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Prior to the days of DNA testing,note Blood group testing, a somewhat unreliable early form of paternity testing, was developed in the 1930s, while higher quality DNA paternity tests with accuracy rates over 99% have only been around since the late 1980s. it was basically impossible to verify a child's paternity. The only evidence: The word of the mother, who might be lying, or might not know herself (the subtrope Who's Your Daddy?). Stark differences or great similarities in skin, hair and eye colour (like a Chocolate Baby) or other forms of Uncanny Family Resemblance. All this trouble is embedded in such proverbs as, "It's a wise child who knows his own father," and "Mama's baby, Papa's maybe." This can be a source of tension and drama even when the mother is honest because neither the child nor the father can prove it. The Green-Eyed Monster is very prone to doubt. It can also complicate the Heir Club for Men, as the man usually wants his heir to be his biological descendant. If the mother refuses to tell, only men who have actually slept with her can even guess, and speculation tends to run wild. If she lies, the man has no way to prove his innocence unless he has an alibi that would preclude his having slept with her (an alibi that would have to cover at least a couple weeks, given uncertainty about exactly when conception occurred) — merely knowing he had not is not proof — and he may even be forced into a Shotgun Wedding. If the man believes himself to be sterile, and the Law of Inverse Fertility works, expect the resulting arguments to be ugly. Doubling up this is the fact that the legal rule is often Mater semper certa est, pater est, quem nuptiae demonstrant: "The mother is certain, and the father is him to whom marriage points." A man who suspects his wife's child is not his has no legal recourse; he is the legal father. However, this is usually a rebuttable presumption now (i.e. this can be proven otherwise with DNA evidence). A powerful force behind My Girl Is Not a Slut and Nature Adores a Virgin in Real Life, because exclusive sexual access to "his" woman used to be the only way for a man to be sure that her children were also his. To what extent there is reason to doubt in real life is not known; numerous urban legends claim a high percentage of babies are attributed to false fathers, but the location of the studies determining this tends to migrate a lot. Why Luke, I Might Be Your Father is a trope. Surprise Incest is frequently caused by it—and sometimes this trope is the escape route as well. Cheating with the Milkman is a frequent cause of this. A trope limited to historical settings (1980s or earlier) nowadays, as Daddy DNA Test is the Trope Breaker. (Unless the potential father is one of a pair of identical twins or clones, or testing is impossible for some reason.) Compare Not Actually His Child. Examples |
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West of Zanzibar: Lon Chaney plays a man whose wife was going to run away with another man and then died shortly after childbirth. He raises his "daughter" to be an alcoholic prostitute. Then the other man shows up, and tells him that his wife never went away with him—the child is his own. | |
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The Empress: Franz is definitely Sophie's son, but the possibility that he is not the son of the Archduke Karl, from whose lineage his throne derives, but instead of the Prince of Vasa, is raised. | |
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In Watchmen, Laurie is aware that her mother's husband is not her father, but her guess at the actual father is off, and when she finally realizes the truth, she's shocked and horrified. | |
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Also comes up in the unofficial expansion mod Stardew Valley Expanded if you have mature events enabled. A questline here outright confirms that Abigail is the Wizard's biological daughter, conceived during a period when Pierre and Caroline were having relationship problems. The timing was such that Caroline was never sure who Abigail's father was, until Abigail starts displaying some of the Wizard's abilities and affinities with magic. | |
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In The Barrakee Mystery, the first Bony novel, the Aboriginal girl Nellie Wanting is the daughter of a woman who has been in relationships with several different men. Nellie's mother claims her father was an Aboriginal man known as "King Henry", but some other members of the tribe say they doubt it. It's never established who Nellie's father was, but it can be assumed that it wasn't King Henry because the author pairs her romantically with a man who turns out to be one of King Henry's sons. | |
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The Jungle has, as part of Jurgis's Trauma Conga Line, his wife Ona tells him that she was raped by a businessman and she's been going to him for conjugal visits to ensure financial security for the family and also that she is pregnant. From what is narrated of their miserable bedtime experiences, they are most likely not having sex and if they are, then it is not very often. Therefore, there is the chance that Ona got pregnant from her visits with Connor. However, Jurgis never makes any comment on the paternity of the child. | |
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Backstreet Dreams: Lucy slept with other men right up until she married Dean. After Shane is diagnosed with autism, Dean wonders if he's even his. | |
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The Merman's Children: The merfolk aren't monogamous, so most of them have no idea who their fathers are. Vanimen's four children are the only exceptions, because their mother Agnete was a human who followed Christian sexual mores even while married to a merman. | |
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All American: A recurring question in the second season is the paternity of Spencer's younger brother, Dillon, since Grace had an affair with Billy when the conception happened. Grace, who doesn't know herself, offers a paternity test, but Corey declines, saying that he considers Dillon his own, biological or not. Shortly before his death, however, Corey does a paternity test confirming that Dillon is indeed his. | |
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Lost Love in Times: Yuan Ling is actually the son of Yuan An's older brother. His mother, Consort Lian, lied about his paternity. (With some help from Tao Yao and Xi Xie, who magically delayed the baby's birth.) Yuan An only learns the truth when Yuan Ling is an adult. Yuan Ling himself doesn't find out for another two years. The resulting drama is... ugly. | |
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In The Brothers' War, Urza's wife Kayla has a one-night stand with his brother Mishra, with Urza catching them in the act. Nine months later she gives birth to a boy named Harbin, and while Harbin is raised as if he were Urza's son, nobody—least of all Urza himself—is certain whether Harbin is really his son, or Mishra's. | |
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Subverted in The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. On "Mama's Baby, Carlton's Maybe", Carlton's ex-girlfriend Cindy comes back into his life with a baby. Carlton adamantly claims the child is his while his parents desperately try to persuade him to get a paternity test to prove he's not, so he won't have to raise a family so soon in life, but it turns out he knew all along the child wasn't his because he never had sex with anyone. It seems he just couldn't bear the thought of her having slept with someone other than him since he'd never truly let her go, nor could he entertain the idea of exonerating himself by admitting he was a virgin. For her part, Cindy only sought him out after having her baby because her parents kicked her out for doing so; they only intervene and take her back when she tells them she's going to marry Carlton at a rapid-service chapel. | |
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Jacky invokes this trope in Under The Jolly Roger. She knows she's shortly to be deflowered by Captain Scrogg, so she decides to sleep with Robin. Her reasoning is that if she becomes pregnant, whoever the father is, she'll be able to tell herself it's Robin's baby and be able to love it the way it deserves. It doesn't work, but neither does Captain Scrogg's Attempted Rape, so it all works out. | |
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In Much Ado About Nothing, Don Pedro asks Leonato if he is Hero's father and his response is "Her mother hath many times told me so." It's clearly meant to be a joke, though. (His wife may actually be standing right there as he says it, though she's a ghost character.) However, men's fear of being cuckolded is played rather seriously as a theme throughout the play. Also, right after this line, Benedick asks if Leonato was in doubt when he asked his wife, and Leonato responds with "Signior Benedick, no, for you were but a child then." |
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In Brideshead Revisited, Charles's wife has an affair and conceives a child. While it is not clear who the baby's father is, Charles's insistence on referring to it as his wife's baby suggests that he does not think it is his. | |
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In one path of School Days, Sekai turns up pregnant and insists that Makoto is the father. The player gets the choice on how to react to this, but unusually for this series, Makoto is perfectly justified in reacting badly, because the timing of the situation makes it very likely that Sekai's baby was actually fathered by Taisuke; he ends up telling Sekai that he'll only get back together with her if she has an abortion. Less unusually for this series, Sekai will respond by either murdering Makoto or murdering Kotonoha, depending on whether or not you brought up your suspicions about Taisuke being the father. | |
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Borgia: Lucrezia is sleeping with two men around the time her second son is conceived. Funnily enough, they're both named Alfonso. She is never sure which Alfonso fathered the boy. | |
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House: An episode plays with and lamp-shades the gender double-standard of the trope when the title character tries to do a Daddy DNA Test on Taub's kids (from simultaneous pregnancies with the two woman he had been seeing). After a moment of weakness, Taub shreds the results without looking. Gregory House himself suspected that his legal father, a strict military man, wasn't his biological dad, telling him as much out of spite for the corporal punishments that were meted out to him during his childhood. A DNA test conducted after his father's death confirmed this. However, the family friend whom House suspected to have fathered him (and did have an affair with his mother) turns out to be genetically unrelated as well. He never considers testing his mother. |
