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A character declares that they or their objectives should not be hindered by considerations about good and evil. Such "meaningless, fallacious false dichotomies" are for simple-minded beings, not for them. They often term them antiquated or childish propaganda, and may go on to question What Is Evil? This trope usually applies to villains, though very occasionally a hero may say "screw right and wrong, I'm doing what I want." Associated with the Ãœbermensch and the Straw Nihilist, along with any other things Nietzsche-related. Other people who can claim this trope includes particularly megalomaniacal narcissists with delusions of godhood, sociopaths, scientists who do not let moral-societal opinions interfere with their quest for empirical knowledge, super-powerful beings corrupted by power, or just someone with Blue-and-Orange Morality. It can be a sign of an Eldritch Abomination and such creatures beyond standard human morality, thus very common in a Cosmic Horror Story and narratives where Nature Is Not Nice. It can also be used to show that someone who believes in Grey-and-Grey Morality can do just as terrible things as someone who believes in Black-and-White Insanity. The exact objectives of this character differ widely. Sometimes it is power, other times knowledge, or in the case of the Ãœbermensch, his own values to replace traditional morality. In some cases their willingness to do anything to get there is absolute though some Ubermenschen may have a set of standards apart from the usual good/evil that they go by. In the case of darker villains holding to this philosophy expect them to suffer from Laser-Guided Karma. When suffering payback, the character rarely excuses the wrong done to them under the same principle. Compare The Unfettered. Villains whose strong point is not logic will sometimes use both tropes. Not Cheating Unless You Get Caught is a related concept, but it's more practical than philosophical. Not to be confused with the book Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche or the unrelated game of the same name. A deity that is this places them in Class 2 on the Sliding Scale of Divine Intervention. |
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The evil wizard, Werdna, becomes this in the secret ending of Wizardry IV: The Return of Werdna after walking the Tree of Life and achieving enlightenment, breaking free of all his worldly desires. | |
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In Dissidia Final Fantasy: Opera Omnia, the Onion Knight describes the Cloud of Darkness in these terms. When the natural balance between the forces of light and darkness is lost with one force becoming too powerful, the Cloud is spawned to destroy the world and return it to the void. He admits that he can't really hate the Cloud as the other heroes hate their respective Big Bads because it's not really a person so much as a force of nature. | |
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DC vs. Vampires: Vampires take this attitude towards vampirism, albeit combined with Blue-and-Orange Morality (see below). They need to drink people to survive, so from their point of view, what they do isn't more immoral than humans eating cows and chickens. | |
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Watchmen: Dr. Manhattan just did not care about humanity anymore, until Laurie showed him the complexity and drama of human existence. In the sequel, Doomsday Clock, Batman thinks Ozymandias is little more than a man that believes himself to be above morals and rules, being a well-intentioned Extremist who sees his innocent victims as a statistic. | |
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Wonder Woman (1942): In the Pre-Crisis continuity Diana showing Odin that he wasn't above good and evil and the remaining Valkyries' defection to Paradise Island was enough to drive the old god to suicide. | |
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Wonder Woman (1987): Zeus is absolutely furious anyone would question or contradict him, considering his word to be the final unquestionable say when it comes to rulings and justice on Olympus. When Athena gets together a group of gods which have had enough of him to depose him, and convinces Diana to aid in her gambit by showing her Zeus' cruelty Zeus is incapable of comprehending why they'd turn against him. | |
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Wonder Woman (2006): Zeus decries genocide, dictatorships and war, while killing entire races off of earth for their warlike ways and trying to slaughter every human in possession of anything he considers a weapon and subjugate every nation while removing their ability to defend or police themselves. He is once again incapable of seeing those who oppose him or point out his hypocrisy as anything but impertinent fools. | |
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In Guild Wars 2 the Norn are this. As a race, they do not particularly care whether your actions are good or evil, merely that they are worthy of legend. They do understand good and evil, but are far more apathetic about it than the other races (generally speaking). | |
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In the Shadows of the Apt book Dragonfly Falling, a Wasp slave justifies herself on the grounds there is no good or evil, just people doing things. | |
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DIE: The Grandmaster of Die, the Anthropomorphic Personification of the place itself, is repeatedly stated to be amoral and not immoral while being confronted. | |
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The Grey Wardens of Dragon Age are the Grey Wardens for exactly this reason. They don't care if you're a prince or a commoner, a paragon of virtue or a mass murderer. If you've got the strength to withstand the incredibly painful and often fatal ritual of the Joining, thus gaining elevated skills and abilities with which you can fight the darkspawn, they'll accept you into the fold with no questions asked. Subverted if Loghain is made a Grey Warden and survives the first game. For all of their rhetoric, the Wardens never really accepted him as one of their own despite his ability because his betrayal at Ostagar doomed nearly all of Ferelden's Grey Wardens and put Thedas into ruin by failing to contain the Fifth Blight. | |
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Bone: Roque Ja holds the "There is no good and evil, there is only power" philosophy. Unlike most others, he is actually neutral; he works for the bad guys for pay, but will turn on them if they insult him and he lets the heroes go so that they can defeat the Locust at the end. | |
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X-Men: Apocalypse thinks morality is beneath him, instead regarding himself essentially as "evolution incarnate". When Loki tries to organize a massive Villain Team-Up in the Acts of Vengeance crossover, Apocalypse rejects membership outright since he doesn't see himself as a supervillain. And also sees himself as above a "mere god" like Loki. | |
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Bel-Shamaroth in The Colour of Magic, being an Eldritch Abomination, is described as "the opposite side of a coin where good and evil were the same side". | |
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Bleach: Sosuke Aizen justifies his depraved actions by claiming that distinctions of good and evil would merely limit his potential. | |
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A Certain Magical Index: Main character Touma considers good and evil to be mere shackles, and just does whatever he feels is right at the time, even if that means saving the very same villain he just punched out seconds before. In the World War III arc, Touma even gives Accelerator some huge Character Development by telling him that his thoughts that he is a villain are just holding him back. | |
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Apocalypse Now: Colonel Kurtz praises the dedication of the Vietnamese enemy and how they will do anything to win, and argues that America cannot afford to "play fair" or care what the rest of the world thinks. To win, America has to completely throw morality to the wind and completely destroy the Vietcong with every weapon and ruthless tactic they have at their disposal, or get the hell out of 'Nam. He expressly believes that if he had ten divisions of hardened soldiers who were willing to butcher children] to send a message, then he would win the war with them, and with alarming speed. | |
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Angel: The Blood Knight God of Gods Illyria states that he is "as moral as a hurricane. Empty, but for the force of [his] gale." His life's goal has always been "[t]o never die and to conquer all." In a rare non-villainous version, he works alongside the good guys because the bad guys pissed him off. | |
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In The King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 2, Jivatma invokes this trope in the Pre-Final Battle one-liner if you fight him with Kim Kaphwan: | |
