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Sometimes, you gotta go ol' school. A technologically advanced empire has come to conquer a poor, defenseless, primitive planet where the most advanced piece of technology is a horse. Unfortunately for the empire, Our Heroes happen to be living on the planet and helping the natives at this time, and they are anything but Medieval Morons. As it turns out, centuries of starship-to-starship combat with particle beams and shields have rendered The Empire ignorant of the simpler ways of getting killed. Wooden crossbow bolts don't show up on radar, and go straight through magnetic barriers. Humongous Mecha fall into hidden pits and get stuck. Swinging tree trunks smash straight through Powered Armor and send the enemy soldiers flying through the air into a conveniently placed abyss. A little pluck, some old-fashioned ingenuity, and a really big rock will beat a laser every time. Don't think too hard on this one. Suffice it to say these rocks tend to de-emphasize the eliteness of the supposed crack troops in a Redshirt Army. In short, The Empire's Achilles' Heel is anything Traveling at the Speed of Plot. Historically, industrialized nations regularly steamrolled over the armies of pre-industrial nations or tribes. Occasionally, pre-industrial forces won battles, but rarely wars, and even then this would typically be more because the more advanced armies were badly outnumbered or poorly led, or their troops made up of press-ganged conscripts with low morale or of otherwise low quality. In the rare cases where the technological underdogs managed to preserve their independence, they generally received a crash course in development and won with at least somewhat modern weapons of their own (often provided by an interested third party), rather than Bamboo Technology.note Interestingly, "bamboo spear tactics" is an actual Japanese term for fighting against a technologically-superior adversary. In certain Speculative Fiction circles, especially those revolving around The Singularity, this is called the Plucky Baseline. Compare Archaic Weapon for an Advanced Age, Cool, but Inefficient, Good Old Fisticuffs, Kinetic Weapons Are Just Better, Guns Are Worthless, Break Out the Museum Piece, Muggles Do It Better, Older Is Better and Scissors Cuts Rock. One of the things to watch for in How to Invade an Alien Planet. Contrast Low Culture, High Tech, where a low tech culture uses superior high tech devices. See also Superweapon Surprise when natives have something up their sleeves that could reasonably be expected to beat the invaders, or Insufficiently Advanced Alien when the invaders themselves really don't have anything that could reasonably be expected to beat the natives. See Schizo Tech for low tech and high tech used together. Can be justified if the primitives have a huge numerical superiority. Incidentally, it is worth noting that, in Real Life, rock is one of the better materials to have between yourself and a laser, given its typically high melting point and lack of flammability. And a rock can make a good weapon, especially if you manage to drop it from high enough. |
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"Wizard Bait": While Zarazath is undead and therefor can't die, Lewis and Martin get around this by crushing him under a large rock. Every time he gets back up, they flatten him again, eventually stealing the Magic Staff he uses to control his undead army before leaving him under the rock. | |
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Predator 2 shows us a Predator trophy room which contains, among other things (like the skull of an alien from the Alien franchise) a flintlock pistol... implying that not only did a human attempt to challenge a Predator with this weapon, this individual put up enough of a fight to be considered a worthy opponent! | |
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Terminator always in every iteration has the heroes fighting a technologically superior opponent and prevailing: In the first film, Badass Normal future soldier Kyle Reese fights a T-800 cyborg infiltrator with 20th Century ballistic firearms throughout the movie and eventually shears it in half with a homemade pipe bomb — though the machine survives and Reese himself is killed in the blast; Sarah Connor finally finishes it off by luring it into an industrial press and crushing it into scrap. In the second film, a captured and reprogrammed T-800 is sent back to protect a teenage John Connor from a T-1000, an advanced prototype cyborg made of liquid metal; the T-1000 is Immune to Bullets, can assume almost any form, and can reform itself after being shattered into a million bits after it is washed in liquid nitrogen — it is destroyed when it falls into a vat of boiling metal and the "consciousness" holding it together glitches out. Justified in the novels and comics: the T-1000 was designed by Skynet in tunnel vision as a peerless infiltrator first and a combat unit a distant second, and it proved a Flawed Prototype as it can only form blades and other simple weapons with its limbs which are useless against a T-800, and while it can heal from any damage, this takes time and stuns it for a brief moment; combined with concerns about its high intelligence and inherent sadismnote Yes, you did read that right: Skynet is afraid of the T-1000 and the T-1000 was branded a failure and left by the wayside. |
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Occurs often in one episode of Megas XLR, where a fountain drink is teleported into the control room of a doomsday weapon, frying the controls, and destroying the weapon. | |
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Dune: The Fremen. Desert-dwelling nomads with handmade gear, beat The Empire's most badass, ruthless, and well-armed soldiers, the Sardaukar, with knives, sandworms, and, er, one teensy little atomic bomb (but this was used only to remove a geographic obstacle to worm-travel, not on the enemy). This deserves some clarification, because while it is an example, it's not as bad as it looks outside of context. Melee combat with bladed weapons in the Dune universe is actually the norm, because of shielding technology that renders projectile weaponry nearly useless. Although the Fremen lack such shielding technology, so it still counts. 1984's David Lynch movie adaptation kind of ruins this by actually giving the Fremen more advanced weapons than the Saudarkar, in the form of voice-amplifying sonic guns. The writers of the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries go a long way towards setting things right, exercising far less creative license than Lynch and, subsequently, remaining much closer to Frank Herbert's original novel. The Baron Vladimir Harkonnen uses ancient projectile artillery when he reconquers Arrakis, because even though the explosives can't penetrate shields, when the Atreides troops hide in caves, the artillery collapses the roof and seals them in. He does think artillery is barbaric and has the weapons dismantled immediately after, despite his rabid nephew Rabban's wishes to keep them - in part because they need the metal. |
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Completely averted in Gate, which focuses on a modern army finding themselves in conflict with a medieval one. The latter gets gunned down en masse - there's a reason swords and shields were left behind in favor of rifles and explosives. | |
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Sten, by Allan Cole and Chris Bunch: Seems that the designers overengineered their powered suits to such an extent that each one could withstand nuclear blasts, any conceivable biological or chemical agent, and could fight off any conceivable opponent — except primitive ones. When first deployed, the men in suits run rampant — until the primitives notice that they aren't very maneuverable. So, the natives start making pit traps with nets, and once the suit is ensnared in the net the natives come out and poke long spears into the suit's waste vents, skewering the troopers inside and simultaneously poisoning them with their own wastes... To their credit, Chris Bunch in Real Life is an ex-Army Ranger, where Allan Cole has diplomatic experience. There's an incident with a less extreme tech difference later in the series. Sten takes charge of an old but heavily-armed strongpoint. When enemy tacships try strafing and bombing his position, he activates the air-defence system, not expecting much from the archaic guns. They rip the tacships out of the sky, because the guns are targeting and the proximity fuses detonating with radar frequencies so out-of-date that no one remembered to jam them anymore. |
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In Worm, Skitter escapes a cage made of nano robots that cut through anything using a lighter. | |
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In the climax of The Rise of Skywalker, the Final Order is about to employ electronic countermeasures against Resistance forces landing on a Star Destroyer hull that the Order gloats will screw over any speeders. Then the Resistance fighters ride out of their dropship on horseback. | |
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Inverted in Star Ruler: With a large enough gap in tech level, the more advanced faction will absolutely Curb Stomp the less advanced one. Furthermore, because production rate is also improved by research, the lesser faction can't count on numbers either. | |
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In Rainbow Six Siege, Thatcher invokes this, as his specialty is in evening the playing field by disabling other Operators' various types of high-tech weapons and cutting edge gadgets with EMP grenades, and then rolling in with conventional firepower and knife work to take them down while their high-tech gear is cut off. | |
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Armored Core V and its sequel Verdict Day play with this trope. At certain points in the games, jury-rigged one-shot weapons known as Ultimate Weapons become available and can be loaded onto the player's AC. The weapon that embodies this trope, known as the Mass Blade, is a concrete pillar, outfitted with rocket boosters and used as a giant bludgeon. Said weapon can demolish a supertech, laser-armed Humongous Mecha in a single strike. | |
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Hawkeye: In Hawkeye (2012), The Tape arc revolved around Clint trying to recapture a videotape of him murdering someone. Captain America notes that criminal organisations are using more and more analogue technology since digital information is much more easily traceable. | |
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The Battle Walkers of Battlefield 2142 are supposed to be the pinnacle of Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Should an infantryman wander between its legs, however, he can whittle down the hulking machine with little more than a pistol pointed at its Achilles' Heel (though you'd still need a hundred rounds or so to do so). The Walker pilot can further uphold the trope, though, by simply crouching down, beating the infantryman's pistol with a very heavy chunk of metal. Similarly, the "Active Defense" shielding employed by most of the vehicle lines do not fully repel gunfire. Air vehicles (especially the heavily armed Gunship) are especially prone to AA fire. Ditto on both of these for the Battlezone RTS/FPS genre crossover remake and its sequel, except for the crouching part. However, being filled to the brim with hover tech, ANYTHING can fly given the proper incline to start up its ascent. Unfortunately they can't aim very far downwards, making this more of a sped-up transportation method (skipping slopes and pits in the terrain) than battle tactic. |
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Ultimate Avengers: Zigzagged in the second movie. Wakanda's weapons technology is surprisingly effective, but this is solely because they are forged of Vibranium and their few gun-based weapons are powered/controlled from a downed Chitauri ship. When the ship is destroyed, and they have to rely on their medieval-grade tech, they really don't do so well, for all that their weapons are capable of piercing Chitauri armor. | |
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On the Crossover fiction Just Won't Die by Jeffrey Keith Wong, multidimensional shenanigans have caused Ranma Saotome and Nene Romanova to arrive on Newport City, and needing information, Nene starts to hack around. Lacking the cerebral-cortex computer implants that are so ubiquitous to the Ghost In The Shell universe, Nene has to make do with "turtling" (using a computer with a manual keyboard), which is very slow comparatively... but unfortunately for Major Motoko Kusanagi, all of her info-warfare expertise is specialized in tossing firewalls and viruses that, if the hacker she was attacking was using said implants, would give him a fatal electrical jolt or would destroy his mind... but all Nene needs to do to get rid of the glitches that the attacks trigger on her computer is to just reboot it. As a result, Nene ends up nearly-relentlessly Mind Raping the Major. | |
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Spoofed in Antihero for Hire: Canada managed to conquer the northern half of the United States using dinosaurs. Yes, dinosaurs. The American hi-tech missile shields, prepared to stop WMDs, were never programmed with anti-dinosaur measures. It was called "The Unexpected War". | |
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In Rise of the Planet of the Apes, the rogue apes use wrought iron fenceposts as spears and a manhole cover as a frisbee to take out police cars. Later on, when the police call in a helicopter, Caesar takes out the door gunner by throwing a big iron chain as a bolas at him. | |
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In DEATH BATTLE!: Solid Snake vs. Sam Fisher, this comes up. Sam's usual loadout includes a modular SC-20K assault rifle, a Five-Seven pistol, and a slew of other hi-tech gadgets including EMP grenades and his iconic Night-Vision Goggles. Snake prefers to travel light on missions and only has an M1911 Operator, a stun-knife and a few other innocuous items. Snake is no match for Sam in a direct firefight, but Snake is able to gradually pull the technological rug out from under Sam using his famously unorthodox tactics. And when it all comes down to a Knife Fight at the end, Snake kills Sam quite easily. | |
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Mass Foundations: Redemption in the Stars sees Courier Ethan Sunderland kill a heavily shielded Blue Suns Centurion by stabbing him in the throat with his Bowie knife (which is a regular bladed knife, albeit quite fancy). Justified in-universe as kinetic shielding is only meant to work against high-speed objects, either being very ineffective or completely useless against melee attacks. | |
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In Destroyermen, the USS Donnaghey is a square rig frigate with broadside weaponry straight out of the Age of Sail. The only main modern additions (by World War II standards) are rudimentary fire control (to target and fire all cannons) and a Y gun to shoot depth charges to scare off mountain fish. After a pitched battle with a similar Dominion vessel, the Donnaghey captures the enemy. Then the ships encounter a modern League destroyer. In order to give themselves a fighting chance, the crew of the Donnaghey run up a Dom flag in order to pretend that the battle went in the Doms' favor. Being currently allied with the Dominion, the destroyer's captain has the ship approach the "allies". When the destroyer is very close, the Dom flags are suddenly replaced by American ones, and the Donnaghey's captain demands their surrender. The destroyer's XO orders all weapons to fire, and a few manages to hit the Donnaghey but don't penetrate the tough wooden hull. The return broadsides from both sailing ships cripple the modern vessel and kill most of the officers. | |
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Played with in the background setting of Sonic X: Dark Chaos. The Demons initially thought that the Angel rebellion would be easy to defeat - the Demon Empire had technology that could destroy galaxies at the push of a button and control time versus simple projectile weapons and nuclear missiles. Turned out that the Jews, Muslims, and Angels had much more than that, and used their more... advanced technology to fight the Demons into a bloody, eternal stalemate. It helps that the Jews of the Tribal Republic are the masters of stealth and guerrilla warfare, and the Muslims are suicidally courageous and fanatical in battle. And then the Shroud appeared, playing this trope straight. The Shroud have no technology at all, being a parasitic Horde of Alien Locusts, and yet there are so many of them and they are so strong that they can easily fight both Demons and Angels at the same time. |
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Referenced, if not quite employed, in the Angel episode "A Hole in the World". At the beginning of the show, Angel and Spike argue—for half an hour!—about who would win in a fight: an astronaut or a caveman (i.e., technological savvy or primitive savagery). Later, when Fred lies dying from the essence of an ancient demon, she whispers, "The caveman wins. The caveman always wins." | |