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The Bible: The Complete Word of God (abridged) makes something of a Running Gag about Mary and Joseph. At one point, they get a letter from Jesus which is addressed, "Dear Mother and Joseph." | |
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Discussed multiple times in The Good Soldier Å vejk by Jaroslav Hasek, both for humans and dogs (Svejk was selling dogs before he got drafted). Since it's set in 1914, there are no reliable tests, and some characters (Svejk included) believe that a child can have multiple fathers. The funniest example is Svejk's story about a prostitute, who gave birth to non-identical twins with a rather unusual set of birthmarks, eye and hair colours and minor deformities. She sued 16 clients for child support (8 per son) but lost all suits. Svejk comments that she should've picked a single one and hired witnesses to confirm him frequently visiting her. | |
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A major plot point in Assassin's Pride. There were enough witnesses that everyone is fairly confident that the female lead, Melida, wasn't Switched at Birth, but they are far less confident that she is Duke Felgus's daughter since most people believe a Muggle Born of Mages to be impossible for a ducal house. It is widely agreed that it is far more likely that her wealthy but commoner mother had an affair with another commoner. Since Melida's mother, Melnoa, passed away some time ago, she is no longer available for anyone to ask, leaving Melida's family stuck investigating all of Melnoa's male friends and deciding whether or not to give up and kill Melida. | |
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The Mother. The title character was the liaison between two criminals and the lover of both. She decides to turn informant after she becomes pregnant, but despite being asked several times in the course of the movie she refuses to reveal which man was the father and makes it clear that she doesn't care either. | |
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On Poldark, Elizabeth gives birth to a child that could either be her husband George's or the result of her night with Ross. | |
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The female shogun Yoshimune from Ōoku: The Inner Chambers invokes this trope in pondering what a patriarchal Japan would look like. She thinks that matriarchy has a distinct advantage because of it. This may influence Yoshimune's later choices in how to handle her Royal Harem: she spends equal time each week with her primary male concubines, interspersed with one-night-stands with servants. Thus, when she becomes pregnant, none of them can argue when she names the most malleable candidate as the father. | |
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In I Shall Wear Midnight, Tiffany's father attributes the abusive Mr. Petty's anger towards Amber (without excusing it) to this trope. | |
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Naruto: Inverted in Gaiden sequel mini-series with Sasuke's daughter, Sarada. She greatly resembles her father plus glasses, but when she asks her mother Sakura (who doesn't wear glasses) if her father wore glasses too (he doesn't), she acts very evasively of the question. Sarada then questions her mother of even being married to her father; logically, Sakura doesn't take it very well and has a rage-fit, allowing Sarada to discover a picture of Karin (who does wear glasses) with her father. And then it turns out that Sakura is Sarada's biological mother; the supposed "evidence" saying that Karin was the girl's mom was actually badly-handled by Karin's friend Suigetsu since Karin was Sakura's midwife and some DNA of both women got mixed up. The evidence was actually Sarada's dried umbilical cord, which Sakura gave to Karin as a gift for delivering Sarada. Suigetsu mistakenly THOUGHT the umbilical cord came from Karin. The cord's DNA matched with Sarada's because it came from Sakura. Played for Laughs with Chocho Akimichi, who, like Sarada, believes that Choji isn't her father, despite inheriting his girth and jutsu, and being otherwise a perfect mixture of her parents. Both Naruto and Sarada are understandably confused. |
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Stardew Valley: It's really heavily implied that Abigail is really the daughter of the Wizard who lives at the edge of town and not Pierre. Think about it: Pierre has very little common with her, the Wizard has a lot in common with her (and suspects he has an illegitimate daughter somewhere), and Caroline used to wander the area where the Wizard lives until Pierre stopped her from going there. Also comes up in the unofficial expansion mod Stardew Valley Expanded if you have mature events enabled. A questline here outright confirms that Abigail is the Wizard's biological daughter, conceived during a period when Pierre and Caroline were having relationship problems. The timing was such that Caroline was never sure who Abigail's father was, until Abigail starts displaying some of the Wizard's abilities and affinities with magic. |
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Lovecraft Country: It turns out that Atticus might be George's son biologically, since he had an affair with his mother. His father admits he's not sure. Since this is the 1950s, there's no medical means to resolve it. | |
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Lovecraft Country | hasFeature |
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Played with in The Pulse, when Danny Rand (Iron Fist) accuses Jessica Jones of lying about being pregnant with Luke Cage's baby. Misty Knight quickly puts him in his place. | |
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Pokémon Live! has implications that Ash's biological father might be Delia's ex-boyfriend Giovanni of Team Rocket, not the man she's married to. | |
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In Jane Eyre, Mr. Rochester's ward is the daughter of his one-time mistress, who sent him the baby after he had dismissed her when he learned she was unfaithful to him. She said the child was his; he assures Jane he has his doubts. Jane herself doesn't see a drop of family resemblance between them. | |
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Mars (1996): Rei and Sei are legally Takayuki's children, but everyone except the kids themselves knows they're actually his brother Akihiko's. | |
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The titular Kevin Spencer could be the child of his father Percy, or Percy's brother Lester. The boy's mother, Anastasia, flipped a coin on the prospect and Percy "won". Percy, who is all too happy to escape his family, eagerly wants Kevin to get tested... But Kevin, preferring his life with Percy over a potential life with Lester, threatens Percy and the issue is dropped entirely. | |
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Kevin Spencer | hasFeature |
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In The Tempest, Prospero tweaks the edge of this trope, explaining the past to Miranda: | |
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The Tempest (Theatre) | hasFeature |
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In Giovanni Guareschi's Little World of Don Camillo, Don Camillo asks Peppeno's wife if her baby is her husband's — and points out that their party approves of free love when they are indignant. | |
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Don Camillo | hasFeature |
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In The Merchant of Venice, Lancelot argues that Jessica should hope not to be Shylock's daughter. | |
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Otakebi: Shoma's father demanded a DNA test as a joke, and he kept joking that Shoma isn't his son, much to his anguish. This led to the husband and wife divorcing since he refused to apologize. | |
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Otakebi (Web Animation) | hasFeature |
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Dickinson: Austin states he's unsure whether Sue's baby was sired by him or not, due to her affair. | |
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Dickinson | hasFeature |
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In King of the Hill everybody knows that Dale's son, Joseph, is really John Redcorn's child — everyone except Dale and Joseph (and Peggy for an embarrassingly long time), that is. Eventually John Redcorn wants to reveal the truth to Joseph, but Nancy (the boy's mother) refuses to allow it based on the strong bond Joseph and Dale share. As she puts it "Joseph already has the only father he'll ever need". Indeed, Dale and Joseph even discover that Dale was out of town the night Joseph must have been conceived but convince themselves that she was simply abducted by aliens and impregnated with her husband's genetic seed (for some reason) that night. Another episode involved a former lover of John Redcorn's (a single mother with a darker-skinned daughter about Joseph's age) moving into the neighborhood and beginning to date resident loser, Bill. While Joseph and the daughter develop crushes on each other, Dale discovers via covert DNA testing that they are half-siblings. After convincing himself this means he is the father (via alien abduction and impregnation once again), he reveals the test and results to his wife, who confronts John Redcorn over this infidelity during their affair. Fortunately, Redcorn ends up taking some responsibility and the mother and daughter end up moving in with him, separating the girl and Joseph (without alerting them to their blood relation) before anything actually incestuous occurs. |
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Discworld: In I Shall Wear Midnight, Tiffany's father attributes the abusive Mr. Petty's anger towards Amber (without excusing it) to this trope. In Wyrd Sisters, it's revealed at the end that the Fool is Tomjon's half-brother, and when Tomjon rejects the crown, he is made king. It is then further revealed that their shared father is not the late king, but the late fool. Probably. |
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Discworld | hasFeature |