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Poor Things: Godwin Baxter is a Mad Scientist who performs weird surgical operations on animals and human beings out of scientific curiosity, which he clearly believes is more important than ethics. He does have some kind of moral sense, however, unlike his own father, who inflicted Scary Stitches and Bizarre Human Biology on him in the name of scientific research. | |
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The Belgariad: Ctuchik claims he and Belgarath have gone beyond restrictions of morality when the latter mildly objects to his love for torture. | |
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In Fringe, during the episode "Amber 31422", the other Walter Bishop, the inventor of the titular substance and U.S. Secretary of Defense, says to Broyles: "Nature doesn't recognize good and evil, Philip. Nature only recognizes balance and imbalance. I intend to restore balance to our world. Whatever it takes." | |
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In Atop the Fourth Wall, the Entity aka Missingno, is directly stated- by the protagonist, no less- to be a being beyond good and evil. | |
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A member of the Cthulhu Cult in "The Call of Cthulhu" explains that the time of the return of the Great Old Ones will be when mankind has become as them, "free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy." It's no wonder only two of the dozens of members arrested for ritual murders were found sane enough to be hanged. | |
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Theresa & Allison: Theresa objects to the other vampires' ruthless actions, saying they're wrong. Allison simply replies "There is no more wrong for us". | |
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Pious Augustus in Eternal Darkness. He states it clearly during Paul Luther's chapter: | |
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Hannibal: Hannibal views himself this way, stating that he's not evil. Will Graham is pretending to have a similar view to get close to him. | |
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Wonder Woman: Several gods Wondy interacts with feel this way, Zeus most prominently. Wonder Woman (1942): In the Pre-Crisis continuity Diana showing Odin that he wasn't above good and evil and the remaining Valkyries' defection to Paradise Island was enough to drive the old god to suicide. Wonder Woman (1987): Zeus is absolutely furious anyone would question or contradict him, considering his word to be the final unquestionable say when it comes to rulings and justice on Olympus. When Athena gets together a group of gods which have had enough of him to depose him, and convinces Diana to aid in her gambit by showing her Zeus' cruelty Zeus is incapable of comprehending why they'd turn against him. Wonder Woman (2006): Zeus decries genocide, dictatorships and war, while killing entire races off of earth for their warlike ways and trying to slaughter every human in possession of anything he considers a weapon and subjugate every nation while removing their ability to defend or police themselves. He is once again incapable of seeing those who oppose him or point out his hypocrisy as anything but impertinent fools. |
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In True Villains: Sebastian comes to adopt this mindset after switching from Nominal Hero to Villain Protagonist. The Gods each embody an ideal — Stability, Knowledge, Fear, Silly Antics, and so on — and show no interest in matters of good or evil. The God of Progress sponsors both The Paladin, a renowned hero, and Malanor, the First Vampire, whose Necrocracy overran most of the world in a reign of darkness. |
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In Flash Gordon, the Emperor Ming toys with Earth to see if anyone there is smart enough to recognize that what is happening isn't natural. If they think it's natural, he deems them too primitive. If they determine that it is artificial, Ming decrees them a threat and destroys them. When asked why by Dr. Zarkhov, Ming simply replies, "Why not?" | |
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Professor Quirrell says that Voldemort is such to Harry Potter in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone: | |
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In The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (2005), Sahasrahla describes The Triforce as a pure power that will grant the wish of anyone who touches it, good or evil. In the end, however, Ganon's awful personality and goals are too much for even it. | |
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In Rick and Morty, due to his insane intellect (confirmed by the Galactic Federation to be the smartest mammal in the galaxy) and his portal gun revealing to him infinite realities that allow him to avoid punishment for his misdeeds and infinite versions of his family members (which he views as replaceable), Rick Sanchez views morality as something utterly meaningless. Considering how the universe is his beliefs are more often than not justified: whenever Morty or Summer attempt to do "good" things like saving an imprisoned gaseous alien, freeing a planet from a Hive Mind, or trying to give a snake planet hope, it tends to cause severe repercussions with Rick pointing out every step of the way that they should have just not gotten involved. In fact, when talking to Space Beth he talks about going through his own "hero phase" when he was her age, implying his cold but accurate outlook on most things is learned from experience rather than his intellect. | |
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Vergere from New Jedi Order took it even further, believing that not only is there no dark side, but that there's no light side either. As she sees it, the Force simply is, and morality doesn't enter into it at all. | |
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Medaka Box: Ajimu states that life, death, love, hate, etc. is meaningless garbage. This is because she is under the "delusion" that she is a character in a comic book. | |
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The Adventures of Mark Twain: "The Mysterious Stranger" has Satan say, "I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is." | |
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Burning (2018): Ben states that he doesn't believe in right or wrong, claiming to adhere only to the "morals of nature." | |
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Manowar song "The Power": A repeating theme. | |
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When in Doubt, Obliviate: As in canon, Voldemort convinces Quirrell that "there is no good and evil, only power and those too weak to seek it". He still believes it after Voldemort's spirit is removed from him — until Dumbledore shuts him down by pointing out the gaping flaws in Voldemort's logic. Ultimately, Voldemort didn't care about his philosophy; anything he claimed to believe was entirely self-justification for doing whatever he wanted. | |
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In Supergirl (1982), Barry Metzner — one of the teachers of the titular heroine — undergoes an experiment which transforms him into a mutated creature with great Psychic Powers but utterly devoid of humanity or compassion. He declares several times he is above of human laws and concepts of good and evil: " I am above such judgments as good, as evil! I am the judge! I am the ideal!" | |
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Discworld: In Carpe Jugulum, the sophisticated modern vampires claim good and evil are just two ways of looking at the same thing. In the next book, The Fifth Elephant, there's a Call-Back in Vimes' internal monologue: In Making Money, a professor performing a necromatic rite (an insorcism, which make a dead professor happy and keep him out of their hair), argues with his students that who can say what is right and wrong? When they still argue, he offers to give them all A's. Whereupon one sees that it goes beyond mundane definitions of good and evil, in service of a higher truth. Bel-Shamaroth in The Colour of Magic, being an Eldritch Abomination, is described as "the opposite side of a coin where good and evil were the same side". |
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In The Adventures of Dr. McNinja, Mitzi believes this, but as an assassin-for-hire, it's more along the lines of not being picky about who signs the paycheck and then rationalising it. It's also part of the reason with her family problems with Doc, as his using Batman as a role model caused him to align himself on the Chaotic Good side instead of the family's True Neutral status. | |
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In Making Money, a professor performing a necromatic rite (an insorcism, which make a dead professor happy and keep him out of their hair), argues with his students that who can say what is right and wrong? When they still argue, he offers to give them all A's. Whereupon one sees that it goes beyond mundane definitions of good and evil, in service of a higher truth. | |
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The Man Who Was Thursday: | |