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Top Gun: Maverick: Invoked with the choice to use the older F/A-18E/F Super Hornet over the Navy's more advanced F-35C Lightning for the mission as the uranium enrichment facility they are targeting is protected by GPS jamming that affects the latter's precision weapons but not the former's. Later, Maverick manages to shoot down two top-of-the-line Su-57 stealth fighters in a forty-plus-year-old F-14A that he and Rooster stole from a maintenance hangar, using trickery and a lot of luck. | |
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Parodied in Kingdom Paf, where it's briefly mentioned how the Halloweenians managed to defeat a tank using pitchfrocks. The tank's driver was so busy laughing his ass off when he saw them attack him, he didn't notice he was going right in a pit they had just made. | |
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Honor Harrington: When dealing with Andre Warnecke in Honor Among Enemies, Honor and her armsmen need to board a shuttle with the madman in question and several of his goons without any weapons, which is confirmed with a scanner that detects power sources. However, the M1911 pistol, newly built but to the exact specifications of modern day Real Life Earth, that she sneaks aboard doesn't use a power source (unlike pulsers in the current setting), so it goes undetected in its hiding place until she brings it out and blasts Warnecke's henchmen. Unable to overcome Manticoran technical advantages in LAC combat, in War of Honor the Republicans develop the "triple ripple" tactic, which uses loads of the dirtiest thermonuclear warhead missiles (considered to be just about obsolete in modern space combat) they have to overload Mantie sensors with humongous EMP bursts, blinding them so that Republican LACs can get in licks while their opponents aren't able to target anything. Averted, however, in the first book, On Basilisk Station. The Bronze Age-era medusans manage to kill a few Manticorans with surprise and numbers. The reinforcements, now apprised of the threat, bring out the heavy weapons and air support. The aliens die. And die. And die some more without causing a subsequent casualty. |
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Justified in JLA: Year One with The Flash. Snapper Carr complains that the League having a library in their base is pointless, since they also have a computer and can use it to do research much faster. But no Internet connection in the world can move faster than Flash, who has a book open to the appropriate page before Snapper even finishes typing. And could probably even run to any library in the world and back in the time it takes Google to load. This was based on Real Life accounts of the series' writer answering comic trivia faster than the Internet. | |
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The War of the Worlds (1898): Alien beats Human Army, Water, or at least the bacteria in water beats Alien. Heat-ray beats cannon, Thunderchild beats tripod. Almost. In the book, the Army does pretty well for using pre-WW1 weapons against Tripods with heat-rays and black smoke. |
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The Simpsons: Parodied in "Treehouse of Horror II", where the primary weapon for the human uprising against their alien overlords is Moe wielding a board with a nail in it. This makes sense considering the aliens invaded when the entire earth was unarmed after Lisa wished for world peace, and had things like slingshots. After being driven off, the aliens muse that one day the humans will "create bigger boards and bigger nails" until one day "they will create a board with a nail so big it will destroy them all!" Parodied again in "The Lastest Gun in the West" when Buck McCoy stops a robbery by Snake and his gang, armed with assault rifles and riot armor, using only his lasso. Since the robbers' bullets just go straight through the lasso's loop when they try and shoot at it, the robbers exclaim that it's the ultimate weapon. |
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In one episode of MythBusters, the team is trying to find ways to fool advanced security systems. Though most of them don't work, they do find out that it is possible to fool a state-of-the-art infrared motion detector by holding a large white sheet in front of yourself. | |
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This can be the case in Total War: Shogun 2. In Fall of the Samurai, traditional units will walk all over modern units in the early portion of the game. This tends to get Subverted once better modern units like riflemen and Armstrong guns come into play, but that does not entirely relegate traditional units to history's dustbin: Yari Kachi fulfil an anti-cavalry and defender role very effectively even in late-game by protecting your vulnerable flanks and artillery pieces, and they can fare decently against missile troops in melee if they manage to close in. If the enemy tries a bayonet charge, a sprinkling of Katana Kachi and Shogitai behind your backlines will make them regret it. And Kisho Ninja may look wildly out of place amongst modern units, but they can give the enemy line a nasty grenade surprise provided they use their stealth carefully; they will also fillet most line infantry in melee and even hold their own against Western loan troops, and their climbing skill means they are adept at assaulting fortifications too. | |
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In Pulp Adventures, Tarzan and his bow aren't less useful against gun-toting Nazis than other heroes with more modern weaponry. | |
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From a Blue Beetle comic, in a showdown with a highly advanced alien race: | |
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Regarding the other film, The Phantom Menace, that dealt with a technologically superior army dealing with an inferior group, it's notably averted: although the Gungans did manage to do in some numbers of the Droid Army in the climactic battlenote It helps that the Gungans aren't truly primitive; they just use very different technology based on a unique form of plasma extracted from Naboo's core. While they have beasts of burden rather than vehicles and catapults rather than laser cannons, they also have laser-reflecting plasma shields and those catapults are used to throw plasma orbs that go through tank armor like a hot knife through butter., they overall lost badly. In fact, literally the only reason they managed to live to tell the day was through sheer dumb luck from Anakin managing to blow up the Droid Control Ship, causing the droid units to shut down. | |
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The first arc of X-Wing Rogue Squadron has a TIE fighter, a small spacecraft not known for sturdiness, dramatically destroyed when a Wookie hits its wing with a stick. The same Wookie in a flashback destroyed a larger shuttle by hucking a rock at it. They're sturdier in the rest of the series. | |
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The Global Liberation Army in Command & Conquer: Generals plays with this concept. On the one hand, they are mostly armed with Cold War-era weapons and little to no aircraft, but manage to match the much more technologically advanced US and Chinese forces. On the other hand, their individual units are far weaker and less effective compared with their enemy counterparts. The GLA instead wins by combining stealth, economic power, sheer numbers, and dirty tactics to overcome their technological disparity. | |
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Quite literally in Yor: The Hunter from the Future, the main character, a caveman is confronting a robot with a laser arm, and Yor bashes its head off with a rock. | |
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The Outer Limits episode "Rule Of Law" has a scene where the judge protagonist, armed with a handgun, confronts a lynch mob armed with laser guns. The crooks mock his inferior weapon, but are defeated with ease, owing largely to the judge's superior marksmanship and training. | |
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In Rave Master, Sieghart showcases his elemental magic to completely overwhelm Haru's swordplay with Ten Commandments, claiming that a swordsman can't defeat a sorcerer. Haru manages to inflict his first wound on him using Eisen Meteor, the basic form of the Ten Commandments which is a mere steel sword and thus is unaffected by Sieg's magic. Much later in the story Sieg remembers this lesson and uses a mere, unenchanted wooden staff to defeat the more formidable but squishier wizard Haja. | |
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Tarzan: Tarzan brings down a helicopter with a single well-aimed rock. | |
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In Paranoia, lowly Red-clearance Troubleshooters (just one rank above the dumb masses who work in the food vats) are typically outfitted with lasers and reflec armor (shiny stuff that kinda sorta reflects lasers), while slugthrowers and kevlar are restricted to somewhat higher clearances. | |
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In Wonder Woman: Amazons Attack!, the Amazons repeatedly take down tanks and jet fighters using bows and arrows.note Though considering DC's Amazons, it's a fair idea to think magic was involved. | |
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See any show having a special episode about guns, where the guns are also used, then the gun user must be defeated with non-lethal methods to show who's "good" and who's "bad". Captain Planet and the Planeteers got a character out of this trope! (Lootan Plunder, prior to any summoning of CP, to the point his frustration rants sometimes make him sound like a Scooby-Doo villain.) | |
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Shows up of all places Modern Warfare. Where with the right built the best weapons is a knife and shield combo. Also until being patched the model 1887 had the best range of any shotgun in the game, almost comparable to real life. | |
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In Avengers Assemble, Hawkeye literally defeats two Doombots with rocks by flipping two pebbles into their knee joints, completely paralyzing them. Why a super genius like Doctor Doom would overlook such an obvious design flaw is anyone's guess. | |
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A weird example occurs in Half-Life: Full Life Consequences, specifically in Hero Beggining, where the humens fight against the Combines' "lazer guns" with their own lazer guns... and rocks (although, with the fic's deliberately bad spelling and grammar, this may have been intended to mean rockets instead. There's no real way to tell). | |
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Discussed in Starship Troopers, in the chapter that discusses powered suits. The suits are designed to be as invisible to their users as possible, for admirably common-sense reasons: "If you load a mudfoot down with a lot of gadgets that he has to watch, somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone ax - will sneak up on him and bash his head in while he's trying to read a vernier." The Mobile Infantry also train with more primitive weapons, from unarmed hand-to-hand combat on up to 20th-century weaponry, partly to prepare them for using the powered battlesuits and also to prepare them for situations in which the battlesuits would be impractical. | |
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Jurassic World: The I. rex is an animal that manages to outwit some of the most advanced tracking and takedown methods available to the staff at the park using its natural abilities. It helps that it was engineered for precisely this purpose. The Pterosaurs take down a helicopter with a mounted machine gun by flying into it, killing the gunner and co-pilot and sending the copter out of control. The velociraptors (temporarily under I. rex's control) easily shred the well-trained, heavily armed InGen team using nothing but tooth, claw, and pack hunting tactics. |
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In Freefall, Ecosystems Unlimited attempts to control the information leaving the company by dosing recycled parts with EMP before releasing them to destroy any clandestine listening/recording devices that someone may try to sneak out that way, which has absolutely no effect on hand-written notes. | |
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The Dudley Do-Right movie: "That's unfair, they've got rocks! And all we have is machine-guns!" To be fair, said rocks are giant boulders coming down on them when besides some riot gear and said guns, they have no other defenses. | |
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An even more literal example is in Fallout Equestria: Pink Eyes, where the lead character Puppysmiles's only weapon is a rock. So far, her rock has claimed the life of anyone caught on the wrong end, even killer robots and manticores. | |
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On that same note, a nearly kilometer-long frigate in Halo: Reach also gets destroyed by a salvo of conventional cruise missiles. The UNSC's main anti-air guns are essentially just Vulcan cannons (in-universe characters even refer to them as such as a nickname), down to firing the 20x102mm HEI round. They tear through Covenant gunships/transports (Phantoms) and light fighters (Banshees) easily. They're even used as point-defense weapons on the Infinity. The Onager at the end of Reach is basically just a scaled up version of the 32 megajoule railgun that the United States Navy is testing, at 33 meters long with a yield of 1,100 megajoules.note Though, use of DT fusion technology has made it usable with a relatively small generator, whereas a scaled up version of the naval railgun would require a massive one. Yet, if fired at a Covenant battlecruiser's main gun, it will not only completely pierce the armor protecting it, but cause a backfire that destroys the entire ship, as Noble Six proves at the end of the game. Keep in mind that a battlecruiser is over a mile long (which makes the "weak spot" so massive that it's actually larger and easier to hit than a modern supercarrier...). |
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Battleship: The USS Missouri, a retired battleship, is able to take out a highly advanced alien vessel. | |
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The Fairly Oddparents: In the episode "Wanda's Day Off", Cosmo makes a cockroach intelligent for Timmy's homework and it proceeds to build an advanced society in just a few hours, and there seems to be nothing that can kill them. Things escalate until Cosmo brings a fleet of Martians in flying saucers armed with laser beams, one of which gets destroyed by a catapult throwing boulders at it. | |
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Tower of God: Rak and his spear easily took out Levin and his Sniper Rifle. Literally, the thing fell to pieces. | |
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Shows up occasionally in World of Warcraft, particularly against gnomes and goblins. A giant mecha equipped with missile launchers and laser guns can be taken out with crossbows, maces, and animal claws. | |
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Wayfarers: In the book series, the Aeluons are a largely friendly race, but they have a serious taboo against having relationships with other species (they're okay if other species do it, but Aeluons can only be with other Aeluons). Thus it makes it difficult for the Aeluon Pei to communicate with her human boyfriend Ashby without their messages being tracked. How does she send him messages, then? She starts writing him letters on paper (which is so archaic that everyone reacts as though he was handling a dinosaur bone), which can't be tracked and gives her the freedom to say what she wants. | |
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In an episode of The Muppet Show where Mark Hamill guest-stars as Luke Skywalker, he is about to vaporize Dearth Nadir only to find that Nadir disabled his blaster with a technobabble plot device. Thankfully, since "Dearth Nadir" is really just Gonzo the Great in a silly mask, Chewbacca proves more than capable of giving him a beatdown. Unfortunately, even Chewbacca is useless against the awesome might of Angus McGonoggle, the Argyle Gargoyle gargling Gershwin. | |
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Lumberwhack: Defend the Wild: On the player's side, we have a bunch of forest/jungle animals armed with Natural Weapons and Improvised Weapons. On the enemy side, we have an army of lumberjacks with technology such as chainsaws, explosives, and cutting vehicles. The forest animals are more than capable of defeating the lumberjacks. | |
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The Ewoks in Return of the Jedi overpower an "entire legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" with only spears and rocks. On the other hand, they were clearly losing against the AT-STs until Chewie and two Ewoks commandeered one. According to George Lucas, this was inspired by the less technologically developed Viet Cong defeating American troops in the Vietnam War (see the Real Life section for more). | |
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In X-Statix/Avengers, Mr. Sensitive fights Iron Man armed only with an anvil, of all things. Well, on the cover, at least. Mr. Sensitive did win the fight depicted in the issue itself, though.note By convincing Stark to take off his armor and fight him naked. This makes more sense when you realize Sensitive's mutant condition is Exactly What It Says on the Tin and even throwing blades of grass at him hurts him. And Sensitive was also naked. | |
