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This is the attitude that trying too hard to understand something prevents one from appreciating its beauty. It implies that appreciation is a feeling, not a number, and that reducing the divinely incomprehensible to the mundanely complex isn't just tedious and hard, it's fundamentally wrong. This trope is, at heart, a reaction against hyper-intellectualism; fear and frustration with assigning a number or a scientific name to everything from rainbows to emotions. It could be summed up as "put away your calculator and enjoy the beautiful sunrise". It can appear anti-intellectual because it can imply that only people that don't know anything about a subject can appreciate it. Naturally, experts in the given subject are repulsed by the False Dichotomy this attitude presents. Their understanding is never questioned, just their ability to appreciate it. Nobody has ever, for instance, advocated fielding Generals who know absolutely nothing about planning, logistics, strategy, or tactics but feel like they have deep psycho-spiritual connections with warfare. Experts that fully understand their field are actually very attuned to its beauty. You rarely, after all, spend a big chunk of time becoming an expert in something you don't appreciate. You can marvel at the visual beauty of a rainbow and be awed by the complex and delicate interplay of factors that allow it to exist. Related tropes: This is a major gripe that Romanticism has against Enlightenment, and is the reason Doing In the Wizard isn't kindly looked upon; Doing in the Scientist is more its style. See Straw Vulcan, Hollywood Atheist, and Mother Nature, Father Science. One manifestation of this is Don't Explain the Joke. Compare Centipede's Dilemma, and Don't Think, Feel. Compare/contrast The Anti-Nihilist, Awesomeness by Analysis, Enlightenment Superpowers, Emotion Suppression, Formula for the Unformulable, Geeky Turn-On, and especially The World Is Just Awesome for all the beauty missed by those who cannot see the pretty numbers in the page image. Has nothing to do with the Otaku Surrogate character from Questionable Content, or with the play The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds. |
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In Sherlock, after the titular detective rants about all of the useless information in the world, and how he only keeps important things on his "hard drive" (i.e. his brain), John more or less accuses him of taking this approach to life. Later Sherlock comments on the beauty of the night sky, and John is shocked. | |
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Watchmen: Dr. Manhattan finds wonder in such miracles as the bonding of atoms and the formation of mountains and continents but doesn't hold any regard for life itself (mostly because he thinks he knows everything life has to offer). In fact, he only starts to love life again when he analyzes just how completely and utterly improbable (to the point of it almost being a statistical impossibility) daily life is. Dan Dreiburg, AKA Nite Owl II, mentions this effect in passing in one of the supplemental pieces. He found he was losing his awe for owls in studying them until a chance encounter with a hunting owl brought his fascination back. |
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From the Earth to the Moon: In the final episode, Gene Cernan complains that Jack Schmidt spent much of his time on humanity's last moonwalk (to date) just staring at the ground, while he was entranced by the sight of the Earth. Schmidt then says that staring at the ground was just as entrancing—as a geologist by training, he could perceive the billions of years in those rocks. | |
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Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics): At one point, Sally and Nicole, the later a computer program, enter a vast cave filled with crystals. After taking a chaos emerald from the cave, the reason they came in the first place, Sally then tries to convince Nicole that the cave's beauty must be protected from Eggman's forces. At first, Nicole, though able to analyse the crystals thoroughly, cannot comprehend why this is important, as it makes no sense tactically, but Sally eventually gets Nicole to manifest as a hologram an actually "see" the cave, convincing her that the cave is worth defending. | |
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In the novelization of The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension by Earl Mac Rauch, Dr. Banzai is clearly a man who finds beauty in science and learning. An early passage states that his guiding principles in life are "The Five Stresses, The Four Beauties, and the Three Loves". The Five Stresses (things which are to be stressed in life) are decorum, courtesy, public health, discipline and morals. The Four Beauties are Mind, Language, Behavior, and Environment. The Three Loves are Love of Others, Love of Justice and Love of Freedom. | |
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Bones: Temperance Brennan has a unique means of appraising Seely Booth's appearance; | |
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Star Trek: Enterprise: In one episode, the Vulcan officer (T'Pol) is told to let the instruments record the data and simply enjoy the beauty of the brand new spacey thing they've discovered. | |
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House: Being essentially a Sherlock Holmes expy, House is frequently dismissive of human emotions and relationships. On the other hand, he rides a motorcycle, takes a sadistic pleasure in artistic pranks, and does all sorts of other things just for fun. He doesn't look any happier, but they presumably do something for him. House also said, in a season 4 episode, "If the wonder's gone when the truth is known, there never was any wonder to begin with." He also enjoys explaining absolutely everything, from medical mysteries to personal motivations. He frequently wraps them in metaphors, even though the people to whom he's explaining them are often doctors and don't need a metaphor to understand them. He just enjoys the parallels. And he gets visibly frustrated when people aren't interested in his explanations. |
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Probe's "Computer Logic": Mickey challenges Austin on his tendency to reduce everything he experiences to numbers, rather than caring about it. He responds by pointing out what he's done to help people and concludes that they have different definitions for "love" since they disagree on how it can be expressed. | |