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With Strings Attached: Although the concepts of "good" and "evil" did not exist among Baravadans, their attitude is codified in The Keys Stand Alone: The Soft World when the four enter Natives Quarter to interview the skahs about what happened over the last six years on C'hou: | |
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Atomic Robo: In their third encounter with The Shadow From Beyond Time, Robo notes that the moral dilemma it creates (possessing an entire town, but leaving them just enough self-awareness that Robo can't fight them) might be mocking the notion of morals altogether. Or it could just be because he hates Robo. Like most things about the Shadow, it's not fully explained. | |
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Momonga from Overlord (2012) develops this mindset as a consequence of being so much more powerful than most of the New World and the Emotion Suppression that comes with his new lich body. He essentially loses empathy for anyone outside of Nazarick and generally regards the New World's people as lesser beings. All he cares about is expanding the glory of Nazarick. | |
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DuckTales (2017): Bradford Buzzard feels that’s a matter of perspective. For his part, he knows he's crossing the line, but to ensure there's order and that everything on the other side of the line is reined in, he'll cross it. When all is said and done, no one will brand F.O.W.L. heroes or villains, and have no right to judge them, because as far as he's concerned, the world doesn’t and can't really know them, and they never will. It was also the reason why he ordered the capture of not only all of Scrooge's family, friends and allies, but also Scrooge's hated enemies (including Magica, Glomgold and the Beagle Boys) in the finale. | |
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Tarquin in The Order of the Stick claims to be such in "Realizations & Rationalizations". Later he openly refers to himself as a villain, so it's hard to tell if he believed it at all. As the story progress it's becomes pretty clear he is too unbalanced to actually have a moral system; he simply believes in narrative roles, with him taking the villain role. It's even more hamfisted than usual, because Good and Evil are literally aspects of the universe in this setting, so he's not even debating moral ambiguity, he's either being willfully ignorant, or embracing this trope as a useful villain narrative. | |
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Ageless: The Observer is a powerful spirit who considers to be above mortal moral concepts. | |
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Rhynn and Kwll are two elder gods in the Corum series. They claim to be above the divine squabbling, and are actually unbound by the Cosmic Balance. By the end of the series, Corum gets Kwll to slaughter the entire pantheon of Chaos. Then, for good measure, Kwll decides to off all the Law gods too. | |
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Undertale has the Anomaly, a mysterious entity who has control over the world of the game by using the playable character as their puppet and via Save Scumming: in simpler words, the real person playing the game. Their detachment can be justified for the simple reason that the world they play with is just a game among many others for them, and a playthrough where everybody dies is just one of the many ways to play. That being said, if you choose a No Mercy run, the game will attempt to say that no, the Anomaly isn't above consequences. | |
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Hoax: Emily Dawson, the Ravenclaw prefect in the demigods's first year in Hogwarts, believes this. She is Circe's spy because of the knowledge that she can be bestowed from the immortal sorceress, no matter what nasty things she has to do to have it. | |
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New Gods: Darkseid likes to claim to be this, but it's quite clear that if he's not simply evil, he's a pretty good facsimile thereof. One of the nicest things about Darkseid is that he's got a sense of honor (dark and twisted though it may be), which is more than one can say of most of his minions. In the Anarky miniseries, when Anarky is trying to discover the nature of evil, Darkseid gives him the usual speech about how "good" and "evil" are questions for lesser minds and Darkseid simply is what he is. Anarky concludes that evil is a choice, but Darkseid isn't capable of moral decisions, and his answers lie with someone less limited. | |
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The Dark Knight: The Joker considers himself something like this. He seems to think that everybody in the world is a sick, twisted individual deep down, and that he's the only man brave, smart and sane enough to realize that. As such he commits and incites horrific acts to try and make people 'see the light'. Later in the film, Joker's words are "echoed" by Two-Face's apology of "blind justice". |
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In Neverwhere, Islington is so far beyond good and evil that it couldn't find it with a telescope on a clear night. | |
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Silent Hill: Implied of "the order". All discussion of good stops with the cult's description of their main god; the actions they believe s/he would have them take are usually taken without regard to good and evil. There are lesser gods and angels but no demons, although Claudia Wolf from SH3 believes in hell; and Adam Shepherd from SH: Homecoming has written didactics about things such as "righteousness and evil", "light and dark". Spelled out in Homecoming by Judge Margaret Holloway, who has revived the cult and begun killing any dissenters in Shepherd's Glen. Subverted in both the first film, since "the Brethren" were an Puritanical Christian cult; though that was retconned in the second film. |
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Harmony Theory: The murderer Charisma boasts to Rainbow Dash, "I'm not evil, hot stuff. And I'm not good, either. I'm just the best." | |
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Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War. He takes no pleasure in the killings but does not view them as vile either — they are just a means to an end: | |
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The Lord of Nightmares from the Slayers continuity is Above Good and Evil, and creator of both. She represents the primal chaos from which all things emerge, and can side with creation just as easily as with destruction. Most people are only aware of her destructive side, and consider her the Dark Lord above the Dark Lords. They don't know how often she helps Lina kill Dark Lords. | |
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Big Hero 6: The Series: Obake views himself as this. As far as he's concerned, the most important thing is the advancement of scientific knowledge, without restraints or limitations. If building a utopia of scientific research and genius means destroying all of Sanfransokyo, and everyone in it, well, that's a sacrifice worth making. It actually turns out that this is due to a brain injury he suffered in his youth that affects his moral center: he's literally incapable of telling right from wrong. Not that he's complaining, but again, that might just be the brain damage talking. | |
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Similarily, the rules for Mythic characters in Pathfinder include a Mythic path power called "beyond morality" which makes a character have no alignment and thus be immune to alignment based effects or class restrictions on alignment. | |
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1Q84: The Little People are a species of otherworldly beings whose actions cannot be judged by humanity's moral standards. This is mainly because their own moral values are so wildly different from our own. | |
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The Great Forest Spirit from Princess Mononoke. It is a nature deity of life and death, and accordingly does not ascribe to any sort of mortal thought process. It creates life and kills in equal measure and with total casualness, to the point that it's mere footsteps cause plants to spontaneously flourish and rot wherever it goes. Put simply, like nature itself, it is not benevolent or malevolent; it simply is. | |
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Shakara: When Eva Procopio confronts Overlord Cinnibar Breneka about how he could have gone from the greatest force of good in the galaxy to the greatest force of evil, he tells her that he has moved beyond such moral frameworks. | |
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Marvel Cinematic Universe: Darren Cross at the beginning of Ant-Man, when questioned about the morality of his Yellowjacket project. His response: Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War. He takes no pleasure in the killings but does not view them as vile either — they are just a means to an end: In Avengers: Endgame, Thanos drops the facade after he discovers that the Avengers are retroactively undoing his work through Time Travel, and admits he's going to destroy the Earth solely out of spite. |