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First Flight, a Dinotopia illustrated novel packaged with a board game: At the climax Our Heroes, the human who has turned away from technology and his various animal buddies destroy a ridiculously huge flying scorpion mecha by scrambling around on top of it biting tubes, flinging berries, cutting wires, and finally removing the completely exposed, fist-sized, externally mounted power source. While the thing was created to be used against intelligent animals such as these, it was evidently very poorly designed for this task. | |
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The War of the Worlds: The alien race dominates earth, but succumbs en masse to common bacteria as soon as they exit their machines. | |
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The writers of the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries go a long way towards setting things right, exercising far less creative license than Lynch and, subsequently, remaining much closer to Frank Herbert's original novel. | |
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Parodied in a Scary Door episode (that happens to be a parody of The War of the Worlds) in the third movie. | |
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Star Wars: The Clone Wars: "Trespass": Territorial natives of Orto Plutonia attack Republic troops that have superior armament. Their attacks are surprisingly effective due to their camouflage and superior knowledge of the terrain. Massively and horrifyingly averted later on. When Grievous and his droid army head to Dathomir, the Nightsisters attempt to fight back using spears, bows, and hand-to-hand skills... against enemies who are made out of metal, are physically stronger than organics, and are wielding guns, bombers, tanks, and artillery firing shells that only affect organics. They proceed to get slaughtered with relative ease, except for Ventress who was smart enough to use her lightsabers and Force powers. |
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Tolkien's Legendarium: J. R. R. Tolkien once gave a lecture to children about dragons where he claimed (in his view) that modern weapons such as machine guns would be ineffective against them, whereas the old heroic techniques such as the arrow in the vulnerable spots would still work. He could very well be right— in The Hobbit, a black arrow brought Smaug crashing to the ground, while a lot of bullets would be needed to chip off the scales. The Fall of Gondolin: Subverted. Morgoth expressly invents tanks and war machines to destroy the Hidden Elven City of Gondolin. For their part, the Gondolindrim are still geared with Early Middle Ages-level equipment: swords, axes, bows, shields and chainmail vests. They put up a brave, good fight, but it is clear they have no chance to win, and the survivors end fleeing from the city. |
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The Civilization series is notorious for this. Put a tank (attack 8) against a spearman (defense 3) that happened to be left lying around from the early game, make the spearman a fortified (+ 50%) veteran (+ 50%) defending a mountain (+ 200%) and presto. Or a missile cruiser against a galleon, or a helicopter against a maceman... games after the first one added multiple combat rounds to help modern units out, which made instances of this trope rare enough to stand out better. Worse yet, in the original Civilization, a battleship could attack a city guarded with just an ancient phalanx, only to have the phalanx win. Radar doesn't detect wooden rowboats indeed. Archer stack on defense. The developers have actively been trying to fix this problem in the later games, with mixed results. For example, one way is to disallow stacks, forcing each unit to fight on its own (although flanking bonuses have been added to slightly offset this change). Strangely, though, an airstrike against any target, even a primitive spearman, results in some damage to the aircraft. Did the fighter jet fly low enough to be hit by a spear or something? V even has an achievement, "Turtle Power", for invoking this trope - defeat an Industrial-era ironclad with the Renaissance-era Korean turtle ship. As the turtle ship is by far the strongest sea unit available to anyone in its era (it trades off the caravel's standard sea exploration for nearly double its attacking power), this is not as difficult as it sounds. |
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In IDW's reboot of G.I. Joe, one of the remote-controlled units that Destro had snuck into the Joes' Pit meets this fate after it and its brethren wreck havoc on the Joes plus surviving all sorts of ammo. | |
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A literal example in Enemy of My Enemy, where Zerat kills the enemy sniper Yik by sneaking up behind him and crushing him with a huge rock. | |
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In The Lost Regiment, the planet Valennia has long been stuck in a Medieval Stasis, with the 9-foot-tall Humanoid Aliens who rule the planet and constantly migrate in massive Hordes keeping their "cattle" (their word for humans) at primitive levels and periodically culling the population to keep the Hordes fed. Then one of the Tunnels of Light (the remains of a Portal Network built millennia ago by the ancestors of the aliens) brings to Valennia a group of American Civil War soldiers with their weapons and industrial experience. However, this trope is only partly played straight, as muskets and cannons can, at best, even the odds against the experienced mounted warriors of the Hordes, whose skills with bows and swords are unparalleled. Not to mention the sheer numbers of the Horde compared to the humans (the Hordes normally count their warriors in "umens"; each umen is 10,000 warriors), most of whom are untrained, illiterate peasants. Ends up being subverted in later novels, when the Hordes begin to advance to keep up with the Yankees and, in fact, some of their tech ends up being better, like their nuclear-powered airships. Played straighter in the distant past with a race of Starfish Aliens who brought Frickin' Laser Beams to Valennia. The Hordes managed to overpower them and then chose to dispose of the advanced weapons. |
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Fallout: New Vegas: The Brotherhood was defeated before the events of the game by the somewhat less technologically-advanced NCR, though it was mostly due to the NCR overwhelming them with sheer numbers. Similarly, the NCR is caught in a stalemate with the Legion, who see reliance on technology as weakness and are largely armed with guns from the late 19th century, but are more numerous, employ guerrilla warfare to soften their enemies up, before going in for a full on assault, are cunning enough to manipulate other factions into serve them, and are lead by a more competent leader, who they are willing to die for. |
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In the brutal and brilliant Serbian RPG Underrail, energy fields are a common battlefield protection from directed energy weapons, bullets and shrapnel. However much like the distortion fields from Dune, they only work on fast-moving objects, so they are useless against more primitive weaponry. A warrior with a fancy energy shield can be impervious to explosions and laser fire but be felled by a simple crossbow bolt, a blade to the gut or simply a good right hook. | |
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In an almost literal example, Hoshin Engi has Bukichi (a man with a Senninkotsu but no Sendo training or paope) destroying the all-suctioning paope Kongen Kinto by throwing a large rock at it: because the rock was too big to fit through the vase paope's mouth, Kongen Kinto overheated and broke into pieces. (In context, despite looking like magic the paope are products of alien technology). | |
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There is a Chinese board game that has these aspects with 8 units, the elephant all the way down to the mouse. Simply put, it is a game of 1-8, where the higher number eats any number directly below it. However, the mouse which is the number 1 is the only piece that can eat the number 8 which means that it is the weakest that defeats the strongest. Stratego has the same mechanic, where the Spy can defeat the Marshal if it attacks first. | |
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Warframe: Played with. During the Old War, the Orokin tried to use their incredibly advanced weapons against the Sentients, only to fail horrifically because the Sentients could easily subvert Orokin technology. The Orokin resorted to "zero-tech," primitive weapons like guns and swords, and equipped their slaves with them. This worked slightly better, but not by much. Then they created the warframes and the Tenno, nigh-Physical Gods who could not be subverted by the Sentients because they were created by the Technocyte Plague, a Cyborg/biotech virus, instead of traditional Orokin super-science. The Tenno still had to be equipped with zero-tech weapons, but they were so incredibly powerful that they were able to win even with that disadvantage. By the time of the game, the Orokin and the Sentients are both long gone, but the Tenno still use archaic weapons, partly because more powerful weapons are incredibly rare, but partly because of tradition. | |
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Subverted in Cowboys & Aliens, in that the only reason the cowboys win against the bigger and Sufficiently Advanced Aliens is by using stolen technology and help from another Sufficiently Advanced Alien fighting against the first. | |
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Largely averted in ∀ Gundam. Although the Earth Militia forces know their environment well enough to stage ambushes against the technologically superior Moonrace invaders (not to mention that solid munitions can pass through their advanced shielding), it doesn't change the fact that it's a lopsided contest. Especially given that Earth-bound humanity is using what amounts to World War I technology at best against enemies that can wipe out entire regiments with beam weapons. It's only after they uncover caches of mobile suits and with the Turn-A's help that they actually put up a decent fight. | |
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Played with in Panzer World Galient. When the forces of Marder -which included infantry and cavalry equipped with beam weapons and giant war mechas- invaded the capital of the Kingdom of Arst, they easily won because the Arstians were armed with nothing but swords and spears. Later on, though, a rebel army equipped with bladed weapons and reinforced by Galient managed to beat Marder's war mechas. | |
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In Star Trek: First Contact, Picard pumps some Borg drones full of Holodeck-simulated lead from Tommy guns (with the safeties off), because Borg shields are calibrated to stop phasers, not old-fashioned bullets. The debate on whether holodeck-generated bullets are more phaser than bullet is something that fans debate to this day (plus, the number of Borg drones defeated by the holographic Tommy Gun is roughly equivalent to the number of drones defeated by phasers before they adapt... two). Later on in the film, Worf kills another Borg with a sword. He's a dangerous man — allegedly. Indeed, people tend to fare better against the Borg in close combat in general, until assimilation occurs. But that only really comes into play when dealing with inhumanly strong people like Worf or Data. Early on, a Red Shirt tries to rifle butt a Borg drone after his phaser is adapted to. The Borg shrugs off the hit and promptly hands the man his ass. Some of the expanded universe material does take the "kinetic strikes are effective against the Borg" approach. | |
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In Metal Gear Solid 4, in a world where anybody with nanomachines can be manipulated and incapacitated, Johnny gets his moments to shine when he reveals that he never had nanomachines implanted into his body, rendering him immune to the high tech methods to disable nanomachine enhanced soldiers. There's also the point where Mei Ling is given command of the USS Missouri, a ship that, due to it's age, was the only ship unaffected by Liquids' takeover of military systems. | |
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In Armory & Machine, the Hunter Class Skills are more archaic weapons and traps like Crossbows, Ballistas, Kukris and Bear Traps. Thanks to dealing penetrating damage that bypasses enemy shielding, these weapons are extremely effective against the futuristic laser-shooting robotic enemies in the Laboratory, all of which have high shield but very low health. The Ballista and Bayonet skills in particular will One-Hit Kill these. | |
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Subverted in Mass Effect: Human Revolution, where Hein only gets away with bringing Automatic Crossbows to a gunfight because the bolts release Snowblind particles to confound kinetic barrier sensors. | |
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In Evolve, you have a four-man team armed with advanced weaponry and gadgets facing off against what is essentially a large and fairly intelligent animal. It is completely possible for the monster to tear the hunters apart, regardless of the technological differences. A literal example can occur if the Goliath uses rock throw against a hunter with a laser weapon. | |
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The Powerpuff Girls (1998): In "The Beat-Alls", the combined energy blasts of Mojo Jojo, Princess, and HIM only manage to hold off the girls... until Fuzzy Lumpkins drops a rock, and defeats them. In "Beat Your Greens", when a race of advanced vegetable aliens try to invade the planet, the Powerpuff Girls and the kids of Townsville fend them off by literally eating them. |
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The "technological" armours in Pathfinder are fairly good at defending against energy weapons like laser pistols (which normal armour can't block). However, they provide almost no defence against normal (medieval-era) weapons, and the latter do about as much damage as the energy weapons. One wonders why the armour's creators couldn't find a compromise between physical and energy defence when designing their armour... | |
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe more often than not has the various sci-fi weapons and alien invaders being outgunned by conventional Earth tech. In Avengers: Infinity War, the Avengers who do the best against the alien invaders are those with regular guns and explosives; War Machine, with a minigun and a small missile launcher, probably gets more kills than the entire Wakandan army armed with vibranium spears and blasters. Rocket Raccoon, who has access to several energy weapons, is quite impressed by Bucky's fifty year old M60 and asks to buy it off of him. In The Avengers, Widow and Hawkeye's bulbous VTOL shoots down several alien aircraft with just its single GAU-17/A minigun, and a single tactical nuke launched by an F-35 annihilates the entire Chitauri armada with a proximity detonation (meaning only a fraction of the energy was actually transferred to the targets due to the Square-Cube Law). In Thor: Ragnarok, a small army of Magitek undead Asgardians get mowed down by a single guy with a pair of M16s. | |
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Iron Man: In one arc, Tony Stark fired up a virus that erased all information of him from the Internet and memories from everybody around the world. Tony later had to infiltrate Latveria and found out the hard way that Doctor Doom still remembered him and was not happy about his memory being tampered with. Doom then reveals that the amnesia virus was not able to make him forget that he had written a diary by hand (so it could not be hacked for deletion) that mentioned Stark. | |
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The later model for kobolds in Dungeons & Dragons was posited in a Dragon Magazine in the '80s, Tucker's Kobolds, as a way to turn single-HD runts into holy terrors for 20th level parties armed to the teeth with Infinity Plus One artifacts and insane eldritch arsenals. They became more formidable when they weren't dominated by evil wizards or warlords of more powerful races, as they would avoid battle-by-attrition in favor of ingenious traps and ambush-and-retreat positions. | |
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Fallout 4: There's also the first Railroad quest after you join, which has you taking up the Railway Rifle (a steam powered hand cannon that fires massive iron spikes) and using it against a squad of Brotherhood of Steel Paladins clad in advanced Powered Armor. Granted, the weapon is specifically designed to shred armor like tissue paper, allowing the supposedly wimpy Railroad to level and possibly tip the playing field in their favor. If you help rebuild the Minutemen from The Remnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel and The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing Powered Armor, wield energy weapons, and are bringing air support from The Brotherhood's Cool Airship, the Prydwen and the latter has an army of Robot Soldiers, Artificial Humans, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed mostly with old homemade pipe pistols and rifles, laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive WW1-era artillery guns. This can turn into an outright Curb-Stomp Battle, if you get them to ally with the aforementioned Railroad. One of the best weapons to defeat Coursers, Assaultrons, and other high-tech cloaking enemies is the humble Molotov Cocktail. If they cloak, toss one in their general direction and they'll catch on fire so you can see where they are and keep blasting them. |