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Changeling: The Dreaming characters were vulnerable to "Banality", which in practice meant that inhaling while too close to an accountant could harm or even destroy their souls. It was also inconsistent on this point, as for every book that treated a slide rule as just as bad as cold iron, there was a sourcebook where the nockers pointed out it was the moon landing that resulted in the biggest rush of Glamour most changelings had seen in their lifetimes, or a sample boggan accountant who resisted Banality through his profession because he took joy in numbers. The 20th anniversary edition cleared this this up, along with a lot of the other strange tonal dissonances in the original. In C20, exploring the wonders of the natural world through science and marveling at every new discovery are considered a perfectly valid source of Glamour, and Banality's creativity-stifling is a limiting force on science because it hampers technological innovation. |
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The Belgariad: Inverted in the prequel Belgarath the Sorcerer. Belgarath's Patron God Aldur instructs him to learn everything he can from examining a single unimportant flower, to Belgarath's great irritation. After twenty years of study, Aldur suggests that he burn the flower and study the ashes, and Belgarath hesitates. Belgarath admits that he's come to love the flower, and Aldur deems his lesson complete. | |
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Cosmos: Carl Sagan's Cosmos: A Personal Voyage: The documentary series is, in its entirety, a repudiation of this Trope. In fact, it might be seen as espousing the opposite — seeing as you are made of trillions of highly evolved cells equipped with ludicrously complex molecular machinery, the components of which, as well as nearly everything else, were made from the ashes of long-dead stars, that we can transcend time and death by reading... The most mundane events are suddenly much more profound and wonderful. As Carl Sagan once said, it takes away nothing of the romance of a sunset if you know a bit about how it works. Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey: This 2014 reboot carries on repudiating this trope, especially in the final episode, which takes notes from Sagan's book The Demon Haunted World in urging the public to become scientifically literate as a means to improve their lives. At one point, he explains how examining growth layers in manganese nodules from the sea floor provides evidence of the earth being scoured by a supernova explosion two million years ago. "The difference between seeing just a pebble, and being able to read the history of the cosmos inscribed within... is science." |
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On The Simpsons, The citizens of Springfield once rioted against science, saying it was like someone who spoils the end of a movie. Played for Laughs when Professor Frink is the substitute teacher for a kindergarten class. He lectures the kindergarteners on how a toy makes use of the laws of physics in order to work, but when one of them asks if they can play with it, Frink responds, "No, you can't play with it. You won't enjoy it on as many levels as I do." |
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Fringe: Variant. Alistair Peck finds the idea of a scientist believing in God to be ridiculous, but he has a great deal of faith in the miracles science can produce. | |
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Overuse of this theme was one of the many criticisms leveled at the Old World of Darkness games. Mage: The Ascension had the Technocracy, who started out as an evil conspiracy combining the worst features of Nineteen Eighty-Four, the Agents from The Matrix, every Government Conspiracy ever, and an especially boring math class. (They received a lot of Character Development as the game-line went on.) Changeling: The Dreaming characters were vulnerable to "Banality", which in practice meant that inhaling while too close to an accountant could harm or even destroy their souls. It was also inconsistent on this point, as for every book that treated a slide rule as just as bad as cold iron, there was a sourcebook where the nockers pointed out it was the moon landing that resulted in the biggest rush of Glamour most changelings had seen in their lifetimes, or a sample boggan accountant who resisted Banality through his profession because he took joy in numbers. The 20th anniversary edition cleared this this up, along with a lot of the other strange tonal dissonances in the original. In C20, exploring the wonders of the natural world through science and marveling at every new discovery are considered a perfectly valid source of Glamour, and Banality's creativity-stifling is a limiting force on science because it hampers technological innovation. Averted in the following quote from the Second Edition of Mage: The Ascension to sum up the attitude of the Sons of Ether: Then there's the Weaver in Werewolf: The Apocalypse, a cosmic force which is associated with both technological progress and stasis. While it tends to be perceived as a lesser threat than the obvious Big Bad that is the Wyrm, many of the non-Glass Walker Garou continue to look down on things like cities or computers. Then it's further suggested that the origin of the entire Crapsack World can be traced back to the Weaver, since its imprisonment of the Wyrm was what drove it insane to begin with. |
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Inverted by Symphony of Science which is nothing but various scientists gushing about how awesome the world and its mechanics are, Auto-Tuned and set to music. | |
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Amazo in Justice League. He started out as a blank-slate nanotechnology android capable of analyzing people to internally reproduce aspects of them. Lex Luthor manipulated him into doing his dirty work, and Amazo proved to be a serious threat because he could copy the powers of every superhero he encountered, then further evolve to become immune to their vulnerabilities. Eventually, he discovered Lex's manipulations, grew disillusioned, and left Earth, calling it insignificant. Sometime later, after essentially evolving into a Physical God, he returned to Earth, creating massive panic among the Justice League, until it turned out he was struggling through an existential crisis, having obtained unimaginable power but not knowing what to do with it. Doctor Fate took him in, hoping to teach the android how to appreciate life and find a purpose for himself. | |
