usual villainy is instead embodied by his second-in-command, Ebag. | |
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In Kaori Yuki's Angel Sanctuary, God is the Greater-Scope Villain and Lucifer aka Sakura Kira most of the time isn't entirely evil, he's more an Anti-Hero who only does good things because he promised the woman he loves, Alexiel, to break her free which involves the destruction of fate. At the end, he himself tells Setsuna he did it all because of his promise. Furthermore, whether you're an angel or demon doesn't have anything to do with your alignment. | |
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Paradise Lost is the probable Trope Codifier. However, if one scratches the surface it is very clear that the Father of Lies is an extremely Unreliable Narrator. | |
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In White Wolf's Demon: The Fallen, the Player Characters are part of The Legions of Hell, and Lucifer is presented as the sympathetic leader of La Résistance. And not merely "sympathetic": Lucifer loves humanity probably more than anyone else ever did in the world's history, including the Jerkass God (and possibly even Jesus). It is exactly because he loved humans more than God that the Rebellion (later labeled "the Fall") happened, but this being the World of Darkness, it didn't work as planned. After Lucifer tried summoning his former comrades, not knowing that time spent in the Abyss had caused them to become Eldritch Abominations, he created Christianity in order to fight them. | |
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Dilbert has Phil, the ruler of Heck and Prince of Insufficient Light. He's basically a harmless version of the devil who inflicts very minor punishments on people for very minor sins. He also turns out to be Dilbert's boss' brother. | |
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There's Satan in Lucy, the Daughter of the Devil. While he's not exactly good, he's still a pretty nice guy and he even gets along with DJ Jesus at times. | |
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Cracked has an article based on the idea that Satan did more for humanity than God did. | |
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Cecil B. Demented, if his resident booster, Raven, is any indication, Satan Is Love! | |
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In Fifth Business, the Devil figure in the story ends up being an intelligent and charming woman who helps the most in the main character's quest of discovering who he is. As he says later, "The Devil turned out to be a very good fellow." | |
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In the Devil Children spinoffs, Lucifer seems evil in Generation 1 But it's actually Azel impersonating him after trapping and imprisoning him. The real Lucifer was a straight-up nice guy who was as good a father to Setsuna and Mirai as circumstances allowed up until his imprisonment, helps guide them on their journey even when imprisoned, and wants to use the Ragnarok and Hoshigami to make a better world for everyone. In Gen 2, he's a straight-up good guy. Saving him from being killed by a manipulated Shin and his second-in-command Forlo is a key part of Jin's story in Light Book, and he ends up setting Akira on his journey in Dark Book. Remarkably, this was not changed in any way for the Western release of Gen 2, despite numerous name changes throughout the game. | |
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In Mythical Detective Loki Ragnarok, Loki the Trickster from Norse Mythology is not evil. Apparently Baldr tried to kill him and Loki killed him in self-defense; which caused Odin the All-Father to go insane and try to punish Loki by any means imaginable; even if it means trying to destroy the world in Ragnarok and blame it on him. | |
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Satan in Rooster Teeth Comics is a pretty mellow guy and Benevolent Boss to his demons, and happily honors his promise to allow Matt to come back to life after Matt covers for him when his wife calls. Though he isn't above committing murder for hire (he's saving up for an air hockey table). And technically he's not in charge of Hell anymore: since God sends all Mac users to hell, Apple bought it to use as tech support. | |
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According to the Friar's Tale in The Canterbury Tales, all of Hell operates with permission from God. One minor demon observes that he and his guys actually provide opportunities for salvation, by resisting the temptation they offer. | |
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The World Is Your Weapon: Demon Lord Dolhabach destroyed the local castle after breaking free of his seal, but otherwise doesn't harm anyone during the course of the story. If Weaco makes it to the top floor of the Demonic Castle, Dolhabach reveals that his real goal is to maintain the balance between humans and monsters so that monsters don't overrun humanity while humanity doesn't become complacent from a lack of adversaries. Once Weaco defeats him, he asks her to act as a moral compass to the rest of humanity to prevent them from falling into complacency. | |
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Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie: Rebellion puts us through everything that could have led to Homura's seeming Face–Heel Turn. The world as she recreates and oversees it is in fact tranquil, orderly and generally happy. The most unforgivable thing she does is giving other characters a Laser-Guided Amnesia. Why? So they would for once stop being in constant misery. That said, she did not exactly ask for anyone's permission before doing this and her actions may have severely screwed up the order of things. | |
