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The villain has the hero at his mercy. After some Evil Gloating, the villain gets down to explaining his Evil Plan (complete with slideshow!) to use their orbital Weather-Control Machine to destroy every ice cream store in the city. There's nothing that the hero can do to stop it. The bad guy is finally going to win! The hero responds by asking a very simple question: "And then what?" When asked, many villains will mentally hit a brick wall. Maybe it's because The Good Guys Always Win no matter how many times their plans get past Stage One, their goals are small-minded, their plan is ultimately self-destructive, or they honestly never thought that far ahead. Whatever the reason, the villain won't be able to respond to this simple question with a satisfactory answer. In this position, the hero may be able to coax the villain into a Heel Realization to stop their plan or distract them long enough to buy their teammates time to disable the Weather-Control Machine. An alternative has the hero make suggestions for what they should do, and how they can leverage the now ice-cream-less city to create a lucrative "Dippin' Dots" franchise (all to buy time for his allies, of course). Occasionally, heroes will combine this with a low-key discussion how they are wasting their genius and could make oodles of money renting their Weather-Control Machine (or what have you) to drought-stricken areas or as insurance against natural disasters. In short, that an honest (if mercenary) business path would make them successful. Sometimes, it works! Then again, if it's a Card-Carrying Villain being asked, they'll just shrug, say "I hadn't thought of that", cackle, and push the big red button anyway. Alternatively, the villain may have an insane goal because they are insane, in which case logic is useless. By contrast, a Visionary Villain is often defined as such because they can answer this question. Sometimes, this can happen to the heroes themselves too, usually if their own goals are selfish or short-sighted. On rare occasions, the person being asked the question can actually give an answer, and might actually have a realistic idea as to what their next move will be. Keep in mind, this is only to wonder what will happen if the person being asked the question gets what they want. If the person has already achieved their goal but has no plans for what to do afterward, that would be "Now What?". A Sub-Trope of Armor-Piercing Question. Compare Missing Steps Plan, So What Do We Do Now?, Stating the Simple Solution, Victory Is Boring and Was It Really Worth It?. Contrast with Cut Lex Luthor a Check, which is often about providing an answer to the question for villains. |
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The Dragon and the Bow: Invoked. Hiccup is about to be killed by Merida because she doesn't want to marry him. However, Hiccup in a moment of clarity asks her the question of what she'll do next, giving her just enough pause to stop herself (funny enough, this would also mark the first step forward in their romance). | |
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Megamind: Minion actually asks this after Megamind kills his arch-nemesis. In keeping with the trope, however, the fun is short-lived; the existential crisis soon kicks in, and the rest of the plot is largely driven by Megamind trying to find a new purpose in life. Turns out that Metro Man himself ran into the same question back in that bout against Megamind. Feeling out of it, he decided to use his Super-Speed to clear his head (i.e. going so fast time is a near-stop for him.) He looks back and notes that he and Megamind have been doing the same exchange for their entire lives and somewhat pigeonholed by outside forces into their roles. However, he ends up reading some self-help books from the library and decides to fake his death so he could retire and become a musician. His later exchange implies that he knew Megamind would undergo the same sort of existential crisis upon his victory and subtly encourages him to become Metro City's new protector. |
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Finding Nemo: in The Stinger, all of the dentist's fish finally manage to escape the tank and return to the ocean!... but they're stuck in plastic bags. After an awkward silence, Bloat asks "Now what?" Expanded Universe materials show that they make it out of the bags and find Nemo again. Finding Dory on the other hand shows that they're still trapped in the bags over a year later, but they're found and rescued by aquarium workers. | |
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In Twig, Sylvester uses this tactic against homicidal clone Mary, pointing out that even if she succeeds in killing him and all of his friends, escaping to reunite with her creator, she'll still know that her creator left her behind as a delaying tactic, poisoning their relationship with the knowledge that he ultimately does not value her life. | |
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In Alexander, Hephaistion at one point asks Alexander what he would do once he conquered his way all the way to his much sought "Outer Ocean". Without missing a beat, Alexander turns to his boyfriend, and moral center, and answers: "I turn around and conquer the other half!", leaving Hephaistion with the perfect Okay then-face. | |
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In Kirby's Epic Yarn, Yin-Yarn at one point admits that he doesn't know what he'll do with Dream Land once he conquers it, but says he'll figure something out. | |
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By the end of the game, Cheren has an answer: Protect the powerless and help them become stronger, too. Consequently, he becomes the new Normal-type Gym Leader and the head instructor of the Trainer's School in the sequels. | |
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The villain in Transporter 2 has a rather justified response to this. He reveals that a number of cartels hired him to kill lead members of an Anti-Drug coalition. Frank asks "And then what? You think that will really make a difference?", pointing out that new leaders will take over and continue to fight the cartels. The villain merely replies that that isn't his problem. He was hired to do a job, and he's doing it. It's the cartels that should've asked themselves this question. | |
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Digimon: Digimon Adventure: In "Etemon's Comeback Tour", after Ogremon explains how his entire life revolves around fighting his rival Leomon and trying to defeat him, Mimi asks what exactly he would do if he beat Leomon. Ogremon seems baffled by the question — he'd never actually thought of it, and eventually dismisses it as a pointless question. As far as he's concerned, the two of them are just going to keep fighting, forever coming to standstills. In his defense, the Adventure continuity is one where all dead Digimon are reborn as Digi-Eggs and hatch back into life, so Leomon and Ogremon can beat the snot out of each other as long as they like without needing a long-term plan. Digimon Tamers: A rare variant is done in the Japanese version, both with Renamon and Impmon (after both try to strike out on their own without Tamers). They think about how they'll continue to load Digimon and become stronger, and the question enters the audience's mind without it actually being said. |
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Sluggy Freelance: In a Car Chase scene in the climax of "On the Run", a couple of mooks climb on top of the truck the heroes are driving. The heroes discuss climbing up to fight them "because you're supposed to", but none of them actually wants to do it. This leaves the mooks with no idea what to do next other than hang on for their lives. Subverted during Bun-bun's brief period as an Evil Overlord. |
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Bleach: This is the main reason why Mayuri Kurotsuchi loathes perfection. If something is perfect, where do you go from there? What's the point of imagination, ability, and improving yourself if you're perfect? In his eyes, perfection is just another form of despair. Always strive to be better but never perfect. That's the kind of creatures scientists are: they take joy in trying to reach for something that is impossible, but if they did reach it, what then? It's for that reason he believes Eighth Espada, Szayelaporro Granz lost to him in the first place. When Nemu dies, Mayuri is taunted by a vision of Szayelaporro, who calls him a hypocrite for hating perfection yet considered her to be his most perfect creation. This snaps Mayuri out of his despair and decides to create a new Nemu. |
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In Tales of Berseria, Byronic Hero Velvet Crowe is out to kill Villain with Good Publicity Artorius, knowing that this will make her into a monster in the eyes of the world. Whenever Velvet is asked about what she'll do once Artorius is dead, Velvet fully admits that she has no long-term goal beyond Artorius being killed. Sometimes, Velvet straight-up doesn't answer the question when asked. And when she does give an answer, it can always be boiled down to "I don't care what happens after I kill him" and is left at that. Character Development and plot twists mitigate this attitude somewhat, in that it gives her a more noble reason in the form of stopping Artorius and Innominat from using Emotion Suppression on the entire world as well as learning to be less selfish in her actions. But even towards the game's conclusion, Velvet is still focused entirely on killing Artorius, with everything else being tangentially important to that goal. | |
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The Silmarillion: A sort of meta-example — Tolkien points out that this is why Morgoth's Omnicidal Maniac plans are ultimately doomed to fail. He could kill everyone and grind the universe into dust, And then? Well then, and then he would hate the dust because it was made by Eru (God), but the dust would still exist, frustrating Morgoth... and even then the world could, in theory, be restored by the other Valar. Plus, to truly destroy everything Eru ever created, he'd have to kill himself too. | |
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Star Trek: Enterprise: The episode "Exile" has Hoshi threaten Tarquin this way. | |
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Wearing Robert's Crown: Some readers have noted that Drakebert's actions may be all very well with regard to preparing for the Others, but they're also going to destabilise Westeros and a good chunk of Essos in the longer term. | |
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Ghost in the Shell: Asked by one of the Fuchikomas in the manga; when another suggested a robot revolt, followed by it realizing that all the things it wanted, like getting its oil changed by humans, was already happening. | |
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Earth's Alien History: For the last 50,000 years, the Harvesters have plotted revenge against the Reapers for destroying their homeworld. As the Final Battle of the Reaper War unfolds, a scene from the POV of a Harvester Queen has her ruminate on the fact that her race hasn't put much thought into what they'll do now that they've actually won. After the war's end, they and the Vinn (who likewise had dedicated themselves solely to fighting the Reapers) find themselves without a purpose, only to ultimately find a new one in leading the Shield Alliance, treating the other members as Protectorates. After being modified into a Super-Soldier by the Asgard and then spending 50 years hunting down renegades created by the same process, Bobbie Draper finds herself without purpose after killing the last one. Thor offers her a place in his people's society, but she chooses to stay in the Milky Way, where the Doctor swiftly recruits her into the Conspiracy of Light. |
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Kill Them All: Initially, Taylor believed her quest to kill the Empire 88 for what they did to her father would end with her dying, so she never planned for "after". Then she learned she could revive her father, so she makes that her goal. By the time she's ready to take Scion down, she's got enough ideas to work on for the foreseeable future. | |
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There Was Once an Avenger From Krypton: When Vilgax reveals that his master plan is to use the power of the Omnitrix to forcibly unite the universe to stand together against Thanos, Ben demands to know what he'll do after he's won. Vilgax actually does have a response to this, ominously implying that he intends to then take over the universe himself. | |
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In Octopath Traveler II, Clarissa asks this of Osvald in his third chapter. She twice asks him what he'll do once he's found Harvey. The first time, he simply walks away and refuses to answer her. The second time, she combines it with Vengeance Feels Empty and says that revenge is pointless. Osvald replies that he has to keep going anyway. | |
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Squid Girl: When Ika has tied up the principal of Eiko's high school and hijacked the PA, she begins broadcasting her plans on what to do when she and her "army" Take Over the World. When Ika gets to the "all of the world is taken over" part, she realizes that she doesn't know what to do beyond that point. | |
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Asteroid in Love: The protagonist, Mira, has a Goal in Life: to discover an asteroid and name it after her friend Ao. When she gets into the exclusive Shiny Star Challenge, in which high schoolers get a chance to search for unidentified asteroids, one of her fellow participants asks Mira what she'll do when she accomplishes that goal. Mira says she doesn't know yet, but she'll probably find another goal. Mira and Ao fail to find a new asteroid, so she avoids having to answer that question for the moment. | |
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Spoofed in a commercial for Cartoon Network that had the cast of Looney Tunes answering various questions. Sylvester is asked what he would do if he actually caught Tweety, and he responds that he'd give him back his wallet that he dropped twenty years ago. | |
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In Meet the Robinsons, Bowler Hat Guy makes a checklist of what destructive things to do with the Robinsons and their company and asks himself what he'd do once he succeeds. He's not sure and writes a question mark as that next item, intending to go back to it later. This trope kicks in later when he HAS checked off everything on his list and still hasn't figured out what to do after that. | |
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Tales Series In Tales of Berseria, Byronic Hero Velvet Crowe is out to kill Villain with Good Publicity Artorius, knowing that this will make her into a monster in the eyes of the world. Whenever Velvet is asked about what she'll do once Artorius is dead, Velvet fully admits that she has no long-term goal beyond Artorius being killed. Sometimes, Velvet straight-up doesn't answer the question when asked. And when she does give an answer, it can always be boiled down to "I don't care what happens after I kill him" and is left at that. Character Development and plot twists mitigate this attitude somewhat, in that it gives her a more noble reason in the form of stopping Artorius and Innominat from using Emotion Suppression on the entire world as well as learning to be less selfish in her actions. But even towards the game's conclusion, Velvet is still focused entirely on killing Artorius, with everything else being tangentially important to that goal. In Tales of Graces, Asbel asks this to the villain. Big Bad Lambda is ranting about how humans are evil, and how he's going to Kill All Humans. Asbel promptly turns this into an Armor-Piercing Question by asking "Okay, then what? If you kill everybody, you'll be totally alone, and you and everything in the entire world will die. You really want that?" The Big Bad is silent for a Beat, then throws a tantrum and begins the final boss battle proper. In Tales of Xillia, Milla asks this of Big Bad Gaius before a Climax Boss fight. Gaius is the king of Auj Oule, and an Anti-Villain whose goal is to gather all of the world's superweapons into one place, as Gaius feels that the strong have a duty to defend the weak. Milla promptly deconstructs this view by asking Gaius what he thinks he'll do once he's got all those weapons, since it'll be a guarantee that someone else is going to want all of them and come after Auj Oule for them. Following up on this line of thought, Milla asks another Armor-Piercing Question by reminding Gaius that he's a mortal man, and will one day die. So what is Gaius going to do, Milla asks, to ensure that the next person who takes the throne will have the same ideals he does as to what to do with all those superweapons? For the first and only time in the game, Gaius has no response to this counterargument. |
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According to Parallel Lives by Plutarch, when Pyrrhus (yeah, that one) went to war with Rome, his adviser Cineas, an Epicurean philosopher, asked him what he would do after conquering Italy. Pyrrhus replied, "We shall take Sicily." And then? "Carthage and Libya." And then? "Macedon and all Greece." And then? "Then we shall be at ease, drink, and gladden our hearts." Cineas then asked him why he couldn't just do that now? Plutarch records Pyrrhus had no answer. In fact, before his infamous battle, this trope had been what he was most famous for; it was easy for him to win, but he didn't know how to exploit his victories. | |