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One episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine has Jake and Terry questioning a suspect in a blackmail case, whose motive is that each of the two victims had slept with his wife. While the suspect turned out to be innocent (and had in fact been completely unaware of his wife's infidelity), after extricating themselves from the situation Jake and Terry uncomfortably note that the couple's young son looked very similar to one of the victims. | |
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The White Queen: King Edward IV may be illegitimate if he was born from his mother Duchess Cecily's affair with an archer instead of her husband Richard of York. Edward himself isn't certain of his paternity: |
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In Yume no Shizuku, Kin no Torikago, Hurrem frequently sleeps with Suleiman as his concubine, but ends up sleeping with Ibrahim once. When the news of her pregnancy becomes known, Hurrem and Ibrahim separately wonder if the baby's father is Ibrahim or Suleiman. Nothing is stated outright, though Ibrahim's worry remains for a long time. | |
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In The Odyssey, Telemachus wonders about this—a doubt that no one else expresses—because he wonders if he is a worthy son of such a father. | |
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The Odyssey | hasFeature |
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In A Day of Fallen Night, the prequel to The Priory of the Orange Tree, Glorian Berethnet takes advantage of her line's Strong Family Resemblance (for mystical reasons, the Berethnet daughters, and they're always daughters, are nearly identical to their mothers) to avoid sleeping with the seventy-year-old man that she has to marry for political reasons. As soon as she comes of age, she gets pregnant by a friend of hers, knowing that nobody will be able to tell. Her husband is fully on board with this plan (having no desire to sleep with a girl young enough to be his granddaughter) and pleased she's already taken care of it—he just asks that she not make it obvious. | |
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A Day of Fallen Night | hasFeature |
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A Wedding (1978): Buffy claims that she's pregnant and Dino is the father, but it turns out that she slept with almost everyone at the Military School, so Dino probably isn't the father. | |
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A Wedding (1978) | hasFeature |
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Robin: After asking Oracle for advice about Stephanie's pregnancy, Robin quickly denies his paternity is even possible — "Not guilty. Not even a suspect." Downplayed in that Oracle accepts his word for it. | |
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Robin (1993) (Comic Book) | hasFeature |
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Scandinavia and the World has Grandpa North delighted that he discovered after his year-long sea trip that his wife is pregnant. When Sweden points out the obvious — that there's no way he could be the biological father because he was at sea — North brushes it off, saying that since it's his wife that's pregnant, legally speaking he gets to claim the child as his. He even called the biological father an idiot for impregnating someone other than his wife, since now he misses out on raising this child. | |
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Scandinavia and the World (Webcomic) | hasFeature |
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Featured in Archmaester Gyldayn's Histories, with Rhaenyra's three eldest sons looking nothing like her (likely gay) first husband. Her detractors, the Greens, claim that the boys were fathered by Rhaenyra's lover Ser Harwin Strong. It's an inversion of the Baratheon/Lannister case, as two people with pale Valyrian coloring supposedly produced three dark-haired, dark-eyed children. | |
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In A Cruel God Reigns, Greg believes his first wife, Lilya, cheated on him and that Matt is not his son. Unfortunately, it is never definitively proven either way. | |
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A Cruel God Reigns (Manga) | hasFeature |
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In The Brown Bear of the Green Glen, the woman John leaves pregnant comes to track him down with magic. | |
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The Brown Bear of the Green Glen | hasFeature |
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In the Temps story "The Oedipus Effect", when Dr. Sweetland is outlining his theory that a man was killed by subconscious telekinesis, part of his evidence that the alleged killer might want the man dead is that the victim's young son just happens to resemble the accused. | |
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Temps | hasFeature |
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On My Name Is Earl, this comes up more than once. The first time is when Joy is pregnant (for the second time, having been visibly pregnant already the night she met and married Earl), and Earl thinks the baby is his... but she has been sleeping with Darnell, and the truth comes out 9 months later. It comes up again with her first child, Dodge. In what turned out to be the final episode, Earl learns that Joy has never told Dodge that Earl is not his biological father, prompting Earl to seek him out on Dodge's behalf. After discovering a likely candidate (a man whose wealth and connections could improve Dodge's life if they were to develop a relationship), Earl has Dodge's DNA tested and finds out that he himself is Dodge's biological father. He just didn't remember Joy, whom he had casual sex with at a costume party when she assumed he was the other man. Earl also finds out that Earl Jr. isn't really Darnell's, as was previously thought. | |
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My Name Is Earl | hasFeature |
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Red Dwarf: In "Dear Dave", Lister receives a letter from an ex-girlfriend telling him that she's pregnant and she's not sure if it's his child or that of a man she works with. Since the letter arrived several million years late it's a moot issue but Lister wants to know if it was his anyway. At the end of the episode he finally finds her next letter and after reading it angrily denounces her as a "slag", indicating that it turned out her baby wasn't his. | |
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Red Dwarf | hasFeature |
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Exalted: Plays into the differences in stigma between illegitimate children in the Scarlet Dynasty; a woman's child is definitely the child of a Dynast, meaning they have to be raised according to the usual (expensive) standards regardless of how their uncertain parentage makes their chance of Exalting less likely (as well as their unknown bloodline making them a poor marriage prospect), while male Dynasts can opt in or out of claiming their bastards (although there are still strong pressures to claim and financially support them from the outset). The concern there is less about who the parents are, and more about management of the Super Breeding Program. | |
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Exalted (Tabletop Game) | hasFeature |
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Victorian anthropologists hypothesized that matrilineal systems were more primitive than patrilineal systems, stemming from before the organization of marriage so that only a child's mother could be known. This has not been borne out by subsequent research—but not before it had been imported in many historical novels, and Two-Fisted Tales. | |
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Two-Fisted Tales | hasFeature |
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In American Dad!, when excessive partying with an old friend of her mother's causes one of Hayley's kidneys to die and the other to begin failing, necessitating a transplant, Francine is forced to reveal to Stan that he may not be Hayley's father. Three days before their marriage and subsequent consummation, Francine cheated on him in a moment of cold-feet-fueled weakness at her bachelorette party largely caused and galvanized by the same hard-partying girlfriend who wrecks her daughter's kidneys twenty-some-odd years later. Unsure of Hayley's actual paternity, Stan demands a test while Francine insists on finding the other man just in case Stan isn't a match for Hayley's transplant, and along this adventure, Stan struggles with the idea that he's raised Hayley and devoted so much time and love to her and yet may not be her father. Eventually, Stan comes to realize that regardless of her paternity, Hayley is still his daughter, and when the results of her paternity test are presented to him he declines to read them. On multiple occasions throughout the episode, when asked by Francine if he can forgive her infidelity, Stan holds her tenderly in contemplative silence before calling her a slut and then remarking off-handedly in bewilderment on his body language, and the mixed signals it must be giving her. |
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American Dad! | hasFeature |
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Everybody Loves Raymond: The possibility of this is briefly Played for Laughs in "The Breakup Tape", when Ray is upset over Debra holding onto various gifts from her past boyfriends, which include a specific picture frame in their bedroom: | |
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Everybody Loves Raymond | hasFeature |
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Averted in TwoKinds; even though every other character is suspicious of the actual parentage of Flora's child, since it's Common Knowledge that humans and keidrans cannot interbreed, Trace himself, the purported father, has absolutely no doubts as to Flora's loyalty to him and the child's subsequent parentage. Even when Flora herself is filled with doubts as to how Trace is actually feeling, Trace himself is shown calmly planning a list of baby names.note There actually is no meta-doubt as to Trace being the father, because the readers, being omniscient, know that the god Neutral has allowed the conception to happen, and indeed is implied to have been blocking such conceptions before now. | |
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In Mamma Mia! the whole plot center's on confusion over which one of three of Donna's former lovers is Sophie's father. | |
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In Titus Andronicus, he opts for the Chocolate Baby solution—the child is obviously Aaron's. | |