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Subverted in The Outsider (2018). The titular Humanoid Abomination tries to frame itself this way, claiming it's just a predator fulfilling it's role in the ecosystem... by raping, murdering, and eating children. It never gives any real justification as to why it has to do things like this, and Holly calls it all out as what it really is; a guilt-dodging excuse. Even if it somehow really did need to eat people, there's no reason it has to target children, nor any reason for it to do so in such pointlessly brutal and sadistic ways. No matter how much the Outsider tries to pretend it's some kind of ethereal being beyond human comprehension, it's ultimately just a sexual deviant with a victim complex. | |
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The Third-party Dungeons & Dragons book Ascension (which allows you to play as gods and other super beings) has the Apostasy ability which makes one beyond alignment and thus immune to spells or effects that work based on alignment such as a paladin's holy smite or the Unholy Breath effect. | |
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Bob and George: After he blows up the fortress: | |
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In Sly 2: Band of Thieves, the Contessa says this about herself while pressing Sly to give her the MacGuffin. Sly points out that saying that makes her only less trustworthy. | |
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On The Venture Brothers, Hunter Gathers, or at least Brock Sampson's drugged-out vision of him, believes this of special agents. After actually feeling bad about killing a Mook, Brock takes drugs from Dr. Orpheus and has a hallucination of a dolphin urging him to live a life of peace. He almost gives in... and then Hunter Gathers kills the dolphin. | |
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Avatar: The Last Airbender: Wan Shi Tong, the knowledge spirit lands on the True Neutral side. He didn't care that the Gaang was looking for knowledge to stop the Fire Nation from destroying the world. To him, one war was the same as the other and the sides and reasons didn't matter. All that mattered to him was collecting knowledge and keeping that knowledge from falling into the "wrong" hands (read: anyone who actually wanted to use said knowledge for war of any kind and for any reason). He went so far as trying to trap them in the hidden library once he discovered Sokka trying to smuggle out info on when the Day of the Black Sun would occur. The Gaang tried to argue with him based on their having good intentions and a desire only to protect people. Not gonna work on someone like this. They should have tried to argue that he has a responsibility for the damage already done by those who have used his knowledge. By allowing some people to access his library, Wan Shi Tong is at least partially responsible for how that knowledge was used (ie almost destroying the entire balance of the world). An argument along those lines might have swayed him to help them or even just let them leave before sinking the library. When Avatar Aang seeks guidance from his prior incarnations, they speak along these lines. Roku doesn't tell advise for or against killing Fire Lord Ozai but to "be decisive", while Kyoshi advises him to straight up kill Ozai because he is the Avatar and it's his job to stop violent egomaniacs like Ozai. Yangchen is especially frustrating for Aang, because she says Aang has to set aside his Air Nomad pacifism in order to protect the world. |
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In the Lord Peter Wimsey book Whose Body?, Lord Peter finds this attitude a clue to the murderer. | |
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Shattered Reflection: Having the spirit of Grima, Fire Emblem: Awakening's de facto devil, inhabiting her body can occasionally have this affect whenever Rose overindulges in the major power boost such an entity can provide. | |
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Darren Cross at the beginning of Ant-Man, when questioned about the morality of his Yellowjacket project. His response: | |
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In Ghost Story, Lea says that evil is mainly an aesthetic choice. | |
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In Frozen (2013), part of Elsa the Snow Queen's "I Am Becoming" Song "Let It Go" says, "No right, no wrong, no rules for me, I'm free!" She drops this when she returns to rule Arendelle properly. | |
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In the Horus Heresy novel False Gods, Magnus the Red is determined to study the warp and gain power, because: | |
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Maim de Maim: Ryuko Kiryuin throughout the first half of the fiction was practically queen of this trope. | |
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Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V: Jack Atlas doesn't give a rat's ass about the Tops versus Commons conflict or the Academia war (though he doesn't know about the latter); nor does he care about Roget's schemes. All he cares about are good and true duelists. | |
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Runescape: Zaros, the god of Fate and Control, believes that "everything that occurs in life — both good and bad — should be used to forge oneself, to better oneself." His vision of self-actualization just happens to involve more superpowered monsters than most people would prefer, but he literally learned of the concepts of Good and Evil from a younger god and still doesn't accept them in his worldview. | |
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In Time Patrol, the instructor, describing how the Danellians (our far future descendants) insisted on the founding of the Patrol, said they were neither benevolent nor malevolent, they were so far beyond us. | |
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The Gods each embody an ideal — Stability, Knowledge, Fear, Silly Antics, and so on — and show no interest in matters of good or evil. The God of Progress sponsors both The Paladin, a renowned hero, and Malanor, the First Vampire, whose Necrocracy overran most of the world in a reign of darkness. | |
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Journey to Chaos: Neuro declares that his patron deity, Lord Death, is this. Explicitly, "Death treats all the same. From his position above good and evil, above chaos and order, only Death is truly fair; only Death is truly just". When Lord Death appears in person, he is apathetic to the concerns of mortals. The psychopomps and clerics that work for him are expected to emulate his example because they are not this by nature. | |
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In Carpe Jugulum, the sophisticated modern vampires claim good and evil are just two ways of looking at the same thing. In the next book, The Fifth Elephant, there's a Call-Back in Vimes' internal monologue: | |
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The Wizard Merklynn from Visionaries. His only desire is to see magic restored to its former prominence. As such, he doesn't care one way or the other about whether or not his agents are good or evil, so long as they perform the tasks he gives them. At the start of the series, he would also bail out whichever side needed his aid, in order to keep his agents in play (setting captured Darkling Lords free, for example). However, after one too many attempts by Darkstorm to steal his power, Merklynn decided to start letting the Darkling Lords get themselves out of trouble. He also became friendlier to the Spectral Knights over time, and took action against legitimately evil sorcerers. | |
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In In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale: the Evil Sorcerer Gallian tries to destroy the Kingdom of Ehb in order to usher in a New World Order. When someone points out that he could show his merciful side by releasing the prisoners, he explains in a Large Ham way that he's beyond such petty concepts as mercy, good, or evil. After he takes over, good will be redefined in terms of power (i.e. the more the better). He is also insane, which he doesn't try to hide. | |
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Superman: In Masters of the Universe crossover "From Eternia— With Death!", Skeletor declares he will open the gates of Castle Greyskull, even if he lacks the required magical device, because he is "above the puny laws of man and god alike". "Fate Is The Killer": Zodac is a cosmic being who declares himself to be above petty world concerns because he is neither good nor evil. |
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In The Clairvoyant Countess, the Big Bad downplays this; when asked whether he used his powers for good or for evil, he chuckles and calls it a conventional question. | |
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The Transformers (IDW): Galvatron does things that we the reader would judge as both good and bad, but in his own words he considers himself just "The only future that matters". He wants to save Cybertron but he's perfectly happy to kill, torture and brainwash to do it and he doesn't remotely care about any non-Cybertronian life. | |