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The Devil as presented in Brimstone wasn't necessarily evil. In fact he was in charge of punishing evildoers, hence his need to get the 113 escapees back to hell. He was, however, an unrepentant Jerkass. | |
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Cormorant's "Ballad Of the Beast" is a possible example, as it portrays Jesus giving in to all three of the devil's temptations and calling him his friend. At the end, Jesus claims that he is "now free". It may also be a case, for God sends out an angel to keep Jesus from dying when he jumps, of God and Satan Are Both Jerks. | |
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Dark Angel: The Ascent: Demons are just the people who guard and enforce Hell, and answer to God. A demon family is even shown clocking off and saying grace before a meal. | |
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Zigzagged in It Hurts!!: sure, Satan is a colossal jerk (but then again who isn't in this comic) but he gives Pasqualo some good advice about Pasqualo's place in the universe and told him that Pasqualo's mother plans on killing God and gave Pasqualo a means to stop that from happening. Also it's implied he and God are lovers. | |
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Persona 5: The heroic main character's ultimate Guardian Entity is Satanael, the Gnostic equivalent of the Devil. This version is also heavily inspired by the standard Shin Megami Tensei interpretation of Lucifer, down to having the same character outline and sporting the same arms open wide Ass Kicking Pose. | |
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Undertale: While he is never explicitly stated as such, King Asgore, with his goat-like body, pitchfork weapon, fire spells, and penchant for collecting souls, definitely gives off a superficially Devil-ish vibe. He is also one of the nicest, gentlest characters in the game, who only wants to collect your soul so that he can free his people, who were unjustly sealed away in the underworld by the humans who feared them. Interestingly, the game also has Flowey and Chara as more straightforward Satanic Archetypes. | |
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In Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse, Satan only exists to serve the Creator, but once again comes to doubt his boss and joins you so you can take YHVH's place. The Reveal that the Axiom, the embodiment of reality itself, has become fed up with YHVH's shenanigans probably has something to do with it. | |
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In Godbound, Hell was once a place where souls were purified before entering Heaven. After a war between humanity and Heaven nearly destroyed the universe, however, the angels snapped and decided all humanity deserved eternal damnation. The former warden of Hell, Sammael, disagrees and wants Hell restored to its purifying role; he is one of the few friendly angels the PCs can expect to encounter. | |
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In Seven Mortal Sins, Satan is one of the most noble demons in Hell, seen when she sends the soul of an innocent woman to Heaven and then cuts the soul of her killer into pieces. She even helps Lucifer defend Earth and Hell when it turns out that God Is Evil and the Big Bad. | |
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In Slayers: Next, the Lord of Nightmares, the ultimate Creator beyond good and evil, maker of both with a purpose for each, ostensibly the source of all chaos in the universe and god-boss of all Mazoku (demons), doesn't quite live up to her bad hype, as she not only makes short work of the Big Bad (though admittedly in a very cruel manner) but also returns Lina to life when pressed by Gourry (instead of, say, smiting him). Xellos, the series' resident Devil in Plain Sight, chalks it up to her sense of humor. The bad reputation is presumably firstly due to the fact that a being that doesn't take sides is easier to put in the bad camp, and secondly because she is extremely destructive when invoked; people who see Giga Slave and know what it can do out of control undoubtedly have a hard time in considering its originator as anything but evil. | |
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Hail Satan?: A documentary about the creation and growth of the Satanic Temple in America and its grassroots political activism. Many members interpret Satan as a positive rebellious figure for encouraging free will and independence, ideals that align with the temple's political views. | |
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Lucifer himself only appears as a high-level fusion, but his Expy Al Saiduq, aka Alcor in Devil Survivor 2 plays this trope completely straight. As a Septentrion, Alcor rebelled against his creator Polaris, not for Pride, but to violate the Alien Non-Interference Clause. Although he gave primitive humans the gifts of fire and culture out of genuine compassion, he eventually came to regret his actions when humanity's evolution peaked too early. When Polaris decided to erase humanity from the Akashic records as inferior specimen, he countered by supplying humans with the Nicaea Website and Demon Summoning App, granting them the chance to prove their own worth to Polaris. One possible ending even features the player urging him to a full-blown Rage Against the Heavens, ending with him replacing Polaris on the Heavenly Throne. Fittingly, you unlock the ability to fuse Lucifer by getting Alcor's Fate Level to 5, which is only possible if you go for said ending. | |