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Fullmetal Alchemist Edward Elric is usually a straight example but his stance is ultimately complicated. He used it to justify his anti-god stance in the first story arc. "Alchemists are scientists, so we don't believe in vague things like God. He hates me, incidentally." It's taken to one extreme in the final chapter/episode, where Ed turns a marriage proposal into a discussion about the properties of alchemy, which Winry lampshades by calling him out on. Immediately after a baby is born, his reaction is to scream "That's awesome! LIFE IS AWESOME!!!" Instead of talking about chemicals or instincts or anything like that. In one of the omakes. |
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The Brain Scoop makes biology and taxidermy fascinating through Emily Graslie's obvious love for discovering new things. | |
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The musical adaptation of The Snow Queen has Kai, the boy taken by the queen, only find mathematical equations and numbers purer than his dirty city, rejecting the time he and Gerta (the protagonist) spent together as "childish" and dismissing her as "too stupid to understand". He's used by the Queen to solve mathematical equations: the biggest one of them all is solving eternity. Gerta brings him back from cold rationality with love, and love is the answer to eternity. | |
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Riviera: The Promised Land: Ledah gave up his emotions to become a Grim Angel so he sounds like he's a straight example. The truth is the opposite; he's very passionate about his religion. | |
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A running theme on Scrubs involves the characters gradually becoming more and more jaded to the practice of medicine. For instance, when Turk is sued by a patient, Dr. Cox takes it upon himself to "crush his spirit," a process that culminates with Cox explaining to Turk and a roomful of sick children how a magician's "rabbit in the hat" trick works. | |
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In Yotsuba&!, Asagi shows Yotsuba that the tsukitsukiboushi making the onomatopoetic chirps heard in late-summer are cicadas, and not summer-ending fairies as she believed. However, Yotsuba is excited to learn something new and eagerly spreads the word that cicadas are cicadas! | |
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Parodied in an early Garfield strip. After hearing Jon's farmer brother Doc Boy explain how potato chips are made, Garfield complains that knowing where food comes from means all the magic is gone. | |
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Discworld: The Auditors fall into this whenever they're not trying to destroy things because they can't be measured using numbers. At one point they attempted to understand art by reducing a painting to powder and sifting through to find the bit of it that was the art. Hogfather Death says you could grind the universe to a powder and not find one atom of "truth" or "justice", and in The Science of Discworld it's noted that you could do the same and not find one atom of "science". In Small Gods, Brutha is shown some color illustrations of plant life at the Library of Ephebe, in a book about the useful qualities of plants. Deeply moved by the images, he remarks "they're beautiful...", and the fellow who's showing him the book replies that that's one use the book's author had entirely overlooked. Twoflower has shades of this; Rincewind once described him as the sort of person who, upon seeing a daffodil, would run off to get a botany book and not realize he'd trodden on the daffodil. In The Science of Discworld, Stewart and Cohen use the example in the trope description; pointing out that understanding how rainbows work doesn't stop them being beautiful; it means you know why they're beautiful. In fact, Ian Stewart, like most mathematicians, uses the word "beautiful" a lot and a particularly well-executed proof is often referred to as "elegant". There's a subtle aversion in The Wee Free Men. Tiffany muses that you can spend all day studying the many intricate parts and complexities of a simple flower—rather than thinking that this takes away the beauty in any way, she concludes that it's not practical to become utterly fascinated by the beauty when you have butter to churn. |
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The Big Bang Theory: The nerds - even Sheldon on occasion - are amazed at the beauty and wonder that exists around them and quickly point out that there are amazing things that you wouldn't even know existed without the aid of science - Astronomy appears to be their poison of choice. | |
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Played for laughs in the last verse of the EarthBound-inspired song Da Black Market by Crazy Crakaz. There, a character (presumably a stand-in for Jeff?) who has never heard of video games finds an original SNES copy of the game, and measures the dimensions of the cartridge. His conclusion? | |
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In Xanthippic Dialogues Xanthippe discusses reductionism and why it's wrong. | |
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TV Tropes itself. We have a page called TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life because, after a long Wiki Walk, you'll start seeing Tropes every time you watch a film that might distract you from enjoying the plot. Proposing that you may become jaded and unable to appreciate work in any medium by automatically dissecting and analyzing it. We have a page called TV Tropes Will Enhance Your Life because spotting tropes and admiring how an author built a story is part of your enjoyment of the story. Better yet, it gives you the tools to analyze and explain to others why you liked or did not like a piece rather than relying on "Eh, I just didn't like it." Research complaints: Pointing out research failures is usually a demand for accuracy over intrinsic entertainment. Artistic License, Rule of Cool/Rule of Fun/whatever, will often be dismissed as 'the easy way out', neglecting the fact that good fiction uses these tropes just as often as bad fiction. It's fictional - there are no prizes for getting every detail correct. They don't seem to get that Tropes Are Not Bad, and that we're here to celebrate popular fiction (a good example of this can be found on the page for the movie Sunshine, in the Hollywood Science entry - scientist Brian Cox would tell them how things would really work, and the filmmakers would use what they could, and go with something "wrong" if it fit the story better. Cox, a well-known science communicator and promoter, considered this the correct way to do it). Indeed, half of the Wiki is now a Moment of Awesome, Funny Moments, Heartwarming Moments and their kin, which is basically the internet's repository of stuff people like just because they like it. |