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In Justice League Unlimited, Lex Luthor pulls this on Brainiac, who intends to absorb and destroy "all of creation". Luthor instead suggests they merge their bodies and personalities together to become a godlike being, then destroy and remake all of creation according to their own design. Brainiac, not having much of an ego, agrees, and allows Luthor to be in control of their new form. He practiced this much earlier in Superman: The Animated Series on Metallo, pointing out that Metallo could kill him but without Luthor's help he'll never be normal again. Also when Wonder Woman is fighting Bizarro helping Giganta free Grodd from prison, he says he's doing it to help his new girlfriend free her boyfriend, she then invokes the trope, and Bizarro is all uhh... and pow! |
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Atop the Fourth Wall: This is ultimately how The Entity (aka, MissingNo) is defeated. Linkara's diatribe is especially remarkable. He doesn't just ask The Entity what it plans to do after it achieves its goal, he continues to point out the pointlessness of its own existence, its quest, and the rather unimpressive ending to its goal which just keeps reiterating the question. This gets so bad, it sends The Entity into an existential crisis where it begins babbling to itself incoherently, unable to comprehend its own worthlessness despite being a god. This eventually gives Linkara the chance to ask The Entity what happens when a god like itself dies. Truly intrigued by the question, MissingNo explodes itself, releasing everything and everyone it had absorbed. And after MissingNo dies and releases all of its prisoners, Iron Liz asks Linkara what he's going to do now that he's saved the world (and the multiverse). Linkara ponders for about 5 seconds before inviting all his friends to play Pokemon with him. Seems to be his M.O. for dealing with insane and powerful entities. He used the same tactic to convince Linksano to give up on trying to take over the world and come work for him instead when he makes the doctor realize that ruling the world will involve running the world as well, going into great detail about the logistics, risks, and minutia that would involve ruling over a planet. Linkara tries this again with Dr. Insano, who is completely unimpressed by the question. He has a wild enough imagination, going from carnal desires to dreams of glory to simple malicious fun. He also rejects the holodeck and its fake people. However, the speech was, in this case, a distraction. |
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The Adventures of Kid Danger: Harry and Ray confront Daddy Long Legs, a villain who wants to cover Swellview in spiders. They ask him why he wants to do this, something he doesn't have an answer to. | |
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Legend of the Supermutants: Shredder asks Krang where they'll live if they succeed in using Dark Mu to destroy the Earth. Krang's answer is that they can stay in Dimension X, much to Shredder's displeasure. | |
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Batman Forever: The Riddler presses Two-Face to think about what happens after he succeeds in killing Batman. A quick death would be so unsatisfying, wouldn't it? Wouldn't a more involved scheme to thoroughly destroy the Bat be better? A hero-to-hero version: Bruce says this to Dick when the latter is still bent on killing Two-Face. |
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In the Gentleman Bastard series, Locke's mentor has trained the gang up to be perfect robbers, but died before he told them what they were accumulating money for. So they've succeeded beyond his wildest imaginings, but they have no actual purpose for doing it, and they can't spend their wealth or they'll be detected. At the end of the book, Locke offers up the whole amount as a death offering to Calo, Galdo, and Bug by tricking Dona Vorchenza into sinking the ship that the Grey King had it stashed on. Technically, by accumulating it they have achieved his purpose, just by stealing it; the short version is that there's a complex socio-legal arrangement in place that means the police and rich people don't get robbed, which goes against the teachings of the God of Thieves, so Locke's little crew is (in a cosmic sense) there to ensure that the city doesn't get smitten into the ground by a god widely regarded by most of the rest of the world as heretical apocrypha (and also getting a spiteful little giggle of their own in since neither their mentor nor they actually like the arrangement much). Spending the money afterward is just gravy, but gravy you can't put on your pork isn't much good. |
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House of Cards (US) has this trope as a sort of unspoken Driving Question in Season 3. Frank Underwood's rise to power has been nothing short of magnificent up to this point, but now that he's reached the top, how can he possibly maintain his power? | |
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Kamen Rider Zero-One: Fuwa calls himself out on this, admitting that he never thought about what would come next after achieving revenge, before turning the question around on Yaiba to ask her what there is for her beyond being a corporate tool. She takes it poorly. | |
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Legacy of the Dragokin: Zarracka has no idea what to do with herself after her revenge is accomplished. Becoming a better mother for Benji than Daniar gives her a new goal to focus on. | |
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In RWBY this happens to Neo after she gets what she wants, albeit in a way that she self-admits to it. After supposedly driving Ruby to kill herself, Neo has a mental breakdown as she realises she has no idea what to do with her life now; at the end of the volume, she stays in the Ever After to look for one, despite Ruby still being alive. | |
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Casanova: The titular character tries to convince Henriette to run away with him and live his footloose and fancy-free lifestyle. She just keeps asking "What then?" until he runs out of plans. It turns out that she grew up in a slum and is determined to have a better life. As such, she has to prioritize a comfortable life with a man she doesn't love over spending her life with Casanova. | |
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Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal has a knight lecture an evil dragon about the "hedonic treadmill," warning that once he's conquered all the fantasy races there will be nothing left for him to do, leaving him in a boring, depressing steady state. The dragon doesn't listen, and epochs later he slumps on his hoard as a thoroughly miserable master of the universe. | |
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Kämpfer Abridged: This exchange sums the mentality up nicely. | |
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Fate/Harem Antics: Rin Tohsaka dedicated her life to honoring her father by achieving his goal of reaching The Root. She admits she does not know what she will do after she reaches it. Angelica Ainsworth admits her family dedicated their lives to getting the Grail to spite the Einzberns, and they do not know what to do once they get it. |
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Captain Planet and the Planeteers: The episode "Last of Her Kind" had the Planeteers reason this way with Belo, an African poacher who insists he needs to go along with Looten Plunder's elephant poaching to feed his family. Gi asks what happens when the elephants die out. He can't answer. They tried similar reasoning with a fishing village that started using dynamite. It turns out the villagers were too concerned about the present to care about the future. This was a long-running Aesop for the series in general. Aside from when the villains were in it For the Evulz, the Planeteers could convince some villains, or average people who were being influenced by the villains (or even, in Captain Pollution's first appearance, a whole mercenary army of enemy mooks) that looting and polluting was not the way, because it would just leave the world a lifeless waste, and then what? It actually stuck with two of the villains, Hoggish Greedly and Sly Sludge (both of whom were more profit-motivated and less overall evil), who underwent Heel–Face Turns by the final season. |
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Dragon Ball: In an early Dragon Ball arc, Emperor Pilaf's mook Shu once asked him what he was going to do after acquiring his wish of controlling the world. Pilaf shrugged off the question. During the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Piccolo does this to himself. Since losing the World Martial Arts Tournament at the end of Dragon Ball and having his plans for world domination foiled by Goku, Piccolo's goal has been killing Goku in the name of revenge. But after managing to kill both Goku and Raditz, Piccolo reflects that he got no satisfaction from Goku's death given the circumstances, and realizes that he has no idea what to do with his life now that Goku's gone. Training Gohan for the next year brings about Piccolo's Heel–Face Turn and a renewed sense of purpose. During the Cell Saga, Cell freely admits to Piccolo that once he obtains his Perfect form, he has no idea what he'll do afterwards. After he does obtain it, when he's asked again, he decides he'll entertain himself by wiping out all life in the universe. |
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Camelot: Sister Sybil queries Morgan on what she plans to do after she's killed Arthur and seized the throne, revealing that she has no plans beyond "I'll rule". Noting that it could be simply taken from her by someone else after that, she wisely advises Morgan to build up alliances with common people who want order and also help improve her image among them to get supporters. | |
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This is lampshaded in the Tamers Forever Series when the Big Bad of Omni-Tamer; Blackwargreymon, outright states that he has absolutely no idea what he is going to do after he's killed Takato. Unlike most examples, he doesn't really seem to mind all that much. | |
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Rick and Morty: In "Unmortricken", Evil Morty directly asks Main Morty what will happen if Rick Sanchez does manage to kill Rick Prime, indifferently suggesting that he'll commit suicide afterwards (to Morty's annoyance). Indeed, once Rick has succeeded, the result is a Heroic BSoD and a "What Now?" Ending. | |
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Swan's Braid & Other Tales of Terizan: In "Swan's Braid" Swan wants to behead Councilor Saladaz at once after learning he'd tipped off the bandits she went after with her band the Wing, since she lost many people taking down his gang. Terizan asks her what happens after that, noting Swan will be arrested since they don't have proof, and more of her people would die trying to free her. Swan then agrees to get proof with Terizan's help. | |
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Excel♡Saga: Il Palazzo in the anime is forced to confront this problem in the three-part series finale. Having finally conquered the city he realizes that he's now going to have to conquer another one and another. It actually drives him insane, until Excel returns to knock some sense into him. | |
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The Dresden Files: In Battle Ground, Harry points out that killing him will start a war with the Winter fae and essentially asks the messenger what happens when Harry breaks the White Council's rules now that he's been voted off the Council and given a suspended death sentence, one that's meant to be carried out should he use magic. Harry says he is going to continue to use magic as much as he wants, in no uncertain terms. The messenger has no response to any of this. | |
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In an episode of Earthworm Jim the Animated Series, Evil the Cat plans to destroy the universe. One of his hench-rats asks what they're going to do after that. | |
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In one Garfield strip, Garfield is being chased by a dog and wonders what the dog would actually do if it catches him. So he turns around and surrenders to the dog, asking it what it's going to do now. The dog then starts a waltz with Garfield, with an irritated Garfield demanding that he gets to lead next time. In another one, a mouse tells Garfield mice would rule the world someday. Garfield asked "Then what?" and the mouse said they'd then live in people's houses and eat cheese. Garfield was unimpressed by the answer. An insect said someday they'd rule the world. Garfield asked "Then what?" and the insect hesitated before saying they'd "crawl on stuff". |
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Meanwhile, in the Whateley Universe stories, a power mimic called Mimeo asked himself this question, realized the answer...and thus came up with his epic evil scheme. Step 1: Fight a bunch of superheroes. Step 2: Use their powers to rob some place. Step 3: Bitches and booze. Repeat as necessary. It works remarkably well, too, since he's careful not to draw too much attention to himself, and because he managed to squeeze every iota of training he could out of his time at Whateley Academy, he often knows how to use his opponent's powers better than the heroes themselves do. That, plus the fact that copying regeneration reverses his age temporarily, meant he was able to keep going for fifty years and only get caught twice - and one of those times when he was just thirteen, which is how he ended up at Whateley in the first place. |
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In A Pikachu in Love, Pichi asks Pikachu this when Pikachu is telling her about how Ash will always be a trainer. In response, she asks Pikachu if he wants to be a sports Pokemon all his life, and what he plans to do once he's done. Though it stuns Pikachu for a few seconds while he tries to think of an answer, he eventually decides to leave it up to the future. Though, later on, he eventually starts asking this question to himself when he realizes Ash won't be young and a trainer forever... | |
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brilliant lights will cease to burn: Izuku sits down for an interview with an amateur reporter in order set the record straight about what the vigilante Deku is fighting for. When said reporter asks how long Deku is going to be active as a vigilante, Izuku is speechless, because he honestly hadn't thought about it. | |
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The Fifth Act: A recurring question for Cloud is what will he do if actually succeeds in killing Sephiroth? | |
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For Love of Magic: Part of Harry's disdain of Voldemort comes from the latter being unable to answer what he'll do once he conquers the magical world beyond "I will rule". Harry also plans to rule the magical world, though not through conquest, and actually has a plan on what to do afterwards as it's merely a means to an end rather than the end itself. | |
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World of Warcraft: This is the gist of Illidan's Breaking Speech to Maiev Shadowsong after his defeat at the Black Temple. He rightfully points out that her obsession with hunting Illidan had become so all-consuming, she wouldn't know what to do if she actually succeeded; indeed, she admits now she's won, she feels hollow. Legion showed she spent the better part of the ten years guarding Illidan's body, choosing to leave his soul in a state of limbo rather than trying to find a way to permanently kill him note Illidari cannot die by normal means; since they're part-demon, they can return to their bodies after they're killed. This is why Maiev trapped him in a fel crystal; to stop him from remanifseting. | |
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"Then What?" by Clay Walker has the narrator asking this question of a friend who plans to commit adultery, asking him how long this friend thinks the high of a new fling will last, and what he's going to do when he inevitably gets caught cheating. | |
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First Try Series: Haku asks Sasuke what will he do and who would be by his side when he avenges his clan. | |
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The Daffy Duck cartoon "The Scarlet Pumpernickel" has J.L. invoking this a couple of times late in the short as Daffy starts ad-libbing his script. | |
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In Pokemon: Shadow of Time, when Ash joins the Orre resistance against Team Cipher, some of the resistance leaders realise that they've spent so long fighting a hopeless battle against Cipher's forces that they almost didn't expect to win, and thus don't have a clear plan for what kind of society they'd build after beating them. | |
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Inuyasha: Towards the end of the story, Naraku's last servant asks him what Naraku will wish for on the Shikon no Tama if he wins. Naraku realises that there will be nothing for him if he no longer has a Worthy Opponent. His wish, therefore, becomes to ensure he is locked forever in eternal combat with a Worthy Opponent who just happens to be the reincarnation of the woman even the Shikon no Tama couldn't let him have. | |
