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Complaining About Shows You Don't Like can be fun. Picking apart works and trying to find and explain (and make fun of) some of the things that went wrong can be deeply satisfying, and at the same time strangely therapeutic. Of course, some people take some of these criticisms to heart, and won't hesitate to chew you out if you suggest that something may be wrong with their personal Sacred Cow. That person will usually rebut your criticism with something like, "Oh, yeah? Let's see YOU do better!" There is a common misconception among fans and people having worked in a particular field that non-experts are not qualified to comment on their work. While it helps to have some background information or experience, it is certainly not required. It doesn't take a carpenter to recognize a poorly-made table, after all.note If a table spontaneously falls apart, things probably didn't go according to procedure. Besides, films are usually made to entertain audiences, so of course it is acceptable for people to have opinions over which movies fail to accomplish this. And even if it wasn't made for your demographic, then that does not exempt it from criticism, either. Targets for audience mockery are especially vulnerable to this phenomenon, as is the person with a Small Name, Big Ego. Let's all remember what Baldassere Castiglione said in The Courtier: Just imagine if this were applied to all forms of criticism: "You think I don't do a good job raising my own children, and you think their grandparents should handle them? How can you even say that when you've never been a parent?" "You think this cake tastes bad and is undercooked? How can you even say that when you've never been a chef?" "You can't criticize that politician if you yourself have never been in politics!" Clearly, you need not be good at something yourself in order to be able to tell whether someone else is good or not. This objection is rarely (if ever) raised to deflect positive criticism, but very few people are particularly inclined to reject positive criticism or praise in the first place, regardless of the source. On the other hand, while all opinions may be valid, this does not mean that all opinions are equally informed or useful. Media criticism is usually a mix of opinion over what makes a good work and objective facts about the text presented. This means that getting the details wrong can undermine the quality of a review. For instance, somebody might mistakenly assume a trope is being played straight when the opposite might be true. This legitimately affects the credibility of the reviewer and the review, since it suggests that they simply weren't paying full attention, or even that they may be a Know-Nothing Know-It-All. Furthermore, it is often much easier to sit back and criticise someone else's creation from the sidelines than it is to create something yourself, and it is not rare for criticism to form even without any rudimentary understanding of the difficulties inherent in producing whatever is being criticised. While anyone who's read a book or seen a movie is instantly capable of determining whether they like it or not, it's not always as easy to understand the challenges and difficulties that exist in creating a work of art without trying it for yourself. While having attempted to, say, write a novel doesn't guarantee that you will enjoy every novel you ever read, it does mean that you will have some better understanding of how novels are constructed (and how hard they can be to construct) than someone who has not, which can in turn inform your review. It should also be remembered that in many cases creative works are, at least in part, the creator's personal expression and thus something they're likely to be very close to and emotional about. Said works are also something the creator has usually devoted a lot of time, energy, resources, and their life in general into producing. As such, a lot of time when a creator tries to deploy this trope, it is often an emotional reaction rather than a strictly logical one. Whether the criticism is valid or not (especially if valid in some cases), it can be disheartening for a creator to have their hard work casually and bluntly dismissed by someone with no experience of what it took to produce it, thus making this response perhaps understandable, if not exactly admirable. At the very least, informed criticism is usually aware of when genuine effort has (or has not) been made in trying to achieve something and is willing to acknowledge that effort, even if it didn't pay off, rather than dismissing the entire thing out of hand. This argument legitimately comes into play when someone actually is coming out and saying they could do better without producing any evidence to that effect; in such cases, it's not unreasonable to ask them to put their money where their mouth is and pony up the goods. In some circles, this is erroneously called "Ebert's Law", named after the famous film critic Roger Ebert. This is not an actual trope about his version of Ebert's Law, which is "It's not what a movie's about, but how it's about it." 'Those who can, do; those who can't, criticize,' is also a common variant. A form of circumstantial Ad Hominem. Compare with Don't Like? Don't Read! (when this trope is applied to Fan Fic), and Hire the Critic (which sometimes happens in order to test their challenge). Also compare Correction Bait and He Panned It, Now He Sucks!. An Older Than Radio example is Benjamin Disraeli's remark that the ranks of critics are drawn from those who have failed at literature and the arts. (Disraeli earned his living as a novelist.) A specific case where the trope can be applied with impunity is when the critic claims 'Everyone can do better' or something to the tune, directly claiming a group they could belong in indeed can do better. The most feared response to this statement is 'You wanna bet?' The idea that you need some expertise in a subject matter in order to adequately judge and criticize it is actually substantially true; scientific studies have found that the ability to do some task correlates directly with your ability to comment on, criticize, and judge the performance of others usefully. This is known as the Dunning-Kruger Effect; people who are bad at performing a task not only are incapable of judging how well others do on it but are incapable of judging how good they themselves are at the task at hand and will frequently wildly overestimate their own ability not only to do the task at hand but to judge the capabilities of others. Not to be confused with Captain Pike's Dare to Be Badass issued to the young Jim Kirk. |
