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Heroic Heelization Speech
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Villains have many tools to use against a hero, head games being among the most favored. Whatever the form of Breaking Speech, villains love to use "logic" to convince the hero why they should give up and accept the inevitable, whether it be defeat, destruction, or worse. Sometimes this goes horribly right. Enter the Heroic Heelization Speech: the unintended result of a successful attempt to make the heroes question their self-worth, motivation, and goals. On these occasions, the heroes, upon being given the breaking speech, agree with every word the villain has said, that they are acting out a fantasy savior complex, or that the world is otherwise so lost that their actions have no worth anyway. The heroes will then go on to explain how these newfound realizations given to them by their antagonist have shown them that there's no reason why they can't give the villains a healthy taste of their own medicine - with that said, they're now willing to Shoot the Dog. This may take form of I'm Not a Hero, I'm... where they may either deny being a "hero" in the first place, or find out that they're fine not being a "hero" if it means they can do what's necessary with impunity. The Heroic Heelization Speech is all about two things: a morality shift, and irony. The morality shift occurs when the heroes become sympathetic to the villain's point of view or methods, the irony occurs when the villain becomes a victim of said realization. A hero giving this speech may slide into Anti-Hero or villain territory: whether the hero goes all the way over to the dark side or not depends on whether the hero is seriously going dark, or is just making a point, and whether or not someone is there to stop him/her. Sometimes, a hero making this speech can have good sense slapped into them by a fellow hero or the people they've saved before reminding the hero of the good the hero has done. Compare "No More Holding Back" Speech for when a breaking speech results in a hero accessing their true potential in a positive way. See Hannibal Lecture (only when the one causing the realization has been captured by the one having the realization) and Breaking Speech for what can cause this to begin with. Contrast Kirk Summation, which is more about pointing out the flaws/evilness in the villain's Evil Plan. |
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Deconstructed in Worm with Jack Slash to Scion. Scion was always going to go on a murderous spree, and Jack only caused it to happen about a decade earlier. | |
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In Superman/Shazam!: The Return of Black Adam, Captain Marvel does this after finally getting the upper hand on Black Adam, who had been taunting him just moments earlier with Marvel's weakness. | |
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Tales of the Canterlot Deportation Agency: Discussed in Divine Intersection. When Joanna accuses Bree of being a demon, Bree casually pins her down, puts her hand to her throat, and points out that if she really is a demon, there's no reason for her to not just squeeze. | |
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Justice League: "A Better World" starts in an Alternate Universe where Superman corners President Lex Luthor in the White House. Luthor is trying to escape after a plot that has apparently gone terribly wrong at some point after he deliberately murdered The Flash. Luthor is about to launch some device (possibly nukes) but is told by Superman that he can stop him. Luthor taunts Superman, saying that Superman's ego is the whole reason for this mess (because Superman could have killed him anytime but didn't) and goes on to gloat that the worst thing that will happen is he will go to jail for a while before breaking out and starting the whole thing all over again. Superman calmly agrees and says it's time for him to take responsibility for his role in Luthor's villainy... before frying him with his heat vision. This act starts this version of Superman down the road to becoming a Justice Lord. | |
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Archenemy the Joker loves giving these out as well. Unlike most examples, he wants Batman - or in one instance, Superman - to kill him once they go bad. Getting killed by the very hero he corrupted would just affirm Joker's nihilistic philosophy to him. | |
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In What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?, Superman appears to have gone this route. If the world is looking for him to be pushed over the edge by Darker and Edgier heroes, then he'll give them a Darker and Edgier Superman. It's terrifying. This was, in fact, a ruse to make the world realize just how dangerous the Elite's worldview really is. | |
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In X-Men: First Class, Magneto has one of these when Sebastian Shaw tells him that all of the torture and abuse he put him through in a concentration camp only made him stronger, and that it's mutantkind's destiny to rule over humans. | |
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Undertale: Throughout the game, in your various runs, Flowey the Flower will keep taunting, haranguing, and threatening the Player Character in a bid to make them kill more enemies, since he believes the spirit of his dead best friend is inside the PC, and killing will help them break out. Should the player go through a No Mercy route (in which you kill every enemy it's possible to kill in the game), Flowey will show up to congratulate you and cheer you on...only to realise that you don't intend to spare him, either. | |
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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine provides two examples. "Our Man Bashir": Dr. Bashir is playing a James Bond-like character in a holodeck program that accidentally assimilated several other crew members. To avoid getting either himself or his friends killed by the malfunctioning programnote the standard formula for completing the story "correctly" would have one of the two Bond Girls and the Big Bad die, and all three characters are being portrayed by Bashir's friends, Bashir has his character do a Face–Heel Turn and join the Big Bad, giving a speech mirroring one Garak gave him about how the reward for being a faithful agent was usually an early death. The villain is unconvinced and prepares to shoot Bashir anyway, but is delayed long enough for the program to be deactivated safely. "In the Pale Moonlight": Sisko violently confronts Garak about his scheming and the resulting deaths, and gets a scathing Breaking Speech in response. The episode ends with Sisko finishing his personal log of the episode's events with this trope. It's a little ambiguous whether the sentiment is genuine or if he's just trying to convince himself he's comfortable violating his principles and morality (and covering it up to maintain the ruse) if it means giving The Federation a fighting chance in a Hopeless War. Sisko then deletes the log entry, completing the cover-up of the crimes he and Garak committed together. |