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Farscape: From the "Die Hard" on an X episode "I Shrink Therefore I Am": Similarly, in "Lava's A Many Splendored Thing", the bad guys' personal shields protect them from pulse pistol blasts... but not from a conk on the head with a rock. Preceded by a wonderful explanation of why fire and rock beat laser. |
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In a Rock Beats Wand variant, a crooked casino dealer fools a roomful of gamblers in the Myth Adventures novel Little Myth Marker, by disdaining magical methods of cheating in favor of a marked deck. Naturally, the suspicious gamblers are too busy checking for covert magic-use to notice. | |
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Stargate SG-1: Human-made bullets are more useful than Asgardian high-tech weapons against Replicators: they absorb the energy of energy blasts, but the sheer kinetic force of a bullet will blow them apart. They may reconstitute if enough "blocks" are left intact, but on average two gunned-down replicators leave just enough for another to spring up, which can still get blown up too, so that's still a much better ratio than energy weapons. Also, it was shown that while Goa'uld personal shields can easily deflect fast moving bullets, they're powerless to stop a relatively slow-moving arrows or thrown knives. The implication throughout the series is that Applied Phlebotinum is often Awesome, but Impractical. It was lampshaded in one episode, when the team mentioned that the Goa'uld staff weapons are not meant to be effective so much as flashy and impressive, the better to intimidate conquered populations. The "sidearm" zat'nik'tel pistols are the weapon of choice for savvy Jaffa. Later subverted when human-form replicators were created, who are immune to bullets, forcing the Asgard and Humans to create a brand new hi-tech weapon to fight them. US soldiers defend a gate and actually shoot down Goa'uld Death Glider fighters with Stinger portable AA missiles. Boom!◊ On every alien planet or Alternate Earth where the Goa'uld came in ships, there was a Curb-Stomp Battle. Goa'uld technology is much better than Earth technology at ship-to-ship or ship-to-ground combat until the end of the series. However, five thousand years of A God Am I left them unprepared for guerilla warfare. When SG-1 gets captured by a Bounty Hunter named Aris Boch, O'Neill tries to throw a knife at him through the shield. The knife hits the shield and drops to the ground. Boch reveals that he has improved on the Goa'uld design so that slow objects no longer pass through the shield. It should be noted that if a thrown knife worked SG-1 could've walked out of the shield. As Boch himself put it, that kind of shield doesn't work very well as a trap. Averted with the Ori, who are so damn advanced that a single ship or emissary can curb-stomp the living hell out of everybody that gets in the way, guns or even nukes be damned. Stargate Command spends most of the arc on the defensive, seeking Ancient technology that will hopefully level the field. |
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In Wonder Woman, the Amazons successfully dispose of a German platoon armed with bolt-action rifles using only ancient weaponry, superhuman strength, and lifelong martial training. With that said, they suffer many losses in the battle and even Antiope, their general and most skilled warrior is killed by a well-placed bullet. | |
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Done literally in Mom and Dad Save the World as part of the parody. The resistance army throwing rocks has a significant advantage over the royal guards using laser guns... because the laser guns don't shoot in a straight line, giving a thrown rock a much greater effective range. The natives, who will cheerfully admit to all being idiots, all act as if rocks are a breathtaking new technology. | |
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This happens very occasionally in Rocket Age. In close quarters jungle fighting a Venusian fighting with a club could easily outmatch an Earthling with a gun, especially considering how wet it is on Venus and the sheer size of the Venusian. Also sometimes something that appears low tech, like a Venusian wooden axe, has unusual properties that give it a huge edge against modern technology. | |
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In The Legend of Zelda fic Zelda and the Manacle of Cahla, one of the types of enemies Zelda fights is Mecha-Mooks with built in Magitek weapons called Automatons. Wielding only a sword, bow and arrows, a whip and some magic spells from the titular manacle, she clears through literal hoards of them. | |
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Halo: In the far future of the 26th century, the massive alien empire known as the Covenant attacks humanity armed with advanced plasma weaponry, energy shields, and power armor. Humanity responds with... basically what they're using today, bar using coilguns in the spinal armaments of their spaceships and a few other bits. Several of the small arms calibers the UNSC uses are even no-shit modern models, such as 7.62 M118 NATO. Despite this, humanity holds its own pretty well, mostly being overwhelmed because all but the most extreme losses are simply shrugged off by the Covenant. Specific examples: In all cutscenes and novels (and gameplay), the basic human assault rifles, pistols, and shotguns are shown to be very effective against Covenant armor. Even Elites, who are decked out in full powered armor, goes down to single pistol rounds if their energy shields are knocked out (which typically only takes a few rifle or pistol shots anyway). In general, UNSC infantry consistently give as good as they get against the Covenant in ground combat; though it helps that 70-80% of Covenant infantry are Grunts and Jackals, who have horrendous morale, bad training, and are usually armed with little more than pistols. Special mention goes to one occasion in Halo: The Flood where a Covenant Wraith, a Hover Tank with a plasma mortar as its main armament, gets taken out by a .50 BMG machine gun (the bullets penetrated its lightly-armored rear section). The weapon itself may be futuristic, but the round was invented in 1921! In Halo: The Fall of Reach, a small Covenant warship is crippled by a nuclear missile detonated with a 100-meter proximity fuse, its point-defense having apparently failed it. That's completely within the range of something that can be created today. The UNSC's Scorpion tanks tend to tear through the Covenant's Wraith tanks (in fact every main game will have a breather sequence where Master Chief goes on a curb-stompy rampage in a Scorpion), despite being titanium-armored and equipped with a mere 90mm smooth-bore. Which, going by both the caliber and velocity, you'd expect to find on a Cold War era tank. It helps that, per Halo: Oblivion, the Wraith's plasma mortar has an effective range of about a kilometer (easy to believe), whereas typical Cold War era tank guns capped out at multiple kilometers. In Halo 4, you can witness several shielded Covenant light cruisers getting utterly gutted by a combination of 70mm autocannon fire and conventional cruise missiles. On that same note, a nearly kilometer-long frigate in Halo: Reach also gets destroyed by a salvo of conventional cruise missiles. The UNSC's main anti-air guns are essentially just Vulcan cannons (in-universe characters even refer to them as such as a nickname), down to firing the 20x102mm HEI round. They tear through Covenant gunships/transports (Phantoms) and light fighters (Banshees) easily. They're even used as point-defense weapons on the Infinity. The Onager at the end of Reach is basically just a scaled up version of the 32 megajoule railgun that the United States Navy is testing, at 33 meters long with a yield of 1,100 megajoules.note Though, use of DT fusion technology has made it usable with a relatively small generator, whereas a scaled up version of the naval railgun would require a massive one. Yet, if fired at a Covenant battlecruiser's main gun, it will not only completely pierce the armor protecting it, but cause a backfire that destroys the entire ship, as Noble Six proves at the end of the game. Keep in mind that a battlecruiser is over a mile long (which makes the "weak spot" so massive that it's actually larger and easier to hit than a modern supercarrier...). Covenant Hunters are multi-ton twelve foot tall Mini-Mecha covered in several inches of the same material that the Covenant use for warship armor. A mundane 102mm HEAT rocket is still totally capable of overpenetrating them in both the novels (e.g. Halo: The Flood) and in gameplay. Ditto the 105mm recoilless rifle in Halo Legends. |
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Averted in Blindsight and Echopraxia: Baseline mankind has little hope against the myriad transhuman subspecies running around. | |
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Fallout: Powered Armor is nice and all, but it can still be chipped away by enough bullets and enemies. The Combat Shotgun in Fallout 3 is more powerful than any energy weapon you'll get until the end of the game. In the Mothership Zeta DLC, one of the allies you encounter on the alien ship is a feudal-era Japanese Samurai. A Samurai on a spaceship full of aliens with ray-guns. Curb-Stomp Battle waiting to happen, right? You can have an encounter where he is standing in a room, katana drawn, surrounded by dismembered alien corpses. Curb-Stomp Battle. Fallout: New Vegas: The Brotherhood was defeated before the events of the game by the somewhat less technologically-advanced NCR, though it was mostly due to the NCR overwhelming them with sheer numbers. Similarly, the NCR is caught in a stalemate with the Legion, who see reliance on technology as weakness and are largely armed with guns from the late 19th century, but are more numerous, employ guerrilla warfare to soften their enemies up, before going in for a full on assault, are cunning enough to manipulate other factions into serve them, and are lead by a more competent leader, who they are willing to die for. Fallout 4: There's also the first Railroad quest after you join, which has you taking up the Railway Rifle (a steam powered hand cannon that fires massive iron spikes) and using it against a squad of Brotherhood of Steel Paladins clad in advanced Powered Armor. Granted, the weapon is specifically designed to shred armor like tissue paper, allowing the supposedly wimpy Railroad to level and possibly tip the playing field in their favor. If you help rebuild the Minutemen from The Remnant into the large police force they were meant to be, they can utterly wreck both The Brotherhood of Steel and The Institute, the former of which has a well trained army wearing Powered Armor, wield energy weapons, and are bringing air support from The Brotherhood's Cool Airship, the Prydwen and the latter has an army of Robot Soldiers, Artificial Humans, and weapons technology comparable to The Brotherhood. The Minutemen? They're a ragtag militia armed mostly with old homemade pipe pistols and rifles, laser "muskets" (crudely made, hand-cranked laser rifles), and good old fashioned and primitive WW1-era artillery guns. This can turn into an outright Curb-Stomp Battle, if you get them to ally with the aforementioned Railroad. One of the best weapons to defeat Coursers, Assaultrons, and other high-tech cloaking enemies is the humble Molotov Cocktail. If they cloak, toss one in their general direction and they'll catch on fire so you can see where they are and keep blasting them. |
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In District 9, the MNU mercenaries are able to eventually bring down Wikus' hijacked Mini-Mecha, but it cost them two trucks, a minigun, a big bloody anti-material rifle, at least one rocket-propelled grenade, and most of their number. And it's clear that they only stood a chance to begin with because the suit is implied to be the alien equivalent of a jury-rigged prison slingshot and Wikus has no idea what he's doing. | |
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Then there's Shamgar in Judges 3:31: "After Ehud came Shamgar son of Anath, who struck down six hundred Philistines with an ox-goad." | |
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Cruelly averted in Bad Future Crusaders where in the backstory a Diesel Punk country inhabited by zebras went to war with a Medieval Stasis country inhabited by ponies. While the ponies were limited to bows and arrows and the inherent abilities of their three species, the zebras had World War I era weaponry including firearms, telegraph lines, tanks, and early fighter aircraft. Even though the ponies vastly outnumbered the zebras, the ponies were defeated so soundly that Apple Bloom, a veteran of the war, describes it as a "massacre". | |
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In Mass Effect, this is actually justified - while laser weapons do exist, kinetic energy weapons are more effective shot-for-shot. Thus even in the future, we're still using guns that fire bullets; although now that gun has nearly limitless ammo and is capable of freezing you, setting you on fire, punching through your armor, destroying your shields, increase their mass... That said, in close-range ship-to-ship combat, lasers will literally melt enemy warships, since point-defence lasers ignore kinetic barriers. The series zigzags it—the most technologically advanced weapons are not lasers, but streams of molten metal fired like one. It is absolutely played straight in the third game, however; the protagonists release a giant Sand Worm to distract the resident technological Eldritch Abomination, and the creature does them one better and manages to kill it. Without assistance.. | |
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Used in Avatar: On the one hand, when the Na'vi fire up at human vehicles, their arrows do little more than scratch the windows. On the other hand, arrows fired at a right angle from power-diving ikrans can punch through aircraft canopies (which is Truth in Television). But on the other other hand, the Na'vi still get their blue butts kicked by machine guns and missiles, at least until the planet itself sends its wildlife in as reserve. Turns out rocks can't beat mecha — but a stampede of armored rhinos that shrug off gunfire like a gentle shower can. | |
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Defied in Sabaton's "Shiroyama", which acknowledges that Technology Marches On and there really isn't anything that can stop it. | |
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In Halo: The Fall of Reach, a small Covenant warship is crippled by a nuclear missile detonated with a 100-meter proximity fuse, its point-defense having apparently failed it. That's completely within the range of something that can be created today. | |
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In the Mystara D&D setting's Hollow World, many members of lower-technology cultures get Immortal-granted bonuses in combat, as the Powers That Be don't want any one culture to overwhelm the others and are skewing the game-rules to ensure that Rock Holds Its Own Against Laser. | |
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Even more jarring, in many fps games, e.g., GoldenEye (2010), meleeing someone with the butt of an assault rifle is more deadly than shooting someone with a bullet from said rifle. It will take just one or two melee hits, but many AK47 shots to kill someone.note Unless you aim for the head, in which case it takes two or three bullets. This is mostly just to get the player out of tight spots, as actively trying to rush and melee will get you killed pretty quickly. | |
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Eraser: In the climax, Witness Protection agent John Kruger (Arnold Schwarzenegger) and his mobster allies are up against several mooks of the Big Bad who use deadly advanced railguns with Infrared X-Ray Camera. They get the upper hand on them with ambush tactics and normal guns. | |
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Wars of the Realm: Angels and demons are able to translate most handheld weapons from the human realm to use in their world. This include handguns, which are a staple of angelic/demonic warfare in the modern era. However, both angels and demons have supernaturally fast reflexes, so they can dodge bullets or deflect them with their swords. Thus, most angel and demon warriors prefer to use their reliable blades. | |
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In Hostel, a pair of gun-toting professional killers are taken out by a gang of prepubescent boys armed with nothing but rocks and crowbars. | |
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In the Hogan's Heroes episode "Drums Along the Dusseldorf", Carter and Newkirk take out a truck of experimental fuel with a flaming arrow. | |
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Likewise, Axe Cop brings a "Dinosaur Horn" with him when he goes to Invisible King Bad Guy Planet Number Two, saying that he doesn't know what he'll find up there, but that it probably can't beat dinosaurs. And indeed, dinosaurs seem to be the only thing Invisible King Bad Guy's scientists can't make. | |
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In Skyfall, the villain is a ruthless cyberterrorist who can hack any defense system. James Bond defeats him with shells in the floorboards, shrapnel in the light fixtures, and a hunting knife. | |