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The Villainess Lives Again: One of the main reasons why Laurence's tenure as emperor in the first timeline was a failure and why he keeps bungling his own attempts to become emperor in the second is that he has no real vision for what to do with the power he is so desperate to claim. He just wants it because he feels entitled to it and because it will satisfy his inferiority complex. Because of that, he has no real regard for the consequences of his actions when trying to achieve his objectives, and without Artezia around to mitigate the damage, he's left floundering once the backlash hits and sets him back from his primary goal. | |
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An episode of Freakazoid! had our hero confront a giant snake. He lets out a "Conan yell", leaps at it, grapples with it... then realizes he never had a next step because he didn't know it would actually work. The snake responds by smashing him against the ceiling. | |
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The New Adventures of Invader Zim: In Episode 20, Tenn asks Tak what she plans on doing once they've retrieved Project Domination and used it to conquer Earth. Tak admits that she hasn't thought that far ahead (as opposed to Tenn, who's already planning on using it as leverage for a comfy promotion). | |
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Spider-Man (PS4): Spidey notes this is Screwball's biggest problem, who had Social Media Before Reason turned up to a degree that she's a full-blown Narcissist. She's willing to commit crimes across all of New York City to get the attention she wants, no matter who gets in her way or who she has to hurt. Unlike most other villains that Spider-Man fights, Screwball doesn't have an end goal she could theoretically reach and then stop being a villain; the attention and adulation she gets from her antics on social media are not only the means to her madness, but the ends as well. Therefore, Spider-Man has to stop Screwball for her own good as much as anyone else's, before her constant need for attention and the Serial Escalation thereof end up getting people killed. | |
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Coach Carter asks this of his players and the people of the community. He's bothered by the fact that the players don't have plans for life after the current season and school careers are over. He even at one point sits them down and shoves the gravity of the situation in their faces to drive the point home. | |
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In Kung Fu Panda 2: the Soothsayer asks the evil peacock Lord Shen if taking over the world will finally make him happy. Shen is clearly shocked, never having considered what he'll do after he's done conquering and if it will even be worth everything he's lost, but is quick to brush off the moment of by snarkily replying "It's a start. I might also convert the basement into a dungeon." Later, when Po rescues the Furious Five from Shen: |
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Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie: Rebellion: This is part of Homura's motivation for making Madoka human again. She's devoted herself to protecting Madoka since a young age, and suffered various traumas to do so (traumas that chipped away at her mental and emotional health). She simply can't think beyond 'saving Madoka from Walpurgisnacht' because her motivation for fighting is gone, and she can't define herself outside of war. | |
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Defied in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (2022). Sonic asks Robotnik, who has gained the power of the Master Emerald, what he plans on doing once he conquers the world. Robotnik, however, actually has a plan: make humanity build him an army of robots, then use that army to conquer the rest of the universe, and then the multiverse. "Then who knows? Maybe that'll be enough." | |
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Daybreakers: The entire film is sort of a deconstruction of what would happen if vampires actually triumphed over humans. The inevitable: with hardly any humans left, blood supplies plummet and droves of starving vampires start degenerating into feral, bat-like "subsiders". This is best shown with a propaganda sign seen in the first act which urges vampires to "CAPTURE HUMANS". The last time we see it, the sign's been vandalized to now read "CAPTURE(D) (ALL) HUMANS (NOW WHAT?)". | |
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Kamen Rider Ex-Aid: Antagonists Parado and Graphite are video game characters brought to life who want to kill humanity off as revenge for all the characters like themselves who get beaten and destroyed every time someone plays a game. Late in the series, Poppy asks this question, pointing out that their entire reason for existing is to play video games and there'll be nobody left to do that if they eradicate humanity. Parado ends up pulling a Heel–Face Turn after finally coming to understand the concept of mortality, while Graphite refuses to join the heroes. However, after they defeat him for real, he thanks them for allowing him to fulfill his purpose in life as a boss character. Nico asked Taiga what he will do when he takes everyone's gashats. He simply answers that he will crush all Bugsters. Nico is satisfied with the answer at the moment because she doesn't know that what happens afterwards doesn't concern him because he doesn't see any other purpose in his life. She gives him a piece of her mind later on when she knows and is too fed up with him to stay silent any longer. |
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Westeros: An American Musical: "I'll Be Back" exists partly to point out the lack of long-term thinking in Daenerys' plan to bring her deposed family back to the Westeros throne with the help of her dragons. The song points out that by the time she's singing it, she can no longer have children, her brother died without leaving any descendants, and she doesn't have an existing heir. She's also last of her kind. | |
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The Twilight Zone (1959): In "The Shelter", as they're gathering supplies for the shelter, Grace Stockton wonders what the point is if they're destined to live in a ruined world surrounded by the bodies of their friends and neighbors. Her husband Bill tells her that their son Paul is their reason because even if that's the world he inherits, he's still only twelve years old. | |
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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: At the end of "Carnage of Krell", Captain Rex is left wondering what the whole point of the war is. When Fives points out that it will end someday, Rex wonders what will happen to all of the clones when it does. Fives doesn't have an answer for that. | |
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From Suburban Knights, though that is less of a lack of further plans and more about how it is shown Malachite is a hypocrite and enjoys several technologies, even though he is supposed to destroy it all. | |
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No Chance for Fate: The question is raised multiple times: The Senshi in the original timeline had Crystal Tokyo as their big goal. Once that got established, they had little idea what to do with themselves and sucked at ruling. Ranma had no idea what to do once he had achieved the rank of a martial arts master. His mother thankfully helps out with an idea and Ranma likes the idea of teaching the art to others. Ukyo also has no idea what to do next once Ranma refuses to fight her. Her plan only went as far as getting her revenge. |
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In Heart of Elynthi, one of Spade's important questions to Buck is what does Buck plan to do after he finally gets that 'major pay off' from all his devotion and faith towards Lady Luck. Buck has no answer. | |
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Tolkien's Legendarium: The Silmarillion: A sort of meta-example — Tolkien points out that this is why Morgoth's Omnicidal Maniac plans are ultimately doomed to fail. He could kill everyone and grind the universe into dust, And then? Well then, and then he would hate the dust because it was made by Eru (God), but the dust would still exist, frustrating Morgoth... and even then the world could, in theory, be restored by the other Valar. Plus, to truly destroy everything Eru ever created, he'd have to kill himself too. The Hobbit: When Bilbo brings up the subject of just how he's supposed to get his share home, the dwarves themselves admit they didn't think about what they'd do after they got back their treasure. Thorin finally says that once Smaug has actually been dealt with, they'll have plenty of time to think about the issue. |
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Kill Six Billion Demons: In "King of Swords", Allison and White Chain get into a fight over Allison's reckless way of acquiring and using power. Allison accuses White Chain of being too afraid to see that the way things are going, they might actually win the ongoing conflict. And then what, White Chain asks — is someone like Allison suddenly going to become responsible and give up the power? In a similar vein, when Maya was a Myopic Conqueror warlord in the past with no goals beyond "winning", her teacher brought her down with a similar Armor-Piercing Question about what she'll do once she's conquered all. The realization that no matter how strong she got, she would eventually rot and die while the Wheel kept turning, broke her will utterly. When she passes on the question to Allison, this time, she's ready with an answer: You won’t always have the answer. The question isn’t meant to BE answered conclusively. Some things you have to wait and see what will happen once you get there. |
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In The Snow Has Stopped The Rain, Orihime in an unusually serious moment asks Ichigo what he plans to do after rescuing Rukia since Soul Society would just take her back again. Ichigo doesn't have an answer for her, but she's quick to shrug it off, saying it's not like he'll let that stop him. | |
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He practiced this much earlier in Superman: The Animated Series on Metallo, pointing out that Metallo could kill him but without Luthor's help he'll never be normal again. | |
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Digimon Adventure: In "Etemon's Comeback Tour", after Ogremon explains how his entire life revolves around fighting his rival Leomon and trying to defeat him, Mimi asks what exactly he would do if he beat Leomon. Ogremon seems baffled by the question — he'd never actually thought of it, and eventually dismisses it as a pointless question. As far as he's concerned, the two of them are just going to keep fighting, forever coming to standstills. In his defense, the Adventure continuity is one where all dead Digimon are reborn as Digi-Eggs and hatch back into life, so Leomon and Ogremon can beat the snot out of each other as long as they like without needing a long-term plan. | |
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Code Geass: The Prepared Rebellion: Zero cites this as one of the reasons for his refusal to join the JLF. He states that even if they manage to succeed in liberating Japan, they have no plans for what to do next (most notably, how they planned to keep Japan liberated given that Britannia has the resources to just send another army to reconquer it, and Japan's strategically critical Sakuradite mines means that Britannia has every reason to do so). | |
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Comes up briefly in The Dark Knight, but ultimately averted. Shown when the Joker gets hold of the huge pile of mob money that's his supposed objective. The Chechen asks what he intends to do with his half. The Joker has it burnt on the spot. Then someone threatens to reveal Batman's Secret Identity on live television. Even though this is the Joker's second objective, he demands the whistleblower's death. To the Joker, the chaos he creates is an end in itself. Even his previous quote is a lie told to a character who's been devoted to Order in order to corrupt him. |
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Subverted in Chinatown: The hero intends it with the villain. It doesn't work: | |
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xkcd: In this comic, both Black Hat Guy and Google are hit by this; after acquiring loads of login data, he is unable to come up with anything he wants to do with it, and as for Google... | |
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Cross Ange The Knight Of Hilda: Rio asks Ange about what her plan is after her punishment is done. Ange said she wanted to tear the world apart, but Rio asked this trope and questioned her idea, pointing out that no matter how much the world has wronged her, she'll still have to live in it. | |
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In Avengers: Infinity War, Dr. Strange asks Thanos what he aims to do after he's collected all six Infinity Stones and killed half the population of the universe to bring 'balance'. Thanos says his work will be done and he will be able to finally rest. Sure enough, once he's accomplished his goal, Thanos retires to a distant planet, and sits down to watch the sunset with a content expression. In Avengers: Endgame, Thanos even uses the Stones to destroy the Stones since he no longer needs them. | |
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Slayers: Towards the end of the first season, Copy Rezo declares his intent to prove that he is greater than the original Rezo by killing the people who slew him. When Zelgadis asks what he plans to do with his life after killing Lina and Company, Rezo replies that he doesn't care. An earlier episode has one of Prince Phil's brothers seek to kill him to take his place in the family succession. When Lina asks what he'll do after he claims the throne, he replies "Rule, I guess." |
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Thousand Shinji: At one point Shinji wondered what he would do after getting revenge on his father and Seele. | |
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In The Powerpuff Girls (1998) episode "Collect Her", Lenny Baxter the comic book geek sinks into an immediate depression when he realizes that he has completely collected every piece of Powerpuff Girls merchandise. Collecting their memorabilia was his life, so what does he do now that he's got it all? At first, he steals their belongings before moving onto somehow capturing the Girls themselves. | |
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This is Luz's main problem for not getting a palisman of her own in The Owl House. Normally palismen work with witches who have a long-term goal in life, but for Luz, her goal is just "become a witch" and "find a way home". But she didn't consider the fact that she can't do magic in the human world, which causes some Conflicting Loyalty in Luz when she realizes that she can only do one or the other. That keeps her from bonding with any palisman until she finds a way to either Take a Third Option or make a Sadistic Choice. | |
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Iron Man: Armored Adventures: In one episode, Living Laser's latest evil scheme involves hijacking a Kill Sat and telling the people working there that he's holding the entire world hostage...only to be stopped dead in his tracks when they ask him what he's holding everything hostage for. Cue Living Laser wracking his brain for a while to decide what would be a cool, non-loser-y thing to say, having apparently gotten too caught up in what a good idea for a supervillain plot this was to think of an actual goal for it. After thinking a bit, he decides what he wants: for Iron Man to come so he can kill him. At the end of the episode, Tony actually asks this to Laser, asking him if what he'd do next after taking out Iron Man. It ends up being a major factor in Laser's eventual Heel–Face Turn. The Mandarin has been raised from birth to believe that he is a Dark Messiah who will benevolently conquer the world once he has all of the Makluan Rings. He gets them…and then realizes that he has no idea what to actually do with their mystical power or how they're supposed to help him unite and improve the world; seizing governmental control of a whole planet is a little more complicated then wielding magic rings. This ends up being one of the major catalysts for his Heel–Face Turn. |
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Marvel Cinematic Universe: In The Avengers (2012), Tony Stark raises this question to Loki, saying that even if he completes his plan in New York, his goal of world domination won't be an easy ride: he'll have to keep fighting the forces of Earth every step of the way. Loki, for his part, is fine with this. In Avengers: Infinity War, Dr. Strange asks Thanos what he aims to do after he's collected all six Infinity Stones and killed half the population of the universe to bring 'balance'. Thanos says his work will be done and he will be able to finally rest. Sure enough, once he's accomplished his goal, Thanos retires to a distant planet, and sits down to watch the sunset with a content expression. In Avengers: Endgame, Thanos even uses the Stones to destroy the Stones since he no longer needs them. What If…? (2021): In the episode "What If Ultron Won?", once Ultron's managed to seize the Infinity Stones and wipe out all life in his universe, he goes catatonic: he's completed his mission of bringing "peace" to the universe, and has no idea what to do beyond that. Then he works out that The Multiverse exists, and decides that his mission's not done... |