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In The Smurfs episode "The Gingerbread Smurfs", when Brainy, being the village critic of everything such as Greedy's cooking, claims that he has just as much skill at cooking as Greedy does, but simply doesn't make a big deal out of it, Greedy challenges him to prove it through a Cooking Duel, with gingerbread cookies being the item they will both make for the judging. Of course, Brainy realizes that he can't back up his claims when he and Clumsy attempt to create a recipe for gingerbread cookies and so decides to cheat by using one of Papa Smurf's magic books to create magical gingerbread cookies, which end up becoming Anthropomorphic Food that multiplies and takes over the village. Needless to say, Brainy at the end of the episode gets thrown out of the village along with his cookie. | |
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Mr. Rogers invoked this on himself; the first time he saw television, particularly children's television, he was disappointed in the content, feeling it was too silly. He started Mister Rogers' Neighborhood because he thought he could do better and make something more meaningful. | |
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Bleach: In 2010, Tite Kubo tweeted this positive, encouraging response to criticism about his work: | |
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According to legend, the career of James Fenimore Cooper — and thus, all of American fictional literature — got its start when Cooper's wife made him read a wretched European novel to her. Reportedly, James was so disgusted by the novel that he claimed he could write a better one himself. And he did: The Last of the Mohicans, which is still considered one of the greatest adventure novels of all time. (This is made all the more awesome if you know that Cooper lived in New York City all his life and never even visited the upstate forests he wrote about.) Edgar Rice Burroughs said the same thing: he wasn't making a very good living in the various jobs he had, was reading some penny novels and thought to himself that he could write crap at least that good and make money too. Creations such as Tarzan and John Carter of Mars proved he underestimated how good he could be. Quite the same thing happened to Pierre Pairault, a French dentist, whose wife once was reading a Sci-Fi story. She found it so bad that she told her husband: "Even you would do better!" Pairault gave it a try, then another. From 1956 to 1959, he wrote (under the name of Stefan Wul) eleven novels, most of which are now considered classics of French Sci-Fi literature. Two of them were adapted to the big screen (Fantastic Planet and Time Masters), and a series of comics covering all his work is currently being published. |
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Tommy Boy: After Tommy alienated a potential client with an overly-hammy sales pitch, Richard takes the lead on their next meeting with a client, but instead, he comes off as so smug and disdainful that he immediately gets chewed out over it. | |
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Pandora's Legions: At the end, the Columbians complain that the whole plan for integrating Earth ideas was wasteful and unnecessary. In response, they're told that a new planet has been found with humanoids as much smarter than Earthmen as Earthmen are smarter than Centrans, and asked for suggestions on dealing with them. | |
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League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Tempest Rewrite: To quote the author at the beginning: | |
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Radio Enfer: Mr. Giroux once makes two contests where two students would be able to become either principal or psychologist for a day, replacing Giroux and Jocelyne respectively, so that students can see how hard it is to be in their shoes. Vincent becomes the principal for a day, while Camille becomes the psychologist because Jean-Lou submitted her name. At the end, after Vincent is unable to do anything productive, Giroux appears with an Étudiants debout! newspaper he made himself where he criticizes the student's incompetency before admitting the whole point of this contest was so that Vincent would know what it's like to be criticized after a day of work like that. | |
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The Simpsons: In "$pringfield", when Bart is kicked out of Mr. Burns' casino and notes the martinis suck, the Squeaky-Voiced Teen challenges him to have his own casino in his treehouse. Bart does just that, leading the teen to note how he was shown up. In "Bart Star", Homer constantly taunts Ned Flanders about his football coaching. When Flanders has enough, he gives Homer the position. When Homer is in college, he tells his professor that he knows how a particle accelerator works. The professor challenges him to come down and show everybody. Cut to the lecture hall glowing with radiation as people flee screaming... |
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Doctor Who Expanded Universe novelist Keith Topping, responding to critics on the Doctor Who Usenet groups: | |
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One The Kids in the Hall sketch has a teacher who is trying to teach his students how to do foreign accents and dialects. Each of his accents is horribly done and exaggerated. Finally one of his students complains and the teacher asks him to try doing a Cockney accent (which the teacher himself tried to do before the student complained). The student then proceeds to do a rather authentic-sounding Cockney accent. | |
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In the Looney Tunes cartoon, "The Honey-Mousers" (an obvious nod to The Honeymooners), Ralph and Norton, who are mice in this cartoon, are struggling to to get food from the fridge due to a cat. Alice criticizes their approach, and Ralph says for her to try it. She walks over to the cat, and when he tries to yowl at her, she just slaps him across the face and shouts, "AAAAHHH SHADDUP!" and he just cowers away. | |