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In Ghost Sweeper Mikami, God and Satan are both good guys; the former is in charge of maintaining order, the latter in charge of maintaining chaos/change. The closest we have to a leader-of-all-wicked-things is Ashtaroth (it's implied that he only recently gained the ability to do that). | |
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The Satan of Old Harry's Game is quite offended by suggestions he isn't the Ultimate Evil, or has some sort of soft spot, but the evidence is against him. One season involved him trying to make the world a better place, purely to alleviate the overcrowding in Hell, of course. In a later season, he's perturbed when dogs and babies start ending up in his domain, insisting things have to be fair, or what's the point? He also refers to the Rebellion as an attempt to bring some sort of democracy to Heaven (although he's a bit defensive when Gabriel asks if it was because he wasn't allowed to ride the flaming chariot). | |
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In Bastard!! (1988), the fallen angel Lucifer better known as Lucien Renlen, Dark Schneider's alter ego fights to protect humanity when all the other angels are trying to exterminate them. However, as it turns out Satan himself (who's a different character from Lucifer) and The Legions of Hell are just as evil as you'd expect. | |
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Vampire: The Masquerade: The Road of the Adversary, based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to Hollywood Satanism (which the game also contains, called the Road of the Devil, and emphatically not this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among Clan Brujah. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared Utopia for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards Omnicidal Neutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer. The Setites originally practiced a version syncretized with Egyptian paganism, stylizing the pagan god Set as the Biblical Serpent and a Lucifer figure who opposes evil gods as both a warrior and a trickster in order to free mankind. However, over time, this underwent in-universe Motive Decay and became a conventional Religion of Evil. Out of universe, it was actually the other way round, the Setites having always been a Religion of Evil until someone came up with the idea of giving them a more sympathetic original faith for the Dark Ages 20th Anniversary Edition. |
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Played with in the Christ Clone Trilogy. The end of the second book almost convinces you God really is the bad guy. | |
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Despite what the characters in We Know the Devil are taught to think, Satan really does want the best for them. She wants to free them from the pain inflicted on them by God, society, and even corporeality. | |
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I, Lucifer, wherein Lucifer (he doesn't like to be called Satan) narrates his life and his brief attempt to earn his way into Heaven, doesn't present him as being good, but since God does present himself as good, Lucifer has to be evil by default. By anyone's standard, God is not exactly a good person; in the end, it's implied that God only offered Lucifer the chance to come back to Heaven because He's certain that the latter won't accept, and when it seems like he will, God manufactures an emergency in Hell that requires Lucifer's attention. It's not so much Satan Is Good or God Is Evil as God and Satan Are Both Jerks. | |
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Interestingly, many if not most Luciferians avoid associating Lucifer with the common perception of Satan, some going so far as to refer to Lucifer as the Holy Spirit or Paracletus and even referring to the god of the Torah/Old Testament as Satan. Satan Is Good who is God assuming God Is Good. But this leads to a logical problem identifying Satan Is Good with God, given the God Is Evil trope. | |
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The Devil in The Grim Reaper's Apprentice is a rather nice man, despite being in charge of hell. He chats with Jax when he introduces himself, and even helped the Grim Reaper and Jax's mother to conceive Jax. | |
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The Testament of Sister New Devil: Season 2 reveals that while most combat demons are dicks, a vast majority of demons are just ordinary citizens who have MUCH more in common with human citizens than any other faction in existence. They've managed to balance out their economy with the environment (as seen by their pollution-free cities and lack of slums) and have little desire to rebel against the demon lords, who they pay tribute to but don't actually need. Suddenly, the former demon lord's desire for demons to invade the human world seems like the most rational option. | |
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In Evil, Inc., the devil acts quite the gentleman when it comes to his daughter marrying another supervillain. | |
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Satan from Sam & Max is actually kind of nice, especially compared to someone like Junior. | |
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The Master and Margarita: The Devil does not harm any good guys and even teaches the mains some wisdom. | |
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Star vs. the Forces of Evil has Satanic Archetype Globgor, who is a Big Red Devil seen as a satanic figure to the Spiderbites, but gets shown to have a softer side and being The Atoner. | |