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One-Punch Man: This is the overarching problem for the main character Saitama, who is able to defeat almost any enemy in a single punch. The sheer ease he defeats his foes has caused him to lose any passion for his job as a hero defending the Earth. It's deconstructed since the only one keeping Saitama unsatisfied is himself. King notes that Saitama could find something else to do, but Saitama shows no desire or effort to find something new to occupy his time. Saitama starts to take King's words to heart, that being a hero should be its own reward and he should worry less about finding someone to give him a good fight and more about the lives he's protecting, but gets distracted by an attacking monster and completely forgets what they were talking about. | |
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In Dungeons & Dragons cosmology, Mephistopheles is the ruler of the Eighth Layer of the Nine Circles of Hell and has been scheming to usurp the throne of Hell from Asmodeus for eons. Still, Mephistopheles doesn't seem to have any plans for what he'd do should he succeed. The other Lords of Hell often joke that Mephistopheles is so egotistical that if he somehow overthrew Asmodeus, it would take less than an hour for Mephistopheles to start wondering why he wasn't also the ruler of Mount Celestia, the home of every God of Good in the D&D cosmology. | |
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Vow of Nudity: Fiora's origin story chronicles the web of sex, politics, and blackmail she orchestrated to learn magic despite the wishes of her clan, ending in everything blowing up in her face and getting her exiled (narrowly escaping execution with one final underhanded gambit.) As she's being escorted from her home village, the matriarch's final barrage of snippy comments is a mixture of this and "Was It Really Worth It?'', since Fiora may be free to practice magic now, but she's almost certainly going to die in the wilderness without anyone to help her survive. | |
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Castlevania (2017): It's brought up to Dracula that his Kill All Humans plan will deprive vampires of their most important food source and ultimately lead to their downfall. The death of Dracula's wife Lisa robbed him of any kind of affection for life, even that of his fellow vampires, and even his own. Dracula's ultimate goal of killing all of humanity serves no practical purpose other than taking out his anger on those he believes have wronged him, uncaring that this act will cause vampire-kind to starve. Several of Dracula's inner circle even point this out to him, but Dracula doesn't care, admitting he's "tired" and just wants it all to end. Carmilla, Hector, and even Godbrand express frustration over how overwhelmed Dracula is with apathy; the very obvious flaws in his plan going unaddressed causes a few of the vampires to openly discuss finding a way to remove him from the equation. By the same token, Dracula's son Alucard calls Dracula's plan "the world's longest suicide note" as one of the reasons why his father needs to be stopped. When Isaac encounters The Captain of a boat, the Captain asks what Isaac will do when he finishes his campaign of revenge, which will also Kill All Humans. The Captain argues that while humans can indeed be cruel, that's not all they can be. And while Isaac has certainly seen the worst of humanity, he's seen some goodness too, such as a merchant giving Isaac a gift. When all humans are gone, what is Isaac going to do without both aspects of humans around? This line of thinking eventually leads Isaac to pull a Heel–Face Turn; he still thinks humans are largely annoying, but he puts a stop to the vampire lords that are going to leave the world even worse and seems satisfied with that. Lenore hits Carmilla with this question in Season 4, and Carmilla's response is she wants to keep going in a misandrist crusade to take over the entire world from "stupid old men" just because she wants to. This serves as an Oh, Crap! moment that the Styrian sisters are in way over their heads. It leaves Lenore to abandon Carmilla's plan, as well as Striga and Morana to be not far behind when they also pick out the flaws in Carmilla's plan. |
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Rosario Vampire: Brightest Darkness Act I: After they're finally free of their abusive master thanks to Inner Moka, Apoch and Astreal admit that they wanted their freedom for so long, but never really thought about what to do with their lives afterwards... Ruby solves the problem by making them her assistants. | |
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At the end of 1824: The Arkansas War; Andrew Jackson explained how he, one of the biggest slaveholders in Tennessee, was convinced into throwing his weight behind the new Abolitionist party through ongoing correspondence with Sam Houston starting with the question of how he would conquer the largely Black Freedman Chiefdom of Arkansas.note The existence of which was an existential threat to the philosophical underpinning of slavery in the 'States. General Jackson promptly sketched out the multi-front multi-year campaign bringing the full force of the U. S. against the small nation with a well-trained army fighting on the defensive ("Bloody damned business, for sure, but I'd win."). Then Houston asked how he would recruit the soldiers needed or gain the political support for a conflict so unpopular in many areas that volunteer regiments for the enemy are openly recruiting in some states, and for that matter how does Jackson propose paying for all this? Finally, Jackson gave up and admitted that finessing a way to cut the slaves loose would do far less harm to the nation than the National Bank or widespread martial law required by the alternatives. | |
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Big Hero 6: We have Baymax asking Hiro, "Will terminating Callaghan improve your emotional state?" | |
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Sakura Quest: Yoshino is unhappy that her first job out of college has her becoming the figurehead of an effort to revitalize the declining rural town of Manoyama since she wanted to get away from her own rural hometown and get a job in Tokyo. As a result, Yoshino spends the first few episodes hoping to get back to Tokyo. Maki, a Manoyama native who spent some time out of the town in an ill-fated acting career, asks what's waiting for Yoshino back in Tokyo. Yoshino weakly protests that "everything" is there, prompting Maki to stare at her skeptically. | |
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Stargate SG-1: In "Window of Opportunity", a man has trapped everyone in a time loop so he can go back to see his dead wife. O'Neill asks the title question when he learns that her death is unavoidable. The villain (if you want to call him that) admits that she'll still die and render the entire exercise moot. O'Neill adds that seeing a person die once is painful enough and that's not something you want to repeat over and over. This helps get him to back down and avert the crisis. | |
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A villainous example (in that it's a villain asking it of another villain) occurs in Mega Man: Maverick Hunter X, at the end of Vile's story. After X and Zero defeat Vile, Sigma comes up to Vile as he explains that all he wanted was to defeat X once and for all. When Sigma asks Vile what he intended to do after that, Vile laughs and admits that he isn't sure what he would have done. An unamused Sigma then walks away, calling someone in to retrieve his body. | |
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Let's Make a Deal: An interview with Monty Hall, published in Jefferson Graham's "The Game Show Book," recalled the process of Hall pitching the iconic game show to the networks. One executive asked, in essence, this very question to Hall and Stephan Hatos, wanting to know how the concept of "keep a known or trade for an unknown" would be maintained the next day. When Hall and Hatos didn't give what was perceived to be a satisfactory answer, the one network passed. In the end, the Hatos-Hall team was able to answer the question quite well ... and game show history was made. | |
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Avatar: The Last Airbender: Uncle Iroh asks this of recurring antagonist Zuko when he discovers Appa in the Earth King's dungeons and intends to kidnap him. While up to this point he had more or less passively allowed Zuko to pursue the Avatar in his quest to "restore his honor", by that point they were wanted criminals of the Fire Nation, and Iroh rightly points out that his actions chasing the Avatar were downright Quixotic. In what suspiciously sounds like a reference to Babylon 5, he ends by asking the questions, "Who are you, and what do you want?" Zuko is forced to recognize the facts and decides to simply release Appa. The resulting conflict of character resulted in an Angst Coma and gave him nightmares. In an aversion of Aesop Amnesia, the lesson with Appa had stuck with Zuko quite nicely. His uncle complained specifically that kidnapping Appa wouldn't work because they had no place to shelter a flying bison in their apartment. Zuko brings up the same problem when Sokka tries to sneak off with Appa to visit the Boiling Rock by saying that high-security prisons in the middle of volcanoes don't have accommodations for flying bison and offers a non-living form of transportation in its place. |
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Hellsister Trilogy: The Maid of Might asks Satan Girl what she'll do if she manages to kill her. Satan Girl replies she'll figure out something. | |
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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Zig-zagged in the episode "Our Man Bashir". At the end, Bashir tries this on Dr. Noah to buy enough time to save the crew, but this fails. So he decides to go one step further down the line and forces the plan into Step 3 by setting off the villain's plan; destroying the holographic world. By the time Noah decides to destroy Bashir after all, the holosuite program is safe to deactivate. Just before it all ends, though, Dr. Noah admits that he honestly didn't expect to win. | |
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Endride: Multiple heroes end up giving this criticism to the protagonist, Emilio, who is on a senseless revenge quest. Demetrio gives him one of the fastest dressing downs when Emilio asks the Ignauts for help: | |
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Villains' Code: Belaam wants to destroy the villain guild that he is part of because he feels it has made villains soft and defanged, where they spend more time attending meetings and filling out paperwork than true villainy like conquering the world. Doctor Mechanical asks him what he plans to do after conquering the world, and points out that if anyone conquers the world, they're gonna end up having to attend a lot of meetings and fill out a lot of paperwork. Belaam dismisses this as weak-willed nonsense, but Doctor Mechanical has traveled a number of alternate realities, and he saw in a number of them what happened when he successfully conquered the world. Apparently this was why he founded the guild; it's the same amount of work, but this way doesn't piss off the entire world in the process. | |
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In Mass Effect 2, the goal of the geth is revealed to create a Dyson-Sphere-like structure for all their programs to inhabit. When Shepard asks what they will do next, Legion admits they don't have an "after"-plan, but they are confident that their combined intelligence will be able to come up with a new goal. | |
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In the Citadel DLC for Mass Effect 3 the Cerberus clone of Shepard suffers from this kind of thinking. Supposing that this clone had taken Shepard's life, identity, and ship, what exactly was Clone Shepard's plan to save the galaxy from the Reapers? Clone Shepard can't answer the question, since they were so focused on their mission that they didn't have any time to think about the Reapers. | |
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Occasionally affects Pinky and the Brain. The most obvious case was from "It's Only a Paper World", where the scheme is to empty the Earth. It works, but without any actual subjects, the Brain gets bored. Sometimes they need that Reset Button. | |
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Steven Universe: Believing him to be his shapeshifted mother, Eyeball wants to cut Steven open and bring his gem back to Yellow Diamond as a trophy. She starts ranting at length about how she'll be regarded as a hero for killing her people's greatest enemy and given riches and success beyond her wildest dreams. As a counterpoint, Steven argues out that, at this particular moment, they're floating through space in a bubble powered by his emotions, and that killing him would leave her stranded without any hope of rescue. She tells him to stop trying to trick her and starts chasing after him with a chisel knife. Steven is hit with this in Steven Universe: Future. After spending almost a lifetime helping others, he doesn't know what to do anymore now that there's no problems for him to solve... Except maybe his own. However, this uncertainty, combined with all the trauma he's experienced throughout the series, makes the situation get worse and worse from there. |
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Frozen Turtles: Into the Unknown: Fishface asks this question in the run-up to the final battle, as he comes to realize Shredder's plans have been reduced to mindless destruction. The other mutants on the Foot don't have time to think up an answer before the fighting starts. | |
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Agarest Senki: When you defeat one of the (otherwise redeemable) villains, one of your party members, Murmina, wants to finish him off. However, the protagonist stands between them to stop Murmina and asks her what exactly she plans to do after her revenge. He is trying to see whether she truly only lives for vengeance and whether she is as consumed by hate as she claims. | |
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Mass Effect: In Mass Effect 2, the goal of the geth is revealed to create a Dyson-Sphere-like structure for all their programs to inhabit. When Shepard asks what they will do next, Legion admits they don't have an "after"-plan, but they are confident that their combined intelligence will be able to come up with a new goal. Happens in the ending sequence of Mass Effect 3. When Shepard finally meets the Illusive Man face to face, the latter gloats about how much he will gain by taking control of the Reapers. Shepard asks him what he's going to do with their "gifts", but the Illusive Man is so power-drunk (and indoctrinated) that he can only respond by hijacking Shepard's motor functions and forcing them to shoot Anderson. In the Citadel DLC for Mass Effect 3 the Cerberus clone of Shepard suffers from this kind of thinking. Supposing that this clone had taken Shepard's life, identity, and ship, what exactly was Clone Shepard's plan to save the galaxy from the Reapers? Clone Shepard can't answer the question, since they were so focused on their mission that they didn't have any time to think about the Reapers. |
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Asked by Jimmy Jacobs to Jon Moxley on the need to keep fighting everyone and everything in life during their 2010 Dragon Gate USA feud. | |
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Zatch Bell!: This is also the Armor-Piercing Question that gets asked to Bari, and spurs his Character Development. Despite his incredible power (enough to hand Zatch and Kiyo their first real defeat), his obsession with proving his strength isn't enough and leaves him constantly irritable in the tournament to become king. He seeks out Zatch because of his strength and he begins seeing him as a Worthy Opponent for refusing to give up. When Zatch responds his dream of being a kind king is why he keeps fighting, it shakes Bari to his core. This finally forces Bari to confront what kind of king he wants to be (he decides on being a "Strong" one) and gives a real goal to strive for besides just proving his strength. Gustav, Bari's bookowner, thanks the two for giving Bari some kind of direction to be able to grow. As thanks, the two spare the protagonists so they could grow stronger. When we see him later, he's mellowed out considerably and while scarred and lost one of his horns against a strong opponent, he won because of his new sense of conviction. | |
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The Musketeers: Constance uses this line of argument with D'Artagnan to explain why she chose to stay with her husband even though she truly loves D'Artagnan. Constance realizes that she has limited options as a woman and must stay with her husband to have a stable, respectable life. | |
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In Phineas and Ferb, some of Doofenshmirtz's plans end up this way. He actually tends to call attention to this himself, rather than have somebody ask since he faces off against Perry the Platypus. In the very first episode, Doof admitted he had no clue what one could expect to gain by reverting Earth's rotation. | |