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012): A key plot point in "New Girl in Town." After being criticized and second-guessed by Raph one time too many, Leo finally gets sick of it and passes over the leadership to him. At first, he's firmly convinced that he'll be a much better leader than Leo, but he soon finds out just how tough being leader really is during a fight with Snakeweed, where he can't come up with any real plan of attack and goes into a Heroic BSoD when Mikey gets hurt. When they escape, Raph acknowledges that he can't handle being leader, now knows what Leo has to deal with every day, and that they need him back. | |
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Atop the Fourth Wall was flooded with these kinds of comments after Linkara introduced "Miller Time," a series of reviews of Frank Miller's worst comics. He responded that he's only been at this for a couple years, while Miller's been working for three decades. During the Wolverine: Adamantium Rage review, Spoony (who was watching in the background) mocks Linkara's decision to use cheat codes during a particularly difficult part of the game. Linkara's response is to step away from the keyboard and let Spoony try. After a half-dozen failures and an abortive suicide attempt, Spoony lets Linkara cheat. Inverted, during an episode of History of Power Rangers, Linkara notes that Lord Zedd's evil Rangers were just the Puttys painted in the Rangers' colors, and he could make a better costume than that. A few months later, he unveiled a White Zeo Ranger suit in the style of his normal Linkara attire. Also note that Linkara has written his own comic. Of course, to some, this doesn't help. |
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Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood: In one confrontation with Gluttony, Mustang's fire attack proves ineffective because Gluttony has activated his internal failed gate and so just absorbs it. Ed insults him for being useless, prompting Mustang to snap back that Ed should do something, then. Ed does manage to do somewhat better, but not without some running and hiding, and he still gets "eaten". | |
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This is the basic premise of the RWBY fanfic Leader Change: After hearing one too many complaints from Weiss regarding her overall competence, Ruby snaps and gives Weiss the opportunity to switch places with her and become the leader of Team RWBY like she originally wanted to. Suffice to say, Weiss soon realizes the responsibilities that come with being the leader and starts to regret wanting the position so much. | |
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After My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) responded to criticisms regarding the quality of the art in some issues with this, the artist Pencils accepted their challenge and blew them clean out of the water. IDW took it in good stride, being impressed enough that they actually hired him, initially to do some alternate covers and eventually to draw full issues. Tropes Are Tools, indeed! | |
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Captain Planet and the Planeteers: In "The Predator", the climax has Kwame, Linka, and Wheeler (along with one of the locals) trying to catch up to Bleak, who has dumped chum in the water and is dragging a Bound and Gagged Gi and Ma-Ti behind his hydrofoil. Wheeler manages to burn off Gi's gag while they're still some distance away, but he causes her some discomfort in the process. When Linka calls him on it, he retorts that she should try burning something on a moving target that's being pursued by a shark. | |
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In House of Mouse, Pete is getting on Mickey's nerves by criticizing everything the club does, so Mickey tells him that he can try running it for the night. He ends up becoming a nervous wreck because the villains he hired to help him are driving guests away with their selfish and obnoxious behavior, then to make matters worse the villains turn on Pete when he tries to get them to clean up their act. Pete ends up begging Mickey to take the club back. | |
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Lynn Johnston of For Better or for Worse fame used to maintain a mailbag feature on her website. After letters complaining about the quality of the strip were run, it was not uncommon for others to write in saying that if the former group thought it was so bad, they should come up with their own comic strip instead. | |
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Jim Sterling of Jimquisition has been told this after criticizing some buggy, poorly made games that were slapped together using unaltered video game assets and sold on Steam. Their response was to point out that they indeed could not make a decent video game, but nor were they trying to, whereas many games were mediocre and buggy, but developers tried to sell them anyway. | |
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If anyone criticizes an article on Cracked, expect to see this trope show up. Unless the author admits that his article sucks, and apologises for putting it up. | |
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A Possible Encounter for a Phantom: When Kim describes Paulina's cheerleading as "pretty basic", Paulina dares Kim to out-cheer her. Kim accepts the challenge and wins. | |
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A series of fake bloopers in Animaniacs features Dot constantly messing up her own Overly Long Name (Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca Banana Fanna Bo Besca III). After getting teased by Yakko about it, she tells him to try it sometime. Yakko then recites her name flawlessly. Dot merely dismisses it commenting, "Easy for you to say, Mr. United States Canada Mexico Panama!" | |
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Newgrounds used to be the king of this trope. It seemed that unless you had a movie that was rated in the top 10, you had absolutely no right to criticize any movies. There were even movies made making fun of those people who left comments or even rated movies down. But most of these were made about the types of people who made comments like 'Your movie stinks' or 'You used sprites, therefore you sucked' or attacked the author without good reason. Sometimes, even pointing out a bug in a Flash game got the same thing. | |
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The author of Hunting the Unicorn practically states that "this is how Blaine's characterization could have been, if the writers weren't busy pandering to the Lowest Common Denominator." | |