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The Children of the Lamp series features the Tree of Logic, proximity to which will eliminate all senses of good and evil from a djinn (possibly a Muggle, but it's never fully explained). It's used in order to judge better, but it also eliminates all kindness, making the affected person a jerk. | |
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Delinquent Dragon Emperor: Dragons are ultimate personifications of power and freedom, bowing to no one unless they earn their respect. | |
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Dollhouse: Alpha sees himself as this, to the point of explicitly referencing Nietzsche and referring to himself as the Ubermensch. Topher in the same series appears to be in this camp, at least at first. He's not mean-spirited, he just loves the science and doesn't care much about the human implications (he does get better later on). |
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The villain in the second Gabriel Knight game says that he is above such silly distinctions such as good and evil, and that man should just embrace his animal instincts. | |
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Black Adam in Injustice 2 feels that the ideas of "good" and "evil" are changeable depending on who's in power, so he doesn't feel any regrets about the extreme measures the Regime goes to. Fair enough, as he's lived thousands of years, so as far as he's concerned, modern morality will eventually fade away, just like Ancient Egyptian morality did. | |
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My Hero Academia: All For One believes that morals and ethics are empty concepts in the face of innate desires which are an expression of a person's identity. He advises his protege to never suppress those desires. | |
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Ultraman Cosmos vs. Ultraman Justice: The Final Battle shows Justice to be this trope. It matters not what side Justice fights for, so long as he is fighting for the balance of the universe as a whole. | |
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Dragon Ball Super: King Kai describes Beerus, the God of Destruction, in these terms. When he tells Goku that Beerus tends to blow up a lot of planets, Goku immediately assumes that Beerus is evil. King Kai responds that Goku's thinking about it the wrong way: Beerus's "job" and the whole reason for his existence is to destroy things, and his destruction of things is necessary for the upholding of cosmic balance across the universe. That said, Beerus's problem is the fact that he spends most of the time he should be working sleeping and when he's awake his reasons for destroying planets are often spiteful (like because someone didn't give him good enough food). | |
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Gary Mitchell from the second Star Trek pilot follows the A God Am I variety of this: "Morals are for men, not gods." Kirk points out moments later that his own actions don't fit the definition of God quite so much as Lucifer, and that in fact Gary Mitchell is behaving as one would expect a Fallen human being to behave given free rein. | |
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Mazinger Z: Infinity: Dr. Hell acts as though he's become this since his return, and his new world-destroying plot is simply the actions of an impartial observer passing judgment on the world. Being Dr. Hell, this is just another expression of his megalomania, and when he starts losing to Koji he quickly reverts to his old self. | |
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In the Wisecrack Edition video "The Philosophy of Dragon Ball", Jared points out that the Dragon Balls and the powers they possess represent the Buddhist concept of "Emptiness", the idea that they have no inherent meaning, including inherent good or evil, but simple stores of energy that can be used for either, not unlike the blank scrolls from Journey to the West. | |
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The Elder Scrolls: Most of the various forms of deity qualify. While the mortals of Tamriel often regard the Divines as outright "Good" and some of the Daedric Princes (Azura, Meridia) as well, scholars both in-universe and out among the fandom argue that the deities follow Blue-and-Orange Morality above mortal understanding, with none wholly good or evil. The "Good" ones only seem that way because what they seek to accomplish is generally beneficial or benevolent toward mortals, while the "Evil" ones are more likely to harm mortals with their actions. For instance, Mehrunes Dagon is the Daedric Prince of Destruction, but is no more "evil" than a tidal wave or an earthquake. Of course, there's also Molag Bal, who is unambiguously cruel and evil for the sake of it. The Morag Tong, a legal assassin's guild of Professional Killers in Morrowind, consider themselves to be this, as does the Dunmeri government which sanctioned them. The Tong has a set of strict rules and a code of honor in terms of performing executions, maintaining a policy of impartiality. They were sanctioned as an alternative to the destructive Allowed Internal Wars of the Great Houses, which weaken the Dunmer overall. |
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Spelled out in Homecoming by Judge Margaret Holloway, who has revived the cult and begun killing any dissenters in Shepherd's Glen. | |
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One Piece: For most of Straw Hat Pirates, labels of "good" and "evil" generally don't matter. It's evident right from the beginning of the series, although various crew members took some time to get used to the label of "pirate". | |
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Gilgamesh from Fate/Zero describes himself as such. He is absolute. As a true king, justice is unnecessary to him. It is an interesting case as it is not necessarily considered an evil point of view, though Saber is disgusted. It might even be taken literally, as even all the world's evil is unable to corrupt such an "absolute existence". | |
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Code Geass: Emperor Charles Zi Britannia calls the war between the Black Knights and Britannia (to the rest of the characters the most important thing in the world) 'mundane matters'. He sees his attempt at killing god (the collective human consciousness), to bring forth a world unified in stagnation, as beyond such worldly concerns. | |
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The Draka: | |
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In Avengers: Endgame, Thanos drops the facade after he discovers that the Avengers are retroactively undoing his work through Time Travel, and admits he's going to destroy the Earth solely out of spite. | |
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In the Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords there is Kreia. She insists that the Dark and Light Side are merely manners of perceiving the Force and that a true master walks a balance of the two. Much like Jolee, however, she too leans more heavily towards one school of thought: The Sith. She constantly urges the player to allow suffering to continue as it will help the survivors become stronger. In the end she returns to her Sith origins and becomes the final Big Bad. | |
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This is how Merlin (yes, that Merlin) operates in his appearance in Fate/Grand Order. Everything he does is done for the sake of protecting and guiding humanity to a happy ending, and a combination of his Clairvoyance and half-incubus blood leaving him with a Lack of Empathy towards individuals means that he literally doesn't care who he needs to manipulate or use to reach that ending. He even goes as far as to state that he's the sole truly sinless person in the world, since he feels absolutely no guilt for anything he's done (well, almost anything). | |
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Warhammer 40,000 Expanded Universe: In the Blood Angels novel Deus Sanguinius, the triumph of the Chaos forces in Arkio is shown when he declares: In the Horus Heresy novel False Gods, Magnus the Red is determined to study the warp and gain power, because: |
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In Thirst (2009), Tae-ju takes this attitude to vampirism, comparing a vampire killing a human to a fox killing a chicken. | |
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Andersonville: Willie Collins, a former mob goon from New York, has adapted this philosophy while a prisoner at Andersonville. POV character Edward Blamey turns down an invitation to join Collins's gang, only to later break down and join out of desperation. Collins ruthlessly steals anything he wants from weaker prisoners. | |
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"Fate Is The Killer": Zodac is a cosmic being who declares himself to be above petty world concerns because he is neither good nor evil. | |