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Superman: Subverted in The Krypton Chronicles. Several millennia ago, Kryptonians were conquered and slaved by an alien race known as Vrangs. The first slaves who revolt against the Vrangs use their own chains to kill the guards watching them, even though the latter were armed with beam weapons. Though, the rebels are aware that they couldn't fight a whole army armed with firearms, so they escape after stealing their masters' weapons, which Hatu-El manages to reverse-engineer and improve. Strangers at the Heart's Core: Variant. Supergirl cannot open her Kryptonian parents' house's door using her laser-key, so she uses a hairpin to click the futuristic lock open, something the locksmith could have never counted on. |
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In Dark Souls II, the "Strike" type weapons tend to be relatively crude compared to the other weapons in the game. The Great Club in particular is just a branch taken from a huge tree. Strike damage in this game is arguably the most useful type of damage in the game since many enemies take less damage from any physical damage except Strike damage, especially armored opponents. Quite a few enemies will go down faster when hit by a big rock on a stick or the aforementioned tree branch than by a fancy enchanted sword. Or hey, why go through the trouble of lugging around a giant log all day when you could just strap some studded pieces of leather to your fists and punch everything to death? | |
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The Battle of Yonkers in World War Z could be considers an extreme example of this trope, in that living soldiers armed with every state-of-the-art weapon their publicity-minded superiors can load them down with get their asses kicked by zombies armed with ... teeth and jagged nails. Indeed, the advanced-against-humans nature of their weapons makes the soldiers' attacks far less effective than simple bolt-action rifles would've been, as they fire in shaky bursts aiming for the head, and their sophisticated communication links only serve to spread panic, as they can see and hear their comrades being eaten. Eventually, someone realises the problem and "invents" the Lobotomiser—more or less a modified shovel. Its simplicity and effectiveness restored troop confidence in a big way. Yonkers was explicitly a tactical failure rather than a technology failure. Later on they start forming phalanxes of soldiers armed with single-shot semiautomatic rifles with WW2-style furniture, and no accessories other than 3 barrels and an 8-inch bayonet. It works. | |
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In the Animorphs series, this is the reason the Yeerks, a race of planet-conquering aliens, are attempting to take Earth by careful infiltration rather than open warfare; their top-ranked leader Visser One, who was the Yeerk who discovered Earth and reported its existence to the Empire, has a healthy respect for the military capabilities of humanity, no matter how far below the setting's various alien races it is, pointing out that while a human firearm can't disintegrate its target like a Yeerk Dracon beam or an Andalite Shredder, it can still punch a bloody hole right through their elite Hork-Bajir shock troops, and this low-tech destructiveness runs right up to human WMDs, which could still vaporise Yeerk spaceships if they hit. The heroes also take this to extremes in their resistance to the Yeerk invasion; while their abilities were granted to them by advanced Andalite technology, their primary method of fighting the invading aliens is to morph into native Earth animals and go feral on them with claw and fang. |
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Happens sometimes in BattleTech. The setting's Humongous Mecha are thought to be the undisputed kings of the battlefield, but they can be brought down by an infantryman with a satchel charge who is willing to do a Colossus Climb and blow up the leg joints, in an anthropomorphic version of the sticky grenade rush sometimes attempted on tanks in World War 2. In the expanded universe, Mechs have been brought down by means as simple and expedient as rolling log traps, just like the iconic Star Wars example, and in one instance a Mech was defeated using nothing more than a broom handle, a severed power line, and a very good throwing arm. One of the highest-ranked generals in the Star League Defense Force was taken down by pit traps, burning oil, and infantry-portable weapons. | |
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Special mention goes to one occasion in Halo: The Flood where a Covenant Wraith, a Hover Tank with a plasma mortar as its main armament, gets taken out by a .50 BMG machine gun (the bullets penetrated its lightly-armored rear section). The weapon itself may be futuristic, but the round was invented in 1921! | |
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A non-fighting example in Avenger of Steel, where criminals are so afraid of being caught by Superman that they have resorted to buying typewriters and old computers to keep records of their activities that Superman can't easily hack. | |
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In Time Lag Vaynamo isn't even that primitive, though it lacks industry. The heavily overpopulated Chertkoi assumes it will be easy because it is still heavily rural. | |
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In Flight of the Intruder, the eponymous plane is flown through a hail of anti-aircraft fire twice in an attack on Hanoi, but on the first mission of the film earlier, a weapons officer is killed by a farmer with an old rifle on the return flight. Actually justified, as the Vietnamese were trained to fire their guns in the air when they heard jet fighters, on the chance that one of them would get lucky. A single bullet hitting a vital part through sheer luck is known in the military as the "golden bb". It happens. | |
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Light of the Moon: Varian brags that nothing can break out of his goo, and that the only way to remove it is with his counteragent. Mother Gothel proves him wrong when she digs Eugene's satchel out with a pickax. | |
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On Mystery Science Theater 3000, Tom Servo accidentally shoots down a tiny satellite with an arrow. The mother satellite is not happy about that. | |
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In Tunnel in the Sky, many colonists on their way to new worlds take horses with them instead of motor vehicles, since horses have any number of advantages in a rural setting: they run on a renewable fuel which can be found all over the place, vs. fuel that needs to be refined and transported; they have a moderate ability to repair themselves; and if one gets too severely damaged, well, it's pretty easy to make more horses. Plus, if you start running out of food, they're edible. If they do require maintenance, then you don't need an extra specialist, just a doctor with an extra medicine cabinet and a textbook. | |
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In a Thunderbirds story in TV Century 21, a Jovian alien arrives on Earth in an African village, growing gigantic and turning people to stone. It's seemingly unstoppable, not even the most powerful atomic weapons can subdue it, but a single native kills it merely with a poison dart to the eye. | |
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In Falling Skies, Tom learns that the Espheni/Overlords have already attempted to invade Earth 1500 years ago, but were driven off by primitive humans. Tom points out the stupidity of trying again. | |
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The Elder Scrolls: The Bosmer (Wood Elves) of Valenwood are bound by the Green Pact, a deal they made with the patron deity of their forest homeland ages ago in which they are not allowed to harm Valenwood's plant life. Due to the Green Pact, forges are extremely uncommon in Valenwood. As a result, metal weapons and armor have never gained popularity amongst the Bosmer. Their weaponry tends to be made of natural materials, such as bone for clubs and obsidian blades. They are known to make composite horn bows which are said to be some of the best in Tamriel. For armor, they either forgo it completely or use light natural materials such as leather and hide. The Reachmen, tribal natives of the Reach region along the border of High Rock and Skyrim, eschew metal in their weapons and armor, favoring wood, stone, fur, hide, feathers, bone, and antler. Despite this, they are able fight evenly against better equipped adversaries through use of guerilla tactics and their druidic "hedge magic." In Skyrim, this can be seen in the weapons and armor of the Forsworn, a terrorist/freedom fighter group of Reachmen. Averted in the ancient past when the Aldmer, ancestors of the modern races of Mer (Elves), first came to Tamriel. Tamriel was said to have already been inhabited by the Beast Races, but they were aboriginal and primitive, making them "easily displaced" by the more magically and technologically advanced Aldmer. |
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In the Cassandra Kresnov novels, when faced with an enemy who has such insane hacking abilities that they can redirect missiles back at their launchers in less time than it takes to say it, take total control of the entire wireless network of a major city, and even actively hack the cybernetic implants of people in real-time to trap them in virtual reality constructs, the best defenses against them turn out to be low-tech assault rifles and hand grenades since there's nothing to hack on either of them. | |
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Mother 3 is big on this, what with the whole plot being nature vs. technology. It's especially apparent in the later battles where Lucas is still using a stick and able to take down mechanical monstrosities as well as guys equipped with armor and lasers. In fact the only thing that Lucas and the gang can't beat by punching and kicking and sticks is something that NOTHING can defeat. | |
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In the Spiral Zone episode "Back to the Stone Age", the evil Black Widows disable the heroic Zone Riders' equipment during a battle in the Australian outback. The Zone Riders respond by enlisting a friendly tribe of aborigines to train them in using ancient weapons, which they use to defeat the Black Widows. | |
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Futurama: Parodied in a Scary Door episode (that happens to be a parody of The War of the Worlds) in the third movie. Used in-universe in a classic monster horror movie that was made on a planet inhabited only by robots. It had the robots as heroes (obviously) and a human as the monster that resisted even their most powerful magnetic pulses, but died by being stabbed with a stick. In "A Taste of Freedom", the Decapodian Mobile Oppression Palace (a war mech intended to subjugate Earth) gets destroyed by a single 1980s cruise missile that Fry found in a museum. The missile itself ends up requiring a designator (namely, a burning flag) to lock on and hit the Palace because most of it is made of mud. In "Fun on a Bun", the army of Neanderthals along with various beasts manage to handle themselves wellnote read: stomped them flat against the modern humans, led by Zapp Brannigan mind you. DOOP's initial invasion force to the ball planet (Spheron) gets thrashed. The Earthlings have Poistron Shooters, the ball-like aliens are unarmed and simply bounce on them until they die (okay, they had ONE bomb... a 19th century one). It helps that the Earthlings just sit still closely-clustered in the open and take individual potshots at the Spheroid Zerg Rush. |
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Iron Marines has examples on the planet Borealis — where the nomadic warrior Ga'r are fighting against the Sufficiently Advanced Alien Raad: The primitive Ga'r were being outmatched by the Raad until the Iron Marines came to their rescue. That said, the Ga'r combat units can hold their own against small groups of Raad. The Ga'r King can easily take on the Raad and their combat vehicles with just a huge battlehammer and by throwing very painful chunks of ice at them. He's also defensively capable of tanking their laser and plasma attacks and healing from them via eating a huge chunk of meat. There's also the Fenrirs, who are native wolf-like aliens that can hold their own against most Raad thanks to sheer numbers. The Alpha Fenrirs are capable of tearing both the Raad and the technologically advanced Iron Marines apart with nothing but tooth, claw, and stealth tactics. |
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Devotion (2022): VF-32's first mission once they reach Korea is to suppress air defenses so that an AD Skyraider squadron can take out two bridges across the Yalu River and slow the PLA's advance. The strike group, made up of prop planes originally built for World War II, is jumped by a next-generation MiG-15 jet fighter, which Jesse and Tom break off to go after. Jesse leads the MiG on a merry Canyon Chase while Tom sneaks around the outside and lets Jesse lead it into his guns. Near the end of the film, Jesse's Corsair is taken out by a hit to his engine from a random potshot by a Chinese infantryman, which causes a severe oil leak. |
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Kingdom Rush Vengeance: The technologically-savvy Dwarves are the first enemy faction that Vez'nan army faces, having mechanical troops including Mini-Mecha with huge drills. One post-game campaign has you face Primal Dwarves that were hidden away in the caves, and these caveman Dwarves are a much greater threat to the Dark Army than their technological counterparts. The Prehistoric Dwarf is a huge dwarf with a stone hammer that can take more damage than and hits about 3x as hard as the aforementioned Mini-Mecha. | |
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Explicitly argued against in Orion's Arm, where the "Plucky Baseline" is specifically declared impossible. A higher sophont is fundamentally unbeatable by a lower one barring the aid of an equal. Also defied by the Compatibility Doctrine, which emphasises testing new technologies against both modern and more primitive systems. |
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V even has an achievement, "Turtle Power", for invoking this trope - defeat an Industrial-era ironclad with the Renaissance-era Korean turtle ship. As the turtle ship is by far the strongest sea unit available to anyone in its era (it trades off the caravel's standard sea exploration for nearly double its attacking power), this is not as difficult as it sounds. | |
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Independence Day: The aliens come down to Earth, they glass a portion of the planet, they blow up some of the most advanced fighter planes in the world (and their elite pilots) and even nukes can't stop them... but a combination of Morse Code and a computer virus can. It makes even less sense in the original cut of the movie. Russell is denied permission to fly one of the remaining F-18's, so he shows up to the final battle and destroys the enemy ship with his crop-dusting biplane with a Sidewinder missile taped to its side. | |
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El Eternauta: Literally justified and used, as River Plate stadium is chosen because the big concrete walls are the best cover against the heat rays. Metaphorically averted, as alien tech is too big (although somewhat mundane) to be fought straight with seemingly "primitive" weapons (tanks, conventional artillery, even nuclear weapons). But if the tech itself is not absolute, the intelligent tactics of the Manos are. | |
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When the Avengers fought Kang the Conqueror, a villain with 41st century tech, Cap and Iron Man have to pull out all the stops just to stay alive. However, when The Hulk arrives, he smashes Kang's shields with nothing but his fists. However, Kang later brings out his hover chair, which has an even stronger shield that not even Hulk can break, and Kang laughs at Hulk for thinking that throwing rocks will be enough to break his shield. However, Hulk reveals that even though Rock can't beat Laser, Rock can certainly distract Laser, and Black Panther uses this opening to attack Kang from behind, buying time for Iron Man to hack the hover chair. | |
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In The Bible: Samson slaying 1000 soldiers with the jawbone of an ass. Then there's Shamgar in Judges 3:31: "After Ehud came Shamgar son of Anath, who struck down six hundred Philistines with an ox-goad." |
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Darths & Droids: It justifies this trope by virtue of a Stone Age weapons table and no damage scaling. Cue the players blatantly abusing this trope. |
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Mega Man X2: Magna Centipede, who's a tech-skilled ninja hacker centipede that teleports and throws homing mine-shurikens, is weak to scrap metal. | |
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Magic: The Gathering has a variety of formats, some with over ten thousand cards available, some with less than two thousand. While Legacy (which contains every card ever printed) is typically considered more powerful than smaller ones they are also specifically designed to beat the metagame they exist in. The result is that decks made for Standard (which has only the most recent cards) can sometimes create present Legacy decks with cards they're incapable of dealing with because the card is unplayable within the Legacy metagame. | |