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A Very Potter Sequel: "Oh, yeah Lupin? Let's see you sing something better right now!" | |
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The author of Prison Island Break and quite a lot of other Dark Fic apparently once got told this for giving a bad review. So... | |
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In the Hal Linden episode of The Muppet Show, after years of heckling in the box, Kermit allows for Statler and Waldorf to host the show instead. It ends up being every bit the disaster if Kermit had been running things. | |
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Known to The Daily Show fans as the "Tucker Carlson defense", after Jon Stewart criticized Crossfire for being bad journalism, and Carlson complained that Jon's show wasn't proper journalism either. | |
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On Dragon Cave, a popular adoptables site with dragon sprites, fans will occasionally criticise the art- with things ranging from genuine explanations about not liking colours, poses, shading styles, etc. to others who just say 'It sucks, get rid of it!' Some artists and fans have responded with this trope; others of course understand that everybody can be a good spriter and sketcher, and they're perfectly entitled to having an opinion on art. | |
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Blinky Bill: In the episode "Mayor Blinky Bill", Mayor Pelican gives Blinky the job of mayor after Blinky criticizes him one time too many. The rest of the episode is Blinky learning how hard being mayor really is. | |
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The Order of the Stick: Used to hang a lampshade. Elan, a bard, had written a terrible rhyme because he had to get his point across to a tavern full of people quickly, and the title of the strip was "You Try Rhyming 'Assassin'". Used again to Spot the Impostor. Vaarsuvius, faced with distinguishing Elan from his Evil Twin Nale, points out that Nale would be familiar with this situation on account of it being a dull and predictable plot turn, and Nale's strategies just aren't all that clever for a self-proclaimed Evil Genius. Nale's Fatal Flaw being Pride, he immediately retorts "So, what, you think you could have come up with something more clever than Nale did?", giving himself away. |
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In Jingo, Captain Carrot's reaction to undead-rights Single-Issue Wonk Reg Shoe complaining about the Watch is to recruit him. Complaints from the undead community immediately go up, all about Reg, who promptly responds that they don't understand policing in a multi-vital society. | |
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Used in The Nostalgia Critic's review of Devil. When the Critic bashes the movie's Twist Ending, M. Night Shyamalan (not the real one, of course) challenges the Critic to come up with a better twist. He then decides on the Devil being the religious security guard (aka "Crazy Toast Guy") who was monitoring the elevator the entire time, and Shyamalan admits that that actually is a good twist. | |
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A common reaction for subjects of Retsupurae, going so far as to call out Slowbeef and Diabetus asking to see them make a better Let's Play. Even though they mostly keep their own LPs away from YouTube, they're Something Awful regulars with several finished, quality LPs — in fact, Slowbeef himself is the one who started Let's Play in the first place. | |
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Linus criticized Lucy for making messy o's in Tic-Tac-Toe, and when Lucy dares him to do better, he makes an ornate O with precise calligraphy that a professional could not do better. | |
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This is the go-to tactic of choice for defenders of Funky Winkerbean. Most, if not all of them state verbatim that only another nationally syndicated cartoonist has a right to criticize Tom Batiuk. And the times a pro cartoonist has criticized him, they state that they're just jealous/too inexperienced/must hate cancer victims. | |
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The Batman Strikes: In Issue 35, late-night show host Corwin O'Dooley dares a heckler to host his show. Unfortunately, the heckler is The Joker. | |
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Avenged Sevenfold's song, "Critical Acclaim" is more or less this trope as an angry, ridiculous screed against people who criticize The USA because "they've never contributed a fucking thing to the country they love to criticize." Apparently, the songwriter believes that criticizing the country or the war, etc. (not the soldiers) when you've never served your country insults those who have. What's even funnier is that the song calls these critics self-righteous and hypocritical without a hint of irony. Also, keep in mind that M. Shadows said that A7x wasn't going to force its religious or political views on anyone. |
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In Bleach: Fan Works, Jolene Meyers gets quite annoyed with Oshikko's flaming her work, and says "If my fanfic is so bad, why don't you write your own version, huh?" He takes her up on her offer, warning her that she may come to regret challenging him. | |
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In The Beatles cartoon "I Feel Fine," Paul is "meh" over Hollywood, saying that everything there is phony. This chafes screen star Dick Dashing, who then challenges Paul to do the same stunts he does. | |
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This trope is the basis for the How It Should Have Ended series. | |
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Chapter 58 of Kaguya-sama: Love Is War has Kaguya challenge Hayasaka to seduce Shirogane after the latter calls her out for her lack of progress. She does a lot better than Kaguya ever had at that point, only failing because Shirogane has Single-Target Sexuality and Kaguya only gave her one day. | |
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In an episode of Gilligan's Island, it's how the female cast members formed their musical group, the Honeybees. To impress the visiting Beatles knockoffs, the Mosquitoes, the men had tried to form their own group. Ginger was critical of their dismal performance. Gilligan quoted his grandmother's sage advice, "Never criticize unless you can do better yourself." Ginger was inspired at this and ran off to collaborate with Mary Ann and Mrs. Howell. | |