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Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019): Dr. Stanton poses this question to the Eco-Terrorist Emma Russell when the latter reveals they intend to release all the Kaiju so they can inflict Gaia's Vengeance, believing nothing but destroyed wasteland will be left in the aftermath. Emma replies without missing a beat that the creatures won't devastate the planet's biosphere but will instead rejuvenate it. The end shows that she was ultimately right, although countless millions perished and she doesn't live to see it. | |
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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Defied in the Jedi Knight story, when the Hero of Tython asks Vitiate what the point of all the killing is; even if it grants him eternal life, it's apparently eternal life alone. But since this is one of, if not the most powerful Sith lords in Star Wars lore, Vitiate has his answer ready: In the Imperial Agent story, the player character has the option to talk down Darth Jadus from his plan to take over the Empire by pointing out how much opposition he'll face even after killing his main rivals. |
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MsChif started wrestling with intent to take over and violate as much as the industry as possible, but a few world tours and possessions of the NWA World Women's Championship caused her to become content and gradually put personal manners above title runs and "fun" of profile. (fun still translates to other people's anguished screams but she became less vicious, cutting back on the green mist and largely abandoning low blows) | |
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In Quiet Snow, Yukiko asks this question of one of the boys who confesses to her. She asks if he's willing to stay with her in Inaba for the rest of his life and work for her at the Amagi Inn, neither of which are appealing to him. She adds that her family has high standards for any potential suitors, which he most likely won't be able to meet. He gets the hint and withdraws his confession. | |
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Romance writer Joan Wilder finds herself facing this problem in the sequel to Romancing the Stone. Now that she's actually met, romanced, and sailed off into the sunset with the handsome hero—what comes next? Have another adventure, of course! | |
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Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake: Simon, Fionna, and Cake encounter an incarnation of the Lich who succeeded in his ultimate goal of wiping out all life in his universe. However, in doing so, he lost all sense of purpose, since he had devoted himself to that sole cause his entire existence, and achieving it brought him no satisfaction. By the time our protagonist trio encounters him, he's fallen into a deep depression; even when he's confronted by this new life to obliterate, he can't bring himself to kill them, simply because he doesn't see the point anymore. | |
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In the original All Kamen Riders: Rider Generations the Neo-Lifeform Doras' goal is to become The Ultimate Lifeform. A few of the riders call him on this, asking what he'd do after. He never gives an answer if he has one, but then Doras has never been rational. | |
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A heroic attempted aversion is found in the first Horus Heresy novel, where Horus has decreed that all of his Astartes are to learn skills and talents outside of warmaking because the Great Crusade has to end eventually, and he wants his sons to have a purpose in the new order that would follow. Things.....didn't turn out that way. | |
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In the Gargoyles episode "The Price", Xanatos tries to become immortal. Hudson gives him a variation of this trope. Xanatos actually seems disturbed by this. | |
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In Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable: The Gears of Destiny, this was asked by Levi to her Lord Dearche when Dearche was talking about her plans to use the limitless power of System U-D to finally kill Hayate. This caused her to stumble over her words since she's never actually planned things out past that stage. When she finally rallied herself enough to go on a destroy everyone and everything spiel, her loyal minions then point out how meaningless such a goal is. This helps the start of her Character Development, as she gradually changes from a bratty Omnicidal Maniac Evil Overlord obsessed with gaining more power to a more Noble Demon. | |
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Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children: The Remnants of Sephiroth spend most of the film looking for Jenova. After attacking Edge City, fighting Cloud, his friends, Rufus Shinra and the Turks, Kadaj finally gets her head... and has no idea what to do with it. Cloud lampshades it, remarking that because he's just a remnant, he's driven by instinct rather than thought, with no understanding of what he's doing. The real intention is Sephiroth's, who plans to resurrect by replacing Kadaj, which isn't necessarily in Kadaj's interests. | |
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In Ys: The Oath in Felghana, Dogi asks this of Chester after learning his motivations for collecting the four statues. Dogi wonders what Chester's going to do after he's gotten his revenge, and if it'll be worth it. Chester briefly falters, but announces that he's come too far to turn back and stabs Dogi. | |
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Girl Genius: Lots of Sparks have plans along the lines of "Create invincible army of lobster-constructs And Show Them All," without considering what happens after they've conquered the kingdom just to prove that they can. Most of them end up attacking the Baron Wulfenbach. Assuming they survive the experience, they're mostly happy in his labs, where they don't have to worry about anything but inventing. Subverted with Othar. His plan of "Kill all Sparks, then myself, ending the threat of Sparks forever" isn't exactly genius, but at least he has an answer. |
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Sonic Adventure: When Tikal declares that Perfect Chaos must be resealed within the Master Emerald, Sonic asks her this. He points out that Chaos will still be a ball of rage trapped by his own emotions with the unspoken point that if he were freed again, he'd just go on another rampage. Tikal points out they don't have any other options until the other heroes provide one by bringing in the discarded Chaos Emeralds to create Super Sonic. | |
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In Soon I Will Be Invincible, Doctor Impossible muses on what would happen if he actually succeeded in taking over the world, and "whether this is the best thing that the most intelligent man in the world could have done with his life". (But his Science-Related Memetic Disorder will keep him at it, nonetheless.) | |
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Star vs. the Forces of Evil: In a subversion of the "villain has no real answer, but it doesn't bother him" kind, Ludo gloats about how "Soon, the wand will be mine. And then the universe. And then...! Actually, the universe should do it." | |
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Red Dead Redemption: John Marston, dealing with Rebel Leader Abraham Reyes, tries to get him to stop promoting his own glory for five seconds and think about what he'll do to improve Mexico. Eventually, he comes down to asking, "And after all the shootin' and fightin's over, then what?" To Reyes's credit, he actually has an answer to that: | |
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Being Human (UK): In season 1, George asks this both times Mitchell tells him to run away. | |
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Subverted in Lexx, where the villains always knew exactly what they were going to do after scouring, dismantling, or otherwise ruining a planet: the exact same thing to the next planet, until the entire multiverse was used up. | |
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Rome: Mark Antony (advised by a young Octavian) uses this brilliantly to force a truce with Caesar's killers. | |
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In Red vs. Blue Season 10, Sarge asks this with regard to killing the Director of Project Freelancer. Although the vast majority of problems that plagued the Reds and Blues stemmed from that program, Sarge is unsure what they'd actually gain by running off to go after him. Combined with the fact that Carolina planned to use the Blood Gulchers as more or less cannon fodder, this leads them to decide Screw This, I'm Outta Here. The alien AI "Santa" asks this of Locus at the end of Season 13, asking if Locus' continued pursuit of the Reds and Blues will actually bring their side victory in the war. Locus admits it won't but doesn't have a good answer for what he really wants, with Santa revealing the extent of Locus' partner Felix's manipulation and leading to Locus solidifying his Heel–Face Turn. |
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Animorphs: The Animorphs often try to convince themselves, and each other, that after they've saved humanity from a race of alien parasitic monsters, they'll just go back to being regular kids. Sadly, that doesn't work out; by the end of the series, most of them are utterly broken, with only Cassie and Marco stable enough to live normal lives. A variant appears in #48, when Rachel asks herself the question, and realizes what the consequences of her Deal with the Devil will be. A minor version when Cassie plans to rescue Aftran (who's been discovered to lead a peace movement) from the Yeerk pool while the rest of the team is sick. Even if it works, she'd be condemning Aftran to a slow death by Kandrona starvation. The solution is to have Aftran permanently morph into a whale. |
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In While Mighty Oaks Do Fall, Fire Sage Izumi praises Zuko for denouncing the current bipartite governance of the Fire Nation as corrupt and not doing its intended job, then asks him how he plans to rebuild the system after ending the war. Zuko is left speechless, and Izumi tells him to think more about the consequences before inciting a civil war. | |
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A more heroic example occurs in Pokémon Black and White with Cheren. One of the protagonist's Childhood Friends alongside Bianca, he is your more serious rival with his goal of being the strongest trainer and the Champion. The current Champion, Alder, does ask Cheren several times what he plans to do when he becomes the strongest trainer and tells him that being the strongest isn't all the Champion's about. Cheren is left pretty stunned by this until Character Development as he helps you. By the end of the game, Cheren has an answer: Protect the powerless and help them become stronger, too. Consequently, he becomes the new Normal-type Gym Leader and the head instructor of the Trainer's School in the sequels. |
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Kamen Rider OOO: Ankh asks this of the other Greeed in regards to becoming complete. Unlike the others, he's come to realize that becoming complete is a moot point because that still won't satisfy them and that he realized his desire for something more: to be alive. Meanwhile, the complete lack of understanding on their side disgusts him even more than the realization. | |
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Kamen Rider Zi-O: Sougo asks Another OOO/Kuruto Dan what he'll do after he becomes a king and conquers the world. Dan retorts that he'll make people bow to his will, but otherwise it's clear that he doesn't actually have anything concrete in mind, confirming to Sougo that Dan is truly unfit to be a ruler. | |
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In Storks, Junior is elated to hear that he's going to become the boss of the company, but when pressed, admits that he has no idea what he'll do as boss. | |
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Dirty Sympathy: Edgeworth asks Phoenix what he will do if he has Klavier and Apollo arrested and jailed for their crime. What will Phoenix do for the innocent people they helped whose cases might be overturned or for the horrible people they put away if their crimes come to light? | |
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The question strongly underlies the conclusions and main themes to Mizukami Satoshi's The Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer and Psycho Staff. You have phenomenal powers! You can save the world! ...and then what? It turns out that you have a life you still have to live after saving everything. And in Biscuit Hammer, that is probably the most intolerable thing Samidare can think of because she's terminally ill and won't have very long to live after saving the world and her power leaves her. | |
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Tangled: The Series: In the Season 1 finale "Secret of the Sundrop", evil-turned Varian has abducted Queen Arianna as bait to get Rapunzel to free his father Quirin from amber. Arianna asks him what he will do after he frees his father, hoping he'll realize what he did, but he does not listen to her and still vows all of Corona will pay for turning their backs on him. | |
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Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn: In episode 5, Riddhe Marcenas gets in the way of other people's efforts to rescue Audrey because he wants to do so himself, mostly because he sees her as a solution to his own problems. He's stuck for an answer when she asks if he even has a plan, and when forced to articulate his thoughts, his pitch is essentially "I don't know how to fix this corrupt system, but you and I could help maintain the status quo forever." Unsurprisingly, she chooses to go with Banagher and his idealism. | |
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Mystery Science Theater 3000: In the episode "The Killer Shrews", Dr. Forrester declares in the Invention Exchange that he will "cleave in two this puny planet", but can't think of a good reason when Joel and the Bots ask why. | |
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Gladiator: A non-villainous example. Asked by an incredulous Senator Gaius after Maximus tells of his intent to march on Rome with his army to remove Commodus and reinstate the Republic, as per Marcus Aurelius' wishes. But Maximus has an answer. | |
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Lupin III: Zenigata has an...unusual case of this. His entire life revolves around his seemingly eternal chase of the title thief and when Lupin does wind up in jail Zenigata is all too happy to go from putting Lupin behind bars to keeping him there, sometimes in the lead-up to the thief's execution. But the longer Lupin goes locked up, the less content Zenigata tends to find himself. The cop may rather chew broken glass than admit it but he enjoys the chase with Lupin immensely and often finds that Victory Is Boring, no matter how determined he can be in the pursuit of the Gentleman Thief. And that's not even getting into what happens if it seems that Lupin has died. Zenigata goes full Antagonist in Mourning over Lupin and there are plenty of hints that he honestly has no idea what he would do with himself if the game between them ever ends for good. note In fact, when the original voice actor for Lupin died, Zenigata's voice actor gave a eulogy to this effect in character at the funeral | |
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SSSS.GRIDMAN: Anti, an artificial Kaiju proclaims his existence is to defeat Gridman, until Calibur directly questions him on what Anti would do after he defeats Gridman, much to his own shock. | |
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Becoming a True Invader: Kor admits that she didn't put any thought into her plans beyond getting off of Fefa. That's why she sticks around with Zim's group despite not even thinking their mission can succeed since she has nowhere else to go. | |
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Knight Bewitched: Strasza questions the heroes about this. After killing Typhus, the situation of the dragons would be more or less the same, they still would be enemy of the humans and have way too little food. They strike a deal to dedicate themselves to make peace between humans and dragons and transport dragongrass to them. | |
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In Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, Barbossa asks of Elizabeth, "I'm curious. After killing me, what is it you're planning on doing next?" as he pulls a bloody knife from his chest. After all, Elizabeth thought very little about it, and if she had successfully killed Barbossa, she had a ship full of pirates to get through, combined with the fact that the ship was out in the middle of the ocean with miles to go before reaching land. | |
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Invoked by Clove in Twice Chosen; like other victors of the Games, she only realises after winning that she was so focused on simply surviving that she never considered what the aftermath of winning would be. | |