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In Victoria, older tech is always better, because Retroculture. Spar torpedoes can easily sink modern warships, old WWII short-wave radar is fantastic at spotting high-tech stealth bombers. T-34s are more reliable and easily repaired than modern tanks, though at least there it's acknowledged they'll want to avoid any pitched battles with newer armor. The only computers in Victoria are those their EW specialists use to hack and confound the enemy, so their electronic security is absolute. | |
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StarCraft: A Protoss Dragoon is a massive Spider Tank with an antimatter cannon. A Zergling is a lizard with teeth and claws. Dragoons can quite easily be ripped to small pieces by a standard-issue Zerg Rush. Though this is actually somewhat more of an aversion, as Zerg are more an example of Organic Technology that's been constantly improving for ages. A Zergling is an animal, yes, but it's charging with mono-molecular blades, fitness and reflexes boosted thanks to thousands of years of directed evolution, and cannot feel any pain or fear. It's the weakest Zerg strain, with the others being even nastier. Also, in the campaign for the second game, you can use classic units from the first game, which in-universe are considered outdated and obsolete. However, there are times where players would gladly take a Science Vessel or Goliath over their more "advanced" counterparts. |
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In Stone King, this is how Saionji comes to be known as Ishio, the Stone King of Ibaraki. | |
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In Worldwar: War of Equals, the newly improved Killercrafts of the Race got their asses handed to them by Italy's Cold War-era fighters, more specifically F-104S already phased out but reactivated to face them. | |
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When Cindy and Biscuit were abducted by an alien scientist, it ended with Biscuit sending his spaceship haywire by urinating on an important control panel, and Cindy beating him with an iron bar until he agreed to take her home. | |
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Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.: During the assault on the Dalek saucer, Wyler knocks out a Roboman who is armed with a laser by hitting him in the head with a brick. | |
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Happens in Stargate, when Ra's soldiers, armed high-tech energy weapons, are defeated by a massive crowd of Abydonians armed with sticks and clubs. Justified in this case because they were outnumbered several hundred times. | |
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In the first story arc of the Deathstalker series, slow-charging energy weapons and highly-effective energy shields have rendered the advanced weapons ineffective in ground battles. After an opening volley of disruptor fire, most soldiers charge into melee with swords. This tactic allows for a brutal example of this trope later. The protagonist's party locates a cache of "ancient" kinetic projectile weapons, including very effective machine guns. When they face an army using the standard disruptor-melee combination, they slaughter their enemy with machine gun fire when they drop their shields. The advances in technology had forced them to use primitive weaponry, which were useless against the antiquated/more advanced weapons. | |
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In Anathem, although they have femtotechnology they find that defeating the interuniversal menace it is much more awesome when done with space blankets, protractors, and mixed martial arts. | |
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Death Star gives us an example which even describes a knife as a "whittled rock", and has an expert Imperial pistolier taken down when his blaster malfunctions, permitting a knife-toting enemy to shank him. | |
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Battalion Wars features the Iron Legion, which are basically orks using steampunk mechanisms powered by coal, er, Nerocite, and are able to go toe to toe if not outright beat the Solar Empire, who use plasma shells, anti gravity for flight, and artificial intellignece assistance in their weapons and vehicles. The Iron Legion would have won against the Solar Empire, were it not for a surprise super weapon the Solar Empire deployed as a last ditch effort. | |
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Subverted in The Krypton Chronicles. Several millennia ago, Kryptonians were conquered and slaved by an alien race known as Vrangs. The first slaves who revolt against the Vrangs use their own chains to kill the guards watching them, even though the latter were armed with beam weapons. Though, the rebels are aware that they couldn't fight a whole army armed with firearms, so they escape after stealing their masters' weapons, which Hatu-El manages to reverse-engineer and improve. | |
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Gemma from Dogstar is an expert with thrown rocks (as are most of her race). In "Persuasion", she destroys an entire space station with a single, well-thrown rock. | |
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In Plants vs. Zombies, the Zombies try to invade your house using tools, vehicles, and a Humongous Mecha (and futuristic Mini Mechas in the sequel). They all get taken down by plants. | |
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In Transformers: Robots in Disguise, the Predacons attempt to steal an antique steam train which is being guarded by Team Bullet Train. Gas Skunk fires an EMP pulse which disables Rail Spike and Rapid Run, but has no effect on the steam train due it its lack of electronic components. Also, Sky Bite, Dark Scream, and Slapper are all disabled by smoke from its chimney. | |
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Sonic the Hedgehog does this: The titular character defeats an entire army of robots, guns, traps, and the Big Bad himself... by running fast and jumping into them. This is Silver the Hedgehog's bread and butter. While he can and will send a robot's missiles and bullets right back at them and employ Grievous Harm with a Body when in close quarters, he's usually able to get by perfectly fine by simply scooping up the debris and scenery around him and chucking it at his enemies. |
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The Incredible Hulk: It's a fairly common tactic for the Hulk to use a blunt object against technologically advanced foes. This is presuming that he can't simply tear them metal limb from metal limb with his bare hands (which he usually can). Granted, the Hulk pretty much applies this tactic to any foe, regardless of the level of technology at their disposal. This is quite in line with real world physics; you can destroy anything in the universe, ANYTHING at all... if you hit it hard enough. And who could possibly hit harder than an enraged Hulk? . | |
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Subverted in Magnificent Warriors - the rural town of Kaal whose militia consists of poorly-armed resistance fighters and their Home Guard units managed to take down a numerically superior Japanese platoon whose ranks include mortars, trucks, and artillery using guerilla tactics, even killing the Co-Dragons and capturing the Japanese commander. But the commander then reveals they're only the first invasion force - a second unit containing tanks are on the way. As the Kaal citizens have suffered too much in their initial battle, they decide to come to a truce where they'll burn their own city to the ground while General Toga tells the reinforcements that the town has been destroyed without any survivors. | |
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In the Xbox remake of Ninja Gaiden, Ryu defeats the slightly-beyond-modern technology-boasting forces of Vigoor, users of electrified batons, unlimited ammo firearms and cyborgs with energy weapons, using swords, nunchaku, and a variety of other old-timey weapons. Especially so if he uses the Wooden Sword (absolutely useless in most situations, unless the player upgrades it to level seven... where it becomes one of the most powerful weapons in the game. But still wooden.) | |
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This occasionally happens on Leverage against high-tech security systems. In "The Last Dam Job" this happens twice. As their antagonist has recognized them and knows them enough to predict what they will do, they are forced to be somewhat creative. Hardison and Eliot use Mussels (an invasive species) to shut down a dam instead of a more complicated computer intrusion. Later, Hardison and Chaos plan to give Archie and Parker a bunch of high-tech doodads to break into a vault. Archie thanks them, but notes that all they need is flour, milk, eggs, and sugar. With the only advanced tech involved being Archie's tazer cane and a bomb, it works perfectly. This is also used against them occasionally, such as when Hardison is unable to use his usual tricks to hack into a programmer's system because the target has his most valuable data on a computer and operating system that are so long out of date that Hardison's programs are completely incompatible. |
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In the reboot of Syndicate, the LAW-92 is a relatively low-tech unguided missile popular with terrorists because Agents cannot disable them via Breaching. | |
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In Plants vs. Zombies 2: It's About Time, the Infi-nut (a projected Hard Light Wall-Nut that regenerates via its projector) can be instantly destroyed, projector and all, by a zombie carrying a lit wooden torch, a caveman pushing ice blocks, or a girl zombie with roller skates. In a literal example of the trope there's the Jurassic Rockpuncher, who's a caveman with rocks tied to his hands and uses said rocks to smash plants for a One-Hit Kill. It will also destroy the Hard Light laser Infi-nut along with its projector. | |
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In Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Roman triremes from the second century BC manage to shoot down a World War II-era bomber plane armed with a machine gun. | |
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Justice League: Despite being physical gods with access to highly advanced tech that surpass anything in modern day, the Apokoliptians were defeated by humans, Amazons and Atlanteans over 20,000 years ago. Sure, they had literal divine intervention on their side (the Olympian Gods fought to defend Earth) as well as a couple of Green Lanterns to assist them, but it doesn't change the fact that a bunch of pre-historic warriors managed to beat Sufficiently Advanced Aliens with ships and hover tanks. | |
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In Christopher G. Nuttal's Ark Royal the titular starship is decades obsolete with its mass drivers instead of Energy Weapons and armor so heavy it can barely move. But then humanity gets into a war with aliens whose weapons cut unarmored modern ships to pieces and the Admiralty brings the Ark Royal back into service believing that its armor will allow it to withstand alien attacks and its rock-chuckers can take out the enemy's ships with ease. | |
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Made much more recurrent in the spinoff series, She-Ra: Princess of Power, where She-Ra and the Great Rebellion often fight off the Evil Horde's forces by using such methods as catapulting boulders or tree trunks into the Horde's robotic troopers, tanks, aerial warships and other advanced weapons. | |
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Some of the more powerful units in Heroscape are Medieval units or colonial-times soldiers who are able to destroy the Soulborgs. | |
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Parodied in SpongeBob SquarePants B.C. (Before Comedy), in which a caveman's curiosity about a robot activates its defense mechanisms. The caveman later responds by throwing large rocks at it; for the rest of the fight, they seem evenly matched. | |
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Warhammer 40,000, due to the ridiculously Schizo Tech of the setting. On one side you could have the Eldar casually using fusion guns and black hole projectors, or the Tau whose basic infantry weapon is a plasma-launching coilgun assisted by sophisticated electronic targeting systems. But due to the game rules, if those warriors are unfortunate enough to get locked in close combat with a bunch of howling Orks waving around stone clubs, their advanced sci-fi ranged weaponry is exactly as effective as a stick with a nail in it (if only because the game rules don't actually bother to make a distinction between a stick with a nail in it to, say, a medieval sword). The Imperium of Man still makes use of firearms. While small arm-sized auto and stub weapons (pistol and rifle equivalents using caseless ammo) are often lackluster, larger guns are just as powerful as their energy equivalents, the bolters remain fast-firing rocket-propelled AP/HE/incendiary grenades, and their artillery (using the powder bag system dating to 1917) is one of the most devastating weapons of the game. And compared to the above, Chaos weaponry is downright archaic. The Imperium gets plasma-sheathed swords and fusion guns, while Chaos gets swords forged in hellfire and scythes with blades dipped in the cauldron of Nurgle. Doesn't make them any less lethal, in fact often they are more so. Primarch Vulkan once faced an entire Dark Eldar raiding force that threatened the people of his homeworld. The Dark Eldar are a race of technologically adept super sadists with guns that shoot razor floss, while Vulkan's homeworld hadn't even left the iron age and all he had was a pair of blacksmith hammers. He still massacred them. |
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Due to a variety of factors, usually happens at least once in a blue moon during a corp run in Shadowrun. As in sci-fi examples stated further above, megacorps do not bother with failsafes and countermeasures against primitive measures, as they just won't be utilized enough to make the cost worth it. Corps that fear such things may be used to infiltrate them tend to hire mage/tracker(usually a bandersnatch or hellhound) teams to roam their halls and spot anything out of the ordinary. From the sample NPC quotes for a Native American chief: | |
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In Down Periscope, it's revealed by Vice Admiral Winslow to Dodge, that an old diesel submarine could be a threat to US harbors - if it was crewed and commanded by people willing to play outside the rule books of more conventional submarine forces in an underwater version of guerrilla warfare. Given technical issues too complex to be addressed here, the scenario is one that makes Real Life military planners less than happy. Partially subverted by the fact that in conventional warfare a diesel is no match for a nuclear sub, see the Real Life section below. | |
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First Blood: Unlike in later Rambo movies, John doesn't get a hold of a gun and has to use Nam-style mantraps against his pursuers. | |
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Empire Earth: Nuclear submarines are only capable of shooting buildings and land units, while only attackable by frigates and other subs. The very first ship is a war raft, consisting of a pair of cavemen throwing big rocks, that eventually upgrades into a frigate... but even at that point it can still attack nuclear subs without fear of retaliation. In the second game, gun-wielding infantry now upgrades directly from its sword/spear/bow-wielding predecessor (instead of from an entirely new arquebus unit like the previous games), as a side effect of the game treating unit classes (Heavy and Light Infantry/Mounted/Artillery) as have Evolutionary Levels. This in turn means that infantry can attack helicopters at any tier, including when they're club-wielding caveman who bear the chopper's shadow to death. |
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Space Battleship Yamato 2199 provides a few examples, thanks to the UN propensity for using firearms: Small arms are firearms, and they're just as capable as the Gamilas' energy weapon equivalents; Fighters too are equipped with firearms as their guns, and not only the smaller guns (apparently similar to current revolver cannons) are equivalent to the Gamilas fighters energy weapons, but the larger guns are more powerful; The Yamato's main guns are capable of operating both as the devastating shock cannons and as normal naval guns firing 'Type 3 shells'. The shells are something incredible: while short-ranged, they are just as devastating as the shock cannons, can fire indirectly, and, differently from energy weapons, can operate just fine inside portals, wrecking Deslar's flagship when he ambushes them inside one. |
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Chrono Trigger takes this to a literal extreme, where Lucca's prehistoric rock-slinger is more powerful than a laser pistol from the future. When Ayla reaches maximum level, her fist can hit for more damage than any other weapon in the game, including swords, guns, bows, etc. | |
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In Power Rangers Mythos, the Rangers learn that their main enemy, the alchemist Avanth, is passing instructions to his minions on paper because nobody would think to look for such messages in the year 2600. Later, they use an old-fashioned radio to intercept a message about Avanth's latest scheme. | |