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The trailer for the Xbox Live Arcade/Windows game BattleBlock Theater invokes this trope when mentioning the level builder feature, with the voiceover saying "Hey, check this out! If you hate our stuff, shut up and do better!" | |
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The Colbert Report: During the December 8, 2014 episode, Stephen started the show by chastising President Obama's performance, saying "No politician can do my job," but before he transitioned into "The Word" segment, President Obama suddenly came on set and said that he'd try to do Stephen's job, so he does his own version of "The Word", titled "The Decree", which was incredibly funny. | |
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In response to criticism for his bombastic overture "Wellington's Victory", Ludwig van Beethoven retorted, "What I shit is better than anything you could ever think up!" Considering he was Beethoven, that's probably justified. | |
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In Season 10 of Red vs. Blue, when Carolina demands to be implanted with a new AI, after giving the one originally assigned to her to Maine, the Director lets her choose which one she'll obtain (and therefore take from one of her teammates) under this basis. | |
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Recess: The plot of "Chez Vince" is kickstarted when the lunch ladies hear Vince complaining about the Foul Cafeteria Food and challenge him to do better. Vince goes with them into the kitchen, improvises with ingredients, and reveals himself to be a Supreme Chef. | |
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Batman: The Animated Series; "Harley And Ivy": Harley Quinn halfheartedly defends herself against The Joker when he blames her for blowing their last caper (ignoring his own mistakes). Joker says: Maybe I should let YOU run the gang! Maybe YOU are a better crook that the rest of us put together!. He then expels Harley, and Harley decides to do exactly that with Poison Ivy. Having expected Harley to come crawling back after a day or so and now struggling to function even in terms of basic living without her, Joker naturally doesn't take this all great. | |
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The Dreamstone: In the episode "Urpgor's Great Adventure", Urpgor complains about Blob's hazardous test run with his new invention. Zordrak coyly suggests he is far more capable and volunteers him. Urpgor smugly agrees to this, gloating he will succeed in stealing the stone with half the time and fuss that Blob fails. Guess how things turn out... One episode has Blob and his troops stranded on the Isle of Catastrophe (due to a sabotage by Urpgor). He decides he will emulate Urpgor's inventing knack and makes vehicles to escape. They all fail or spontaneously explode. |
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Mystery Science Theater 3000: After forcing Joel and the bots to suffer through The Castle of Fu Manchu, Dr. Forrester awaits them to acknowledge he finally found a movie bad enough to unleash on the world. Joel snaps and tells Dr. Forrester off on what a sad little man he is, telling him to try sitting through these movies and make up his own jokes. Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank decide to do just that, only to fail miserably. | |
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In A League of Their Own, after Jimmy Dugan stumbles in and out of the locker room prior to the Rockford Peaches' first game, the team realizes they don't have a lineup, and probably aren't going to get one from him. Dottie Hinson ends up being the one tasked to make one. | |
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U.S. Acres: Booker showed Sheldon a hand trick and Sheldon said it's an old one. Booker then dared Sheldon to do it and somehow, Booker did see Sheldon doing it despite Sheldon living inside a shell. Roy says he can swim better than Orson can. When asked to show it, he says he doesn't want to get his feathers wet so Lanolin takes them away so he can swim without getting them wet. |
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Keith Moon got to be the drummer for The Who like this. One night, Keith came up to them between sets and said he could play better than their drummer. They invited him to prove it - and he did, smashing the drummer's drum kit to pieces in the process. | |
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In Stripes, Sgt. Hulka is pushing his men rather hard on a training exercise involving climbing a rope; one of them dares him to try it. Hulka actually does and does do it better; unfortunately, this is when Captain Stillman orders a mortar crew to fire without setting target coordinates, and a stray one injuring Hulka. | |
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Happens early on in The Warriors. The game opens in 1978 when several of the gang members we remember from The Movie quit the Destroyers (a rival gang on the other side of Coney Island) because they don't like the way the gang boss, Virgil, has been treating them. Virgil's attitude is, basically, good riddance: 'They couldn't cut it with us, so now they're gonna try to take over. Well, I say let 'em try!' This boast eventually backfires spectacularly when, later in the game, the Destroyers are totally wiped out and Virgil himself is executed by Molotov cocktail while screaming hysterically. | |
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In the Dressrosa Arc in One Piece, Cavendish responds to the audience's jeers toward Rebecca prior to their colosseum match by telling them to get in the arena, saying they have no right to mock her. At the same time, she risks her life and they do not. | |
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Father Nolan in Children of the Corn III: Urban Harvest invites Eli to preach after he displays unruly behavior during his sermon to embarrass him into behaving, but he instead takes up on the offer and starts sowing the seeds that will eventually turn some of the local children and teens to his side. | |
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Battlezone (1980): Enforced. The volcano within the game originally was not supposed to explode, but Ed Rotberg (the creator of the game) was pestered by his coworker Owen Rubin to make it active. After Ed suggested rhetorically that Owen write the code himself, it was found lying on Ed's desk the next day. | |