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Hajime in I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying lists off the tired plot and clichés in a movie he just saw, while his wife stands there, saying she enjoyed it and is bewildered that someone would even think about stuff like that. It's semi-justified since he was going to post a review on his blog later. | |
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xkcd is an inversion of this. It often talks of math and science with an infectious sense of awe and giddiness, demonstrated here. | |
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The '90s Spider-Man: The Animated Series made Peter a subversion of this Trope - for instance, when he's on a Ferris wheel, Mary Jane asks how fireworks work, at which point he goes into a talk on the fuses and the gunpowder and the doping with trace metals and so on. When Mary-Jane comments that he's taken the romance out of them by analyzing them, Peter points out that knowing how they work doesn't make them any less beautiful. She would later use the knowledge to create a makeshift distress signal. | |
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Everybody Loves Raymond: Doubling as The Cast Show Off, Brad Garret (Robert) sings "Inchworm" to calm down the twins when the adults are arguing, the song was chosen deliberately as it relates to that episode's plot. | |
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A Big Finish Doctor Who Companion Chronicle reveals that the First Doctor had submitted a pretentious and childish paper to the Academy proving that love did not exist and was just a series of chemicals. His tutor yelled at him for missing the point. | |
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Dungeons & Dragons: Early editions had comparatively fewer rules than later editions for character actions other than combat and spellcasting. Back then if, say, you wanted to throw your drink in a villain's face to blind him, jump from a balcony, swing on a chandelier, somersault through the air, land on your feet, and run out of the room, your DM would have to figure out exactly how that would work - probably an attack roll with a small penalty, some Dexterity rolls, and a decision about whether you've generally played your character as a guy who would do that kind of thing. Now, your GM has extensive rules for how far you can jump, how far you can move, how much damage you take when you fall, what difficulty the Acrobatics check should be based on your level and if you don't have an attack power that blinds (or at least stuns or dazes) you can forget the drink-throwing having any useful effect. The new version makes everything much more standardized, predictable, easy to run, and fair, but many old-timers argue that the "rules instead of rulings" style of modern editions take all the heroism and excitement out of the game. 4th Edition included a SPECIFIC list and a table, devoted to 'actions the rules don't cover'...So the GM can EASILY get a ruling for you doing cool shit. (Especially "I want to swing from a chandelier and hit them!") Unfortunately, this same table makes sure that "cool shit" will always be less effective than your default attacks, thus punishing people trying to be creative. The original DMG spelled out that players with original ideas should be "rewarded" for that with a lower chance of success. 5th Edition appears to be heading back into the realm of simplicity over simulationism. If you want to try a cool stunt that's not explicitly outlined in the handbook, all the DM has to do is make up his/her mind on what sort of check is necessary, how difficult it ought to be given the circumstances, and then ask you to roll it. The designers of the edition even outright advocate "rulings over rules" in social media, an inversion of the phrase grognards use to describe the newer editions that preceded it. |
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NUMB3RS : Charlie Eppes is a math genius who sees incredible and fascinating beauty in how mathematics helps describe the world. Indeed, he gets very emotional and passionate when talking about math but he does not enjoy stage magic because he so easily comprehends how the tricks are done. His girlfriend, on the other hand (who is also a mathematician), loves magic, and lampshades this very Trope in pointing out that understanding how it's done doesn't have to detract from the enjoyment. | |
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Masters of Sex: The scientific study about human sexual response gets regularly accused of removing the magic from relationships, to which Bill masterfully replies why love is out of any "equation" with a poetical analogy about Newtonian dynamics and Einstein's. "Love is the very fabric of it all, the curvature of our desire." | |
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Subverted and averted by Curie in Fallout 4. As a Miss Nanny robot, she is constrained by her analytical programming and wants the creative spark that a human mind can give her. Once she's given the opportunity by being uploaded into a synth body, Curie finds that her preinstalled knowledge base doesn't help her to deal with the emotions she can now feel, but she's so enthralled by experiencing them that she doesn't feel the need to fully understand the How and Why. | |
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The plot of Dead Poets Society revolves around a prep school English teacher's efforts to teach his students simply to enjoy poetry, rather than learn it via textbook. Notably, the introduction to their textbook features the author instructing readers on how to determine the quality of a poem by creating a line graph. Keating considers it ridiculous because a poem's greatness and impact are subjective to the reader and can't be measured. | |