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Doctor Who: "The Daleks' Master Plan": Ancient Egyptians exploit the Renegade Daleks' lack of hovering apparatus by boxing a Red Dalek in with rocks. "The Dominators": Jamie and Cully defeat deadly robots (which are wielding some kind of powerful beam weapons) using rocks large and small. "Planet of the Daleks": Thals drop rocks on a Dalek rising through a long shaft on antigravity. The rocks, after all, have gravity on their side. "Death to the Daleks" has a subversion. A human spaceship, a Dalek spaceship and the TARDIS are immobilised on a planet. The Daleks try to exterminate the Doctor only to find their weapons don't work, one Dalek is taken out by the locals with rocks and spears, and some of the rest are captured and led off to be sacrificed. The remaining Daleks promptly replace their energy weapons with slug-throwing guns (meaning bullets, not gastropods), which still work just fine, and wreak brutal revenge. "The Pirate Planet": When faced with a locked door, the Doctor tries the sonic screwdriver, which fails. So he pulls out a bobby-pin, which succeeds. Quoth the Doctor: "The more sophisticated a technology, the more vulnerable it is to primitive attack." "Remembrance of the Daleks": Who can forget the episode where a Dalek was bagged by a feisty, tough-as-nails teenage Pint-Sized Powerhouse with a baseball bat? Later in the same episode, she takes out another one with an anti-tank missile. Ace is one of the most fondly remembered companions in the history of the show, and for good reason. Shows up in "The Sontaran Stratagem"/"The Poison Sky" with the Sontarans. For all their advanced technology they're caught by surprise and slaughtered by U.N.I.T. (the resident Red Shirts). The Sontarans have technology that expands copper casings of bullets, making guns unable to fire... so U.N.I.T. switches to non-copper casings. Hilarity ensues. Well, U.N.I.T. does also use a huge Airborne Aircraft Carrier firing an alien-technology-based laser cannon, so it's not as if they're that far behind technologically. "Silence in the Library": "The Day of the Doctor": The Doctor (all three) can't use the sonic screwdriver to escape a cell because the door is too primitive. Of course, the Queen has actually left the door unlocked, figuring the Doctors would take forever to actually try opening it. "Resolution": In the backstory, three 9th-century armies managed to, at great cost, defeat a Super Prototype Dalek reconnaissance scout, mainly by managing to tie it down and then roasting it alive inside its armour. Not that this actually killed the creature itself, mind you... |
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An ongoing theme of Tragg and the Sky Gods, as Handsome Heroic Caveman Tragg is consistently able to best aliens armed with Ray Guns and other advanced technology with nothing more than stone age weaponry. A literal version happens in #6, when Keera draws her blaster during a Duel to the Death, only to have it knocked from her hand and smashed by a rock thrown by Lorn. | |
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New Mazinger. The trope is definitely subverted in this Mazinger Z spin-off. At the beginning, Mazinger easily defeats with a sword a bunch of mechas armed with laser blades, ray guns and missile launchers... However Mazinger later faced an army not even used firearms. Mazinger was loaded with clusters of missiles. He easily annihilated them. | |
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Prequel treats its readers to a flash minigame where they control Katia as she chases a skilled mage throughout the city of Kvatch — his ability as a wizard gives him a great advantage in agility as he escapes from the normally clumsy Katia. The chase ends with Katia performing a combat roll, simultaneously grabbing a stone, chucking it at the back of his head and scoring a direct hit. "Situation: controlled!" | |
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In EndWar, the Russian Spetsnaz' philosophy seems to be "whatever works, works", employing tried-and-true tactics and equipment over the high-tech gadgets of the American JSF and the European EFEC. Bears engineers get modern day ballistic vests over futuristic nano-composite armour and Training from Hell instead of advanced sonic wound sealing medical systems, Wolves riflemen get camouflage paint over Active Camouflage, T-100 Ogre tanks get mine ploughs on the front to make up for the Russians' lack of "smart mine" technology... In fact most tellingly is how their command vehicle is guarded by squads of regular infantry instead of high-tech robotic drones like the JSF and EFEC (but the men are still referred to as "drones", make of that what you will) - however these "Bodyguard" infantry are arguably better than the drones because they come in twenty-man squads rather than a group of four and unlike the drones, they can take cover which increases their survivability, range and accuracy beyond that of the drones. | |
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Daredevil: During Acts of Vengeance, Daredevil, having failed to defeat Ultron by crashing a truck into him, knocks the robot's head off with a stick. And not one of those he always uses. An ordinary wooden stick. Then again you need to consider that the only reason he could do that was because Ultron 13 was an amalgamation of contradicting personalities and conveniently/literally tore himself apart... | |
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Though not quite as far apart technologically, in The Last Samurai the Samurai army universally favors "honorable" weapons like katanas, spears, and bows instead of the firearms of the regular Imperial Army of Japan. They win their initial battle against poorly trained soldiers armed with old guns, and only lose their climactic final battle after killing over two-thirds of the second, better-trained and armed army (although even the better armed army is still using badly outdated single shot rifles), who outnumbered them six to one. This is somewhat downplayed in that it's shown that some pretty serious tactical mistakes had to be made in the second battle for the samurai to do that much damage. (Namely the resident Corrupt Politician taking control of the army and completely ignoring the advice of his paid military advisor, to the point of doing the opposite of whatever his advisor says). In the end the Samurai only win a moral battle by showing the newer army that traditional values, especially courage against overwhelming odds, should be respected. Which may well have been their goal all along. | |
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The episode "The Tribe" of Criminal Minds features an Apache cop that Doesn't Like Guns and is instead armed with a knife. In his own words, he'll kill or disarm any gunman that is less than 6 meters away from him while he is still (re)loading or aiming; if he's more than 6 meters away, he runs. | |
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Demonstrated in Sourcery when Rincewind beat a sourcerer while wielding nothing more than a half-brick in a sock. Played with, as the sourcerer saw him as such a non-threat that he refused to fight him at all and underwent a Heel–Face Turn. The half-brick in a sock did prove useful when the sourcerer's staff tried to stop him, since it let Rincewind knock it out of his hand without touching it. | |
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Beast Wars: In "Go with the Flow", Oona, the little protohuman girl, successfully took down Waspinator with a stick thanks to Cheetor's advice: "When you're battling 'bots, hack at the hinges." Really, Waspinator may have been the series' Butt-Monkey, but he's still an alien war machine. In the series finale "Nemesis", the primitive humans held off Inferno, a flamethrower wielding war machine, and Quickstrike, a poison wielding war machine, with, well, sticks. The two did eventually get their act together, though, mostly because they weren't expecting the assault. They were inspired by Dinobot, who took down Megatron with a stone hammer in "Code of Hero". Although, again, Dinobot is an alien war machine. Subverted moments earlier, when Dinobot attacks Megatron with a stick (no rock yet) and is brutally smacked aside and mocked for thinking it would work. In "Bad Spark", Rampage's introductory episode, he proved to be unstoppable by conventional weapons. They could only halt his progress by having Silverbolt bury him in a rock slide. |
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Downplayed example in Yojimbo, where Sanjuro, a samurai armed with a throwing knife or two and a sword, defeats Unosuke, a gun wielding gangster. However, Unosuke is no expert in guns, knowing how to use it but does so in counterproductive or inefficient ways, while Sanjuro is a superbly skilled and battle hardened warrior. Sanjuro manages to make Unosuke miss the first shot and wound his gun arm with a throwing knife, which buys Sanjuro enough time to close the distance and strike a lethal blow. | |
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Justified in Star Ocean: Despite having access to laser pistols, Ronyx and Ilia were chosen to go after the Jie Revorse with Millie, Roddick, and their four friends from the past wielding their bare hands, swords, knives, staves (or spears) bows, and symbology because Revorse was genetically modified to the point where he was immune to energy-based weaponry. Presumably, they don't have much Ballistics in the present time. Actually, it could be a safety measure - maybe the energy weaponry is a bit safe so that it only works on organic targets (or robots), or at least can't break spaceship walls like Ballistics could. Even if this is futuristic, early adapters could probably have banned ballistic weaponry. | |
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In an episode of Andromeda, when Captain Hunt tries to arm a peaceful settlement so they can defend themselves from space pirates, he brings along a load of force lances. But, what do you know, a religious extremist who'd rather see the people enslaved than lose their innocence explodes the box of force lances. So, Hunt has the natives sharpen sticks and throw them from the walls at the well-armed pirates, and they end up driving them back. The being said, Hunt is a relic of a bygone age when the Systems Commonwealth crews were some of the most badass men and women alive. Also, Captain Hunt was a member of the Argosy Special Operations Service, one of the most badass of the badasses. He was also batshit insane (as the events on Acheron proved...) |
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In the episode "The Infinite Vulcan" in Star Trek: The Animated Series, a container of knockout gas proves to be very effective in a room with a phaser-disabling field. | |
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Batalha dos Guararapes: The final battle between the Dutch and Brazilians is going poorly for the latter until the native Church Militant tribesmen armed with only spears, shields and righteous Catholic indignation arrive to turn the tide of the battle towards their allies, despite their Dutch enemies being armed with cannons and fireweapons. | |
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Battlestar Galactica (2003) downplays and justifies this. The Galactica avoids infection from Cylon viruses by not having a computer network. Instead it gets by using dumb computers, manually controlled starfighters and weaponry, and hardwired communications. | |
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In Halo 4, you can witness several shielded Covenant light cruisers getting utterly gutted by a combination of 70mm autocannon fire and conventional cruise missiles. | |
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The Uplift series has this as a running theme. As newcomers to a galaxy filled with Sufficiently Advanced Aliens with eons-old technology, humanity and its clients must rely on their wits and the technology that they've learned to understand in a few short centuries. In The Uplift War, humans and chimps with jungle camouflage and crossbows manage to slaughter the technologically reliant Gubru — after realizing that their initial severe losses were due to the Gubru having rigged the humans' technology so they could track it. Later in the war, they also manage to capture some Gubru weapons. | |
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In Gold Digger, Madrid finds herself in a fight against herself from six years in the future (to protect herself from sixteen years in the future), but any weapon she pulls out or cobbles together gets just as hastily disassembled by "Plus Six's" Hard Light tools. Present Madrid puts together one last weapon, which turns out to be a spring-loaded rock covered with enough components to give off a high-energy signature to get Plus Six to take it apart, which launches the rock right into her face. | |
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Worms: A Space Oddity takes this to great levels of awesome for the final mini-game, which is also the final level of the single-player campaign. Realising that their high-tech weaponry ain't doing smeg against the invaders, the worms decide to arm the "trusty shotgun"... Which can take down UFOs. In a single shot. Much ass-kicking ensues. | |
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Rise of Nations is almost as bad. Thanks to the Tactical Rock–Paper–Scissors mechanic, if the tech levels are different enough, you can see not just spearmen killing tanks, but archers killing missile-armed anti-tank infantry, cavalry cutting down machine guns (the reverse of which happened in real life), sloops sinking submarines, and lookout towers shooting down fighter planes. Perhaps the worse example is the transition from the enlightenment era to a late industrial navy. Dreadnoughts have a relatively minor stat increase compared to the Men o' War/Ships of the Line they replace, and are liable to be sunk when engaging more then one, when logically the latter shouldn't be able to scratch the former. | |
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Averted in Finishing the Fight, which has Master Chief and the UNSC crushing their medieval-level enemies with great ease. Even their armor is far superior. Also rather amusingly inverted on one occasion, where Briza Do'urden is barely halfway through gloating about her newly summoned Earth Elemental before it gets annihilated by a Spartan laser. | |
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Galaxy Man, a UFO-like robot who creates black holes in Mega Man 9, is taken down easily by wet concrete. It does work both ways though, given Concrete Man's weakness is laser-powered. | |
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Prince Roger: The titular Prince, at risk of capture, points out that his royal cybernetic enhancements are among the best in the galaxy, and will resist any attempt by the bad guys to hack into them for brainwashing. Pahner replies that there's still good ol' fashioned psychotropic drugs. The Marine guard have super-advanced mini-railgun weapons, plasma guns, and reactive-armor suits... but the weapons keep running out of ammo and aren't even as effective against the semi-armored local wildlife as Roger's "smoke pole", the plasma guns can't handle the dampness and keep exploding violently, and the suits, while effective against the local weaponry, can't be moved without a power source. Eventually, the marines start introducing the locals to Roman-style phalanx combat and breech-loading cartridge rifles, which works much better. While the modern weapons really do a number on the Kranolta, that first battle pretty much wipes out their supplies. One of the layers of a Marine's dress uniform hardens in response to sudden impact, making it nearly bullet-proof. Javelins and swords don't hit fast enough to trigger this reaction, and can cut right through. |
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Applied literally in the pilot of Star Wars: The Bad Batch, when the clones destroy several battle droids by rolling a giant boulder onto them. | |
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When The Losers need to steal some data from a MegaCorp, they send Jensen to get the data. When the network proves too well-protected, he resorts to "analog hacking": Grabbing a fire axe and hacking his way into their server room to physically steal a hard drive. | |
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In Avengers: Infinite Wars, this plays a part in the Avengers' first confrontation with a Sith; while lightsabers can deflect blaster bolts, they just melt bullets, with the result that Asajj Ventress is struck by small fragments of molten lead when she tries to deflect Sam Wilson’s shots. | |
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The Fall of Gondolin: Subverted. Morgoth expressly invents tanks and war machines to destroy the Hidden Elven City of Gondolin. For their part, the Gondolindrim are still geared with Early Middle Ages-level equipment: swords, axes, bows, shields and chainmail vests. They put up a brave, good fight, but it is clear they have no chance to win, and the survivors end fleeing from the city. | |
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Masters of the Universe: Sometimes, He-Man grabs a huge boulder and hurls it into Skeletor's laser-armed robotic minions. Made much more recurrent in the spinoff series, She-Ra: Princess of Power, where She-Ra and the Great Rebellion often fight off the Evil Horde's forces by using such methods as catapulting boulders or tree trunks into the Horde's robotic troopers, tanks, aerial warships and other advanced weapons. |