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In Disciples the demonic hordes are a nasty bunch, but their overlord Bethrezen has been royally screwed over by his fellow angels. In the third game, he is the only one who does not want to restart the world. | |
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In Memnoch the Devil by Anne Rice, Satan empathizes intensely with the pain of human existence (particularly before there was a heaven, when souls simply continued existing between worlds for all eternity), and frequently accused God of being arrogant and uncaring towards his creations. God eventually agreed, but gave Memnoch a job he despises: punishing the wicked and purifying them so they can enter Heaven. Granted, we only have Memnoch's word for this, and he turned out not to be entirely trustworthy. In an earlier book, David Talbot talks about his own possible encounter with God and the Devil in a Parisian cafe. In the encounter, the Devil begs God to let him come back to Heaven, being tired of working in Hell. |
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The Elder Scrolls: In the series' primary Creation Myth, this is the case for Lorkhan, the "dead" creator god. To most of the races of Mer (Elves), especially the ancient Aldmer and current Altmer, Lorkhan is a Satanic figure. Their religious beliefs state that, before the creation of the mortal world, they were all immortal spirits in the pre-creation universe. Creation was then a malevolent act which robbed them of their divinity and forced them into "a mortal prison", where they experience death and suffering. To them, he is "the most unholy of all higher powers". The other spirits who he "tricked" into aiding him in creation (the Aedra) lost their Complete Immortality and "killed" him as punishment, tearing out his "heart" (divine center) and casting it down into the world he created. However, to most of the races of Men (especially Nords and Imperials), Lorkhan (known alternatively as Shor, Shezarr, Sep, etc.) is the champion of mankind who freed their spirits from the unchanging stasis of pre-creation. Prior to the formation of the Alessian Empire in the 1st Era, most races of Men followed the Nordic pantheon, which treated Lorkhan (under the name Shor) as their Top God and most beloved benefactor. The Elves, on the other hand, hated Lorkhan to the point that worship of him was out of the question. Even after Alessia conquered the Ayleids, her empire was threatened to be torn apart due to religious in-fighting. Her solution was to group the most important Aedra into the Eight Divines, with Lorkhan only partially acknowledged as the "Missing Ninth God". This appeased both the Men and Mer within her empire. This also applies to some of the less outright malevolent Daedric Princes. Unlike the Aedra, who made sacrifices during creation, the Daedra made no sacrifices and thus remain truly immortal. The Daedric Princes are an extremely varied group, with some being almost exclusively malevolent toward mortals (Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal), some generally being more benevolent toward mortals (but not always "nice", such as Azura and Merida), some varying wildly with the Prince's motivations beyond mortal understanding (Hermaeus Mora, Boethiah), and some who toy with mortals simply to amuse themselves (Sheogorath, Sanguine). Like Lorkhan, the worship of the Daedric Princes varies in the religions of different races. For example, Azura is a major deity in the religions of the Dunmer (Dark Elves) and the Khajiit. Similarly, Malacath is despised by most races, but is considered the patron deity of the Orcs (Orsimer). |
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Giratina from the Pokémon games is a downplayed example: while it appears as being malevolent, yet does not show any malicious intent (at least not anymore), it is still a hostile, aggressive, and especially territorial Pokemon that is capable of willingly destroying the main universe should its home dimension ever get threated in some way. Of course, Cyrus learned it the hard way. | |
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Robot Devil in Futurama is actually most of the time rather polite as a character, despite being a robot Satan, and the depths to which Bender sinks at times leave even him appalled. | |
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The title character of Lucifer (2016) may be amoral, as self-centered as a gyroscope, and constantly trying to get the female lead into bed with him, but he's very dedicated to punishing wrongdoers and saving innocents (even when he doesn't believe he's doing it), and some wrongdoings disgust him deeply. For example, one villain murdered an innocent woman just to get his prize client indebted to him. When said villain referred to the girl as "that bitch", Lucifer furiously shoved him through a window. Not to mention he literally and selflessly died for the female lead, twice. And in the Series Finale, he returns to Hell to become a therapist for the damned so that they can move past their guilt and reach Heaven. | |
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In The Screwtape Letters, since it's a Perspective Flip on Christian morality, the devils see themselves as heroic and refer to God as "The Enemy." (Of course, Screwtape is one heck of an Unreliable Narrator.) | |