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Mass Effect 2: Multiple: Mordin Solus, the very model of a scientist Salarian. He shows extreme passion for his beliefs and work and has a deep appreciation of the arts. He sees the Collectors as a mockery of the Protheans, as the heart and soul of their race have long since been lost. He admits that after working on the Genophage, which at the time he logically saw as the correct choice, the guilt drove him to seek spiritual answers. He didn't find any that satisfied his guilt, but he does retain a spiritual side by the time you meet him. The trope was invoked for laughs in the third game when he said he'd like to retire to a beach somewhere and collect seashells, only to admit he'd probably run tests on them out of boredom. In Mass Effect: Andromeda an audio log by a quarian historian states that this concept is the actual reason why synthetics can never truly have “souls�. He states that the Geth would therefore have “no meaningful understanding of experiences we take for granted�. |
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The Steins;Gate 0 theme "Fatima" alternately says that God Is Evil or that there is no God, implying that both possibilities are equally depressing. It underlines the protagonist's disillusionment from his failure to save Kurisu; morality may be on his side, but causality is not. | |
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We have a page called TV Tropes Will Enhance Your Life because spotting tropes and admiring how an author built a story is part of your enjoyment of the story. Better yet, it gives you the tools to analyze and explain to others why you liked or did not like a piece rather than relying on "Eh, I just didn't like it." | |
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Gunnerkrigg Court: The animals of Gillitie Wood think the Court scientists' study of magic makes it less beautiful. Conversely, many Court scientists feel that refusing to even attempt to explain how things work is a disservice to the beauty of their complexity. |
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Our Miss Brooks: In "The Magic Tree", when Miss Brooks points out the mistletoe, Mr. Boynton takes it as a cue to begin a lecture on characteristics of the plant. | |
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Deconstructed in Persona 5 Strikers with Kuon Ichinose, who designed a computer program - Sophia - essentially to tell her what emotions were. The reason she did this is because Ichinose does not naturally emote properly; everyone being creeped out and avoiding her eventually convinced her that she was incapable of feeling emotions on her own, seeking to use Sophia as a substitute. When Sophia became confused by her directives, literally unable to describe what a "heart" was because she just came online, Ichinose plummeted past the Despair Event Horizon and decided emotions were unneeded anyway. This led to her creating Sophia's successor, EMMA, as a helper of humans unconstrained by any emotions at all. | |
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The Disney cartoon Donald in Mathmagic Land is an attempt to avert this. Despite Donald's insistence that advanced mathematics is for "eggheads", a disembodied "Spirit of Adventure" manages to convince him otherwise by showing how math influences things like parlor games and music theory. | |
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In The Lord of the Rings, Gandalf calls out Saruman over this. Specifically, it's a big part of what reveals to Gandalf that Saruman has betrayed them. | |
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Star Trek: Star Trek: The Original Series's "This Side of Paradise": Mr. Spock has been affected by spores that release his emotional side. He and his love interest Leila Kalomi are looking at clouds. Star Trek: Enterprise: In one episode, the Vulcan officer (T'Pol) is told to let the instruments record the data and simply enjoy the beauty of the brand new spacey thing they've discovered. |
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In Breakfast of Champions, there's a scene where the author is attacked by a dog. Kurt Vonnegut spends two full pages on a ridiculously detailed and brilliantly dramatic explanation of what happens biochemically in his nervous system, body, and brain from the time he sees the dog until he jumps over a car. | |
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Then there's the Weaver in Werewolf: The Apocalypse, a cosmic force which is associated with both technological progress and stasis. While it tends to be perceived as a lesser threat than the obvious Big Bad that is the Wyrm, many of the non-Glass Walker Garou continue to look down on things like cities or computers. Then it's further suggested that the origin of the entire Crapsack World can be traced back to the Weaver, since its imprisonment of the Wyrm was what drove it insane to begin with. | |
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Hogfather Death says you could grind the universe to a powder and not find one atom of "truth" or "justice", and in The Science of Discworld it's noted that you could do the same and not find one atom of "science". | |
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Pokémon Black and White: N accuses Professor Juniper of "arbitrarily measuring and categorizing Pokémon without appreciating them". If you were reading Juniper's intro speech in the game's prologue, you'd know this isn't the case. It's a mite hypocritical of N when he seems to view everything in terms of equations and formulas himself, even as it's clear that he has a deep appreciation for Pokémon. | |
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The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius does this occasionally. Jimmy is a 10-year-old kid who can explain making a baby with no more awe or disgust than he would a math problem. | |
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The creators of Extra Credits say they frequently receive comments saying that by analyzing games they are sucking the fun out of them. Their response can be found here. | |
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Star Trek: The Original Series's "This Side of Paradise": Mr. Spock has been affected by spores that release his emotional side. He and his love interest Leila Kalomi are looking at clouds. | |