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Time Enough for Love, Lazarus Long time-travels to his own childhood, with a story about having been a foundling. The family resemblance, combined with the backstory Lazarus (going under the name "Ted Bronson" at that point) provides, leads his mother Maureen and her father Ira to conclude "Ted" is the illegitimate child of Ira's late brother. Later on, Maureen admits to Lazarus that her father thinks it a good deal more likely that "Ted" is Ira's own son. Lazarus also mentions that over his centuries of life, he's quite certain he raised children who were not his. He says that he was especially careful to be a loving father to such children. Later in the story, Lazarus is involved in a group marriage, where one of the rules sidesteps this: no matter how long you're involved, any babies born in the meantime means you stick around until they're grown. You may not be the father, or mother but you will raise the child. |
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Alex in Saving Hope gets pregnant after sleeping with Charlie and Joel. She chooses to wait until after the baby is born to do a paternity test due to potential danger to the fetus if they tried to test in utero. In the season finale, while Alex is giving birth, Joel dies. Alex and Charlie then rekindle their relationship and raise the baby together, waiting almost a year to resolve the looming paternity issue. By that point, Charlie decides that he will keep loving their son regardless of genetics and they never get the test. | |
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Defied in Wax and Wayne. Steris's marriage contract with Wax stipulates that both of them can have affairs, but she won't have any illicit sex until they've produced an heir. Since Wax is the one who brought the noble title into the marriage, it's important that the heir is really his. | |
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There is a recurring reference in The Priory of the Orange Tree to the rumor that the late Queen Rosarian had an affair with the privateer Gian Harlowe. It's hard to confirm whose daughter Sabran is because Berethnet queens take so strongly after their mothers as to leave no trace of paternal resemblance, and it doesn't affect her rule because Inys is a queendom, but it is there nonetheless. As the book progresses and more about Rosarian's life is revealed, the probability that Sabran is Harlowe's daughter becomes stronger, and he implies a fatherly concern over her late in the novel, but it is never confirmed outright. | |
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I Will Fear No Evil, when protagonist Johann tells a friend that none of his three putative children were his biological offspring (all were blood type O, Johann type AB). He loved his kids anyway. | |
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In A Brother's Price men are so rare that a husband can usually be sure it's his, and the mothers who get pregnant via visiting a "crib" have an interest in truthfully documenting fatherhood, to avoid inbreeding in the future. However, there are rumours about a neighbour family, namely that the younger children were not actually fathered by the frail and feeble father of the family, but the son. | |
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Ascendance of a Bookworm: Inverted in Ferdinand's case. One of the few facts about his mother that the story has cared to deliver is an antagonist claiming that nobody is sure who his mother is, while his father is the deceased former head of household of a high-status family. There is also a chapter from Ferdiand's point of view that mentions that his mother couldn't be relied upon to protect him from his Wicked Stepmother (his father's wife) and another chapter from his cousin's point of view mentions she offered him no protection whatsoever. Things are further complicated by the fact that in the story's setting, it's perfectly normal for nobles to hide a child's existence from the public up to their seventh birthday and that guardianship shenanigans frequently happen during the first seven years of a child's life. It eventually turns out that Ferdinand know who his birth mother is, but the reason he's keeping the secret also makes it less certain that his official father is his biological one, playing the trope straight in the process. | |
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The Get Down: Towards the end of the series it's confirmed, after a lot of hint-dropping beforehand, that Mylene Cruz's "uncle" Francisco is actually her biological father, making her "father" actually her uncle. Her mother, Lydia, was in love with Francisco in their youth but settled for Ramón who was a budding pastor and seemed more stable. Even before the reveal Mylene is a lot closer to Francisco, who is willing to do anything to help build her music career, than Ramón who is a typical Fantasy-Forbidding Father who violently opposes her interest in disco. | |
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Farscape: During the Peacekeeper Wars miniseries Commandant Grayza is heavily pregnant. As Peacekeeper women are genetically modified to hold a pregnancy in stasis for up to seven years it's unclear who the father of her baby actually is. Her superior officer, Chancellor Maryk, acts as if it's his but the timing means it's possible that the child is actually John Crichton's. The show never confirms who the father was. | |
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The Victors Project: Abram Mills (Victor of the Sixty-Ninth Hunger Games), is the son of widowed chocolatier Caramel Mills. While officially Abram is the son of her deceased husband, Ben Cooper (Victor of the Twenty-Ninth Hunger Games) had a drunken one-night stand with her around the time of Abram's conception, meaning there's a possibility Abram is his biological son, even though they look nothing alike. Ultimately, this possibility is enough for Ben to come out of retirement and mentor Abram for his Games. | |
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Played for drama in Berserk after the eclipse. Casca goes into labor and gives birth to a premature but demonic hell baby. Guts at first believes the baby to be Griffith's, who had previously became a demon lord and raped Casca to insanity and begins panicking over the possibility. The Skull Knight confirms that Guts is the father saying that Casca was impregnated by him roughly a month before the Eclipse. However, the baby was nonetheless tainted and deformed due to the rape. The news did not make Guts very happy either way. | |
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In Mouse (2017), there are two candidates for Mouse's father: a sorcerer known as Priest, and an embassy worker who left before Mouse was born. His mother June thinks it was probably the embassy worker. | |
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Discussed in Kaguya-sama: Love Is War. Kaguya's father admits on his deathbed that the reason why he always been so distant with her is because he wasn't sure if she was actually his biological child (seeing as Kaguya's mother was a prostitute). While he could have very easily taken a DNA test (given that the story takes place in the late 2010s), he avoided doing so out of fear of how he would react if the test came back negative. | |
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13 Minutes: It's left unclear if Elsa's son was sired by Elser or her husband, as she had been with him in the period before the baby's conception. This is not much of an issue though, since the baby boy dies shortly after birth, and her husband never knows about the affair. | |
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In season 9 of Stargate SG-1, Vala, while trapped in the Ori galaxy, gets married to cover up the fact that she got pregnant out of wedlock. The truth does eventually come out, though: the Ori impregnated Vala with the Orici, who is basically the in-universe version of the Antichrist. Vala's husband initially thinks the child is his until one of the Priors (basically, the Ori's prophets) tells him that he's sterile. He then thinks Vala cheated on him for a short time before it's officially revealed that the child is "the will of the Ori." | |
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The shapeshifting Abel from Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures endured rumors of illegitimacy while growing up. While he greatly resembled his mother May, he didn't much look like his father Cid. The fact that he was born with wings combined with his mother's reputation as a "loose" woman led to the neighbors talking. Many years later, the truth comes out: His mother was entirely faithful, but his father was actually a Cubi shapeshifter named Aniz who killed the real Cid and has been impersonating him all these years. Abel's resemblance to only his mother is the result of Cubi's tendencies to take after their non-Cubi parents. | |
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In the Avatar: The Last Airbender fanfic rumor has it, "everybody knows" that Zuko is actually Iroh's son after he had an affair with his brother's wife. This surprisingly doesn't cause any problems for Zuko, since Ozai was such a bastard and Iroh such a beloved hero. Most of the Fire Nation (and certainly the rest of the world) pretty much just shrugs and says "that makes sense, good thing we got Zuko instead of Azula." The fic is mostly vignettes of random people's opinion on this "fact," from minor soldiers to nobles to a bastard girl who is being bullied for her status. Iroh's own thoughts imply none of this is true, but he doesn't see a need to make an issue of it. | |
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Archer: The titular protagonist has at least three potential fathers, including the heads of the KGB and a rival spy agency. Much is made of his mother's promiscuity, which hasn't slowed down in the slightest. In another episode, Archer gets sued for paternity but is so desperate to get out of it that he switches another man's blood with the sample they took from him (through an elaborate Mission: Impossible scenario). He is then confirmed as the father and must pay child support — only then realizing he is not the father and put the real father's blood in his place. |
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The Golden Hamster Saga: In Freddy in Peril, Freddy asks the rat Karen Graywhisker if Graywhisker the Great is her father. She answers, "Maybe, maybe not. He's our tribal chief, anyway." | |