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Many Sith, as a matter of fact, such as Dooku and Darth Caedus in Legacy of the Force keep trying to use the Dark Side for good, but end up just becoming flat-out evil. "The Dark Side" isn't just a subset of Force powers that are deemed taboo by Jedi orthodoxynote In fact, it has very little to do with which types of powers are used. There are only a handful of Force techniques that are so inherently evil that they can only be achieved through the Dark Side., nor is it a metaphor. It's a literal malevolent force that corrupts all those who tap into it. It's also extremely addictive, so once you start using the Dark Side it's incredibly difficult to stop. Apparently, no one's gotten the memo yet, even after thousands of years. Go figure. | |
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Astral Disaster: Nebula is clearly evil, and acknowledges that what she's doing is considered evil by peveryone. But she believes the current concepts of good and evil are outdated and arbitrary, and flat-out doesn't care about what others think. | |
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The Dark Court in Wicked Lovely, as stated by Irial. Unusual in that they actually are above good and evil, due to Blue-and-Orange Morality. | |
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Out of the Corner of the Eye: Francis White and Ephraim Waite respond to Uncle's declaration that the Mythos cultists are evil by saying that they're more amoral than anything else. | |
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The Magician's Nephew: When Digory scorns Uncle Andrew for breaking a deathbed promise, Uncle Andrew scorns such things as fitting for boys but not him: Jadis talks in the same language about using the Deplorable Word. Of course, Digory promptly deconstructs the idea: |
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Amen: The Doctor remarks after witnessing a gassing that it is "quite horrible", but believes it is necessary to subdue his conscience for the sake of the ideals of Nazism. | |
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Lucy: The protagonist has her brain enhanced to the point where normal human ethics are ignored in favor of more pragmatic solutions. To keep herself grounded she seeks advice from a professor and keeps another character close as a "reminder" of her humanity. | |
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X-Men: The Animated Series: In the appropriately named "Beyond Good and Evil" four-parter, Apocalypse declares that he is "not malevolent. I simply am." Eventually, after nearly destroying the world more than once, he starts to wonder if they actually have a point about the whole "malevolent" thing. He goes right back to destruction after that, though. | |
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Sonic the Hedgehog: Sonic himself, surprisingly. It's laid out quite clearly in one of his theme songs, "It Doesn't Matter", that he cares little for the definitions of good or evil, or who is right and who is wrong in any given situation or belief; Sonic just follows his heart, doing whatever he feels is appropriate at the moment. Fortunately, his heart generally steers him in the direction of heroism, but there have been occasions where he's taken actions that clash with the "hero" perception, and he's generally completely unrepentant about them. | |
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Fairy Tail: Hades makes no distinction between "light" and "dark" magic in his pursuit of the One Magic, the root of all. His life's work involves researching the works of the Black Wizard, Zeref and his main goal is to create the "grand Magic world" where all can use magic and anyone who can't doesn't need to live, to which he sees Zeref himself as the key to achieving. Of course, it also highlights how far his own morality has decayed from the hero he used to be, especially since he believes the One Magic is truly steeped in the darkest of magics, which Makarov himself points out at the end of the Sirius Island Arc. Invel Yura and August of Alvarez's Spriggan 12 have similar views, both of them believing anyone can use "light" or "dark" magic for good or evil and that in end they're both just a source of power. Taking it even further, they are both well aware their Emperor Spriggan is in fact Zeref with all that entails, and they are still unquestionably loyal to him. |
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Blackest Night: Word of Geoff Johns says that Nekron was intended to be this. | |
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Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone: Implied when Voldemort says: "There is no good or evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it." | |
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A variation in Genome. Peter "C the 44th" Valk is a detective-spesh and is, thus, incapable of feeling any emotion but love for the law. As far as he's concerned, the law is the absolute truth. He may understand on an intellectual level the need to occasionally bend the rules, but his specialization prevents him from acting in any way that is unlawful or letting people slide for moral reasons. While investigating the brutal murder of an alien princess, Valk reveals that her people have already declared war on humanity and will be in attack range in 48 hours. Alex, one of the suspects, claims to be ready to admit to the murder in order to prevent further bloodshed. Valk refuses to accept his insincere confession, as, in his mind, he would rather have the Empire fall than to act contrary to law. He also admits that the "confession" would probably not fool the aliens, who have ways of making people speak the truth. | |
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The Childlike Empress in The Neverending Story is one of the rare heroic examples of this trope. She actually is Above Good and Evil rather than just using this trope to justify being evil. The Empress is in charge of preserving all fantasy creatures which includes vampires, demons, giant spiders, dragons, and trickster spirits just as much as unicorns and fairies. She sees all of her subjects as equally good and beautiful, and because of this, even the evil creatures are willing to help her representatives. | |
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Cobalt Core: Drake initially assumes that this is why the singularity is willing to help her despite how she's a Space Pirate mercenary who's shamelessly out for herself first and foremost. She even complains about how lame the concept is, only to be bluntly informed that her "benefactor" is only willing to help her because there are no other options — they can't leave her stranded inside the time loop without it impacting those they actually care about. | |
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In Phantom, Erik loses all sense of good and evil after realizing how easy it was to kill his Gypsy captor, and regards murder as just another art to master. | |
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The Ogres of Warhammer. Or more precisely, they're below good and evil. They have absolutely no concept of morality at all, although they may believe in Might Makes Right. To give you an idea: in their culture, iron is viewed as more valuable than gold, because with gold, you can buy an iron weapon from a merchant and lose the gold, but with an iron weapon, you can kill the merchant and then have both the weapon and all of his gold (and have him for dinner). | |
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In Final Fantasy X, Yu Yevon is described as this. He may have started off as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, but now he only exists to summon Sin. | |
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This is a major part of the Exhuman philosophy in Eclipse Phase. They believe that the Fall, the apocalyptic destruction of Earth in the fires of posthuman god-AI, proved that old-fashioned morality was obsolete, and only survival matters - so they reject considerations of good and evil in favour of survival and power. Firewall, it has to be said, is having none of it, and lists the exhumans as a potential existential risk because their survival-and-power approach invariably seems to end in someone screwing around with The Virus or stealing egos and ripping out the most interesting bits for themselves or modifying themselves into the ultimate predator and developing into a Serial Killer. | |
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Doctor Who: The original Cybermen in their first appearance had an equally chilling statement about their reasons for their actions, delivered in an utterly inhuman voice: "We Will Survive." "Rise of the Cybermen"/"The Age of Steel": John Lumic justifies his illegal creation of the Cybermen with "I am governed by greater laws, old friend. The right of a man to survive." "Hell Bent" has the Doctor take this stance thanks to a Trauma Conga Line: He is betrayed by Ashildr and his own people, the Time Lords, which inadvertently paves the way for Clara Oswald's death. From there he is tossed into a lonely torture chamber, and with no one to help him through his anguish and rage, he is Driven to Madness. As The Unfettered Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, he becomes determined to take down his captors and undo Clara's death even though the latter act risks the safety of the entire universe. At one point he declares that he's no longer accountable to anyone. Thankfully, he has a Heel Realization, is able to move past his anguish with the help of a memory wipe that removes his key physical/emotional memories of Clara, and returns to his best self. |