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Mass Effect 3: Renegade Shepard can use this trope as a persuasion tactic to get the Migrant Fleet to stand down during the final battle of the Rannoch storyline. Specifically, they remind the belligerent quarians how Shepard has saved them in Mass Effect and again in a prior mission of 3, then tells them that now they are facing another threat of the same magnitude and that Shepard is done saving them if they cannot just for once listen to reason. This has the intended effect and the quarians stand down, unlocking the Golden Ending. | |
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Section 8: Prejudice has a Reveal halfway through that the reason there are no aliens in the setting is because humans killed them all. At the end, the Big Bad tells Captain Corde that "the Empire is built on the graves of millions". Corde more or less agrees, but as the Big Bad couldn't come up with any better solution than killing an entire colony of civilians pretty much at random... | |
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In Watchmen, Rorschach has one of these when he tracks down a killer who has cut up a little girl and fed her to dogs. Rorschach has a break down after the crook dares Rorschach to take him to jail. Rorschach responds "Men get arrested... dogs get put down!!!" before killing him. It should be noted that before this moment, Rorschach was your typical "Thou Shalt Not Kill" straight hero. | |
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Gargoyles. In the series premiere/movie, Goliath references a statement made to him by Demona earlier in the movie, where she asks him to go to war on humanity. After she is apparently killed by Xanatos, Goliath goes to throw him off his tower, stating (paraphrase) that she suggested that he go to war with the world and that Xanatos would be a good place to start. Elisa talks him down by saying if he killed Xanatos than he would be no different from Demona. | |
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Super Stupor: Discussed. At one point, the supervillain The Anarch explains to Punchline (a hero he had captive) his plan to madden his nemesis, the Cosmic Crusader, into misanthropy by forcing him to trigger a deathtrap that would kill his girlfriend. Punchline is mainly excited about the chance to see a villain commit "suicide by hero." | |
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In the Batman: The Animated Series episode "Joker's Favor", Charlie Collins The Everyman gives one of these to The Joker, of all people, after Joker has terrorized him and his family for years. | |
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Full Metal Daemon Muramasa concludes with one of these as the main character Kageaki decides to take minor villain Ichizo's "The Reason You Suck" Speech to heart and finally decides to drop his whole Heroic Wannabe and Guilt Complex shtick and become the villain he had always seen himself as. | |
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In 8-Bit Theater, White Mage has one (with some prodding from Black Mage) after Onrac is destroyed for the second time and she thinks her efforts at that point are futile. In keeping with the trope, not only does this not get Black Mage what he wanted (deciding to be evil doesn't make White Mage any more willing to overlook Black Mage's laundry list of faults, so he's no closer to sleeping with her), but it also gives the Villain Protagonists of the comic a slightly harder time, because WM determines that her new calling is "precision violence" and gives Red Mage a kicking. | |
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In The Paradoxesof Mr Pond the story "When Doctors Agree" is an extended version of this. Doctor Campbell spends the story destroying his student's Presbyterian faith, in order to get him to agree that it's justifiable to commit murder for the good of society. Once he's convinced his student, he then boasts that he's committed at least one murder in accordance with this philosophy. His student promptly and fatally removes him from society. | |
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Like in its original inspiration, the aforementioned What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?, Superman in both Superman vs. the Elite and the comic book source of said animated story. During their final fight, Superman takes a number of gruesome hits, to lull his opponents into a false sense of security, then uncorks a larger fraction of his full power, using it to present the illusion that he is killing each member of The Elite. When Manchester Black calls him on this, he replies that he finally understands what it is that they've been trying to tell him, and from now on he's going to be fighting crime their way. Unfortunately for them, they're going to be the first people he uses their new philosophy on. Fortunately for them, also like in the comic, he was BSing them to make a point. | |
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The Empowered special "PEW! PEW! PEW!" revolves around the eponymous heroine continuing to struggle with the lack of respect she receives while battling several minor supervillains going on shooting sprees for petty reasons — who were all using a specific brand of BFG, TeknoFetish. Emp had noticed that the TeknoFetish user agreement essentially warned that the guns would manipulate their users into "uncontrollable rage episodes", but gets caught by the wreckage of one weapon from a defeated villain. The smartgun then reassembles itself, larger than before, while driving Empowered into a homicidal rage by More than Mind Control. However, Empowered decides that what she's really angry about is the gun trying to use her as a puppet, and blasts it, along with most of the building she's standing on, to pieces before she calms down. | |
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Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance: The bad guys often question Raiden's reason for fighting. Monsoon, in particular, spends most of his introductory cutscene tearing Raiden's ideals apart and trying to make him realize he enjoys killing. Unfortunately for him, and everybody else standing in Raiden's way from that point on, not only does our hero agree with him, he allows himself to tap into the suppressed bloodlust of his "Ripper" side, revealing a far more dangerous psychopath than any of them could have imagined. | |
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Gadget does this in the Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers fanfic Gadget in Chains. After being framed for a crime she didn't commit and thrown in a hellhole of a prison in place of her Evil Twin Lawhiney, an escaping Gadget happens upon Lawhiney on the road. When Gadget figures out who it is she is dealing with, and exactly how big the scam is, that, combined with some of the things she had to do to get out of prison, make her give a speech about how easy it is to not give a damn, before beating the tar out of Lawhiney and trying to kill her. | |
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