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Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple: Early on, minor Ragnarok member Tsuji tries recruiting Kenichi for his street gang to become the top town delinquents. A pause, and then Kenichi asks what the point of that is as they won't be in school forever, and they can't be delinquents forever. Tsuji has no response, so he gets frustrated and attacks Kenichi instead. Also played with rather humorously in a conversation between Honoka and Tanimoto. |
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An episode of Seth MacFarlane's Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy called "Die, Sweet Roadrunner, Die", had Wile E. Coyote going through an existential crisis after finally catching and eating the Roadrunner. He gets (and loses) a job as a waiter, then tries to commit suicide via ACME catapult before finding God and becoming a Jehovah's Witness. | |
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I'm a Marvel... And I'm a DC: Part of the reasoning behind Joker's plan in the second season is about averting this trope. Realizing that he'd be "a joker without a straight man" if he killed Batman, he decides to make all superheroes even more dark and edgy than Batman to always give him someone to fight against. | |
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Lobotomy Corporation: The Abnormality known as the Queen of Hatred was once known as the Magical Girl of Love, who fought villains and saved people from evil. When she defeated the very last villain, she realized that she was no longer needed to save the world. She didn't take this very well. | |
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Done twice in Toy Story 2, once by the villain and once by the heroes. Stinky Pete asks Woody if he really thinks Andy will take Woody to college or on his honeymoon, saying that Andy won't be young forever, and then what's Woody going to do? Pete manages to convince Woody to go to a toy museum in Japan, but Buzz turns this right back around on Woody by asking him what he'll do once he's actually there, since Woody will have to "watch kids from behind glass and never be loved again". Realizing that what time he gets with Andy is worth it, Woody turns against Pete and starts trying to get back home. | |
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A variation in Fierce Creatures. After hearing the plans to increase revenue from their new corporate owner, one of the zookeepers asks the spokesperson: "how much does he want in the end?" Rather baffled at this, the spokesperson asks for clarification, and realizes that the zookeeper is asking for a total sum of money that the boss wants to gain from his new venture, completely unaware that there is no set goal beyond just making more and more money. | |
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Jonathan Creek: In "Jack in the Box", Maddie proposes an elaborate solution for the Locked Room Mystery they are facing, only for Jonathan to bring her to a screeching halt with "Why? Why would anyone undertake this extraordinary series of actions you have just described?" | |
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For the last 50,000 years, the Harvesters have plotted revenge against the Reapers for destroying their homeworld. As the Final Battle of the Reaper War unfolds, a scene from the POV of a Harvester Queen has her ruminate on the fact that her race hasn't put much thought into what they'll do now that they've actually won. After the war's end, they and the Vinn (who likewise had dedicated themselves solely to fighting the Reapers) find themselves without a purpose, only to ultimately find a new one in leading the Shield Alliance, treating the other members as Protectorates. | |
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The final episode of The Venture Bros. had Dr. Venture's Arch-Enemy The Monarch being presented with the perfect opportunity to kill him as part of his test to advance to the highest level of the Guild of Calamitous Intent. He refuses, saying "Hating Venture gives me life" and that with him gone there's no point to being a villain. This turns out to be the correct answer and he gets his promotion. | |
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How to Write Badly Well: Lord Plunderfall hasn't really thought out what he'll do if he wins, it seems. | |
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Code Geass: In episode 8 of R2, when the Black Knights ask Zero what his plan to fight the Britannians' latest move is, he responds, "Fighting, then more fighting... and then what?" The Black Knights are shocked that he would suggest that there's an alternative to fighting, but he points out that fighting isn't the only way - or the most productive way - to get to their goal of liberating Japan. He manages to come up with a plan that moves them towards that goal without wasting lives in the process (the famous Million Zeroes gambit). In terms of sides, it's an interesting example, since he's replying to his own side, but at this point, their opponent, the Viceroy of Area 11, is Nunnally, Lelouch's beloved sister, so in a way, he's doing this for both sides. | |
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In Darkest Dungeon, when the townsfolk grew restless and unease with the Ancestor's delving into black magic, the Ancestor hired a group of brigands to keep the Torches and Pitchforks at bay with a cannon. What happens when he died, or what would the group of sociopaths do with such heavy weaponry after successfully keeping the townsfolk at bay, didn't concern him at that time. Unfortunately, this means one of the threats the Heir has to deal with is the Brigand Cannon, a fairly tough boss monster. | |
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In Piece of a Diamond, everyone had come to terms with the fact that Rose would disappear at Steven's birth, so when Rose survives it, she is understandably happy, if not off-put since she had spent so much time getting her affairs in order beforehand. | |
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Referenced in Blood of Tyrants when a Mrs. Pemberton describes a dispute she had with the teenage girl she was chaperoning over her insistence on not only setting up a separate tent at a campsite but giving young Emily the only cot as she slept at the entrance. When asked what she would do if anyone intent on rapine or other violence tried to force their way in Pemberton stated she would cry out. A compromise was then made; Mrs. Pemberton would take the cot and cry out as she felt appropriate, while Midwingman Emily Roland would sleep on the ground with an unsheathed sword in hand. | |
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In Tales of Graces, Asbel asks this to the villain. Big Bad Lambda is ranting about how humans are evil, and how he's going to Kill All Humans. Asbel promptly turns this into an Armor-Piercing Question by asking "Okay, then what? If you kill everybody, you'll be totally alone, and you and everything in the entire world will die. You really want that?" The Big Bad is silent for a Beat, then throws a tantrum and begins the final boss battle proper. | |
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Connecting the Dots, a Naruto/DC Animated Universe crossover, has The Spectre asking Naruto what he'll do when he becomes Hokage. This shuts him up enough for the Spectre to explain how sometimes it's better to fail than to succeed because A) there's nothing to do after a goal has been completed and B) sometimes what we've been working for really isn't that great. | |
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The Great Alicorn Hunt: Celestia asks this of Sunset Shimmer in Chapter 18 before revealing her reasons for the Pancaea, as Shimmer didn't know what Celestia's true plan was. Interestingly, Sunset Shimmer does have sort of an answer to the trope question, admitting that she didn't really have a plan on what she was planning to do after becoming a princess, but she says that well, if she was a princess, she'd have plenty of opportunity to figure it out. Opportunity that Celestia denied her. Surprisingly, Mudpuppy gets some of this once she learns that she's a princess in chapter 27. In chapter 50, Mach One is convinced that Celestia hasn't answered this question for all the points between starting the "Ascend everybody scheme" and its conclusion. |
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In Peanuts: | |
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Game of Thrones: In season 5, Tyrion Lannister asks this very question to Jorah Mormont about Daenerys Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne, as if she was expecting that would magically fix everything wrong with Westeros. Clearly, Jorah had never thought that far ahead, and neither had Daenerys. He rightly posits that just because her (insane) father sat on the throne doesn't give her that right over anyone else, nor does that automatically make her a good leader, especially as she hadn't even considered what she would do as Queen of Westeros. This was also Robert Baratheon's exact problem. Daenerys has always assumed the common folk would rally behind her, and that would be enough. Tyrion hypothesizes that, even if the smallfolk would support her (which is a very generous assumption), there are few noble houses that would support the Targaryen cause. Asked verbatim by Talisa to point out Robb is in the middle of a clash of kings, fighting to overthrow and kill a king with no plan for what comes after. When Bronn asks how Jaime plans to get Myrcella out of Dorne, Jaime doesn't have an answer. When Brienne tries to liberate Arya from the Hound and "take her to safety" he directly asks her how she intends to do that. He'd been trying and failing to do so for a season and a half at this point, only to find that every possible guardian is dead. Brienne completely disregards the question, and then acts surprised that Arya runs off on her own instead of going with her. |
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Land of the Lustrous: As soon as Phos tells Cinnabar their plan to investigate Kongou-Sensei, Cinnabar immediately shoots back that they need to have an idea of what to do after they find out the truth. | |
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When you clear the sidequest involving the twin-headed snake in Rakenzarn Tales, guest party member Cain Argol - who'd been after the thing the whole time to avenge his teammates - runs into this if you ask him what he plans to do since he'd spent so much time trying to get revenge. You can offer to invite him along to save the world as a new purpose. | |
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In one Two Guys and Guy comic, Wayne's bad pickup line actually succeeds in getting a woman's attention and he has no idea what to do next. | |
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By the end of Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog Dr. Horrible has achieved all of his objectives only to realize the meaninglessness of it and that he has nothing going forward. | |
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Dog Day Afternoon has loads of this, with Charles Durning repeatedly trying to convince Al Pacino and John Cazale to turn themselves in. | |
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Hamilton has King George's second song "What Comes Next?". Sung in response to the American victory at Yorktown, George questions what the Americans plan to do now that they're independent. | |
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In The Incredibles, Syndrome averts this. During his ranting to Bob, he outlines his plan and mentions that his ultimate endgame, once he's "old and had [his] fun" with pretending to be a hero, is to make all his inventions publicly available so that superpowers won't be special anymore. | |
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In Nixon, when President Nixon argues that he wants to end the Vietnam War, but he cannot do it, a student asks him: Then what was the point to being president? | |
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Duckman: When Duckman is questioning Bernice's obscenely wealthy fiancee Baron Von Dillweed, he asks what Dillweed really wants out of life; "to make more money." And then? "Make more money." And then? "Make more money." And then? "Make more money"...he truly doesn't care about anything else, which is why Bernice ultimately dumps him. | |
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From SpongeBob SquarePants: In "Mermaid Man vs. SpongeBob", Plankton uses a hypnotized Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy to convince the customers at the Krusty Krab to come to the Chum Bucket. His plot did not overlap with stealing the Krabby Patty formula, so when the customers come he has no food, and by the time he prepares something SpongeBob has already saved the day. |
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In Warhammer 40,000, the Chaos God Tzeentch is the god of, among other things, plotting and manipulation. As such, he has countless schemes and plans in the works that involve many parts of the galaxy and warpspace, many are contingency plans to contingency plans, or otherwise are mutually exclusive. Many theorize he seeks a final, unknowable end goal. "And then what?" While most of his followers know they can't trust him and can reliably assume that they're being deceived in some way, it's an accepted point in their theology that Tzeentch doesn't actually have a particular ultimate goal; if he had one, and eventually succeeded, it would mean the end of the embodiment of scheming and ambition, and ultimately something that's not in Tzeentch's nature. Tzeentch doesn't scheme to win, he schemes to scheme and that's all he can do. | |
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The Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law episode "X Gets the Crest" has X win Harvey's crest in a game of gin. When asked what he plans on doing now that he achieved his life goal, he broke down sobbing. Harvey tricks X into giving him the crest back, causing X to swear revenge. | |
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In Suicide Squad (2016), the squad members are passing a message along to each member that as soon as possible, they should try to kill and escape from the agents who are controlling them. When the message gets to El Diablo, he repeatedly asks, "And then what?" For him, there is no escape from the reality that they're criminals, and he feels they cannot outrun what they really are. The other squad members aren't quite so noble. | |
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Final Fantasy X subverts the question. Tidus asks this of everyone else when Yuna still insists on performing the Final Summoning, despite knowing that Sin will eventually come back. Yuna's going to die performing the Final Summoning... and then what happens once she's done, knowing Sin will return one day? The other party members shut Tidus down by saying what little peace they get from Sin is worth the trouble. However, it's ultimately double subverted, since the party confronts Climax Boss Lady Yunalesca with the same question. She reveals that the Final Summoning ensures Sin's perpetuated existence from the previous summoner's sacrifice. So the party members quickly change their minds about perpetuating a fleeting peace, and decide to find a way to kill Sin permanently. | |
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Growing Pains had a non-villainous example, with Dad talking to Carol about her plans for after high school. Carol said she was going to go to college, get her bachelor's degree, then her master's, then her doctorate, with Dad asking the question each step of the way. When she asked, "Isn't a doctorate good enough for you?", he pointed out that she needed to leave school and go out into "the real world" to get a job at some point. | |
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The Matrix Revolutions: An interesting variant with Smith. After assimilating the Oracle and her powers, he foresees his final battle with — and defeat of — Neo. At the end, that moment seems to finally come... and its only then that Smith realizes he literally can't see anything past winning. Because it leads to his death; his "triumph" over Neo by assimilating him does nothing but reconnect Smith to Deus Ex Machina, allowing it to purge Smith from the Matrix. | |
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My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: In the season 5 finale "The Cutie Re-mark", the first phase of Starlight Glimmer's plan to go back in time and prevent the Mane Six from getting their cutie marks goes off without a hitch, but she clearly didn't think much about what would happen afterward. Twilight shows Starlight what will result from mucking around with time — namely, some scenario where The Bad Guy Wins as one of the Mane Six's previous villains takes over Equestria, with each one by themselves being an entity that Starlight can't possibly hope to stop alone. Upon seeing one final timeline where the entire country is nothing but a barren wasteland, Starlight decides not to go through with it and surrenders to Twilight. In "On Your Marks", the Cutie Mark Crusaders finally achieved their goals of getting their cutie marks some time ago... so, now what are they going to do? While Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo take up new hobbies, Apple Bloom is left pondering the future, and how to go about their special skill of helping other ponies discover their true talents. Apple Bloom feels especially down when she realizes that despite her talent being helping others with their unique abilities and passions, she can't find one of her own. |