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James May's Man Lab: James receives a viewer's letter asking him to replay a clip from the previous series where he can't stop laughing at researcher Charlie's unintentionally cubist portrait of Cassandra. After doing so, the letter goes on: | |
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Bruce Almighty, where God basically tells Bruce this; he's been complaining about how He does things, and so he's going to get a chance to put his money where his mouth is. God then gives Bruce all of His powers for a week; naturally, Bruce makes a mess of things because he's a flawed human being—funnily enough, it is also heavily implied that the extent of Bruce's "omnipotence" as bestowed by God only extends as far as the Buffalo, New York area where the film is set, ostensibly to keep Bruce's poor mortal mind sane. | |
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The Touhou Project franchise exists because ZUN didn't like existing shooter games. In a meta example, the fandom also likes doing this with ZUN's art, as he has good designs but poor execution. ZUN himself encourages this, and it's pretty much the main reason Touhou got so popular in the first place. Something along the same lines can be said for the Touhou music as well. While the original scores are in no means at all bad, the fandom is very, very fond of remixing the music and making their own versions of it. It has gotten to the point where, during a Q&A panel, when one person aked ZUN why he hasn't formed a band to play Touhou music live with yet, ZUN said that he doesn't need to do that: His fans do it for him. |
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In one Dilbert episode, an unnamed security guard (voiced by Wayne Knight) won't cut Dilbert any slack on the rules, which leads to Dilbert insulting his job and an argument over who has it tougher. When the expected challenge is made, Dilbert bets his house that he could be a better security guard than his foe could be an engineer. Things quickly go wrong on Dilbert's watch, and he nearly gets fired; to add insult to injury, the security guard actually excels at being an engineer. Dilbert narrowly avoids losing his house, but the security guard gets a job as an engineer at a better company. After grousing about that, Dilbert badgers a sewer worker for a mistake and winds up cleaning up filth in a tunnel in his stead. When Ratbert swims by, Dilbert criticizes his technique and, well... | |
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The Nostalgia Chick often lampshades that she'll have nowhere near the success of the people she's bitching about, and that's why it's so fun to tear their stuff apart in the first place. | |
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The Swedish show Let's Dance (the Swedish adaptation of Strictly Come Dancing). When a turned-down contestant said this, the show lampshaded it by cutting to a montage, explaining the judges' past experience in the field, showing that they are in fact qualified for the position. | |
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This is how The Deed of Paksenarrion came to be. Elizabeth Moon were tired of all shitty Lawful Stupid paladins she had encountered while playing Dungeons & Dragons and decided to tell a story about what a Paladin should be and act like, and how such a character would fare in a grim dark world. | |
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Peanuts had this as a common gag: a character criticizes another about a piece of artwork and are angrily dared to do better, and they do! Linus criticized Lucy for making messy o's in Tic-Tac-Toe, and when Lucy dares him to do better, he makes an ornate O with precise calligraphy that a professional could not do better. Snoopy laughed at Sally struggling with a drawing compass, and when dared to do better, he proves so good that instead of a circle, he makes a perfect square instead. |
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Game of Thrones: Tywin Lannister at one point criticizes his daughter, Cersei, for not stopping her son, King Joffrey, from becoming a complete wild card and run wild all over the city. In response, she challenges him to do a better job, and he simply responds, "I will." True to form, he does exactly that. | |
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Good Eats is another example of someone taking this trope to heart. Alton Brown was dissatisfied with the quality of cooking shows on television since they merely tell the viewer what to do but not why. His wife effectively replied, "Then why not make your own cooking show?" And of course, he did. | |
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Section 67 of the Doctrine and Covenants makes a similar challenge. | |
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Sherlock Holmes: Holmes' criticism of Watson's written records of his adventures is almost a running gag in Doyle's works. Eventually, Watson basically told him the name of this trope enough times so that Holmes grabbed a pen and wrote "The Blanched Soldier" (where he acknowledged that it wasn't as easy as it looked at first sight). Applied to Holmes' job in "The Disappearance of Lady Frances Carfax": |
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The My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic/Twilight Fusion Fic Gloaming came about because the author had read Twilight out of Bile Fascination, been disappointed in the storytelling, and pulled this on himself. It follows the same general plotline of Twilight and keeps the basic characterizations, reworked to be the way he would've written it. | |
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When the Mythbusters declared the myth about Archimedes destroying ships by reflecting sunlight busted, many complained that the results weren't satisfying enough, and were biased by the conditions and poor execution. Their response was inviting anyone who felt they could do better to try setting fire to a ship in a special episode. They all failed. | |
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During Ring of Honor's Arena Warfare, which was planned before their cooperation with CZW became a feud, Alex Shelley made this challenge to a fan after the CZW side started chanting "boring" during his match with Bryan Danielson. | |