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Elisa Than ("Satan") in The Bastard of Kosigan was actually out to save everyone from being subjugated by Gabriel's totalitarian regime (there is no actual God in that story). Leads to a bunch of entertaining revelations, like Jesus having been given his powers by the "demons" (John and Judas were the only actual supernatural beings among Jesus and his Apostles), and the "angels" starting Islam to force all of Europe to unite under Catholicism (which they created to subvert Jesus' original message). | |
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A recurring bit on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" features them inviting the Devil on to discuss something heinous in the news, only to refuse to take credit on hearing the act actually described. | |
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In the original film, Satan (Peter Cook) isn't really evil, just kind of irritating in the pranks he pulls; he only tempts people to win a bet with God (first one to get 100 billion souls) and get back into Heaven. In the end, God is shown to be something of a Jerkass when he denies poor old Lucifer access back into heaven on a technicality, and laughs about it. When Satan starts ranting about how much worse he's going to be from now on and how bad he's going to make the world, this seems to be exactly what God wants. He even explains that he's only a fallen angel because God was being such a dick, he just said "Well, screw this!". | |
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Not exactly good but in The Devil's Panties Satan comes across more as an Affably Evil Punch-Clock Villain than really evil. In later strips there is a demon simply called "The Devil" who is a childish Cloudcuckoolander and is more mischievous than outright evil. | |
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The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared Utopia for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards Omnicidal Neutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer. | |
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And then there's Lucifer from Granblue Fantasy, the games Big Good and a benevolent entity that only wishes for the prosperity of the Sky Realm. Even after being deceived by his creator and questioning the motives of God, he doesn't stray away from the path of goodness and disposes of those who threaten the safety of the world he protects. | |
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The Devil of The Collector, or so he claims. | |
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In Hazbin Hotel, Lucifer was a Well-Intentioned Extremist who gave mankind free will in the Garden of Eden against the rest of Heaven's wishes because he believed they'd do great things with it. After his actions introduced evil into the world, he was banished to Hell and forced to see all the negativity he created and none of the great works he inspired. As a result, in the present day he's a jaded Broken Ace with his more immoral actions being born from apathy rather than outright malice. | |
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Lucy in the Mr. Deity online shorts. An amiable and rather pleasant (if short-tempered) woman and Mr. Deity's on-off girlfriend, who only agreed to be Lord of Hell to do Mr. Deity a favour, really doesn't like the 'passive-aggressive' references to her being a 'snake' in the 'script', and would much rather that her avatar be a bunny. The only thing about her that really comes even close to actually being 'evil' is her slight over-enthusiasm for the torture and punishment of adulterers, and it's implied by Mr. Deity's uncomfortable reactions whenever she brings it up that he's more than a little responsible for that particular attitude. | |
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Little Nicky takes a slightly different route, with Hell being set up as a parallel agent to heaven less about tempting the good and more about punishing the bad. The only tempting is done by the devil's two mutinous sons. The current Devil is actually the second, replacing his father, and believes in maintaining the Balance Between Good and Evil and raising his kids right. Nicky is the product of a drunken tryst between Satan and an angel at a "Heaven/Hell mixer". | |
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In his brief appearance in The Non-Adventures of Wonderella, Satan isn't exactly good...however, he is a man of his word, and ends up whimpering, about his rebellion, "I just wanted to hear I did a good job sometimes." It's an impressive feat to make eight-foot-tall-muscley-red-demon!Satan have a moment of Woobiedom. | |
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Dragon Ball has had Demon King Piccolo, who was later reincarnated into the more familiar Piccolo who eventually became good (and never was as completely evil as he claimed to be, despite having been evil in his previous life). And there's Dabura, a demon who went to Heaven and reformed his ways (anime version only), with the explanation being that sending a demon to Hell when he dies would hardly be a punishment. | |
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Shan-wei is the Safeholdian Church of God Awaiting's equivalent of Satan. However, what only a select few know is that Pei Shan-wei was an actual person who tried to deflate the ambitions of her fellow "Archangels" Eric Langhorne and Adorée Bédard and was murdered for her trouble. | |
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Satan in Boy Meets Boy is, at worst, Affably Evil. The same goes for her daughter, the main characters' landlady. | |