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Mistborn: The Original Trilogy: Ruin claims that good and evil have nothing to do with him, his counterpart Preservation, or his reason for destroying the world (it's not out of malice — it's because destroying and kill are what he does, and he literally can't do anything else if he tries.) He's not totally wrong, since if Preservation had it's way, nothing would ever change, grow, or end, essentially being locked as they are forever. Of course whether or not what Ruin is doing is technically Evil is pretty unimportant to the people currently living on the planet he intends to destroy. | |
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One of the German episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus used this as a throwaway joke line in a sketch: | |
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Subverted in both the first film, since "the Brethren" were an Puritanical Christian cult; though that was retconned in the second film. | |
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Baccano!: Afterseveral-hundred-years For Science! ambition, Huey Laforet considers that everyone and everything in this world, including his own daughter, is nothing more than components of a grand experiment, ethics be damned. Even amongst his peers he is considered the creepiest of the lot. | |
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The Arts of Dark and Light: In the world of Selenoth, this is the core of the Witchkings' philosophy. Good and Evil are, ultimately, meaningless concepts with no natural existence, invented by human imagination. A truly objective observer does not judge, but simply recognizes that which Is. | |
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She-Ra and the Princesses of Power The newest incarnation of Entrapta is this. She sees no difference in reverse engineering First Ones tech to improve her kingdom and noodling with a piece of bad tech that turns her friend into a mindless berserker. While perfectly capable of working for the Alliance, the Horde simply has more advanced technology to study, and when Hordak reveals that he's trying to make an intergalactic scale portal, this inevitably causes her to pull something of a Face–Heel Turn. 'Good' and 'Evil' are concepts that only matter when more than one person in the universe has any value, and Horde Prime is openly contemptuous of them as the preoccupation of lesser beings. |
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In the Blood Angels novel Deus Sanguinius, the triumph of the Chaos forces in Arkio is shown when he declares: | |
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The Sovereign of Sorrow in Captain SNES: The Game Masta is described as this once, but it's unclear whether this is because she actually is, or because the character speaking is simply a video game sprite with an incredibly simplistic view of what evil is. | |
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True Blood: Argued. A lot of vampires would agree with Godric's claim "There is no right or wrong. These are human notions. There's only death or survival." He himself renounces this idea finally. | |
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In RefleX, once the ZODIAC Ophiuchus is activated, it throws away the concept of good and evil and only believes in one thing; ZODIAC Annihilation. | |
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The Golden Oecumene: In The Phoenix Exultant, the Nothing agent declares that it is above good and evil. | |
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In Masters of the Universe crossover "From Eternia— With Death!", Skeletor declares he will open the gates of Castle Greyskull, even if he lacks the required magical device, because he is "above the puny laws of man and god alike". | |
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The Riftwar Cycle: The Valheru claim to be this, though if they belong here or in Always Chaotic Evil is up for some debate. Draken-Korin describes Valheru morality thus: | |
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In Big Wolf on Campus, Death makes it quite he's nothing more than a gatherer of souls, no more no less. He doesn't care if anyone is good or evil, or if they "deserve" to live or die, or anything beyond gathering the souls he's been tasked to acquire. When Tommy saves an elderly man from Death assuming the reaper was a mere mugger, Death comes after Tommy's not out of revenge, but because he's owed one soul and feels that by depriving Death of what he's owed it's only fair that Tommy repay him. He's easily swayed to let Tommy live, but only if he gets to take Merton's soul instead: as long as he gathers the number of souls he's owed he's happy. | |
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In The Gamer's Alliance, the Godslayer considers itself above other creatures, sees gods as relics of the past which must be wiped out, feels good and evil are needless concepts, uses its acolytes to spread prosperity and a new world order, and wishes to increase its knowledge by any means necessary. In its views the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, even if that means sacrificing many innocents along the way. | |
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Star Wars Legends: There's a Jedi heresy called Potentium built around the idea that the dark side doesn't exist. Traditional Jedi suspect it was started by the Sith to corrupt them. Vergere from New Jedi Order took it even further, believing that not only is there no dark side, but that there's no light side either. As she sees it, the Force simply is, and morality doesn't enter into it at all. Gray Jedi are a milder example. They don't necessarily believe that good and evil don't exist, but Gray Jedi of varying backgrounds and species do reject the Jedi Council's dogmatic view of the Force and explore both the dark and light side. The Darth Gravid was essentially the Sith equivalent of a Gray Jedi: he sought to use both the light and dark sides. His apprentice, however, saw this as heresy and killed him. Dooku might be considered another example of this in that he seems to want the Jedi to open themselves to the dark side and rule the Republic unhindered by the Senate or any other corrupt bureaucracy, believing that the dark side could be used to positive effect if one was just in one's heart, especially as depicted in the Dark Horse comics. Then again, given that he's a Bad Boss and flat-out villain with very, very few Pet the Dog moments, he's not exactly practicing what he preaches there. Many Sith, as a matter of fact, such as Dooku and Darth Caedus in Legacy of the Force keep trying to use the Dark Side for good, but end up just becoming flat-out evil. "The Dark Side" isn't just a subset of Force powers that are deemed taboo by Jedi orthodoxynote In fact, it has very little to do with which types of powers are used. There are only a handful of Force techniques that are so inherently evil that they can only be achieved through the Dark Side., nor is it a metaphor. It's a literal malevolent force that corrupts all those who tap into it. It's also extremely addictive, so once you start using the Dark Side it's incredibly difficult to stop. Apparently, no one's gotten the memo yet, even after thousands of years. Go figure. |
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The Bridge: Despite being an Omnicidal Maniac who completely rejects concepts like love, friendship, and mercy, Bagan proclaims that he's not evil, he's extinction, and extinction is inevitable. This is possibly the reason why he was able to shatter a chain that grows stronger the more evil the prisoner is. | |
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Doctor Fate: The titular character sometimes slips into this. Depending on the Writer, he's concerned solely with maintaining the balance between Order and Chaos (in some takes on the character, he's actually a Lord of Order, so sometimes this isn't so much a matter of "balance" for its own sake and more a case of "we can't let Chaos win"). It's perhaps best seen in Young Justice (2010). | |
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Blood Meridian: Judge Holden criticizes morality as being "an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak" and ultimately irrelevant next to "historical law." It's implied that this is why he survives the story (beyond the potential supernatural reasons): His total lack of a moral compass allows him to devote himself to violence without compromising his sanity, while everyone around him snaps. | |
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In the Count to the Eschaton novel Count to a Trillion, Menelaus asks whether they are going to teach post-humans morals, and gets the answer that they would be above it — it would make no more sense than preaching monogamy to bees or vegetarianism to lions. | |