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Outlander: A major arc of season 5 is the heritage of baby Jeremiah. Brianna had consensual sex with her now husband Roger and then was raped by Stephen Bonnet all in 24 hours. When she discovers she's pregnant she has no way of knowing which man actually fathered the child. Being married to Roger, they of course claim the child as theirs, but once Bonnet discovers that Jeremiah is the heir of a large plantation estate, he attempts to make a claim of paternity, even producing "witnesses" who will swear in court that Brianna willingly slept with him in exchange for a silver ring. | |
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On Chicago P.D., Lindsey finally meets her father and they start bonding but a DNA test reveals that they are not actually related. The man is so angry at the reveal that he accuses Lindsey and her mother Bunny of running a con on him. Bunny defends herself by saying that she really thought the man was Lindsey's father. Bunny is The Alcoholic so her recollection of the events cannot be really trusted. | |
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In Still Open All Hours, Leroy's mother, pregnant after a one night stand, dumped the baby on Granville. The fact she was the sort of woman to do this leads Leroy to wonder if Granville is really his father, but everyone else in the street sees the resemblance. | |
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Keychain of Creation brings it up during a dispute between Marena and her abusive politician mother: | |
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B.B. King had at least fifteen acknowledged children throughout his lifetime, although both of his marriages were childless. When writing his autobiography, his ghostwriter discovered King had been informed he would most likely never be able to father children. King took it rather philosophically, and never did anything to suggest the children were not his. | |
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The Scarlet Empress: It's very heavily implied that Tsar Peter III is not the father of his wife Catherine's baby (Catherine being the future Catherine the Great). Peter and Catherine hate each other and are never in each other's company. The scene where the child (the future Paul I) is born comes immediately after the scene where Catherine has sex with a random guard. Later, a smirking Peter refers to the baby as "an unexpected addition to the family." | |
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In some continuities of Batman, Selina Kyle/Catwoman is implied to be an unacknowledged, illegitimate daughter of Carmine Falcone. | |
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On The Musketeers, Aramis has an affair with Queen Anne who she reveals she's pregnant shortly afterwards (after years of unsuccessful trying with the King). Aramis immediately knows it's his child, although Athos reminds him that he can never claim the child because that will result in his and the Queen's death. | |
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The Wicked Years: Inverted in Wicked, in which Elphaba isn't sure if Liir is her son or not because she'd been unconscious at the time he was born and no one would tell her if she'd given birth during that time or not. Although Played Straight with her sister Nessarose, who her father suspects is not his. Turns out it's true about Elphaba, too, with a different father than her sister, though. The issue of both claims is resolved by sequel books, where Liir's daughter turns up green, confirming Liir's parentage at last and the family tree confirms that Nessarose is indeed Frexspar's child |
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In The Goodies future episode "2001 And A Bit", the Goodies have all had sex with the same woman who then gave birth to triplets. So each Goodie picked one as his son — turns out they all picked the wrong ones. Therefore Graham Jr is a violent working-class yobbo like Bill Oddie, Bill Jr is a toff like Tim Brooke-Taylor, and Tim Jr is a scientist like Graham Garden. | |
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In Wyrd Sisters, it's revealed at the end that the Fool is Tomjon's half-brother, and when Tomjon rejects the crown, he is made king. It is then further revealed that their shared father is not the late king, but the late fool. Probably. | |
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Brought up in Avatar: The Last Airbender - The Search but ultimately averted — with the timing between the wedding and Zuko's birth Ozai knows his son is his. Ursa only claimed otherwise because she wanted to see if her husband was intercepting her letters, and hurt him if he was; she is powerless and cut off from her friends and family and can only wish that Zuko is nothing like Ozai. Knowing this, Ozai decides to be far crueler to Zuko out of spite. | |
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Inverted in Gaiden sequel mini-series with Sasuke's daughter, Sarada. She greatly resembles her father plus glasses, but when she asks her mother Sakura (who doesn't wear glasses) if her father wore glasses too (he doesn't), she acts very evasively of the question. Sarada then questions her mother of even being married to her father; logically, Sakura doesn't take it very well and has a rage-fit, allowing Sarada to discover a picture of Karin (who does wear glasses) with her father. And then it turns out that Sakura is Sarada's biological mother; the supposed "evidence" saying that Karin was the girl's mom was actually badly-handled by Karin's friend Suigetsu since Karin was Sakura's midwife and some DNA of both women got mixed up. The evidence was actually Sarada's dried umbilical cord, which Sakura gave to Karin as a gift for delivering Sarada. Suigetsu mistakenly THOUGHT the umbilical cord came from Karin. The cord's DNA matched with Sarada's because it came from Sakura. | |
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In Red River (1995) Lady Güzel, a princess who had once been Kail's lover, insists that he's the father of her child. Because Kail's inline for the throne and having an heir would be beneficial to him, there is a lot of pressure for him to accept the child as his own... but Kail himself knows that it's impossible that he's the boy's father, because he and Güzel haven't seen each other for years. It turns out Güzel had been brainwashed by Kail's Wicked Stepmother Nakia into lying about her child's parentage. Upon being woken up, she readily admits that the father was a Wandering Minstrel and that the idea that Kail was the father was preposterous. Also, Nakia finds herself in such a situation later. As she loses power, people begin to gossip more and more openly about how they think her son Juda is actually Urhi's son with her; the fact that Juda and Urhi have exactly the same hair color and that Urhi is the person closest to Nakia really don't help matters. It turns out Juda really is the king's legitimate son: Urhi is a eunuch and was castrated quite a while before he even met Nakia. |
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In Genghis Khan, Genghis's wife Bortai is kidnapped by a rival. She comes back pregnant. Genghis insists on recognizing the boy as his own son. This happens in another Genghis Khan biopic, Mongol—mainly because it happened in Real Life. The dubious parentage of Genghis's first son, Jochi, cost Jochi a shot at succeeding his father and played a significant part in the fracturing of the Mongol Empire. | |
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The Flintstones: Monogamy is a relatively new concept in this comic and one of its defenders says it serves to end doubts on fathers' identities. | |
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Olive from Drive, He Said is married to Richard and having an affair with Hector. When she gets pregnant, she thinks the father is Hector, but she doesn't know for sure. | |
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In the Child Ballad Gil Brenton, the hero accepts the heroine's story of how he got her pregnant, but the ballad ends with magical writing on the baby's body affirming that he is in fact the father, to doubly avert this trope. | |
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Girl Genius: Played with. The first child of Bill Heterodyne and Lucrezia was named Klaus Barry Heterodyne, after Lucrezia's old boyfriend Klaus Wulfenbach and Bill's brother Barry. The old seneschal stresses that the name was Bill's idea, and he was born over two years after Klaus Wulfenbach disappeared. | |
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In the Better Bones AU, the queens' rights to not name the father of their kits, mentioned in the first series in canon, is made into a consistent law. It was created after finding out the father of Mapleshade's kits led to their deaths. Many kits now have unknown fathers. BloodClan cats are matriarchal and don't keep track of fathers at all, with uncles filling the social role that fathers would in the Clans. |
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I'm the Evil Lord of an Intergalactic Empire!: The story starts with Liam on his death bed having been worked to the bone by several Evil Debt Collector due to debts forced upon him by his ex-wife which include child support for a daughter that's most likely the result of her cheating on him. The whole thing gives Liam Paralyzing Fear of Sexuality and a chip on his shoulder in his next life. | |
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In Savage Dragon, Dragon's then-girlfriend was pregnant. Since she was a past prostitute and there was a subplot at the time indicating that she might've been cheating on him (she wasn't), the first words out of his mouth were "Is it mine?", which upset her a great deal. He ended up apologizing, she ended up forgiving him, and the baby ended up being his, leading to the boy becoming a hero years down the line. | |
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In The Queen of Sunshine and Bright Things, Maleficent mentions to herself that Elsa's powers are likely due to her mother cheating with a fairy. She doesn't dare bring up her thoughts to Elsa herself. | |
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On The Walking Dead, when Lori gets pregnant, Shane thinks he's the father instead of Rick. Lori shuts him down, and he dies before Judith is born, so it hasn't really come up since; even the few people left who knew Shane don't question that Judith's Rick's daughter. In season 7, Rick says that he thinks that Judith is Shane's daughter but it does not change how he feels about her. Daryl jokes (out of Rick's earshot)that Judith is Shane's; the reactions of the others show they at least entertain the possibility. |