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Possible example: In the Star Trek: The Animated Series episode "The Magicks of Megas-Tu", the crew meets an alien who looks like the devil, and other aliens claim that he did form the basis of humans' conception of the devil long ago, but what we see him do now is purely benevolent. Supposedly, he had a Heel–Face Turn. | |
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Before that, in Megami Tensei II, Lucifer is imprisoned in ice for the first half of the game for battling against YHWH, and recruiting him using the similarly maligned Baal is necessary to get the good ending of the game. Ironically, the separate character Satan was responsible for the apocalypse (On YHWH's orders no less) but managed to blame Lucifer for it. | |
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Some In Nomine campaigns feature this portrayal of Satan. The core books leave the characterization of both him and God ambiguous enough that it's mostly a question of how the Game Master portrays the world. | |
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Played with in Sonic X: Dark Chaos. Maledict is a Faux Affably Evil Manipulative Bastard tyrant with semi-good intentions. However, compared to Allysion and the Angels (especially the Muslims), he looks like a saint in comparison. | |
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While he's not portrayed as especially friendly in the spinoff Lucifer, Lucifer is at least on the side of saving this universe (to say nothing of his own universe). He even ends up helping defend Heaven against the Lilim. | |
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The Sandman (1989): While he's not portrayed as especially friendly in the spinoff Lucifer, Lucifer is at least on the side of saving this universe (to say nothing of his own universe). He even ends up helping defend Heaven against the Lilim. God is also sympathetic, making this the creative differences version. Indeed, the final story makes it seem less like a great cosmic saga and more like the tales of a powerful and distant father and his troubled, bitter son. His appearance in The Sandman is more ambiguous. His first appearance seems rather standard Lord of Damnation, but his later appearances show him as a mostly neutral force in things, trying to live his own life, now that he's abandoned Hell. His rant about people choosing to come to Hell and their lies about him stealing souls pissing him off also made him far more sympathetic, if not necessarily good. Also, he has style. And he looks like David Bowie. And he can admit to admiring God's work with sunsets. Neil Gaiman tends to portray Lucifer's Fall as all part of God's plan in a number of his works, such as "Murder Mysteries". Albeit a plan poor Lucifer was never let in on... Further explored in Hellblazer, with the reveal of the First Of The Fallen. Turns out, Lucifer is 'a Devil, not the Devil. His backstory of rebellion against God is the same, but he was not the original evil. When Lucifer is cast into Hell, he finds the First Of the Fallen already there. Lucifer eventually takes control of Hell, but it's only because of sheer power, and he's a half-hearted torturer of souls at best and not actively antagonistic to humanity, mentioning in The Sandman that the expression "the Devil made me do it" is fundamentally incorrect because he's never made anyone do anything. Indeed, forcing anyone to do anything goes against Lucifer's personal philosophy of freedom at all costs. In contrast, the First of The Fallen is definitely what the average person thinks of when they hear the title of the Devil: contemptuous to humanity and reveling in the torture of the souls of the wicked. Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own Conscience, which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited and hesitant in creating as he still had reservations and doubts over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God, with FOF as the first independent entity aside from God. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in misery and suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into what later became Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original Madman, as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven inevitably caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get corrupted until they ultimately Became Their Own Antithesis. The FOF admits that he already realized at some point long ago that he had finally become the irredeemable monster which humans had always made him out to be, but it was John Constantine, using knowledge from human Satanic cults, who figured out at last the true nature of FOF as the former conscience of God. |
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Satan in South Park is a rather nice Punch-Clock Villain (the Canadian Devil from "Freemium Isn't Free", in contrast, is genuinely evil). He tortures people, sure, but mostly he is portrayed as naive and needy; his apparently-darker moments seem to mostly be an act. His boyfriend Saddam Hussein on the other hand... Furthermore, while we see more than a few people getting tortured, we also see plenty of people just wandering around doing their thing without hassle in parks and town squares that seem quite nice, considering the fire and brimstone surrounding them. Considering that only Mormons get into heaven in South Park, hell is filled with perfectly good people, so there's no reason for Satan to be mean to them. They might even get a chance at one of those nice condos out by the lake of fire! And don't forget the costume parties and Hawaiian-themed hula-dancing! And on one occasion, he even visited Heaven temporarily to ask God for advice. | |