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There is a reason spacemen in the Lensman universe carry space axes. Personal energy shields worked better the faster the incoming threat, so near-lightspeed threats like beams were shrugged off. The needle-sharp hardened tip of a space ax, even when swung by a well-trained spaceman, was still too slow for an energy shield to really affect it. | |
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Predator: Dutch used this trope in the climax of the first movie making traps out of sticks and stones and covering himself in mud to mask his heat signature. But it doesn't actually work. Despite exploiting the predator's heat vision to his advantage, Dutch's low-tech approach fails to beat the alien. It's only when the latter decides to "even things out" by removing its multipurpose helmet and shoulder gun that Dutch manages to beat it. And even then it's more due to dumb luck more than anything. In the expanded Predator material, the Predators are shown to particularly enjoy hunting humans because of our ability to make rocks beat lasers. Being intelligent, wily, and resourceful makes us the second-ultimate prey. The expanded universe goes on to reveal that Predators themselves gain more honor from hunting things using only low-tech weapons: any hunter can laser someone with a rock from a kilometre away, but using a rock to beat someone with a laser takes true skill. In the 2010 Alien vs. Predator game, you gain bonus points for completing a level using only your wrist blades. Predator 2 shows us a Predator trophy room which contains, among other things (like the skull of an alien from the Alien franchise) a flintlock pistol... implying that not only did a human attempt to challenge a Predator with this weapon, this individual put up enough of a fight to be considered a worthy opponent! |
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In many video games (Quake II and Unreal games come to mind), the player's initial weapon is a futuristic blaster—a pea-shooter compared with less sophisticated weapons such as a shotgun (single- or double-barrelled), which can deal out much more damage. Even bullet-using rifles/SMGs and miniguns/chainguns are more effective. (There's usually a powered-up version of the pea-shooting blaster available, though, such as Quake II's Hyperblaster and BFG, or the various upgrades to the dispersion pistol in Unreal.) The futuristic but ineffective blaster does have two advantages, since it's intended as an Emergency Weapon—it doesn't break and never runs out of ammunition. Even more jarring, in many fps games, e.g., GoldenEye (2010), meleeing someone with the butt of an assault rifle is more deadly than shooting someone with a bullet from said rifle. It will take just one or two melee hits, but many AK47 shots to kill someone.note Unless you aim for the head, in which case it takes two or three bullets. This is mostly just to get the player out of tight spots, as actively trying to rush and melee will get you killed pretty quickly. |
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The Firefly 'verse in general prefers projectile weapons to lasers. Specifically, in "Heart of Gold", the Big Bad brandishes a laser, which does do quite a bit of damage...until it runs out of power, very quickly, thus illustrating why projectile weapons are preferred. On the other hand, guns can run out of ammo too. Presumably, the Alliance troops who use lasers carry spare power packs, just like modern-day soldiers carry spare magazines. Supplemental material revealed that while laser weapons were effective, they were also bulky, heavy, and delicate compared to guns. This was not a huge liability on Core planets where Alliance troops would have ready access to spare parts, but out in the planets the show was mostly set in, using a laser meant that you'd have a powerful weapon that ran out of ammo quicker, you couldn't carry as much ammo (due to the bulk and weight of the power packs), and when (not if) it broke on you it would be harder and more expensive to repair it. | |
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Done literally in sub-par platform game Xargon, where the laser is the protagonist's initial weapon, and the thrown rock is considered an upgrade (and, ironically, a worse weapon; it deals the same amount of damage, but flies in an upwards arc that makes it impractical to hit enemies in front of you). See also: Ghouls n' Ghosts. THAT FUCKING TORCH | |
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Queen Millennia: Leopardo's ship is chased away with... cannonballs and spears. La-Metal's spacecraft is designed with defenses against advanced weaponry, so physical projectiles put it at a risk of decompression. | |
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A Culture in Iain M. Banks's series of novel has spent more than 10,000 years using her Special Circumstance elite agency to learn to beat lasers with rocks, rocks with lasers and Scary Dogmatic Aliens with apparently unarmed and captured spies, making them Crazy-Prepared masters of Bamboo Technology while still being able to throw blackholes when needed. Even they aren't immune to this trope, though, as in The Hydrogen Sonata, a Culture warship was destroyed by a small fleet of lower-tech Liseiden scavenger vessels. Granted, it was an LCU, one of the smallest and weakest Mind-equipped ships, and the 'rock' technology in this case included interstellar travel and remote-controlled missiles, but it was still a freak upset of a fight. |
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In The Bartimaeus Trilogy, the mercenary is invulnerable to ridiculous amounts of magic, but gets knocked out when Faquarl treats him to a good ol' knuckle sandwich, because his invulnerability and physical toughness depend on absorbing magic used against him. | |
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Strangers at the Heart's Core: Variant. Supergirl cannot open her Kryptonian parents' house's door using her laser-key, so she uses a hairpin to click the futuristic lock open, something the locksmith could have never counted on. | |
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Star Trek: Voyager: Janeway, not an exceptionally strong woman, manages to kill a Borg drone with a bat'leth at least once... after the drone had knocked down the bat'leth's owner — a large Klingon male. Though this was in a simulated world. | |
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The High Crusade by Poul Anderson (1960): A Medieval English army, fully prepped on the eve of leaving to join King Edward's crusade, crushes a small alien invasion force, by dint of cunning, superior numbers, and having no EMP-susceptible equipment or depletable bullets/explosives/laser charges - but plenty of reusable arrows, swords, sheer brute strength and a sense of righteous Christian indignation. Then, using the captured spaceship and the grudging assistance of a surviving alien interpreter (taught Latin by the army's cleric), they launch a counter-invasion of the evil intergalactic empire, whom they view as the more prolific, Heaven-soiling brethren of the heretics overrunning Israel. Because the invaders to our world have been dominant for so long over such a wide area, nobody up in the stars has any damn idea what politics are any more. The human leader manages to convince every single alien he meets, through bravado, underhandedness, trickery, and good old-fashioned lying, to assail their opponents. When "future" Earth finally reaches the stars, they are met by the emissary of the trans-galactic feudal Christian empire, run by Human descendants of the would-have-been Crusaders. And it is beyond awesome. Especially when the Space duke asks the Earth captain if the Holy Land is free of the Pagans. "Um, yes" says the Captain who is a loyal servant of the Israeli Empire. The English have an additional advantage over the aliens: the aliens' weapons have become so advanced that they no longer have any knowledge whatsoever of hand-to-hand combat. Once the English are able to get in close quarters, the aliens don't stand a chance. It takes the English army exactly one battle to figure this out. | |
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In Metroid's manga, the cutting-edge new Power Beam can't pierce Mother Brain's Zebetites shield, but Grey Voice's century-old weapon can. | |
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Horizon Zero Dawn can be summed up as "Rock Beats Laser: The Game". Taking place on an Earth populated by various Animal Mechas and humans still in hunter-gatherer tribes, the protagonist Aloy slays any machines she runs afoul of with her spear and a bow and arrows. | |
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Black Hawk Down: The Mogadishu militia are able to negate the speed advantage of the American assault force by having a kid with a cellphone set up on an overlook near the base. When he sees a large group of black helicopters taking off, he calls another kid with a cellphone who passes it to the warlord and then he gets people running around the city lighting tire fires, which act as warning beacons that let everyone know they're about to have company. | |
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In Cleopatra 2525, everyone uses Energy Weapons. However, one of the protagonists' colleagues is revealed to be a "thaw", someone cryogenically frozen before humanity was driven underground and defrosted after. The guy still has his nine-millimeter firearm, which he regularly cleans and maintains. So, when one episode's villain tries to hide behind an impenetrable Deflector Shield, Sarge grabs the gun and puts a bullet in his chest, as no one thought to protect against such a primitive weapon (shield only block energy blasts). | |
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Artemis Fowl zig-zags with this pretty often. In general, the boy genius hero often gets the upper hand on the fairies despite their vastly superior technology; but he often does it by stealing and hacking into their technology, and there's less of this trope once he teams up with them. Butler often conveniently gets to use his martial arts skills to save the day: in the first book, he completely fails to harm a giant troll with a gun, so (after nearly dying and getting the Healing Hands treatment) he puts on a suit of armor and beats it into submission with a mace. In the second book, he demonstrates a justification for the trope: The Fairy society has long since moved past kinetic weaponry, and the majority of species are not very physically strong. This means their security doors, while impenetrable against the laser weaponry everyone wields, may as well be tissue paper when confronted by the vast specimen of Butler. Mulch the dwarf also does this a lot with his Bizarre Alien Biology; he disables a high-tech security camera by farting at it with enough force to make it rotate away from the area he needed to infiltrate. |
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Played very realistically in the 1632 series. The uptimers' modern firepower (even the relatively simple weapons and vehicles from a civilian town) initially make short work of downtime armies. But the wiser heads in town repeatedly caution that it doesn't make them invincible. Their limited supply of weapons and massive numerical disadvantage puts them at risk, the smartest of their enemies quickly develop tactics to neutralize their advantages, and a 17th century cannonball will kill you dead, no matter how well armed you are. | |
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Said but not shown on Babylon 5: the reason energy weapons are used on the station and on starships is that the BiLPro weapons (Binary Liquid Propellant, firearms with extremely powerful liquid propellant that is partly stored in the round and partly in the gun in the form of two inert liquids) issued to Earthforce infantry for planetside combat are too powerful and have an unfortunate tendency to rupture the weaker sections of the hull and cause collateral damage with the ricochet from hitting the stronger parts of the hull (the ricochet will always happen with more conventional and less powerful firearms), whereas handheld energy weapons don't do either. The Expanded Universe explains that Earthforce is still using BiLPro as small arms for planetside combat as well as for artillery and tank guns, even if gauss cannons are starting to take over as tank guns. It's also shown that, in a literal example of this trope, attacking a planet with lasers and particle weapons is acceptable, but throwing rocks at it is a war crime due the greater devastation and the long-term effects. The game Babylon 5 Wars has the Attarn, a race whose hat is exactly this: they originally armed their starships with large-scale BiLPro weapons because, being almost identical to normal firearms, they were faster and cheaper to develop than lasers and plasma weapons, but kept and continued developing them after their first interstellar war proved their superiority over the (admittedly primitive) laser, plasma and particle weapons of the Skand. Their largest ships are a tough foe even for Earthforce and Narn ships of similar size, and in their war with the Gromenote a minor railgun-using race of the League of Non-Aligned Worlds that thought they could bully the primitive Attarn into a horrible trading agreement while the League was distracted by the Earth Civil War. They control a similar number of planets to the Attarn they quickly overwhelmed them before the intervention of the Hurrnote another minor League race, armed with plasma and particle weapons. Similar number of planets to with the Attarn managed to fight them to a standstill. Also subverted: BiLPro weapons aside, the Attarn are a technologically advanced race, whose ships are equipped with indigenously-developed Artificial Gravity (something Earth and Narn got only at the end of the Earth Civil War, and even then with technological help from the Interstellar Alliance and, for Earth, decades of study of alien technologies), armour comparable to the ludicrously-armoured Earthforce ships and sensors extremely superior to what the Grome and Hurr had, meaning their ships could survive more punishment than their opponents, hit them at longer ranges and sneak over six hundred fighters and attack bombers in the middle of the Grome fleet assembled over their homeworld (the opening strike of the war). |
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Space 1889 averts this trope or possibly even inverts it because in fictional Mars, the Europeans superior technology is even more effective than in historical colonial areas. Europeans use their superior technology just as effectively against Martians as against, say black Africans. Martian terrain does not lend itself to effective guerilla warfare nor do the Europeans have much trouble with Martian diseases the way they are subject to tropical diseases on Earth. It is the cost of transport to Mars and the lack of resources needed for European-style warfare (particularly coal or some other burnable fuel for the steam engines and metal for casings) that is slowing European conquest and colonization. | |
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In City of Heroes, your character may have powered armour, a Healing Factor, or control over gravity itself, but nothing will save you from the Knives of Artemis, whose main weapons are crossbows and caltrops. Then again, your Badass Normal hero can take out killer robots, alien warriors, super soldiers, evil wizards, rogue superheroes, cybernetic street gangs… | |
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In the Dexter's Laboratory Dial M For Monkey segment "Huntor", Monkey defeats Huntor by smashing his weapons with rocks and trapping him like a tiger using a hole. | |
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In an Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers comic, a gang of crooks turns up wearing laser-reflective armour that renders the Rangers' weapons ineffective. A Jerkass Bounty Hunter puts them down with regular bullets from a primitive firearm. Amusingly, the Rangers then arrest him for the use of illegal weaponry. | |
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And in another way too literal approach, Short Circuit's Number Five successfully blocks another S.A.I.N.T. robot's tank-busting pulse laser with a big rock.note The rock does heat up and break from repeated hits, and a bit of Fridge Logic does imply that the laser has variable power settings, as Number 5 is able to shoot off a belt buckle and melt shoes without harming their wearer. So it goes to assume that the robot in question was using a low setting at the time, rather than the setting that can blow up a tank with 1 shot. | |
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During her time on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Dr. Katherine Pulaski shows herself to be a believer in a peaceful variety of this trope — using low-tech medical technologies such as splints and chicken soup in place of the usual hyper-advanced Star Trek medical technology when necessary. In one Expanded Universe novel, the villain's headquarters was shielded against every type of technology-based weaponry imaginable, but not physical objects. So Worf replicated himself a catapult and spent the afternoon smashing a hole in the wall. |
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