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Lost: Jin's father admits that he's not sure if Jin is actually his biological son as Jin's mother was a prostitute with a lot of clients. When she left baby Jin with him Mr. Kwon decided to take care of the boy anyway because he didn't know if anyone else would. The show also does an interesting spin on this. When it is discovered Sun is pregnant, she cannot be sure who the father is, her husband Jin, or another man she was having an affair with back in Korea. Who the father of the baby is matters, because women who were impregnated on the island die in childbirth, while those impregnated off the island survive. This creates a dilemma for her, as if the baby is her husband's (who impregnated her on the island) he will never find out about the affair, but she will most likely die, Whereas if the baby is the other man's, Jin would know of her infidelity but Sun would survive the childbirth. The baby turns out to be Jin's, but luckily Sun makes it off the island before the delivery. |
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In later chapters of the NCIS Doorstopper Shards To a Whole, Tim and Abby McGee and Jimmy and Breena Palmer are happily living in a four-way relationship together. When Breena is pregnant with her youngest child, the ultrasound photos strongly indicate that the baby more closely resembles Tim than Jimmy. After the initial discovery, the trope is largely averted since, as far as the McPalmers are concerned, any child born into their family (including those born before the four of them hooked up) belongs to all of them and Jimmy and Abby feel zero jealousy at the thought of Breena carrying Tim's baby. | |
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Rome Antonia's paternity is unknown. Agrippa asks Octavia whether he or Antony is the biological father, though how he expected her to be able to answer that isn't expounded on. Toddler Antonia's very brief appearances give no clues. She's blonde, which could imply Agrippa is the father; however, her maternal uncle, Octavian, is also blond, and many white children do have blond/e hair that becomes much darker over the years. Historically, Antonia's paternity was never debated. Cleopatra takes advantage of this trope. Wanting to have a child with Julius Caesar, but not having met him yet at a time when she's biologically most likely to have a child, she seduces a lusty Roman soldier. Lucius Vorenus finds out that his daughter's supposed child is actually his wife Niobe's, causing her to commit suicide. |
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Soap: Tim and Corrine get married, and Corrine quickly becomes pregnant. She's 5 months pregnant when they've only been married for 3 weeks. She assures Tim that she hadn't had sex with anyone during that time before they got married but Tim doesn't believe it. A week or two later she has the baby and it's possessed, which is why it grew so fast. Burt gets Abducted By Aliens and replaced with an alien double. After that plot is resolved, his wife Mary learns she's pregnant. At first, she's thrilled, but then realizes that the baby could be Alien!Burt's rather than Human!Burt's. |
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In Doc Rat, Cedrci refused to believe that he was the father of Dani's babies. | |
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In Mohawk, Oak has two lovers—a Mohawk warrior named Calvin and a British soldier named Joshua—one of whom is the father of her unborn child, but Oak does not know which. | |
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Known Space: Kdatlyno have a reproductive strategy similar to that of Earth animals such as cats, where the female mates with a succession of males, usually between five and fifteen, over a period of a month or two. She eventually produces several children whose fathers are uncertain — the males are not even entirely certain whether their particular individual contributions made it to fertilization. | |
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In The Goblin Emperor fanfic The Honourable Thing, this is played with. Beshelar knows for certain that the child is not his, as he married the mother to save her reputation. He constantly has to dispel other characters' suspicions. | |
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The Drew Carey Show: In "Oswald's Son", Oswald meets Robert Gates, a young man who is the daughter of Oswald's high school girlfriend. Both Oswald and Robert believe that Robert is Oswald's son, but Kate and Drew observe that he looks very much like Lewis, who is revealed to have also slept with Robert's mother while they were in high school. Lewis and Oswald spend the rest of the episode trying to be a father to Robert until Drew decides to settle the matter with a paternity test. However, Oswald and Lewis realize that it doesn't matter which of them is Robert's father as they love him equally and refuse to hear the results of the test. | |
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In The Winter's Tale, Leontes doubts that he is the father of either Mamillus or Perdita. (He's the father of both, but Improperly Paranoid.) | |
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In Revolting People, Ezekiel cannot imagine that his wife Cora could possibly have been unfaithful to him. But since they have a Sexless Marriage, he can't actually see any other explanation for their children. | |
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In the Malcolm in the Middle episode where Betty White guest stars as Sylvia, the secret wife of Victor, Lois' father, has Lois trying to talk her into allowing Ida, her mother, to have Victor's tiny pension, since the lawsuit Ida was preparing to launch would destroy her financially even if she won. Sylvia refuses on the grounds that she hates Ida so much, so Lois decides to fully support Ida's lawsuit. As they are preparing the court documentation, they receive the DNA test the lawyer advised Lois to take, and she's shocked to discover that she is not related to Victor at all. Ida nonchalantly admits that Lois' biological father is a guy from the old country who could walk upstairs on his hands, and even admits that Susan, Lois' sister, may have been fathered by another man. | |
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In Angie Sage's Septimus Heap novel Magyk, Sally is convinced that this trope explains why Jenna doesn't look like her family. Fortunately. In reality, Jenna's a foundling, and they must hide her origin. | |
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Still a viable trope on Shameless (US). Mickey Milkovich was forced by his father Terry to have sex with a prostitute named Svetlana in order to "fuck the queer" out of him. It didn't work and Svetlana became pregnant. However, because of her job, it is not clear that Mickey is actually the father. But being dirt poor, a DNA test is not as readily available an option as it would be for more affluent characters. Also, Svetlana has not given up on "curing" Mickey, since she was able to use the pregnancy to force him to marry her with the full support of Terry and she probably would not cooperate with any attempt to disprove Mickey's paternity. | |
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Noob: La Quête Légendaire has the inverse be the case for Sparadrap and his younger brother. An established female character turns out to be an ex of his father who had a son with him, but his father can't remember whose mother she is by virtue of being a Forgetful Jones and the potential mother can't thanks to a Lobotomy. And in the process of trying to remember, the father reveals the existence of a third son of his to the audience. | |
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It's left ambiguous in Joker (2019) whether Arthur's father is Thomas Wayne or not. It's revealed his mother was delusional and adopted Arthur, but this is called into question by two Freeze-Frame Bonus' showing that Arthur's mother has something addressed by "T.W." and her papers saying she had a lobotomy. It's possible that Thomas covered up his affair and faked adoption papers. | |
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Moral Orel: One of the many strains in the Awful Wedded Life of Clay and Bloberta, Orel's parents, is that their youngest child, Shapey, looks nothing like Clay (he has blond hair while the rest of the family are brunettes), causing Clay to accuse Bloberta of an affair. It's revealed later on that Shapey is the result of an affair between Bloberta and Coach Stopframe, who ironically only impregnated Bloberta in order to get closer to his actual crush, Clay. "The Best Christmas Ever" has the two argue about it directly in response to their pastor's sermon about abortion earlier that day. | |
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Almost Family: Leon Bechley inflicted this on a hundred or more couples, as he used his sperm to perform IVF, not the men's. As a result, dozens of people come out to connect with each other/him or sue (he's also indicted for committing fraud and sexual abuse on a huge scale). | |
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In Trailer Park Boys, Trinity is by all accounts Ricky's daughter, but the series has dropped the odd hint that she might actually be Julian's daughter, as evidenced by the fact her personality far more resembles his than Ricky's. It doesn't help that her mother Lucy has been around the park a few times... No official word on whose daughter she really is has ever been confirmed. | |
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In Gods and Warriors, this was invoked by Pirra's mother, High Priestess Yassassara, when she decided to bear a child; she mated with three different priests so that none of them could claim to be the father. They all died in an earthquake when Pirra was little, or so she was told; she wonders if Yassassara got rid of them so that they wouldn't cause trouble. | |
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Shadow and Bone: Nikolai and Alina briefly discuss the rumors of him actually being fathered by a commoner. Nikolai says he doesn't care if he has royal blood or not. | |
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Game of Thrones plays it both straight and inverted: in season 1 it's revealed that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen aren't actually King Robert Baratheon's children, but rather Jaimie Lannister's by Twincest with Queen Cersei, and then at the end of season 6 it's revealed that Ned Stark isn't the father of Jon Snow, but rather that his mother was Ned's sister Lyanna and his father was Prince Rhaegar Targaryen; therefore Mama knew who the father was, but Jon doesn't know who either of his true parents are. It should be noted in this last instance, Ned Stark did know who Jon's real parents were, but chose not to reveal this information to protect Jon from his friend Robert Baratheon, Lyanna's spurned fiancé and Rhaegar's Arch-Nemesis, who would certainly have wanted any child of theirs dead. | |