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Further explored in Hellblazer, with the reveal of the First Of The Fallen. Turns out, Lucifer is 'a Devil, not the Devil. His backstory of rebellion against God is the same, but he was not the original evil. When Lucifer is cast into Hell, he finds the First Of the Fallen already there. Lucifer eventually takes control of Hell, but it's only because of sheer power, and he's a half-hearted torturer of souls at best and not actively antagonistic to humanity, mentioning in The Sandman that the expression "the Devil made me do it" is fundamentally incorrect because he's never made anyone do anything. Indeed, forcing anyone to do anything goes against Lucifer's personal philosophy of freedom at all costs. In contrast, the First of The Fallen is definitely what the average person thinks of when they hear the title of the Devil: contemptuous to humanity and reveling in the torture of the souls of the wicked. Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own Conscience, which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited and hesitant in creating as he still had reservations and doubts over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God, with FOF as the first independent entity aside from God. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in misery and suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into what later became Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original Madman, as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven inevitably caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get corrupted until they ultimately Became Their Own Antithesis. The FOF admits that he already realized at some point long ago that he had finally become the irredeemable monster which humans had always made him out to be, but it was John Constantine, using knowledge from human Satanic cults, who figured out at last the true nature of FOF as the former conscience of God. |
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In the Prince Roger series by David Weber and John Ringo, one important supporting character's ENTIRE RELIGION is based on this. The character's religion came about as a result of a religious purge war on her home planet, with everyone not in line with the corrupt church being labelled Satanists. Thinking that Satan can't be all that bad if the corrupt church was an example of God's wishes, they pretty much just took the rites and litany of their corrupt church and switched all the names and references around as part Insult Backfire and part Take That!. Hence, their religious practices bear little resemblance to those commonly associated with Satanists in the media; the entire name is arguably a joke masquerading as a religion. As for their actual beliefs: The Archangels at some point decided they could run the universe better than God, and imprisoned him (which is also why evil happens, according to them; the Archangels are powerful and wise, but neither omnipotent, omniscient nor omnibenevolent). Lucifer tried to defend God, but failed and was cast out of Heaven. Now he sits in Hell, amassing his forces and biding his time until Armageddon, when he will lead his army into Heaven, defeat the Archangels and free God, who will then grant Lucifer's followers the Promised Land as a reward. | |
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The Devil as he appears in Devil May Care is genuinely a nice and friendly guy and, despite the appearance of his true form, is technically still an angel, placed in charge of Hell because his ideas for earth were genuinely terrible. Hell used to be a place of torment but when he realized that humans didn't like pain, he's been revamping Hell so it's at least bearable, if not an enjoyable place to live. The worst thing about him is that he can be a bit impulsive and prone to not thinking things through and having trouble paying attention at times. That said, it's still a good idea to not intentionally make him mad or fight him. | |
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Ghost, from True Capitalist, gets a few calls from Satanists, which made him sarcastically remark "Satan is good, Satan is my pal." Of course, this resulted in more than one Voice Clip Song. | |
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Jacob's Ladder does this as the stick/carrot interpretation. The demons are angels, depending on the perspective of the person encountering them. If they don't want to die, they're demons trying to take their life away - if they're at peace, they're angels freeing them from the Earth. | |
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In Touhou, Shinki is basically Satan; female, extremely powerful and somewhat nice. However provoking her is not a good idea and she could easily destroy entire cities on a whim. The sole reason why she was attacked in the first place by Reimu and Marisa was because she sent demons to Gensokyo - as tourists. In contrast, the place that she created and currently rules, Makai, The Demon Realm, is not Hell; the bad afterlife is showed later in the series, and has no relation to her or her realm. Really, she is Satan only in motif, being a six-winged ruler of demons that lives in a palace called Pandemonium. | |
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A Channel Ate strip dealt with the devil's confusion over his apparent bad reputation. It was appropriately titled "Don't Believe Everything You Hear". | |
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Drive Angry doesn't show Satan on screen, but The Accountant mentions that Satan is well-read and an all-around good guy. He's really just the warden of the afterlife's prison. He even opposes the idea of having kids sacrificed in his name, making the cult leader villain of the film more evil than Satan himself. | |