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A brief arc in WWE RAW involved Vince McMahon attempting to get back at his Arch-Enemy Bret Hart by...promoting him to General Manager. After their iconic feud over Vince "screwing" Hart under his original tenure at WWE, Vince wanted to show Hart just what it meant to be the Bad Boss and have to make pivotal decisions and sacrifices not everyone will like. | |
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In one week of Pearls Before Swine strips, a little girl named Libby criticizes Stephan Pastis' drawing skills, and he challenges her to do better. She does. (As a special bonus, her drawings are actually the work of Calvin and Hobbes creator Bill Watterson, who agreed to collaborate with Pastis for the week.) | |
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In Ramona Quimby, Age 8: After Ramona and Beezus refuse to eat their cows' tongue, their parents have them cook the next night's dinner. It turns out surprisingly well, and they learn to appreciate their mother's hard work in the kitchen. | |
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Criticisms of The Twilight Saga will often be met with, 'well, let's see you write a bestseller.' It turns out that they won't actually care if you've written anything or not, as when an author who met this criterion criticized Twilight, fans were quick to declare that he was just jealous because he hadn't written anything popular lately. Even though he has. | |
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The M.U.G.E.N fandom's got this bad. In response to criticism of a character on any M.U.G.E.N forum (usually criticism by Wild Tengu), at least one noob is likely to say 'You can't judge, you haven't made a character!' It would be a good argument, if not for the fact that if someone who's had no character-creation experience can note when something's very wrong, then the argument becomes redundant. | |
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LadyBugOut: When her classmates start debating about how Alya handled the Oblivio incident (namely, posting a picture of Ladybug and Chat Noir kissing while under the akuma's memory-erasing powers and not revealing the context), Alya snaps at Chloe that she doesn't have the right to criticize her work when she doesn't have a blog of her own. Her insistence that she didn't do anything wrong spurs Marinette to start her own blog as Ladybug, the titular LadyBugOut. First order of business: setting the record straight, with her fact-checking ruining the reptuation of Alya's Ladyblog. | |
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In the South Park episode, "Dances With Smurfs", Cartman is appointed to the morning announcements, and relentlessly and mercilessly picks apart everything Wendy does (and doesn't do) as a class president. As her way of asking Cartman if he could do better, Wendy simply resigned from her spot and let Cartman take over. This actually got Cartman to shut up, as he was prepared to only criticise, not act. One morning of being class president (which as it turns out has no power over the school) and being heckled the same way by the replacement announcer is enough to break him. | |
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Tanjiro & Kagome: A Taishō-Heisei Friendship: When Tengen applies his terrible cosmetic job to Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Inosuke as part of their disguise to infiltrate the houses he sent his wives to investigate, Kagome is not amused when she sees the results and calls him out for thinking this will actually fool anyone. When Tengen asks if she can do any better, Kagome takes him up on the challenge and reapplies the boys' makeup, giving them all proper and convincing disguises. | |
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Also note that Linkara has written his own comic. Of course, to some, this doesn't help. | |
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A variant where this was invoked by the critic himself: after the infamously horrible Doom WAD called "Doom: Rampage Edition" (involving the player taking on a role of a Baron of Hell) was released, one of the players commented that "he could pull a better wad out of [his] ass". A week later, he did indeed release a WAD based on the same concept, which gathered warm reviews. To rub it in: the name of this WAD? "A Better WAD I Pulled Out Of My Ass". | |
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A downplayed example; Chris Stuckmann gave a middle-of-the-line score Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and then had a go at rewriting the final confrontation between the titular characters in 20 minutes, posting the end result to his Twitter. Although he later stated that he saw his rewrite as more of a technical exercise than a dead-serious improvement of the dialogue, the rewrite was nevertheless widely derided online, with the dialogue spawning memes of its own. | |
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Used during an episode of Family Guy. Mere minutes from his horrible television pilot going on the air, Brian notices the cast of Two and a Half Men standing there. Bonus points for actually getting Sheen to do the voice. "Trading Places" had Meg and Chris claim they could be better parents than Peter and Lois, who gladly oblige. Then it turns out that the kids are right: Meg does the chores in a fraction of the time Lois takes and prepares a delicious dinner, while Chris actually earns a promotion from Peter's job at the brewery near-immediately, to the point where Peter's boss pretty much refuses to let them switch back because Chris is such a better worker than Peter ever was. Meanwhile, Peter and Lois completely screw up in high school and are even less popular than Chris and Meg usually are. Only when the stress of his workload causes Chris to have a heart attack does everything goes back to normal. One early episode has a drunken Peter heckle an on-stage comedian. The performer finally loses it and goads Peter onto the stage to see if he can do his job. He actually gets laughs from the audience, but more due to a spilled beer bottle making it seem like he wet his pants. |
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In the Doug episode "Doug's Big News," all the students in Mrs. Wingo's class finds Mr. Bone's news show to be dull and boring, so he challenges them to make a better one. Mrs. Wingo thinks that a wonderful idea and the class rises to the challenge. | |