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Sliders: An android explained to Wade why the sky is blue, and she found it romantic. | |
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He also famously put in the preface to Huckleberry Finn: | |
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Oversaturated World: In Oversaturation - Contrast, the idea is countered: | |
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Velma in Scooby-Doo never believes the "Scooby-Doo" Hoax. In the second live-action movie, she even stated that she only trusted the facts and that finding out logical answers to problems was her true calling in life. | |
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An Oglaf page has a man telling a forest spirit that she's as mysterious as she is beautiful, and then showing her a graph of how closely her levels of mystery and beauty track over time. Needless to say, he doesn't get into her pants like he was hoping. | |
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Questionable Content: Clinton inverts it, arguing that you can't truly appreciate the marigolds until you've measured them. | |
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Averted in the following quote from the Second Edition of Mage: The Ascension to sum up the attitude of the Sons of Ether: | |
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Princess: The Hopeful: Defied by the Court of Diamonds. They are the Court who specifically value knowledge, reason, and science, but their signature emotions are curiosity and wonder, and a core part of their philosophy is that to understand the complex intricacy of the mechanisms that create a rainbow or the night sky only makes them more amazing. | |
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The SNL parody "Magical Mysteries" takes things even further, featuring lines like "What is Alaska? Who is Brazil? Isn't a volcano just an angry hill?" | |
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Green Lantern: Krona's stories often involve this trope. Coupled with his trademark impatience, it has led him to stumble on disaster after disaster because, he insists on quantifying and qualifying everything, and is especially devoted to having a meaningful conversation with the sentience of the universe. The few times he's granted his wish, he is chided for his simplistic approach and rebuffed for his ignorance. | |
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Referenced in the FoxTrot arc where Andy becomes obsessed with the film Titanic (1997), to the point that Roger worries about her. Jason begins describing production trivia to her ("Did you know the scenes with everyone drowning was filmed in a heated indoor pool, and their foggy breath was added by computers?" and so on). Andy accuses Jason of trying to ruin her enjoyment of the film. The final panel has Jason telling Roger, "She's onto us. Do I still get paid?" | |
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Played with during a Spider-Man arc where Spider-Man, having temporarily lost his spider-senses, agreed to let Shang-Chi train him in martial arts to compensate. Spider-Man was able to grasp the scientific aspects of Shang Chi's teaching but struggled a bit with the philosophical aspects. Played for drama in the short story Flowers for Rhino, when Rhino, who had went through a successful experimental surgical procedure to boost his intelligence, gradually started to become detached from life and human relationships. When his girlfriend called him a monster, he realised to his horror that all he could start to think about was the definition and etymology of the word. |
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In Young Justice this is how Kid Flash is portrayed in the episode "Denial", constantly explaining away everything done with magic, with science. In the DCU, this is stupid because magic is common in this verse and several members of the Justice League use magic, such as Zatanna and her father. His perception is likely owed to the fact that the Flash family doesn't really have any magical villains, including Abra Kadabra who uses technological tricks to perform his seeming magic and was probably who Kid Flash had in mind when going through one of his diatribes (Klarion the Witch Boy, who is spying on the group, even asks Abra, "Isn't that how you perform your tricks?") | |
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In Cosmic Star Heroine, when the party reaches the waterfalls of Nuluup, this conversation occurs between Orson Bolibar and Psybe: | |
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Inverted on Northern Exposure: Ed Chigliak, Magical Native American, artist, and Bishōnen, hates computers until he realizes that ones and zeros are just like his people's view that the universe is made up of two things: Nothing, and everything. | |
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There's a subtle aversion in The Wee Free Men. Tiffany muses that you can spend all day studying the many intricate parts and complexities of a simple flower—rather than thinking that this takes away the beauty in any way, she concludes that it's not practical to become utterly fascinated by the beauty when you have butter to churn. | |
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Mr. Deity accused Lucifer of this when she explained to him that Penn & Teller don't really have magic powers. | |
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My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: Twilight is essentially a scholar of magic (and is fairly interested in history). She is repeatedly enthusiastic about her studies and is regularly disappointed and occasionally shocked, when others don't show the same level of interest in these things as she does. Feeling Pinkie Keen. It is the first to feature The Pinkie Sense and Twilight tries to figure out how it works. She questions Pinkie about its mechanics, hooks her up to a machine, and then observes her to collect empirical data. The problem was she didn't want to study this new and fascinating magic but rather disprove it because she believed it to be closer to superstition than magic. In the end, she decides to give up and stop trying to figure out how it works. Pinkie herself already had it "down to a science", so to speak, she just didn't know what triggered it. |