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The Ancient Gods Part 1 DLC of Doom Eternal finally introduces the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire franchise, Satan in all but name, and the supreme leader of Hell: Davoth, the Dark Lord. Sure, he caused all of the suffering throughout the franchise, but then it is for one reason: love. Davoth and his demons (and by extension, Hell) were once an ambitious, benevolent race of beings created by The Father in Urdak. The Father created Davoth with boundless ambition and love for his people, but this love was so great that Davoth never wished for any of them to die, and so begins his downward spiral as he futilely seeks immortality. As time went on, Davoth starts to become increasingly deranged, and started to use more and more depraved methods to seek limitless life. His corruption caused his people to start changing as well, turning to the demons that we know today. Sure, Davoth isn't exactly good anymore, but in complete contrast to every other antagonist before him, who are either mindless beasts or vile, self-serving Omnicidal Maniac, Davoth only did it because he didn't want his people to die out before him. The Ancient Gods Part 2 take this trope a step further and turns it on its head. It turns out Davoth was actually God himself, originally. And was overthrown by The Father, who claimed to be God and served as a far more benevolent deity than Davoth. Meaning that Davoth is simultaneously a case of this trope and God Is Evil. |
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ULTRAKILL: Unlike his poem counterpart, Lucifer never betrayed God nor bring evil and suffering to the world. Instead, sin is a natural consequence of free will and Lucifer merely questions God about the creation of Hell out of sympathy for the human sinners. In a state of terror, God casted Lucifer into Hell, a tragic mistake that God Himself immediately regrets once He came to His senses. In a disturbing twist, it is Hell itself that serves as the game's Satanic Archetype. | |
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In SHUFFLE!, the Demon King is a friendly and gentle person, and his best friend is the God King who has a funny personality. Both wouldn't really mind if the protagonist Rin won't marry their respective daughters (in the anime, he chooses Asa instead). Well, since Fantastic Racism doesn't exist in this world, neither humans nor Gods nor demons are evil. The only "bad" thing the demons have ever done during the series would be Project Yggdrasil, but it's not that the Demon King wouldn't regret it, and he considers the subjects of Project Yggdrasil as people. He really cared for his daughter's clone Lycoris who sacrificed herself to save Nerine, he's genuinely nice to Primula, and he apologizes to Ama for what he and his men have done to her (she doesn't mind though). | |
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Heavily suggested in the backstory for Witch Hunter Robin, although the witch relating it came off (intentionally or not) as an Unreliable Narrator. | |
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Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn plays with this. The role of God was taken by the Goddess of Order, Ashera, while Satan was depicted as the Goddess of Chaos, Yune. Neither goddess are truly good or bad (and are actually two parts to a whole), but ancient propaganda had Yune portrayed as a "dark goddess", although this was actually for a noble, albeit misguided, purpose to preserve ethnic and political relations. It doesn't last, and when Ashera decides to pass judgment on the world and turns humanity into stone, it's Yune, long depicted as the "dark goddess", who assists the heroes to save the world. | |
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Voltes V: Downplayed with Jangal Rui, Prince Heinel's strategist. He resembles a Big Red Devil, though that's where his connection with Satan ends. He is a brute who fights for the Boazanian Empire, but as far as personalities go, he's a nice guy. He holds no ill will towards Heinel for torturing and imprisoning him in episode 5, protects him from assassination attempts, is horrified at seeing the execution of Girion, and informs Kenichi where his missing father is before he commits Seppuku. He genuinely respects the Voltes Team and would even make a great ally for them had they not been on opposing sides. | |
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In Shina Dark he does appear to be good overall. Satan has all sorts of horrible things written about him (even to the point where he is believed to be a pedophile and a sex maniac). However, he really is just a good-natured, lazy, couch potato, who has numerous "accidental pervert" moments. In fact he doesn't even look like what you would expect him to look like. So much so that his Butler is often mistaken to be Satan. Though refusing to fight ("It goes against the Beauty of battle if you fight the boss first") and sending your maid to fight first and then attempting to duck out of the battle with out fighting may not be considered good by some. Then again, if said maid is a Robot Girl Person of Mass Destruction, that's pretty much justifiable. There are a few hints, however, that at some long, long ago point of his Mysterious Past he may have been justifiably called Demon King, but as the manga ended years ago on a Sequel Hook that never materialized and with many unresolved plot points including this one, we'll likely never know. |
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