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Doctor Who: The Doctor likes to deconstruct his enemies' plans with this question sometimes, like in "The Pirate Planet": The Doctor really drives it home in "The Zygon Inversion". |
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This exchange from Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged Movie combines this trope with the Villain Ball: Also played with with Zorc in the same movie, who (when asked what he'll do after destroying the world) has an immediate answer: "I'm Going to Disney World!! And then I'm going to destroy it!" But since he had so much fun at Disney World, he decides to spare it and destroy EuroDisney instead. In "Evil Council 4", Yugi tells Melvin that killing him won't change the past or solve any of his problems. Unfortunately, Melvin considers the round of maniacal laughter he'll have afterwards to be a good enough accomplishment. |
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Bloom Into You: Touko has dedicated much of her life to "becoming" her older sister Mio, a highly accomplished girl and Student Council President who died in her second year of high school, seven years ago, and doing everything Mio could not, particularly reviving the School Play. For the most part, Touko's too busy working toward this goal to think much about what she'll do once it's done, but she's forced to ask herself this question sometime after learning that Mio was apparently a bit of a slacker, and one of Mio's old friends believes Touko is a much better Student Council President than her big sister ever was. Touko routinely receives confessions from her schoolmates (both boys and girls), but turns them all down. Sayaka asks if Touko ever considered any of them, but Touko replies that none of them had seriously considered what would happen if Touko accepted. |
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In Dorkly Bits' Robotnik Finally Wins, Robotnik finally succeeds in his plan to turn all the creatures of the world into robots, but then realizes he never thought about the next step after that. Actually he did, he just completely forgot what the reason was. Until the end. |
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In Level 30 Psychiatry Dr. Gardevoir asks this of Bowser. He hasn't a clue. | |
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In Up, Carl has no idea what he's going to do once he gets to Paradise Falls. It was his and Ellie's dream to live there for the rest of their lives. However, since Ellie is dead and Carl is an old man, not much can be accomplished. The first thing he does when he sets his house down, he moves his and Ellie's chairs together... and sits in dead silence. It doesn't last too long as he reexamines the photo album of him and Ellie and looks back at their wonderful times before seeing her final message thanking him for all of their adventures and encouraging him to go have more. He ends up deciding to do just that and saves the day, going on to become a father figure to Russell. | |
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The Wire: Season 3 provides a more mundane but nonetheless fitting example. Lester Freamon (an older, wiser detective who has only relatively recently escaped a very long sentence of 13 years and four months in the Pawnshop Unit for bucking the system) gives a speech to Jimmy McNulty (a younger detective who is brilliant but also Married to the Job, an asshole, and an alcoholic, womanizing personal trainwreck) about how every case, no matter how big or glorious, ends, and you've got to have something else in your life. | |
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Villains by Necessity: At a point where two-thirds of the party is about to try to kill each other, Kaylana defuses the impending fight by asking them what is likely to happen if one member succeeds in killing everyone else. After everyone realizes that none of them can survive in the overly light world alone for long, they stand down. | |
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In The Avengers (2012), Tony Stark raises this question to Loki, saying that even if he completes his plan in New York, his goal of world domination won't be an easy ride: he'll have to keep fighting the forces of Earth every step of the way. Loki, for his part, is fine with this. | |
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Legend of the Galactic Heroes: This trope is a prominent theme by the end of the series. When talented soldiers who have gained fame and recognition in wars have nothing more to use their talents on, tragedy ensues. | |
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Uprooted: When the Court Mage called The Falcon arrives at his keep accompanied by Prince Marek and a small troop of horsemen in response to rumors of someone being rescued from the nearby enchanted forest, the first thing out of his mouth to The Dragon is an insincerely regretful accusation of him losing his senses out in the hinterlands. The Dragon promptly cuts The Falcon off by noting how ill-prepared he seems for the eventuality he is hinting at: | |
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In The Curse of Monkey Island, when LeChuck has captured Guybrush, you can have Guybrush ask him what he'll do after killing him and point out that he's going to be forgotten without the hero he's fighting. It stumps him, but since it's just a joke, it doesn't help make him stop or let Guybrush go. | |
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In an early Dragon Ball arc, Emperor Pilaf's mook Shu once asked him what he was going to do after acquiring his wish of controlling the world. Pilaf shrugged off the question. | |
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In Tales of Xillia, Milla asks this of Big Bad Gaius before a Climax Boss fight. Gaius is the king of Auj Oule, and an Anti-Villain whose goal is to gather all of the world's superweapons into one place, as Gaius feels that the strong have a duty to defend the weak. Milla promptly deconstructs this view by asking Gaius what he thinks he'll do once he's got all those weapons, since it'll be a guarantee that someone else is going to want all of them and come after Auj Oule for them. Following up on this line of thought, Milla asks another Armor-Piercing Question by reminding Gaius that he's a mortal man, and will one day die. So what is Gaius going to do, Milla asks, to ensure that the next person who takes the throne will have the same ideals he does as to what to do with all those superweapons? For the first and only time in the game, Gaius has no response to this counterargument. | |
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In Beast Wars, one episode sees the entire Predacon team destroy themselves in a base explosion, leaving the defector Dinobot the only survivor. Dinobot asks this of himself if their plan to repair the ship and return to Cybertron succeeds. If he returns, he fears being treated, at best, as a Predacon and at worst, as a Maximal. He ultimately decides the best he can do is to remain on the planet and keep fighting until he is ultimately destroyed. Thankfully, for him at least, it turns out the Predacons were faking dead to lure the Maximals into a trap and he instead gets to remain fighting alongside his Maximal allies. He doesn't get the chance to ask this question again. | |
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Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet falls somewhere between this and So What Do We Do Now?, as this question causes Ledo to finally start questioning his path in life. Being a child soldier taught that his only purpose is to kill the enemy in the Galactic Alliance's Forever War, he's a bit confused when asked what he would do if it ever turned out that his side actually won. As far as he's concerned, fighting the war is the only way for humanity to survive, and the only reason that it has for surviving. | |
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What If…? (2021): In the episode "What If Ultron Won?", once Ultron's managed to seize the Infinity Stones and wipe out all life in his universe, he goes catatonic: he's completed his mission of bringing "peace" to the universe, and has no idea what to do beyond that. Then he works out that The Multiverse exists, and decides that his mission's not done... | |
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Kamen Rider Gaim: Kouta's recurring answer to what he should do with his power is to protect everyone. Minato counters this by asking him what happens once everyone's safe. | |
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Steven is hit with this in Steven Universe: Future. After spending almost a lifetime helping others, he doesn't know what to do anymore now that there's no problems for him to solve... Except maybe his own. However, this uncertainty, combined with all the trauma he's experienced throughout the series, makes the situation get worse and worse from there. | |
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Battlestar Galactica (2003): In the episode "Bastille Day", Apollo combines this with Calling the Old Man Out when he accuses Zarek of selfishly wanting to be a Martyr Without a Cause rather than championing his ideals. He asks him if he really wants his legacy to be death and chaos. Zarek admits he does not and ends the mutiny. | |
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In I, Jedi, Corran Horn references this trope in his rejection of Exar Kun's attempted seduction to the dark side. Along with Mara Jade's "The Reason You Suck" Speech where she says that Kun would be considered "incompetent" by all the other Sith she's ever faced, Corran breaks down Kun's offer by saying that Kun clearly has no plan for what to do with Corran if he actually did turn to the Dark Side. And even if he turned, Kun doesn't really have any long-term goal beyond power for its own sake, which Corran scoffs at. | |
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Pokémon: The Series: Ash gets hit by this question during his final arc. After defying decades of viewer resignation by finally winning a League and then even the Masters Tournament, Ash really does become the strongest Pokémon trainer in the world! Then on returning home he realises he has no idea what next. He eventually decides that the mark of a true Pokémon Master isn't battle prowess anyway, but instead one's ability to befriend any Pokémon. Having ultimately failed to break through a Latios' mistrust of humans an episode prior, he believes he still has much to learn, and sets off once more on a journey wherever fate takes him. | |
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In Dragonball Z Abridged: In the adaption of History of Trunks, Android 17 grows bored of all the death and destruction he and his sister have been causing for over fifteen years and decides to settle down and become a park ranger. Then Gohan kicks him through a building, and 17 makes one minor adjustment to that plan: first, he's going to kill every last human, then he's going to go range the shit out of that park. Future Trunks accidentally makes Perfect Cell question his actions. Trunks has just surrendered himself to Cell, having lost the will to fight due to the massive power difference; however, he warns Cell that his fate is to be defeated and destroyed by Goku, with humanity completely unaware that Cell ever existed. Cell realizes that, even if he were to win against Goku and kill him, all the Z Fighters, and everyone else on Earth, he still wouldn't get the satisfaction of making the world aware of who he is (since he killed and absorbed anyone who encountered him before obtaining "perfection" except the current heroes). So, he decides that he won't kill Trunks nor the others now, but rather at the future Cell Games he's gonna create and have broadcasted to the world. Freeza actually muses on this question during his saga, thinking that after he gains immortality, he'll rule with an iron fist for several hundred years, then disappear for a few millennia until everyone thinks he was just a myth... then come back and kill everyone. He doesn't get too far in planning beyond that, however. |
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The Order of the Stick: In the last book, starting at strip 1208 "Grievances", Durkon (a priest of Thor) and Redcloak (High Priest of the Dark One) negotiate for the end of the Dark One's plan, which involves using the Snarl (a deific Omnicidal Maniac) to threaten destroying the other gods unless they get what they want. Durkon opens up the discussion by asking what Redcloak wants, what a successful outcome of the Plan would look like, and they discuss details. The goblins could get everything they want in a pretty realistic sense (and the party is capable enough to handle any potential misgivings in the initial setup) and all Redcloak has to do is end The Plan (thus also ending his partnership with Xykon, presumably getting rid of him and so on.) Redcloak ultimately declines via using Implosion on Durkon. So Minrah (another priest of Thor) takes over negotiating. She begins hammering Redcloak with the hard questions, pointing out that his actions show that he cares more about the lives of "imaginary goblins in the future" than he does about the goblins who currently exist. The scene emphasizes how, despite the Dark One's High Priest (and likely the Dark One himself) claim to care about goblin equality, they are too invested in threatening the gods as revenge for the injustices they've personally suffered to envision what a world with goblin equality would actually look like (not to mention, fail to consider the nature of a cosmos of cycling worlds means some worlds don't have any humanoids, including goblinoids.) |
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Sailor Moon: In the first season, when they have a moment to catch their breath, Nephrite ponders he doesn't know what to do now that he's defected from the Dark Kingdom. Naru innocently suggests they go for parfait since she always wanted to do that with a guy she liked. | |
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Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds: This is the question plaguing the members of Team 5D’s at the end of the series. Having successfully averted the Bad Future, Yusei realizes that he doesn’t know where to go from there. He became a scientist like his dad to ensure the future would be safe, but now that goal is finished. Yusei reasoned that he would simply remain in Neo Domino City to continue protecting it, but he has his doubts. The other members of Team 5D’s (minus Jack) all receive offers on where to go, but following up on them would require that they leave Neo Domino City, splitting up the team. At first, of all of them, Jack is the only one to have answered this question, his new goal being to become the World Turbo Dueling Champion and then to defeat Yusei. When the team comes together and they all learn they have the same dilemma on their minds, Yusei decides to duel Jack one more time to determine what they would do. In the end, the Signers choose to separate, going on their own individual paths in life. Crow returns to Pro Dueling just like Jack, Leo and Luna move back in with their parents, Akiza goes to study medicine abroad, and Yusei decides to stay in Neo Domino City, acknowledging that it’ll always be his home. | |
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A side story of Pokémon Reset Bloodlines centered on Gym Leader Falkner has him searching for Ho-Oh and Lugia with the intention of catching them. He's asked by Satsuki what he'll do once he has caught them, should he succeed. Falkner admits he hasn't given much thought to that yet. The main story had this as Belladonna Tyrian's reason for not wanting to take over the world. In her own words, she'd get a few revenges for hurt her girlfriend suffered, and then she's be stuck ruling a world she really could care less for. |
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Galactica 1980: In the final episode, Starbuck strikes up a conversation with a Centurion after they are both stranded on a deserted planet. At some point, "Cy" (the Centurion) mentions that the ultimate aim of the Cylon Empire is to "organize" the entire universe. When Starbuck asks what's next after that, Cy admits that no one had ever asked that question. | |
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Orobas, a sidequest boss in Shadow Hearts: Covenant, declares his plan to Take Over the World. Anastasia, who's seen this before, steps forward and asks what he plans to do with it once he's done. After an awkward pause... | |
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In the AlternateHistory.com timeline For a Gore Prosperous Tomorrow, during the trial of Osama bin Laden, Al Gore asks a number of pointed questions about what ideas bin Laden has in regards to important details about running a country, such as taxation, housing, welfare, etc. Bin Laden finds himself confused and unable to answer, which proves Gore's point that radical Muslims like those in al-Qaeda would be terrible at statecraft and completely out of place in the Islamic Golden Age they long to recreate. | |
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El Tigre has Manny's mother breaks El Oso with this question when she shows him using circular logic for stealing a diamond. He wants to steal the diamond so he can sell it. To get money to buy things like the diamond so he can sell it... | |
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One of the early story arcs of The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob! climaxes with Bob calmly telling the alien villain his threat to destroy the Earth is an obvious bluff, because what he really wants is to take over the Earth, and he can't do that if Earth isn't there. | |