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In Spider-Man, when Peter learns that his deceased lover Gwen Stacy had twin children who have reached adulthood in less than a decade, he soon realises that the children believe him to be their father, but is able to confirm that this can't be the case; downplayed with the revelation that Mary Jane actually knew about the children long before Peter did and never mentioned it to avoid tarnishing Gwen's memory. They were later retconned as artificial constructs by an insane AI of Harry Osborn warped by Mephisto. |
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Ash: A Secret History: subverted - children in Ash's mercenary camp don't know who their fathers are, but they also don't know who their mothers are, as mothers take no responsibility for their children, so those children have to suckle from lactating dogs to survive. | |
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Spartacus: Blood and Sand: It would be hard to say who got Lucretia pregnant, although she thinks it was Crixus. Given that she's been trying to have children with Batiatus for years with no success, this may be right and he's infertile. We never learn with certainty though. If she'd given birth, it might have been clear (as the child, if Crixus', might have dark skin too), but that doesn't happen. | |
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Enforced by law in the political fantasy A Taste of Gold and Iron by Alexandra Rowland. Only the parent who gave birth has an automatic claim on the baby; the parent who sired the child, even if everybody agrees who they are, has no rights without an explicit legal agreement, usually a marriage. Female rulers never get married for exactly this reason, and often don't say who the fathers of their heirs are because it doesn't matter. The sultan (who is a woman) complains that she should have taken that route instead of acknowledging the biological father of her child, a foreign ambassador, because he doesn't seem to understand that "body-father" (what he is) and "law-father" (what he's definitely not) are different things and it's really getting on her nerves. | |
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In Craving the Sky, Weiss is born a faunus and immediately assumed to be a bastard despite Willow's insistence that she didn't cheat. Weiss does bear a strong resemblance to Jacques otherwise, but unfortunately the daddy DNA tests keep turning out inconclusive. | |
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This trope is averted/inverted in Dodes'ka-den by Akira Kurosawa with a local woman who has five children. The children tearfully ask their mother's husband, their alleged father, about the rumors saying they're not his children; he tells them he is if they say he is. | |
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The Painted Veil (2006): "Am I the father?" "I don't know." | |
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House of the Dragon: Rhaenyra Targaryen's three eldest children are all black-haired and fair-skinned, despite being legally fathered by Laenor Velaryon, a silver-haired, dark-skinned man. Unlike the source material (where the dubious paternity is unproven), it's made painfully clear that the three are not Laenor's children; Laenor is gay, while Rhaenyra is having an affair with Ser Harwin Strong, which Laenor not only knows but wholeheartedly approves (hell, he even lets him openly visit their quarters to see the boys). Everyone else in the Red Keep know it too, but they have to accept the paternity or risk having their tongues cut by King Viserys. Rhaenyra mentions that she did try something with Laenor, but their clashing desires meant that she had to seek someone else. | |
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In the Black Adder season 1 episode "Born to be King", Prince Edmund thinks he has letters that show the Queen had an affair with the Duke of Argyll nine months before his elder brother's birth, which makes Harry illegitimate and himself the heir to the throne. Unfortunately, he's being set up and hasn't checked the dates ... they're actually from nine months before he was born. | |
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This trope is played straight in Mamma Mia!, despite the musical having been written after DNA testing became possible. One can speculate that it wasn't practical in the time frame before Sophie's wedding or wasn't available in the setting of a remote Greek island. In any case, DNA testing is never even suggested as a solution to the plot. In the film version it is suggested near the end, but the characters decide not to do it because all three possible dads love Sophie and she loves all of them. | |
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On Two and a Half Men, Alan's ex-wife Judith has a daughter with her current husband Herb. Alan, however, suspects he might actually be the father since he and Judith had a brief affair while she and Herb were separated (not to mention the baby resembles Alan a great deal). Also, while it is played for laughs, near the end of one episode we see multiple men who were regularly at Judith's house for professional reasons (such as a Postman) who all greatly resembled Jake. |
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Hinted at in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, of all shows. Mr. and Mrs. Cake are earth ponies but their kids are a pegasus and a unicorn, and Mr. Cake attempts to Hand Wave this to Pinkie Pie with an explanation that makes no sense involving the idea that traits can be inherited through marriage! | |
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The Doctor Who episode "A Good Man Goes to War" plays with this trope, repeatedly and rather clumsily attempting to cast doubt on the paternity of Amy's baby. The answer: it IS her husband Rory's, but because the baby was conceived in the TARDIS, she is also a Time Lord. | |
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Aunt Dimity: This figures in the Backstory of Kit Smith, but it isn't revealed until many years after the fact. The truth his father was neighbour and family friend Christopher DuCaral is actually something of a relief, since Kit thought insanity ran in his genetic heritage and refused to marry anyone to avoid passing it on. On confirming the news, he goes to his long-time love Nell Harris, helps her down from her horse at the riding school, and kisses her. | |
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True Detective: Velcoro and his wife were trying to have a baby when she was raped. Almost exactly nine months later, she gave birth to a red-headed child who looks nothing like Velcoro. The couple chooses to treat the child as Velcoro's son. When they separate, however, the wife threatens to do a DNA test, which could remove all of Velcoro's custody rights if their son isn't his biological offspring. | |
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A Court of Thorns and Roses: Lucien takes after his mother in enough ways that it's not immediately obvious whether he's the son of her husband, or the man she was having an affair with at the time. | |
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Women of Eden: Adam had the decency to care about both Cain and Abel, unaware that Abel was Lucifer's kid. | |
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Persephone: Despite being married to Snotlout, it is mentioned that Ruffnut cheats on him, making it likely that her child might not actually be his. Later averted. | |
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In Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I., Alvina's paternity is uncertain, because her mother was intimate with both Chambeaux and McGoo during the crucial timeframe, and in their universe paternity tests don't work on a vampire child (she got a bad blood transfusion after a mishap). The guys, who are close friends, deal by sharing parental responsibilities and they both genuinely love Alvina. | |
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In an episode of In the Heat of the Night, a man finally snaps and murders his wife and her lover after catching them together in their bed. The investigation reveals that the affair has been going on for years and that it's highly likely that he's not his son's biological father — he refers to his daughter as "the only child I can truthfully call mine!", even though it's implied he had doubts about her paternity as well. | |
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In The L.A. Complex, Raquel gets pregnant by either Connor or Gary (it's left ambiguous.) Before she finds out who the father is (or reveals it to the audience), she miscarries. | |
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In The Nativity Story, the audience knows that Mary is telling the truth when she says that God is the father of her unborn child, but Joseph and her parents are a bit more skeptical. Joseph eventually believes her after the Holy Spirit visits him in a dream to confirm her claim, and goes on to publicly claim the child as his, so it would have a father on Earth. | |
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Inverted in Wicked, in which Elphaba isn't sure if Liir is her son or not because she'd been unconscious at the time he was born and no one would tell her if she'd given birth during that time or not. | |
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In one story of Tomie, the baby of a family grows up to be a creepy child version of Tomie, who naturally resembles and acts like no one in the family. The father accuses the mother of having an affair because of this, especially when he finds out that a wealthier family apparently has a child who looks the same. The mother, meanwhile, maintains that the child is his and that she did look like him when she was an infant. Actually, there are several child Tomie's running around because a creepy guy injected the babies with Tomie's blood. | |
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In Scavenger Alliance, Cage uses this idea to intimidate Blaze, claiming that Donnell doesn't believe she's his daughter because while her brother Seamus was the image of Donnell, Blaze herself looks nothing like him. In fact, Blaze is the image of her mother, and Donnell is baffled that anyone would suggest she's not his. | |
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Briefly discussed and defied in the Fruits Basket fic Unshakable. When Akito reveals her pregnancy, Shigure has no doubt in his mind that the baby is his, but also recalls that Akito also tended to spite him by sleeping with Kureno. Already knowing what Shigure is thinking, Akito confirms that she's pregnant with his child, stating that she's "not like that anymore." | |