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Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation gets this a lot, despite that he actually has programmed some freeware PC games before his rambling gaming reviews gained him the following he has today. Having also done some minor webcomics criticism, Yahtzee may also have received these from webcomic supporters. Yahtzee, however, always remarks that his old webcomic efforts were hardly any better than the ones he openly criticizes and is very aware of the hypocrisy in pointing out other webcomics' flaws. And at least Yahtzee stopped making his horrible webcomic. |
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It's almost a given that during any American Idol audition phase, at least one particularly awful auditioner will say this to the judges, which is funny when you consider that Paula Abdul is a Grammy Award-winnernote and, per Simon Cowell, is a "brilliant spotter of talent" and that Randy Jackson and Simon Cowell have both won awards for managing music. In other words, those two know more about what makes popular music than popular musicians do. | |
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Sérgio Peixoto Silva, the editor-in-chief of the infamous Brazilian comic adaptation of Mega Man, Novas Aventuras de Megaman, bashed fans that asked the people behind the comic to write stories that are more in line with the video games that the comic was based on, telling them to write their own comics instead of throwing accusations. | |
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The most famous 'let's just see you do better' example was the I Love Lucy episode "Job Switching." After Ricky and Lucy get into an argument about their roles — Ricky being the breadwinner and Lucy doing the housework — and drawing the Mertzes into matters (with Fred and Ethel, predictably, taking sides), both sides say, in essence, 'Let's see you do better.' There's plenty of comedy with Ricky and Fred's efforts to cook dinner (arroz con pollo) and ruining their shirts in a poor attempt at ironing ... but the real fun comes as Lucy and Ethel somehow get jobs at a candy factory. A hilarious fight in the candy dipping department, instigated when Lucy tries to swat away a fly and accidentally hits a coworker, is nothing compared to the infamous conveyer belt scene, where a seemingly simple task of gathering chocolate kisses and placing them in a box quickly proves to be overwhelming when the fast pace of the belt (and the supervisor's stern threat that any candy that falls off the belt will mean they're fired) makes it impossible to keep up, although they surely try. In the end, both sides — the guys admitting they damaged the apartment, the gals getting mercilessly fired from the candy factory — concede defeat. | |
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Something of a subversion when You Can't Do That on Television was on the air, a boy named Adam Reid complained about the acting of the kids on the show. The producers let him audition and he ended up being one of the show's standouts. | |
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After Elly of The Word Weary criticizes a woman's parenting skills, the woman responds with a variation on this. | |
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Inverted, during an episode of History of Power Rangers, Linkara notes that Lord Zedd's evil Rangers were just the Puttys painted in the Rangers' colors, and he could make a better costume than that. A few months later, he unveiled a White Zeo Ranger suit in the style of his normal Linkara attire. | |
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Kamon from FLCL tells a story about how he was put in charge of taking care of the class' pet hamster in elementary school. When the hamster died, the entire class got angry at him, but he defended himself by saying that none of them had ever taken care of a hamster in their lives. | |
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Gravity Falls: In "Boss Mabel", Mabel calls out Stan for the strict way he runs the Mystery Shack, with The Last Straw being the reveal that he'd turned down Soos's seemingly good idea of having him play a mascot for the Shack called Questiony The Question Mark (Mabel has a particular thing about people following their dreams at any cost). The two make a bet that Mabel take over for a few days while Stan goes on vacation, and whoever makes the most money will be the boss until the end of the summer, with Mabel immediately instituting several changes, such as letting Wendy have friends around during work hours, letting Dipper find real supernatural creatures for the Shack exhibit instead of Stan's fake ones, and giving Soos his mascot dream job. While she does have some initial success running the Shack, things soon start to fall apart: Being The Slacker, Wendy is more interested in goofing off than doing her job, and without Stan's discipline, she barely lifts a finger, with the presence of her friends making things worse, forcing Mabel to do Wendy's job as well as her own. Much of the real supernatural weirdness of Gravity Falls is incredibly dangerous, and the monstrous Gremoblin Dipper caught for the exhibit ended up sending two customers to the hospital thanks to it's ability to make people see their own nightmares. When it gets out of it's cage later on, it causes so much damage to the Shack it costs Mabel almost all of her profits. Soos is too socially awkward to make an effective mascot, and the costume being very revealing doesn't help. Mabel's pro-customer service does charm the customers and gets a lot of good PR, but it doesn't increase profits much, and means that she has to give out refunds once things start going wrong. In the end, Mabel has to resort to using Stan's Mean Boss management just to restore the status quo, and only barely win the bet because Stan lost all the winnings from the gameshow he was on due to not knowing basic courtesy phrases. And even then, everyone unanomously wants Stan back in charge, seeing how everything fell apart without him. |
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During a question-and-answer session, a professional competitive tournament player by the tag of "juice.Doom" of the Super Smash Bros. series decided to rather snarkily (but jokingly) inform Masahiro Sakurai that "many fans" felt there were "balance issues" with the games. He then challenged Sakurai to a match where if he won he could help balance the newest one. Sakurai's response (via translator) was, "Have you ever made a game before?" | |
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