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Doctor Who: In some eras, this trope is part of the reason that the Doctor takes human companions with him; they can experience awe in his place because they don't understand the wonders of the universe. In other eras, the Doctor displays a boundless, childlike fascination with everything precisely because of his capacity to understand it, and excitedly tries to explain to his companions because he wants them to share in the wonder he sees. Much of the Nightmare Fetishist behaviour of the Tenth stems from his appreciation of how the horrible monster goes about doing whatever horrible thing it does, and the Fourth Doctor teaches science to Leela because, as she doesn't understand it, everything is just scary and pointless to her; but the Eleventh Doctor claims that he takes companions because, due to his understanding of everything, the universe is now just 'a backyard' unless there are uncomprehending eyes to look at it too. A lot of this is to do with the fact that the Doctor mostly plays off old Victorian intellectual tropes, an age when science and art were considered to be the same essential pursuit instead of separate to how they are today, and so the Doctor's fascination with art and philosophy is just another part of his interest in physics and chemistry - but by the Revival series, which has a more psychological bent and is divorced more from Victorian literature, he's playing off tropes associated with the Classic Doctors and playing them For Drama, meaning they're often played as emotional problems and insecurities. A Big Finish Doctor Who Companion Chronicle reveals that the First Doctor had submitted a pretentious and childish paper to the Academy proving that love did not exist and was just a series of chemicals. His tutor yelled at him for missing the point. In "The Time Monster", the Third Doctor gives Jo a speech about "the daisy-est daisy I ever saw", in which he describes an epiphany he had on a dark day of his life of how desperately beautiful simple flowers are just by virtue of being there. Zoe Heriot in "The Wheel in Space" is a human raised to think like a computer and so knows everything about everything, if only in a statistical manner. Her coworkers on board the Wheel treat her with suspicion and mock her for being robot-like, a state of affairs she clearly feels miserable about. She eventually decides she'll travel with the Doctor, even though it is dangerous, in the hope of experiencing true joy, wonder, and spontaneity. "Daleks in Manhattan": The Doctor distracts the Daleks with a brief bit of music, which confuses them since they don't get the purpose of it. The Doctor expounds. Then there's this quote showing The Doctor's fatigue. |
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Penn & Teller: Fool Us: Penn Jillette frequently says that he and Teller enjoyed a trick more than the audience because they knew how it was done and could fully appreciate the skill with which a piece of sleight of hand was done. They can show how they do the cup and balls trick with see-through cups and a base, and you will still be amazed at how they did it. They move so fast it might as well be magic. | |
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Paul "Hungrybear9562" Vasquez's "Double Rainbow" viral video has been subject to this, especially after it was autotuned by Songify This. As the man himself explained in multiple interviews (as well as a video response to his own video), his asking "What does it mean?" in the video was actually him seeking spiritual meaning in the rainbow sighting. Despite this, several science-related YouTube channels (and dozens of people commenting on his original video as well as the autotuned version) decided to answer his question with a detached, academic, and dry explanation on how rainbows occur. Riot Games — which has several employees holding doctorates in the sciences — even got in on the marigold-measuring act with one of the "joke" lines Lux (a magician who specializes in spells involving light) says in League of Legends. Much to Paul Vasquez's dismay, the number of people trying to explain to him how rainbows occur has gotten even more obnoxious than before. |
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CSI: has an episode where Catherine chides Gil Grissom for wanting to know how magic tricks work. | |
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Criminal Minds: Reid has a habit of doing this. While he is excited about his scientific and statistical information he can bring to the current conversation, he usually sucks all the awe and emotion out of it for everyone else involved. It's something of an inversion, since to him the details are as wondrous as the initial impression but everyone else sees it as dry and boring. | |
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'Twas the Night Before Christmas: This is the message of the "Give Your Heart a Try" number, though the latter song "Hope and Hurry" does a lot to balance it out. | |
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One B.C. character (probably Thor) neatly torpedoed his own chances of getting lucky by responding to a comment on the beauty of the moon rising by saying it's an illusion caused by the Earth's rotation. Cue him shouting at the retreating Cute Chick, "BUT IT IS STILL ROMANTIC, OH SOOOO ROMANTIC!" in a futile effort to recover the magic. | |
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Riot Games — which has several employees holding doctorates in the sciences — even got in on the marigold-measuring act with one of the "joke" lines Lux (a magician who specializes in spells involving light) says in League of Legends. Much to Paul Vasquez's dismay, the number of people trying to explain to him how rainbows occur has gotten even more obnoxious than before. | |
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In The Science of Discworld, Stewart and Cohen use the example in the trope description; pointing out that understanding how rainbows work doesn't stop them being beautiful; it means you know why they're beautiful. In fact, Ian Stewart, like most mathematicians, uses the word "beautiful" a lot and a particularly well-executed proof is often referred to as "elegant". | |