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A major plot point in the first season of Veronica Mars. Hinted at a little, then kicked into high gear with the bombshell "I told him I'd get a paternity test and take him for millions." | |
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The White Bone: Not only do the elephants not know who their fathers are, they don't even know that a bull's seed is required to create a calf. They believe that a bull digs a cow's calf tunnel, making her capable of giving birth, but she produces the calf by herself. | |
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Warrior Cats: Bluefur never revealed who sired her kits. Her Clanmates assume that Thrushpelt is the father of her kits. Mistykit and Stonekit have Bluefur's color, but Mosskit doesn't resemble either Thrushpelt or Bluefur. She doesn't resemble her biological father Oakheart either. | |
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An episode of Sanford and Son has an old friend of Fred's claim that he had a one night stand with Elizabeth and that he's actually Lamont's father. Another friend of Fred's actually says the trope name verbatim. At the end it turns out that the guy actually slept with Aunt Esther, and thought it was Elizabeth in the dark. | |
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Another has it that David was believed to be a product of adultery for most of his early life - after multiple children his father stopped having sex with his mother because of belated anxiety about whether his Moabite ancestry (from Ruth) meant he was forbidden to have relations with a Jewish woman, and his mother pulled a Bed Trick when he tried to sleep with a servant instead. | |
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An episode of Airwolf involved Stringfellow meeting the Vietnamese woman that his missing brother St. John had been having an affair with during the war. She has a son of the right age, but no one is sure if the boy really is String's nephew and Sinjin's son or not. | |
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From the start there is speculation as to whether the father of Isabelle's children is Charlie or her husband in The Thirteenth Tale. | |
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In L. Jagi Lamplighter's Prospero's Daughter trilogy there is considerable speculation about Caliban's father. In the end, he has one question and uses it to confirm what the evidence points too. | |
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Bazil Broketail: King Sanker of Marneri doesn't believe Besita is his daughter, since her mother had numerous affairs (which he had her executed for). He hates Besita as a result, and kept her from ever marrying because her children might become pretenders. | |
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In Strange Interlude, Nina's husband Sam has a history of insanity in his family. So Nina elects to get pregnant by her friend Ned and pass the baby off as Sam's. | |
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Midsomer Murders: At the end of "Destroying Angel" it's revealed that Annie Tyson's real father was Karl Wainwright. | |
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Played with in Rat-Man (1989), in that from the start there's serious doubts that Brakko's son from his cheating wife is actually his. Eventually it's confirmed the biological father is actually the mailman... Not that Brakko cares, even when he knew from the start: Brakko Junior is his son, no matter what a paternity test says. | |
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Downplayed in In the Bleak Midwinter (TheLoud); the wealthy Riddles, and especially their maid Fiona, are naturally a bit suspicious of a girl who comes to their home and presents a baby who she claims is Tom's. Since Hermione isn't trying to extort anything from them, however, just giving them the entirely voluntary option of raising their son and grandson, they soon warm to her. It also helps that little Tommy shares his father's unusual eye colour. | |
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The Mountain and the Wolf: The Wolf offhandedly mentions three Chaos tribesmen from the local equivalents of Scandinavia, Central Asia, and the Far East competing for the hand of a woman who'd slept with all three. The baby was born with red, black, and brown hair. Not exactly how genetics work, but when Chaos is involved... | |
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Wishing Well: None of the stallions in Ponyville will admit to being the father of Cotton Candy's daughter Pinkie Pie, so there's much rumor on who it could be. | |
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Terriers: Britt's girlfriend Katie gets pregnant shortly after having sex with her professor, which makes her afraid to tell Britt about the pregnancy because she's not sure which of them is the father. Britt is initially angry, but eventually tells her he doesn't want to know the result of the paternity test because he wants to believe the child is his. | |
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The Shadowhunter Chronicles: There are some hints that Isabelle Lightwood is not truly Robert's daughter with Maryse, although it is unknown which of the two had an affair for the conception to be possible. Isabelle has brown eyes, while her parents and siblings all have blue eyes. In real life, it is nigh-impossible for two blue-eyed parents to conceive a brown-eyed child. Robert did have an affair in the past, which was caught by Maryse and led to a strain in their marriage. Gold-haired Matthew Fairchild, the son of red-haired Henry Branwell and brown-haired Charlotte Fairchild, was taunted by Alastair Carstairs, who suggested that he was actually the product of an affair Charlotte had with the blond-haired Gideon Lightwood. He was insecure because his brother, Charles, had both Henry's red hair and Charlotte's leadership skills, while Matthew inherited none of those. One day, he was tricked to present a pregnant Charlotte a "Truth Serum" concocted by faeries, except the serum was a poison, which induced a reaction and caused her to miscarry. It's only then that Henry admitted that Matthew was really his son with Charlotte, and his gold hair was something he shared with Henry's great aunt, Matilda, from whom he got his name. |
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The Last Dragon Chronicles: When Liz starts to explain all about Arthur, the first conclusion is that he is Lucy's father. Wrong. Liz quickens an egg, it hatches, Arthur comes home and she's nursing a newborn. His conclusion? She cheated. | |
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Ladylord: The baby Sen-Ya is believed to be the long-desired son and heir of First Lord Yassai, but is not actually Yassai's son. Yassai is mostly impotent, and to get pregnant, the concubine who gave birth to Sen-Ya visited the dungeons as an anonymous lady of the court and had sex with one of the prisoners (as the guards seem to indicate ladies of the court not infrequently do). Yassai assumes that the second part of Sen-Ya's name is to honour him, but it's actually from the prisoner. | |
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The Quick and the Dead. This is the dramatic tension between Herod and The Kid. Herod's wife was unfaithful (it's suggested that Herod murdered her for this act), and so Herod implies that the Kid is not his son and therefore lacks his toughness. It gets to the stage that The Kid challenges his father to a Duel to the Death to force him to acknowledge his skill. Herod ruthlessly guns The Kid down, though he takes none of the sadistic pleasure he does from his other kills. | |
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Allowed to play for nearly two seasons in the case of Rebecca on Brothers & Sisters. Initially, she is presented as William Walker's illegitimate daughter by his long-time mistress Holly Harper. Although the issue of getting a Daddy DNA Test was raised, especially by lawyer brother Kevin, this was largely treated as unreasonable and the family accepted her as William's daughter. Until Rebecca and her supposed half-brother Justin began having romantic feelings, at which point she got tested and it was confirmed that she was actually the daughter of Holly's other boyfriend David. | |
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The Sunne in Splendour: There are two instances of this in the historical novel, both based on rumors that circulated at the time. The first is a rumor that circulates that Edward IV is the product of his mother's affair with an archer. In the book, very few people take this seriously but George brings it up as part of his campaign for the throne. Richard is particularly offended that his brother would brand their mother an adulteress in the name of ambition and jealously. Most people, including some Lancastrians it is implied, don't believe for a second that Edouard of Lancaster is the son of Henry VI, but since the paternal suspects are all also descended from Edward III, they say nothing. The Yorkists know they can't prove anything, but they also certainly don't believe the childlike Henry VI fathered him. The book takes this far more seriously than the rumor about Edward IV. |
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Crusader Kings II: The "Way of Life" DLC has the Seduction focus, which is exactly what it sounds like. There's also an event chain where your character thinks that he might not be the father of his pregnant wife's child, and can hire spies to try and catch her at adultery. Be prepared to have your character suspicious of every pregnancy if you have the Paranoid trait. This can also be Gender Flipped if you play as a female ruler: you can run around behind your king consort's back and sometimes fool him into thinking any "accidents" are his. Interestingly, if you suspect your wife and hire spies, both attempts to learn the truth may come back with a false negative that your wife was faithful. However, the child's "graphical culture" can help you identify a hidden bastard child. Graphical culture is inherited by a random parent. If you and your wife are both Irish, but her most recent child is light blond boy, it might be time to start looking at your German courtiers (Graphic Cultures typically are typically shared among a cultural group, but all cultures have a much more limited pool of childhood portraits than adult portraits, creating a very easy expectation of what your child should look like given his married parental cultures.). |
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