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Fantastic Four: Galactus is a Planet Eater who often uses this justification; he (and other Cosmic Beings of the Marvel Universe) claim that he will one day do something that more than makes up for the uncounted trillions of deaths he causes, which sort of falls under Take Our Word for It, since you'd have to wait billions of years to find out what that is. Galactus has always been treated not as a villain, but as a force of nature who really is above good and evil and takes no pleasure in consuming worlds. One more recent explanation is that there is an Omnicidal Maniac Eldritch Abomination for which he is the seal, so if he doesn't get enough energy to keep the seal up, the entire multiverse gets destroyed — and the only great enough source of calories is planets. An earlier explanation is that he's the Big Crunch, and at the end of everything, he will explode into a Big Bang, creating the next universe. The part of him that is still Galan denies that he is this. In one storyline when he was depowered, Galan decided that he had to do his best to delay his inevitable merging with the Power Cosmic for as long as possible. The reason Galactus has Heralds is to find suitable planets for him to consume, but they also serve to warn the residents that Galactus is coming. In theory, this allows those who are able to leave to stage an evacuation. Except that some of his Heralds turn out to be more than a little crazy, such as the extreme nihilist Stardust (whose policy is to kill anyone who tries to flee). Another interpretation is that the Heralds are supposed to find him life-bearing but unoccupied planets to eat. This poses a problem (at least in the regions near Earth) in that there are at least three civilizations that span entire galaxies in the neighborhood, and interstellar travel is so easy that even Earth has multiple interstellar vehicles of local manufacture. |
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The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: The author notes that the three Ravers, Lord Foul's lieutenants believe that by becoming immortal possessing spirits they transcended all moral restraints (their true, personal names- Moksha, Turiya, and Samadhi are a Bilingual Bonus reflecting their mistaken belief in their own enlightenment). Furthermore, Donaldson seems to consider this a trait of truly evil people in general, and notes that even Foul himself has shades of it. | |
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Charmed had the Angel of Death call out Prue on her initial belief that he's inherently evil because of what he does, pointing out that some magical beings aren't good or evil, they just are. The Avatars see themselves this way, believing that they don't have to limit themselves to choosing between "good" or "evil". In reality, their plan is to brainwash people into being happy with everything and kill anyone who causes conflict. The Charmed Ones initially side with them, out of desire for a peaceful life, but turn on them and side with a demon after realising that free will and a full range of emotion (even negative ones) is more important. |
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In Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance the protagonist and his named enemies show good amount of it, though for different reasons: Mistral plainly does not have strong attachments; Monsoon is a Straw Nihilist; Sam claims to have justice as his reasons, but has no issues with collateral damage or temporary teaming with bad guys to wait for a proper moment to strike back; Armstrong is a Social Darwinist; and Raiden is nicknamed "Jack the Ripper" for a reason. However, probably only Monsoon is the pure example of this trope — others do have a sense of right and wrong, even if it is not the same as the social norm. | |
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The Babylon 5 Direct-To-DVD movie The Lost Tales featured a discussion between a Catholic priest and Colonel Lochley about why God allows evil to exist if he is all-good and all-powerful. The priest points out that, God being all-powerful and the lord over all creation, it stands to reason that he is neither good nor evil, but rather that both good and evil are tools that he uses in ways beyond the comprehension of mere mortals to guide the universe. | |
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Altair, according to the Grand Unifying Guesses: "(Altair) serves a higher power now. One that transcends the notions of race, gender and any concept of good and evil." | |
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A mad scientist supervillain in Mighty Max turns his de/evolutionary ray gun on himself to increase his evolutionary level. The first time, he turned into a large brained psychic. When he returns for another episode, he turns it on himself again and turns into a multicolored orb of "pure thought". He uses it a third time and starts babbling about "ultimate knowledge" and "hearing the music" before flying off. Wise fowl-man Virgil proclaims that he has "evolved towards the infinite, far beyond such primitive concepts like good and evil", which is funny considering Virgil is firmly on the "good" side. | |
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The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye: Shockwave falls under the science-minded aspect. He was one of the few good higher class mechs and scientists, who strove to improve the lives of everyone and stop the energy crisis. He then had his emotions removed and his body mutilated by an enemy, he lost all of his empathy with it. Now Shockwave doesn't believe in good, nor evil, just logic. As such he feels no altruism nor malice. In The Transformers: Robots in Disguise he admits his goal is to create renewable energy and save the planet, all other mechs are raw materials or a means to an end. In The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots, Grimlock's cost him a few million years of his time, Scorponok's blown off a piece of his chest and the Humans have tried to blow him up; when he outmaneuvers all of them, he doesn't go for revenge or even kill anyone, he just leaves because he just doesn't care. His actions in the present have him creating an Ore which can resurrect cybertronians, and with it he turns life and death into mere data for him to manipulate. | |
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Transformers: The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye: Shockwave falls under the science-minded aspect. He was one of the few good higher class mechs and scientists, who strove to improve the lives of everyone and stop the energy crisis. He then had his emotions removed and his body mutilated by an enemy, he lost all of his empathy with it. Now Shockwave doesn't believe in good, nor evil, just logic. As such he feels no altruism nor malice. In The Transformers: Robots in Disguise he admits his goal is to create renewable energy and save the planet, all other mechs are raw materials or a means to an end. In The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots, Grimlock's cost him a few million years of his time, Scorponok's blown off a piece of his chest and the Humans have tried to blow him up; when he outmaneuvers all of them, he doesn't go for revenge or even kill anyone, he just leaves because he just doesn't care. His actions in the present have him creating an Ore which can resurrect cybertronians, and with it he turns life and death into mere data for him to manipulate. |
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Daijinryuu from Gosei Sentai Dairanger is this trope incarnate. It is a giant godly dragon sent created by the universe to maintain order and balance. When the battle between the good Dairangers and evil Gorma Tribe threatens said balance, Daijinryuu goes to earth to enforce it. This being makes no distinctions between good and evil and would even wipe out humanity to restore balance. | |
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Rock and Rule: Mok summons an Eldritch Abomination to slaughter tons of people because his last concert didn't totally sell out. When Zip, his childish and obliviously innocent henchman, watches an Uncle Mikey cartoon about how you should be good instead of evil, he asks Mok if what they're doing is evil. Mok's response is to say they've grown beyond such concerns. | |
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Whoever wrote the opening cinematic of Garou: Mark of the Wolves seems to believe this: | |
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Star Trek: The Next Generation: Q has some kind of point to make generally but it doesn't make sense in any conventional morality, and he imposes his tests on Picard mainly because he can. He is another who trends towards Neutrality. | |
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In the third season of Cobra Kai, flashbacks to his Vietnam War days reveal this to be at the heart of Kreese's character. Driven home when he learns that his girlfriend's death was covered up by his commanding officer. | |
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