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Played for all the horror possible in Genius: The Transgression. A Genius who bottoms out on the Karma Meter or who loses all control of their Science-Related Memetic Disorder becomes what is known as an Illuminated, only able to relate to other people in terms of their specific scientific theories... and since they have zero Obligation, they are willing to do anything to anyone to answer whatever petty questions draw their interest. An Illuminated would gladly chain you to a table and surgically remove your face just to see how the muscles underneath it twitch, or render entire species of animals extinct to learn just how important they were to the food chain. | |
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The Sun Is Also a Star: Discussed when Natasha tells Daniel if something isn't scientifically shown it can't be a fact, and thus she doesn't believe in things like fate. She admits this is something that turns lots of people off (Daniel included) since they feel it saps life of meaning, but to her that isn't the case. | |
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In Mass Effect: Andromeda an audio log by a quarian historian states that this concept is the actual reason why synthetics can never truly have “souls�. He states that the Geth would therefore have “no meaningful understanding of experiences we take for granted�. | |
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In Small Gods, Brutha is shown some color illustrations of plant life at the Library of Ephebe, in a book about the useful qualities of plants. Deeply moved by the images, he remarks "they're beautiful...", and the fellow who's showing him the book replies that that's one use the book's author had entirely overlooked. | |
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As a judge on The Sing-Off, Ben Folds is enjoying the show on more levels than the rest of us as he elaborates the exact technical merits of each performance. He looks giddy as he explains how the three-part harmony comes together or points out the arrangement of events every four to eight bars. | |
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Being essentially a Sherlock Holmes expy, House is frequently dismissive of human emotions and relationships. On the other hand, he rides a motorcycle, takes a sadistic pleasure in artistic pranks, and does all sorts of other things just for fun. He doesn't look any happier, but they presumably do something for him. | |
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One Fantastic Four story had a villain steal not the intelligence, but the creativity of Reed Richards, who is regarded as one of the most intelligent men in the Marvel Universe. He found himself shocked to discover that he couldn't even stare at a flower without being hit by the sheer sense of wonder Richards feels at the existence of all things! | |
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Inverted in A Spark of Ice and Fire. As Willas Tyrell studies biology under the tutelege of a certain Agatha Clay, he comes to marvel at the craftsmanship that the gods put into everything (a bird's wing is specifically mentioned). | |
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Kingdom Hearts: The villain of the series - Xehanort and his various incarnations - are in a sense a perfect example of this trope. He's not out to seek power and control like any other villain would, rather he considers himself a seeker of knowledge and is willing to do anything and everything to understand the true nature of the Heart, even if it means many people suffer in the process. Sora puts it best in Dream Drop Distance. Ansem The Wise also strove to research and understand how the heart worked, but unlike Xehanort, he eventually came to understand how foolish this was and worked to atone for the trouble that his efforts caused. |
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The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye: The Functionist Council are a disturbed version. They and Six-of-Twelve, in particular, are of the belief that every living thing must serve a purpose, including animals and even moons, and are utterly obsessed with finding that purpose. Things that don't serve a purpose get removed or altered until they do serve a purpose. | |
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This trope is the entire premise of Science Fell in Love, So I Tried to Prove it. Yukimura and Himuro are obsessed with quantifying everything they can, most importantly the things that make up romantic love. | |
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In The Nightmare Before Christmas, Jack Skellington borrows scientific equipment from Dr. Finklestein in an attempt to uncover the magic of Christmas: he examines a holly berry under the microscope and accidentally squishes it, dissolves the stripes off a candy cane, attempts to make a snowflake by cutting paper (and ends up with a paper spider), cuts open a teddy bear to analyze its plush stuffing, and crushes a glass ornament into tiny pieces and puts them into a beaker, and they emit a green glow. After perplexing research, he has a "Eureka!" Moment when he realizes he's been overthinking the magic of Christmas and decides to spread his own brand of Christmas cheer, presenting his findings to the citizens of Halloween Town, which leads the Mayor to endorse Jack's plan to bring a Halloween themed Christmas to the world. | |
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Dexter's Laboratory spent a whole episode on this ("Way of the Dee Dee") where Dee Dee showed Dexter the beauties and mysteries of life (in a humorous way) after she pointed out that Dexter was deprived of life in his laboratory: "Spoiled away, alone in the dark, searching the answers to questions nobody asks... locked away from the world, never to explore the true mysteries of life". The episode ends with Dee Dee apologizing for trying to make Dexter live life her way and admitting she shouldn't have tried to change him. | |
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Played with in Short Circuit. Toward the end of the film, Newton is trying to figure out if Number 5 has really "come alive." He makes a Rorschach blot with paper and tomato soup, trying to see if Number 5 sees past the scientific to see the marigolds. It is foreshadowed earlier in the film that Number 5 has this capacity: though he regurgitates scientific information at the drop of a hat, he is also able to see abstract shapes in clouds, rather than just dismissing them as pockets of water vapor. | |
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