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Calvin & Hobbes: The Series: Calvin and company have this discussion with the Lightning Man after he announces his plan to kill everyone in the world by giving them all heart attacks simultaneously via massive amounts of electricity. He alters the plan to only kill half of the population, but Calvin points out that would leave enough for a sizable rebellion to form, and he changes it again to three-fourths. | |
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Asked of Kazuya Mishima in Ashes of the Phoenix by Lei Wulong. While Kazuya has an answer, Lei successfully outmaneuvers him. | |
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: This is the final question asked to Buffy once everything's said and done at the end of Season 7. | |
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Digimon Tamers: A rare variant is done in the Japanese version, both with Renamon and Impmon (after both try to strike out on their own without Tamers). They think about how they'll continue to load Digimon and become stronger, and the question enters the audience's mind without it actually being said. | |
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This is the job of Evil Efficiency Consultant Edwin Windsor in How to Succeed in Evil. He has little success, since most of his clients are dim, insane, or a combination of the two. | |
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Discussed in Tangled: | |
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Code Prime: Megatron asks Suzaku something like this when he asks how the latter plans to reform Britannia. In this case, he's using the question to finally push Suzaku to join the Decepticons. Averting this is the second major goal of the Autobots and Black Knights. Part of their reasoning and plans for recruiting other superpowers to their cause is to start setting up their world's version of the United Nations to work out how exactly the planet is going to be run when the Decepticons are taken care of. Jean asks this of Shin in Siege of Castle Weisswolf, asking what they'll do once they help the Decepticons crush all resistance. She's horrified by his answer. During the mission to Antarctica, when Kallen starts to talk with Lelouch about his plans after winning the war, he realizes that he'd never really considered what he personally would do after the Decepticons are defeated and world peace is achieved, being too focused on creating a better world for Nunnally and his actions as Zero.note Canon never specifies what Lelouch would've done if he had completed his initial goals as Zero, but it's implied he would've just gone back to living with Nunnally.Though after their fight with Starscream, he does have a decent middle term plan: help Kallen rebuild Japan. |
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LazyTown: When Robbie finally manages to capture Sportacus in "Robbie's Dream Team," he is at a loss on what to do next and starts pacing around town trying to figure it out. Ultimately subverted when he's more than satisfied to shoot Sportacus out of a cannon. | |
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Final Fantasy XIII: After learning that fal'Cie chief Barthandelus's Evil Plan is to have the entire fal'Cie race commit mass-Suicide by Cop in order to summon their creator back from a higher dimension because they miss him, it's repeatedly pointed out to him that even if Lindzei returns to the physical realm (and the prospect of him even coming back anyway was very much in doubt), the fal'Cie are going to be dead, so what's the point of the plot? Barthandelus literally does not care about that. | |
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Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: After the story goes Off the Rails, with Matthew Patel apparently succeeding in defeating Scott, he's shocked to discover that killing her current boyfriend doesn't oblige Ramona to start dating him again. Patel calls a meeting with the other Evil Exes, who are equally stunned to find that any of them beating Ramona's boyfriend would've netted them absolutely nothing, except for Gideon, who is under the impression that Ramona simply turned Patel down because he's the lowest ranked ex, and only he, as the highest ranked ex, would've gotten her. The League starts breaking down once everyone else realizes they were just Gideon's disposable pawns, and they decide the whole idea of the League of Evil Exes was stupid in hindsight, completely abandoning their mission to kill Scott in the process. | |
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During the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Piccolo does this to himself. Since losing the World Martial Arts Tournament at the end of Dragon Ball and having his plans for world domination foiled by Goku, Piccolo's goal has been killing Goku in the name of revenge. But after managing to kill both Goku and Raditz, Piccolo reflects that he got no satisfaction from Goku's death given the circumstances, and realizes that he has no idea what to do with his life now that Goku's gone. Training Gohan for the next year brings about Piccolo's Heel–Face Turn and a renewed sense of purpose. | |
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A Crown of Stars: After the events of the former story Asuka was frightened to love anybody but she was also frightened to be alone and she did not want to be apart of Shinji. She and Shinji got an arrangement in lieu of a real relationship and she claimed that was all she needed, but in reality, she expected and feared that it would not last long. Daniel asked her: "And then what? Will you attempt to kill yourself again?" | |
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Breaking Bad: Once Walt kills all of his enemies and begins to build his meth empire, Skyler shows him the money pile the empire built up, while sincerely asking Walt what he intends to do with it even if he can't safely launder it anymore. Walt takes it to heart and quits the meth trade, eventually intending to slowly live off the money for the rest of his life. Unfortunately for him, karma bites him in the ass in the form of Gale's book. | |
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Wander over Yonder: Lord Dominator's plan is to break every planet in the galaxy, for fun. Once she seemingly does that, she gets very bored, not wanting to start all over again in another galaxy. The series ends with her rejecting Wander's friendship once more though according to Word of God, had the show continued, she would've been redeemed. | |
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Fallen London: January, of the Calendar Council, gets this question thrown her way by Cornelius, a man who would take the Powers That Be at their word and (ab)use their rules in the people's favor rather than go with her highly radical and destructive approach of initiating the Liberation of Night, kill the stars and end all laws and rules in the universe, including those of nature and physics; he accuses her of having no plan at all other than kickstarting that, and nothing before or after. She tries to counter that the rules of the universe are too restrictive for her to even start conceiving the ideas that could be carried out in such an unrestricted cosmos. | |
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There was something like this in the climax of The Muppet Movie. When Kermit asked Hopper just why he was so crazy as to chase him all the way across the country and put so much effort and money simply to recruit him for an advertising campaign (which Kermit would not do because it was for a frogs legs restaurant, something you really couldn't blame him for), Hopper said it was his dream all his life to own a successful nationwide chain of restaurants. For the first time, Kermit could relate slightly, seeing that he and his friends had a dream too, but he asked Hopper just what he would do if he ever did accomplish his goal? Who would he share his fame and wealth with? Hopper honestly had no answer, and for a minute it looked like he was about to listen to reason. Unfortunately, he did not, and ordered his men to open fire on Kermit; fortunately, Kermit was saved by Animal, who had taken Dr. Honeydew's "insta-grow" pills, turning him into a giant, who scared the villains away. | |
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Kate asks Larry this in Other People's Money. He answers: Of course, by the end of the film, Larry has changed his tune and is no longer happy just making more money (if he ever was), because he's in love with Kate. |
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In Not Quite Heroes, Shego asks Dr. Drakken what he'll do if he ever does Take Over the World. He has to think about it, and finally says that he'll mostly let the world run the same way it did before. | |
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Danganronpa 2/3 Redux: Return Unto Death: In the final trial, the survivors repeatedly ask this to the traitor. The traitor's whole goal is to help revive the Danganronpa series; they have no real plans beyond that other than following orders. Namely because they have no agency, having been reprogrammed to follow the mastermind's orders. Once the trial concludes, K1-B0 has no idea what to do with himself, seeing no point in continuing to resist and unable to picture a life beyond Danganronpa. | |
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I Love Lucy: In the episode "The Adagio", Lucy hires an Apache dance instructor from Paris named Jean Valjean Ramon. The moment he arrives, he starts to come on to her very strongly and professes his love for her, much to her dismay. In the end, Ricky catches him climbing into the bedroom window to elope with the unwilling Lucy. Jean Valjean and Ricky are to have a duel, but the former backs out and explains to Ricky that he only acted the way he did because he was told that Frenchmen are expected to be romantic by American women. He is really married with five children. So if Lucy had responded positively to his advances and really did want to elope with him, what would he have done? | |
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In Katawa Shoujo, late in Rin's route, Hisao gets the chance to ask Rin this when she expresses her desire to have someone who can understand her without asking questions. If you make this choice, you get the good ending, in which Rin comes to terms with herself. | |
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In the second story of the Facing the Future Series, Danny's enemies finally capture him after ambushing him when he was too full to fight, however, when Danny asks what they're going to do to him, they actually have to think about that. | |
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Uncle Iroh asks this of recurring antagonist Zuko when he discovers Appa in the Earth King's dungeons and intends to kidnap him. While up to this point he had more or less passively allowed Zuko to pursue the Avatar in his quest to "restore his honor", by that point they were wanted criminals of the Fire Nation, and Iroh rightly points out that his actions chasing the Avatar were downright Quixotic. In what suspiciously sounds like a reference to Babylon 5, he ends by asking the questions, "Who are you, and what do you want?" Zuko is forced to recognize the facts and decides to simply release Appa. The resulting conflict of character resulted in an Angst Coma and gave him nightmares. | |
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Octopath Traveler often features a speech like this for each character's Final Boss. When Cyrus confronts his Big Bad, the traitorous scholar Lucia, Cyrus realizes that they plan on just hoarding all of the knowledge in the world, using Black Magic to make themselves eternally young. Cyrus then asks the Big Bad what they intend to do with all of that knowledge since they'll have nowhere to actually use it. Cyrus uses this in a Kirk Summation that lectures the Big Bad on the importance of passing on knowledge to the next generation, then accuses the Big Bad of wanting to "be the smartest person in the room" and little else. Therion's Big Bad, his former thieving partner Darius, wants to use the Dragonstones that they stole from House Ravus for the sake of power. But since the Big Bad has Chronic Backstabbing Disorder, Therion counters that even if they succeed, they'll have no one they can trust, and then what are they going to do? The best part is, Therion is almost immediately proven correct after the fight. Darius was such a caustic boss that the only person who showed loyalty to him actually ended up dead. No one wants to follow him, and even after he survives his fight with Therion, he's too weak to do anything and is forced to watch as what little remains of his treasure hoard is stolen right in front of him. Primrose's path sees the villain give her such a question instead of the other way around. Primrose's former Love Interest Simeon points out that, should Primrose manage to actually kill the Crows like she wants to, she'll have nothing left to live for. So what will she do if she gets her revenge? This is enough to make Primrose momentarily falter, requiring a Battle in the Center of the Mind to snap out of it. |
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Dragonriders of Pern: Used by F'lar on Lessa in Weyr Search (the opening segment of Dragonflight) after Fax dies and his newborn son inherits leadership of Ruatha Hold. She admits she'd never thought beyond Fax's death, having assumed she would take over Ruatha, but with infant Jaxom in the way, she can't. F'lar thus persuades her to come back to Benden Weyr and Impress their last Queen egg, becoming Weyrwoman. | |
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The thing that finally convinces Evil-Lyn to cut ties with Skeletor in the second season of Masters of the Universe: Revelation is learning that the only thing he can think of to do with the Power of Greyskull is to fight He-Man, and that he hadn't even considered what he'd do next if he actually won. | |
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This briefly comes up in Lilo & Stitch. Stitch, after trashing Lilo's room, looks around impatiently, and Jumba observes; | |
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Nobledark Imperium: Lucius the Eternal spent the majority of his mortal life pursuing immortality, eventually becoming a C'tan vampire to do this. Once he achieved this goal and completed the quest that had taken up centuries of life, he had to sit down and figure out what in the world he was going to do with eternity. He eventually settled on perfecting his martial skill and fighting the greatest warriors of the ages to come. | |
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The Hobbit: When Bilbo brings up the subject of just how he's supposed to get his share home, the dwarves themselves admit they didn't think about what they'd do after they got back their treasure. Thorin finally says that once Smaug has actually been dealt with, they'll have plenty of time to think about the issue. | |
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In Death Becomes Her we see a hero and villain perspective: The hero plays it straight. The male protagonist's response to his female companions urging him to drink the elixir that grants eternal life is a puzzled "...And then what?" From the puzzled reactions from those around him, he appears to be the only person who's actually considered this rather than just greedily giving in. He then goes on to list the numerous reasons why living forever would suck — if he was injured to the point most people would die, then he'd just have to suffer. Also, he'd have to watch everyone around him die of old age, even if he doesn't. Finally, living forever would mean being trapped with the rather horrible women in his life for all eternity as well. He ends it by looking at the immortality elixir and saying "this isn't a dream, this is a nightmare!" and concluding that the villains have to be stopped. The villains invert this. They achieved immortality a long time ago, and are all so shallow and self-absorbed that most of the hero's reasons of why immortality would suck (e.g. seeing everyone they love die around them) don't apply to the villains. Their puzzled reaction stems from the fact that they are a bunch of assholes and don't get why anyone wouldn't want to live forever. |
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In Solidjj's short "You Choose Spider-Man", Spider-Man agrees to work with the Green Goblin — until he questions the Goblin about what he's actually going to do, whereupon they both realise there's nothing more he really wants to do, and Spider-Man concludes he's just making excuses to go around killing people. | |
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The Punisher (2017): A running theme is asking what the heck Frank is gonna do with his life after he kills all the bad guys. After getting his vengeance in the first episode, he struggles to live and cope with his grief. When he goes back to killing, Karen asks him where he intends to stop. By the end of the first season, as Frank takes up a new identity and starts attending a support group, he's still scared of trying to figure out what to do next. Subverted by the start of the second season, where he's hung up his guns and is traveling the country, apparently succeeding in his efforts to move on... at least before he's drawn into the season's plot. | |
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